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[Brass_Buckles]

I... had a couple posts quoted but I have no idea what I was going to say.

 

I can say this:  Mortal to ancient elves likely meant "not gods," since elves were ageless and evidently also disease-free.  They could die, though.  Murder, accident, and uthenera could kill them.  Felassan in Masked Empire says that the elves who entered uthenera were tended to for a set amount of time, but if after that time they couldn't sustain themselves, they died.  Those who survived might eventually wake and become guides and leaders to the People.  So in theory, those who came out of uthenera might not be seen as mortal by other elves--they might be viewed as having risen from death in fact.  And maybe they did, because uthenera seems to be a deathlike state. Masked Empire describes beds, but we see tombs in The Descent where we are told that the people within them might still be alive.  Of course... those might also be prisons, rather than beds.  We don't know.

 

So to the ageless, as others pointed out, "unkillable" is probably the definition of "immortal."  Everyone not an evanuris might be mortal, but maybe those who survive uthenera are also immortal.  I can't say without further info.

 

As for the idea about forgetting... it's interesting.  Even Solas tells a story about a spirit who has been forgotten and lost its identity.  It's pretty much doomed to die because no one knows it anymore, even though it was once common.  Considering the role that will and belief have where spirits, elves, and Thedas in general are concerned, forgetting someone might really be a death sentence.  Similarly, as the Avvar point out, belief could maybe create something where nothing was before.  The Chant of Light could theoretically have created a Maker-like being (yes I know we aren't going to ever be told whether this is true or not directly, but bear with me) even if there were not previously a Maker.  In that regard, too, faith in the Evanuris as gods might have caused them to become more powerful and more godlike, though it's not clear if will and belief can work in such a way as to make an individual more powerful.

[Garnet]

hehe.. I was at a party recently, wearing my Solas shirt, and was in a group talking about Bioware games and someone said they didn't like him. They were so surprised that I said "Oh! I understand! He can be an ass! What didn't you like about him?" instead of being all defensive about it.   I don't think many other fan groups are this understanding of their beloved character's flaws.

[FernRain]

I just found a codex that talks about uthenera and mortality. It claims their spirits' deteriorate:

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To the ancient elves who existed during the time of Arlathan, uthenera was an act of reverence. Elves did not age. They were not immortal, but they did not suffer from deterioration of mind or body. They suffered only from a deterioration of the spirit.

It did not happen often, but the oldest of the elves were said to reach a point where they became weary of life. Memories became too much to bear, and rather than fade into complacency, they voluntarily stood aside to let newer generations guide their people.

Uthenera means "the long sleep," in which the elder would retire to a chamber that was one part bed and one part tomb. To great ceremony from all the extended family, the elder would succumb to a slumber from which they would not wake for centuries, and often never. In time, the body would deteriorate and the elder would die in truth. All the while, family would continue to visit the chamber to pay respect to one who made such a great sacrifice.

With the arrival of humans and the quickening of elven blood that ensued, the practice of uthenera began to fade. When Arlathan fell, it ceased forever.

--From What Has Passed, by Hassandriel, Lord of Halamshiral, 2:7 Glory

So that's in favor of the 'forgetting yourself leads to corruption' idea.

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

It would be prudent for you to prove it. You are making claims after all. That you "remember it" means little, since you do have a bit of a penchant to overreact. I recall quite a few times when people were perfectly civil with you, either when disagreeing with you or calling you out on some things, and you treated it as a grave insult or 'aggressive' attack.

Hanako's not wrong. I do remember those kinds of statements being used here when the arguments about his character dragged on a bit too long. This *is* a fan thread, afterall, so its understandable to invoke that fact when people won't let an argument whose end result is "I still don't like him and you're not changing my mind." die. People are stubborn, tempers fray, and ppl snip. It happens. /shrug

[CapricornSun]

Art post.

 

'Dance lessons with dad' by nipuni. Papa Solas and his little girl.

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Source: http://nipuni.tumblr...-take-them-very

 

 

Fen'Harel kissing Lavellan. Ooooh...

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Source: http://rivvolt.tumbl...-ilyanafenharel

 

 

Close up:

 

 

Lovely sketch of Solas and Lavellan.

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Source: http://destinyaposta...gs-or-something

 

 

'Let's Do Some Art' by lilium-snow.

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Source: http://lilium-snow.t...g-it-colours-of

 

 

Tender and sad Solavellan art by osatokun. (So happy to see her drawing Solavellan again.)

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Source: http://osatokun.tumb...the-waters-with

 

 

“Solas! Var lath vir suledin!”

“I wish it could vhenan…”

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Source: http://sketchesthats...i-wish-it-could

 

 

Adorable chibi Trespasser Solas.

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Source: http://nachio.tumblr...st/144524856765

 

[Addictress]

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A WIP evolving. So excited hnnngggg

*yes I am still learning about basic shapes and lines 

*still so hot tho imo

[Addictress]

I love reading all the lore analyses you all write here. I have nothing to contribute. At a certain point I wonder if even the Bioware writers themselves go as deep and see all the connections the BSNers do. Seriously.

[Addictress]

There was a time the Cullen and Solas threads were close, but with the 500+ lead here, it is now apparent the Cullen thread will NEVER beat the Solas thread.

Hhhaha!!! Yesss

[mireisen]

I'm guilty for analyzing all the interactions here too.

 

Especially when this romance has a lot of unsaid moments. Solas has a lot of quiet ruminations that are clearly shown on his face, even if his words are completely different. There are a lot of subtleties in their body language and it keeps it really interesting:

 

 

I read this as Lavellan showing her aggressive passion in changing the world, and of course his "maybe I can be hopeful" smile. Whoever animated this scene did a fantastic job.

[TheyCallMeBunny]

 

What other organ do you think we have to give Weekes for Solas-heavy DA4? I mean, Solas already stole our hearts so it's not like we can offer him that... 

[Elessara]

Well, that's good.

Some people got rather defensive when I brought up the matter of the vallaslin. Perhaps they thought I condemned the choice of removing it. I didn't.

 

Hmm.  Sorry about that, I honestly wasn't being defensive (if I'm one of those people you thought were).  If anything I'm disappointed that the choice isn't represented in the Keep because that means it really won't have any affect going forward.  i'd rather it did, tbh.

[Elessara]

Hanako's not wrong. I do remember those kinds of statements being used here when the arguments about his character dragged on a bit too long. This *is* a fan thread, afterall, so its understandable to invoke that fact when people won't let an argument whose end result is "I still don't like him and you're not changing my mind." die. People are stubborn, tempers fray, and ppl snip. It happens. /shrug

 

Being snippy is one thing and does happen.  Being yelled out of the thread is quite different.  I still don't recall anyone being yelled out of the thread.  And I would remember, my memory is like a steel trap.  A rusty, crumbling steel trap that couldn't hold a baby chipmunk ... but still, a steel trap!  Wait, what were we talking about again?

[Sah291]

The Void seems to make people forget. What is the Void? Well the blight is likely there, since blight ate at Andruil's lands because she visited there. The Empty Ones (Nevarran cult) believed the blight came from the Void. In the story about Elgar'nan and the sun, the earth created the Void after the 'sun' (the Fade?) overwhelmed the earth and destroyed its creations; we know the blight affects lyrium so the Void could be an enormous chamber like the wellspring that has been 'forgotten' and where they sent the Forgotten Ones to exile.

There are potential hints about the Void in the flavor text of Abyssal Peach: Not so much filtered as dredged. Should be kept in a cold, dark place. Also locked. Forgotten as well, if one is wise. We know that coldness makes red lyrium more angry though (according to Cole). Lastly, Eleni Zinovia (the statue that speaks prophecies) says, "The prison is breached. I see the encroaching darkness. The.. the shadow will consume all. A hunger, a cage, a yawning void". She's got red and black magic emanating from her while she speaks.. It could very well be a blighted prison for the Forgotten Ones. But then Solas says after Wisdom dies, "there are stirrings of energy in the void, someday something new may grow there". So what on Thedas.. I don't know .

I think, they seem to use the word "Abyss" and "Void" interchangeably a lot but I'm not sure if they are necessarily meant to be the same place? The term "Abyss" usually refers to an underworld or hell. So this was the raw fade, where the Inquisitor goes during Here Lies the Abyss, and where his/her memories were stolen and being stored. There are demons there with many eyes, like the spider Nightmare demon we see. But I think, just like the fade is like a fictionalized astral plane, and a place of pure spirit/thought and dreams, the Void is similarly, a corresponding place of awakeness and emptiness, and nothingness. So this is the reason it consumes light, can erase a person's memory or ego, but new things may grow out of it one day.

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

Hmm.  Sorry about that, I honestly wasn't being defensive (if I'm one of those people you thought were).  If anything I'm disappointed that the choice isn't represented in the Keep because that means it really won't have any affect going forward.  i'd rather it did, tbh.

I keep hoping for a Keep update that includes the question of whether you kept your vallaslin or not, if you romanced him. If we end up remaking the inquisitor in DA4 for a reappearance of some sort, I hope this doesn't indicate a *complete* oversight and that they at least provide the no vallaslin option in the CC. Mine still has her's, mind you, but I know a lot of romanced Lavellans don't.

[midnight tea]

Hanako's not wrong. I do remember those kinds of statements being used here when the arguments about his character dragged on a bit too long. This *is* a fan thread, afterall, so its understandable to invoke that fact when people won't let an argument whose end result is "I still don't like him and you're not changing my mind." die. People are stubborn, tempers fray, and ppl snip. It happens. /shrug

 

Again, evidence is nice. At best I can remember this: http://forum.bioware...tfort/page-4594

 

You'll notice a distinct lack of "aggressively being told this is not a place for people disliking Solas". I wouldn't categorize telling someone that the thread is mostly filled with people who like Solas and people not wasting much time on declarations of hatred, or that people are cool with those who dislike Solas so long as they remain respectful as either stubborn or even defensive, merely sensible and by all means polite and civil. It's basically what Uirebhiril stated just very recently.

[midnight tea]

I think, they seem to use the word "Abyss" and "Void" interchangeably a lot but I'm not sure if they are necessarily meant to be the same place? The term "Abyss" usually refers to an underworld or hell. So this was the raw fade, where the Inquisitor goes during Here Lies the Abyss, and where his/her memories were stolen and being stored. There are demons there with many eyes, like the spider Nightmare demon we see. But I think, just like the fade is like a fictionalized astral plane, and a place of pure spirit/thought and dreams, the Void is similarly, a corresponding place of awakeness and emptiness, and nothingness. So this is the reason it consumes light, can erase a person's memory or ego, but new things may grow out of it one day.

 

Maybe it's like Hades and Tartarus? Some use it as if it's interchangeable, but the truth is Tartarus is part of Hades - and it would probably be something like equivalent of the Void?

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

Again, evidence is nice. At best I can remember this: http://forum.bioware...tfort/page-4594

 

You'll notice a distinct lack of "aggressively being told this is not a place for people disliking Solas". I wouldn't categorize telling someone that the thread is mostly filled with people who like Solas and people not wasting much time on declarations of hatred, or that people are cool with those who dislike Solas so long as they remain respectful as either stubborn or even defensive, merely sensible and by all means polite and civil. It's basically what Uirebhiril stated just very recently.

The incidents I recall are months old and I am not going through pages of posts just to prove my memory and impressions to you. Hanako is sometimes pushy about Solas and their dislike of him and you are sometimes pushy back, among others. Hell, *I* might have been the one to say "please take the hate out of the fan thread", for all I know. I know I certainly think it sometimes when I get bored or tired of an argument. Is that "yelling" someone out of the thread? No. Its also not "eeveryone is welcome here even if they hate solas kumbiyah", either. You could just be the bigger person here, let Hanako have her point about how there was an occaision where s/he felt shunned for their opinion here, state your opinion that they maybe deserved it, and leave it at that. Demanding someone provide evidence to back up a feeling in an argument that doesn't even actually matter is annoying. You can choose this particular hill to die on if you wish, but I'm tired of it and will be ignoring this conversation from now on.

 

 

As for the void, can I have a link to the "abyssal peach" codex or note or whatever, please? I haven't come across that. One of the bottles of Thedas, maybe?

There are potential hints about the Void in the flavor text of Abyssal Peach: Not so much filtered as dredged. Should be kept in a cold, dark place. Also locked. Forgotten as well, if one is wise. We know that coldness makes red lyrium more angry though (according to Cole). Lastly, Eleni Zinovia (the statue that speaks prophecies) says, "The prison is breached. I see the encroaching darkness. The.. the shadow will consume all. A hunger, a cage, a yawning void". She's got red and black magic emanating from her while she speaks.. It could very well be a blighted prison for the Forgotten Ones. But then Solas says after Wisdom dies, "there are stirrings of energy in the void, someday something new may grow there". So what on Thedas.. I don't know  .

 

[midnight tea]

Well, that's good.

Some people got rather defensive when I brought up the matter of the vallaslin. Perhaps they thought I condemned the choice of removing it. I didn't.

 

In what way people became defensive? We weren't even discussing the matter in the context of 'removing vallaslin or not?' - we were talking about what vallaslin removal means not just to Lavellan, but to the Dalish. People simply pointed out that - on top of everything else - vallaslin removal would be a relatively small deal, gave reasons for it and quoted evidence, and pretty much left it at that. 

 

Like... I'm not really sure what's the deal here? People discussed vallaslin removal and what it may mean to Lavellan or Dalish to death on this thread already and have done so in similar tone, and I don't recall anyone reacting like that for having a perfectly normal, civil discourse...

 

 

The incidents I recall are months old and I am not going through pages of posts just to prove my memory and impressions to you. Hanako is sometimes pushy about Solas and their dislike of him and you are sometimes pushy back, among others. Hell, *I* might have been the one to say "please take the hate out of the fan thread", for all I know. I know I certainly think it sometimes when I get bored or tired of an argument. Is that "yelling" someone out of the thread? No. Its also not "eeveryone is welcome here even if they hate solas kumbiyah", either. You could just be the bigger person here, let Hanako have her point about how there was an occaision where s/he felt shunned for their opinion here, state your opinion that they maybe deserved it, and leave it at that. Demanding someone provide evidence to back up a feeling in an argument that doesn't even actually matter is annoying. You can choose this particular hill to die on if you wish, but I'm tired of it and will be ignoring this conversation from now on.

 

I'm only going to add one thing to this - if the argument was "we can become snippy or snarky at people who come just here to hate Solas" I'd agree. But the argument wasn't that. Saying "please take the hate out of the thread" isn't remotely close to "if you dislike Solas then GTFO", nor it is shouting people out of the thread, as you've pointed out already.

 

I demanded evidence, because the accusation was pretty big all things considered. I know it's relatively hard to be one to dislike a character in a thread mostly filled with people who like him, but it's a matter far removed from making it seem as if anyone who dislikes Solas is unwelcome here to the point that they're being yelled out of the thread.

[dawnstone]

Good morning, Solas thread!

 

 

Oh, well then. XDD

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

Well Solas is a very intelligent person but he's stupid on an emotional level, his EQ is very low and that's sad.

[Silenceatemycat]

Does anyone here believe that Solas will have a chance at a "happy" ending? If there was ever a character that deserved one after going through so much it would be him, so I'm definitely gunning for a good ending for him, especially with a romanced Quizzy. I'm practically obsessed with this character and want him to be saved. Weekes is probably going to be drinking a mug of my tears over breakfast if Solas meets a tragic end. Hell, I'll mail a thermos full to him.

 

I'll probably start posting a few of my Solas theories here shortly, mainly just to get them out of my brain and get feedback on them. If they're already something mentioned, please pardon me. Just started posting recently here.

[midnight tea]

Does anyone here believe that Solas will have a chance at a "happy" ending? If there was ever a character that deserved one after going through so much it would be him, so I'm definitely gunning for a good ending for him, especially with a romanced Quizzy. I'm practically obsessed with this character and want him to be saved. Weekes is probably going to be drinking a mug of my tears over breakfast if Solas meets a tragic end. Hell, I'll mail a thermos full to him.

 

I'll probably start posting a few of my Solas theories here shortly, mainly just to get them out of my brain and get feedback on them. If they're already something mentioned, please pardon me. Just started posting recently here.

 

Hard to say at this point. TBH I'm mostly dreading an ending that merely looks happy, but if you analyze it it's a cesspool of sadness and tragedy 

Like, you know, being granted a wish by particularly cunning and fickle god...

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

Does anyone here believe that Solas will have a chance at a "happy" ending? If there was ever a character that deserved one after going through so much it would be him, so I'm definitely gunning for a good ending for him, especially with a romanced Quizzy. I'm practically obsessed with this character and want him to be saved. Weekes is probably going to be drinking a mug of my tears over breakfast if Solas meets a tragic end. Hell, I'll mail a thermos full to him.

I'll probably start posting a few of my Solas theories here shortly, mainly just to get them out of my brain and get feedback on them. If they're already something mentioned, please pardon me. Just started posting recently here.

IDK what they were thinking of writing Solas as a heartless intellectual and cold, I would've done it different with a romance scene by Solas telling her to come with him do they could be together. But nooooo!!! It's like they can't come up with nothing original. *sighs*

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

Hard to say at this point. TBH I'm mostly dreading an ending that merely looks happy, but if you analyze it it's a cesspool of sadness and tragedy 

Like, you know, being granted a wish by particularly cunning and fickle god...

Yeah. We know from tweet conversations Weekes is aware of the play "The Monkey's Paw", so... 

[midnight tea]

We know from tweet conversations Weekes is aware of the play "The Monkey's Paw", so... 

 

That's what I'm afraid of   From what he's done already I know that he's able to craft stuff that can be creatively cruel