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[AlleluiaElizabeth]

I do hope for a relatively happy ending to be an option, though. Like, he lives, gets to let go of his guilt over what he deems are past mistakes, gets to atone/begin to atone for his actual mistakes, and gets to be with his love. (If Kenshin Himura can do it, so can Solas.  ) I am invested in this character and I love a story where a person turns their life around. 

 

 

That's what I'm afraid of    From what he's done already I know that he's able to craft stuff that can be creatively cruel 

lol Where's a prayer circle gif when you need one?

[TheyCallMeBunny]

What's done is done; let's just move forward by agreeing that everyone is entitled to their opinion about Solas and that this thread is made better by the many different viewpoints offered here. If someone has an opinion you disagree with I would recommend simply ignoring it if there is reason to believe that a discussion will be fruitless.

 

As for the possible endings to Solas story arc, I'm guessing we will not be given just one ending - all companions in Dragon Age so far that I can think of have been given at least two different endings, so I'm assuming Solas is not an exception. My guess is we will not be given a completely happy ending, probably something more along the line of bittersweet (Weekes seems to love that).

 

Off topic, I apparently passed my first exam in economics! This was me when I read my result:

 

[Sah291]

Maybe it's like Hades and Tartarus? Some use it as if it's interchangeable, but the truth is Tartarus is part of Hades - and it would probably be something like equivalent of the Void?

Well that's the thing that confuses me, because using them interchangeablly they are sort of mixing western and eastern concepts.

The Abyss would be like Tartarus, but like you said, it's just a part of Hades. So I'm thinking this "raw" fade is still technically part of the fade, but makes up the lower layers or realms, close to the Void. There is still some light and energy there.

The Void would then be something more like the Tao, it's a constant, and it may be where the Black City is, which can be seen from any point in the center of the fade.

Like the Golden City is associated with the Maker and solar imagery in the lore, and with masculine principles, like gold, light, fire, electricity, dryness, warmth, etc....the The black city could be the corresponding polarity of that. Coldness, water, wetness, magnetism, etc. The void is often given feminine imagery, like that of an egg or womb, and personified as a female dragon, or spider.

[midnight tea]

I do hope for a relatively happy ending to be an option, though. Like, he lives, gets to let go of his guilt over what he deems are past mistakes, gets to atone/begin to atone for his actual mistakes, and gets to be with his love. (If Kenshin Himura can do it, so can Solas.  ) I am invested in this character and I love a story where a person turns their life around. 

 

 

lol Where's a prayer circle gif when you need one?

 

To be perfectly fair to Weekes he does also makes comments that sort of help people remain hopeful that it will not just end with bitter tears (though whether he's just doing that to later dash our hopes against the ham jagged rocks of despair is unknown )

 

Like... from my observations he appears to be a sap for "at the end of a dark tunnel there's light" sort of stories and seems to generally dislike tales that are bleak for bleakness' sake. Question is whether DA team as a whole shares this viewpoint, though I suppose he wouldn't accept the role of a Lead Writer for the franchise, if he was basically forced to write things he's not very fond of.

 

Eh, I suppose we'd have to wait and see. I'm certainly rooting for a good redemption story and a "happy/bittersweet" ending that...well, you know, remains sorta-kinda permanent. Because if we assume that Solas is NOT the last Big Bad of the overarching plot and it *may* turn out that he may stay to help and fight on the 'good side' against something sinister, what stops BW giving him a 'happy ending' at the end of DA4... only for DA5 or 6 to have a really downer ending in that regard?

[Shari'El]

Hard to say at this point. TBH I'm mostly dreading an ending that merely looks happy, but if you analyze it it's a cesspool of sadness and tragedy 

Like, you know, being granted a wish by particularly cunning and fickle god...

 

 

 

Ugh I just imagined dozen of scenarios

 

How can Solas still play my heart strings after all this time?!

[NightSymphony]

<snip>

 

Off topic, I apparently passed my first exam in economics! This was me when I read my result:

 

YAY!!  Congratulations!

[NightSymphony]

Gorgeous artwork of Solas and the Dread Wolf going through an Eluvian

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http://ahague.devian...eaves-609548320

[Sah291]

My thought on it is why offer the choice of a redemption scenario, if they aren't going to write one? Isn't that a massive chekhov's gun, and kind of bad writing? I guess that doesn't preclude them from writing a bittersweet "redemption equals death" scenario. But that has been used a lot already, so hopefully they will do something a little different. It probably won't be perfectly happy without losing or sacrificing something, though.

[midnight tea]

Well that's the thing that confuses me, because using them interchangeablly they are sort of mixing western and eastern concepts.

The Abyss would be like Tartarus, but like you said, it's just a part of Hades. So I'm thinking this "raw" fade is still technically part of the fade, but makes up the lower layers or realms, close to the Void. There is still some light and energy there.

The Void would then be something more like the Tao, it's a constant, and it may be where the Black City is, which can be seen from any point in the center of the fade.

Like the Golden City is associated with the Maker and solar imagery in the lore, and with masculine principles, like gold, light, fire, electricity, dryness, warmth, etc....the The black city could be the corresponding polarity of that. Coldness, water, wetness, magnetism, etc. The void is often given feminine imagery, like that of an egg or womb, and personified as a female dragon, or spider.

 

I sort of partially agree - though I'd say that when it comes to aspects or principles, that the distinction doesn't lie between "Fade" and the "Void", but "Fade" and "Earth".

 

Feminine attributes (lot and lots of caves and those are oftentimes associated with womb in many cultures), coldness, magnetism, water and wetness are certainly something associated with Titans/Stone - the lyrium has cold, blue light, the last level in Descent is certainly designed to look cold and still, and the Titans certainly have been linked with water, not just earth (as elements). The oceans have been called the tears of the land/Earth in a codex describing Elgar'nan's legend and we see water surrounding where we know Titans lie both in Descent and Trespasser.

(I'd also like to point out that the strange blue-ish waters from Descent apparently reach the surface, like in case of Lyrium Falls on Storm Coast - and we know that Storm Coast lies right above the Titan. Another curious tidbit - we can extrapolate where the Titans apparently lie because their presence appears to be directly correlated with the occurrence of basalt columns in the environment. The Storm Coast is absolutely rife with them, but they're not the only spot where they appear. The Hinterlands have their share too, most notably around the entrance to Vallamar... where we know we can reach a spot Red Lyrium is mined. There are also some basalt columns in Crestwood, near the exit from mines that lead from dwarven ruins).

 

Plus, you know... the Stone is oftentimes referred to as "she".

 

Anyway... we do know from DAO codex on Gangue Shade (http://dragonage.wik...he_Gangue_Shade) that there's an "impurity" in the Stone. What it is we can't tell for sure now - perhaps it's something that we can directly link to the Blight? But if the "Blight" is a sort of impurity, and one that is more related to Earth than Fade, then perhaps the Void is sort of the same thing, only on the other side?

I mean, if we assume that basically the Earth and the Fade are two sides of the same coin, then it'd make sense that both realms had a similar sort of "impurity". What that "impurity" is is an unknown thing - perhaps it's not just something "bad" that accumulated overtime, but something primal that predates the Earth/Stone and Fade/Sun, or is a leftover from darker times, the equivalent to Greek "Chaos"?

 

Cole does mention that Solas "broke the dreams to stop old dreams" from waking - and we know that Andruil "shouted things that should be forgotten", so I'd say that "a dark/unfriendly force that may be unhappy with the world as it is now" may or may not be a possible direction they're heading towards?

 

It also reminds me of another mythology, namely Mesopotamian origin myth with Apsu and Tiamat. Apsu was unhappy with how loud their children were, so he plotted against them, only to be killed - Tiamat retaliated, Marduk killed her and created the world out of her parts.

I'm obviously not looking for a perfect equivalent here, but something tells me that DA may have looked for inspiration in those myths too. I'm specifically eyeing a tendency for DA to describe life and magic as "singing" with suspicion... and I sort of wonder if that "singing" may not be too "loud" for some primal forces. I also find it curious that Dumat (that sounds suspiciously close to Tiamat) was a chief deity in Tevinter and one arguably responsible for bringing the Blight upon Veiled world. And he's the god of Silence...

[Solas]

Interesting how folk respond to aspects of the writing in different ways.  I loved Solas' Trespasser countenance (quite glacial and austere, formal, "other")... for me it really showed where he's at mentally. Trying to disconnect himself not just from Lavellan (cause this isn't just about Lavellan and the love between them) and the friends he made in the Inquisition but from modern peoples and the world of Today and even himself... all so that he can bear to go through with what he thinks he has to do. He was trying to put up barriers but he was so full of melancholy, he was trying to play the part of the passionless intellectual but in his voice and on his face (the cinematic designers nailed that scene!) you could see his hurt and his regret and his guilt and his shame... just, it was so full of meaning and feeling, he didn't seem cold at all. It was all there beneath the surface and burling around between the lines, calm sea on the surface but currents roiling hot underneath.

 

I also found his refusal to allow Lavellan to join or help him very poignant.. that was in part out of caring for her.

[midnight tea]

My thought on it is why offer the choice of a redemption scenario, if they aren't going to write one? Isn't that a massive chekhov's gun, and kind of bad writing? I guess that doesn't preclude them from writing a bittersweet "redemption equals death" scenario. But that has been used a lot already, so hopefully they will do something a little different. It probably won't be perfectly happy without losing or sacrificing something, though.

 

Eh, losing or sacrificing something I sort of think is a given, no matter how "happy" scenario they could serve us - arguably on either side, because there's an imbalance in making one side struggle with the whole redemption thing and whether it's worth it or not, while offering those who just want to end him smooth sailing on automatic, with no moments to stop and thing whether it's actually a good thing.

 

I suppose we'd just have to wait and see... There's just no way of telling where they really want to take their story (or where they'd actually manage to take it), as much as we can speculate about it.

[Silvery]

I watched this video the other day and really enjoyed it so I figured I would share it here. I have never romanced Solas but I though this video was excellent and figured someone else here would enjoy it. She also has other really good vids too. 

 

As a spoiler warning this does have Trespasser dlc clips in it. 

 

[Shari'El]

Well that's the thing that confuses me, because using them interchangeablly they are sort of mixing western and eastern concepts.

The Abyss would be like Tartarus, but like you said, it's just a part of Hades. So I'm thinking this "raw" fade is still technically part of the fade, but makes up the lower layers or realms, close to the Void. There is still some light and energy there.

The Void would then be something more like the Tao, it's a constant, and it may be where the Black City is, which can be seen from any point in the center of the fade.

Like the Golden City is associated with the Maker and solar imagery in the lore, and with masculine principles, like gold, light, fire, electricity, dryness, warmth, etc....the The black city could be the corresponding polarity of that. Coldness, water, wetness, magnetism, etc. The void is often given feminine imagery, like that of an egg or womb, and personified as a female dragon, or spider.

 

If I recall correctly, the Chantry believes in the Void existing in all things (in the Fade, in the world, in people and beings), on one hand it sounds like limbo between the world & the Fade, on the other hand it exists in both so that's.. weird. It kind of sounds like 'gaps' in everything that exists.

I'm not sure if the Chantry sees the abyss as the Void, I think that when they speak about the abyss they mean the Fade?

 

Elves seem to indeed use the term interchangeably, and I think for them it's a physical place, under the ground.

I think that perhaps 'abyss' is what it is and the 'Void' is sort of contained within, or part of the 'abyss' (like the deepest part of it)

 

In the comics Aurelian Titus says "there are void places, gaps between the dreams" probably referring to the raw Fade. I believe he used the word 'void' just to describe said gaps and I don't think it says something about "the Void" or "the abyss".

 

I tend to go with the elven interpretation of the Void/abyss and imagine the world like this

Waking world (home of all creatures)

Void -> Abyss (Forgotten Ones), Titans, Thedas

 

-----

Veil

-----

 

Dream world (home of spirits)

[Raw] Fade, Golden/Black city (Evanuris)

 

Pre-Veil the waking world was affected by the Fade and (perhaps) by the Titans and vice versa, the Fade was always around but only truly visible for spirits (so it could only be truly explored by the elves while sleeping, when their spirits were free from the constraints of their bodies). There was balance between the Fade & the world that allowed physical structures to levitate but at the same time prevented fire from flowing like water.

Post-Veil that balance was ruined, the Veil went up, pushing the energy of Fade back, cutting people from the Fade (making it mages in the long run a lot more rare and making exploration of the Fade near impossible for most), making buildings fall from the sky.

 

My guess is that the Evanuri found a way to walk through the raw Fade (the same way Kieran did) and built a palace there, because the palace is the only inorganic thing in the Fade the spirits cannot change it and so it's always there, in the center of the Fade.

 

As far as I imagine the abyss I kind of think about a different version of the "hollow earth" hypothesis

 

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The fact that inside the titan you have sun and clouds makes it fit even more, I imagine something like Thedas up above, Titans below "pillars of the earth" if you will and in the middle the Void.

The story about Elgar'nan throwing the 'sun' into the abyss sits really well with me because of that XP

[Nimlowyn]

Does anyone here believe that Solas will have a chance at a "happy" ending? If there was ever a character that deserved one after going through so much it would be him, so I'm definitely gunning for a good ending for him, especially with a romanced Quizzy. I'm practically obsessed with this character and want him to be saved. Weekes is probably going to be drinking a mug of my tears over breakfast if Solas meets a tragic end. Hell, I'll mail a thermos full to him.

 

I'll probably start posting a few of my Solas theories here shortly, mainly just to get them out of my brain and get feedback on them. If they're already something mentioned, please pardon me. Just started posting recently here.

Back in September, Weekes wrote on Twitter "You know, one MAY take the romance as a hopeful one." https://twitter.com/...17318880632832  

I presume that if there is hope for the romance there is hope for Solas in general. So there's that. 

 

As for believing in his chance for a "happy" ending, well, I don't know. My feeling is that he is likely, at best, to have a bittersweet ending. He is wrapped up in too much complication, too much memory, too much pain. There might be some happiness in there somewhere, but I doubt his ending will be simple.  

[Sah291]

I sort of partially agree - though I'd say that when it comes to aspects or principles, I'd say that the distinction doesn't lie between "Fade" and the "Void", but "Fade" and "Earth".
 
Feminine attributes (lot and lots of caves and those are oftentimes associated with womb in many cultures), coldness, magnetism, water and wetness are certainly something associated with Titans/Stone - the lyrium has cold, blue light, the last level in Descent is certainly designed to look cold and still, and the Titans certainly have been linked with water, not just earth (as elements). The oceans have been called the tears of the land/Earth in a codex describing Elgar'nan's legend and we see water surrounding where we know Titans lie both in Descent and Trespasser.
(I'd also like to point out that the strange blue-ish waters from Descent apparently reach the surface, like in case of Lyrium Falls on Storm Coast - and we know that Storm Coast lies right above the Titan. Another curious tidbit - we can extrapolate where the Titans apparently lie because their presence appears to be directly correlated with the occurrence of basalt columns in the environment. The Storm Coast is absolutely rife with them, but they're not the only spot where they appear. The Hinterlands have their share too, most notably around the entrance to Vallamar... where we know we can reach a spot Red Lyrium is mined. There are also some basalt columns in Crestwood, near the exit from mines that lead from dwarven ruins).
 
Plus, you know... the Stone is oftentimes referred to as "she".
 
Anyway... we do know from DAO codex on Gangue Shade (http://dragonage.wik...he_Gangue_Shade) that there's an "impurity" in the Stone. What it is we can't tell for sure now - perhaps it's something that we can directly link to the Blight? But if the "Blight" is a sort of impurity, and one that is more related to Earth than Fade, then perhaps the Void is sort of the same thing, only on the other side?
I mean, if we assume that basically the Earth and the Fade are two sides of the same coin, then it'd make sense that both realms had a similar sort of "impurity". What that "impurity" is is an unknown thing - perhaps it's not just something "bad" that accumulated overtime, but something primal that predates the Earth/Stone and Fade/Sun, or is a leftover from darker times, the equivalent to Greek "Chaos"?
 
Cole does mention that Solas "broke the dreams to stop old dreams" from waking - and we know that Andruil "shouted things that should be forgotten", so I'd say that "a dark/unfriendly force that may be unhappy with the world as it is now" may or may not be a possible direction they're heading to?
 
It also reminds me of another mythology, namely Mesopotamian origin myth with Apsu and Tiamat. Apsu was unhappy with how loud their children were, so he plotted against them, only to be killed - Tiamat retaliated, Marduk killed her and created the world out of her parts.
I'm obviously not looking for a perfect equivalent here, but something tells me that DA may have looked for inspiration in those myths too. I'm especially eyeing a tendency for DA to describe life and magic as "singing" with suspicion - and I sort of wonder if that "singing" may not be too "loud" for some primal forces. I also do find it curious that Dumat (that sounds suspiciously close to Tiamat) as a chief deity in Tevinter and one arguably responsible for bringing the Blight upon Veiled world. And he's the god of Silence...

Absolutely, earth is traditionally a feminine princple as well. I think of the classical four elements, it goes earth/water as feminine and fire/air as masculine, or in some cases air is neutral.

And with that we have the world tree reflecting this duality, usually with a bird up top, an eagle, and a dragon or serpent at the roots.

But this according to western traditions. In eastern traditions, those philosophies influenced by buddhism or taoism, there's a tendency to view the material and spirit reality as ultimately illusory, and I hadn't even realized I was making this kind of assumption. But that's immediately what I thought of when I saw the Dumat statues for the first time. He looks like a meditating Buddha and as the god of silence, he's teaching about the Void, and caused Cory to end up in the Black City (which he expected to be Golden). Since the Void can't be described or named, or spoken of with words because it is pre all conception and form...you must be silent to hear/see it.

Anyway, I think it's interesting because in classical mythology, as in DA, titans are associated with earth, the physical world, and responsible for holding up the world or sky. Or in other words holding the body or physical world together. So think of it this way. The earth has an iron rich core and magnetic field. That magnetic field is responsible for keeping the atmosphere in place and protecting the earth from harsh radiation and solar winds.

As an analogy to the Veil, it could be acting as a shield. Yeah, I'm on board with the Veil being made with titan magic theory.

[FernRain]

As for the void, can I have a link to the "abyssal peach" codex or note or whatever, please? I haven't come across that. One of the bottles of Thedas, maybe?

 

It is indeed one of the bottles of Thedas.

 

Golden Scythe 4:90 Black also has a curious description..

 

This battlefield spirit maintains a chill even in direct sunlight, which it appears to absorb. Optimal serving is by the drop. Contact with exposed flesh is discouraged, but likely inevitable.

 

It reminds me of the blight.

 

Yeah. We know from tweet conversations Weekes is aware of the play "The Monkey's Paw", so... 

 

The what? What's that?

 

 

 

Ugh I just imagined dozen of scenarios

 

How can Solas still play my heart strings after all this time?!

 

Don't you dare. Not for a second! Where's Cole when we need him? We must have hope lethallan.

 

[mireisen]

Back in September, Weekes wrote on Twitter "You know, one MAY take the romance as a hopeful one." https://twitter.com/...17318880632832 

I presume that if there is hope for the romance there is hope for Solas in general. So there's that. 

 

As for believing in his chance for a "happy" ending, well, I don't know. My feeling is that he is likely, at best, to have a bittersweet ending. He is wrapped up in too much complication, too much memory, too much pain. There might be some happiness in there somewhere, but I doubt his ending will be simple.  

 

I think there'll be redemption. Accepting past transgressions is part of growing better, letting go, and moving on. This is a very important lesson to learn in life. For all Solas is supposed to represent wisdom I find it ironic.

 

I lost a friend when he barely turned 28 and was an only child with no children of his own. We were all secretly hoping that his widow was pregnant, because at least a piece of him would move on. It was a romantic notion, bittersweet as it was.

 

But I sort of see that happening with Solas, honestly, seeing that Lavellan is the only romantic option for him. I find that pretty curious.

[Sah291]

If I recall correctly, the Chantry believes in the Void existing in all things (in the Fade, in the world, in people and beings), on one hand it sounds like limbo between the world & the Fade, on the other hand it exists in both so that's.. weird. It kind of sounds like 'gaps' in everything that exists.
I'm not sure if the Chantry sees the abyss as the Void, I think that when they speak about the abyss they mean the Fade?

Yeah, I'm guessing maybe they view the void as some kind of aether/ether that is a unifying principle, that everything emanates from and is ultimately contained within. I'm not sure.

[Nimlowyn]

I think there'll be redemption. Accepting past transgressions is part of growing better, letting go, and moving on. This is a very important lesson to learn in life. For all Solas is supposed to represent wisdom I find it ironic.

 

I lost a friend when he barely turned 28 and was an only child with no children of his own. We were all secretly hoping that his widow was pregnant, because at least a piece of him would move on. It was a romantic notion, bittersweet as it was.

 

But I sort of see that happening with Solas, honestly, seeing that Lavellan is the only romantic option for him. I find that pretty curious.

Firstly, I am sorry to hear about your friend. 

 

I agree, I think there will be some sort of redemption. I don't think it would make sense from a narrative standpoint to start that path in Trespasser and not see it fulfilled. What degree of happiness will be in the redemption arch, I'm not sure.

 

My ultimate hope for Solas is that he can attain some inner peace, that he does not have to walk in solitude forever like he thinks he does. I don't want to attach myself too strongly to particular outcomes, but these things are hard not to hope for. He's a person who ultimately wants the best for people and was trying to make the best out of a critical situation with no good options. He deserves it. 

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

The what? What's that?

 

The Monkey's Paw is a short story that's also been made a play. Its a cautionary tale about people getting what they wish for in ways they don't anticipate and a price they would have been better off not paying.

[FernRain]

I sort of partially agree - though I'd say that when it comes to aspects or principles, that the distinction doesn't lie between "Fade" and the "Void", but "Fade" and "Earth".

Feminine attributes (lot and lots of caves and those are oftentimes associated with womb in many cultures), coldness, magnetism, water and wetness are certainly something associated with Titans/Stone - the lyrium has cold, blue light, the last level in Descent is certainly designed to look cold and still, and the Titans certainly have been linked with water, not just earth (as elements). The oceans have been called the tears of the land/Earth in a codex describing Elgar'nan's legend and we see water surrounding where we know Titans lie both in Descent and Trespasser.
(I'd also like to point out that the strange blue-ish waters from Descent apparently reach the surface, like in case of Lyrium Falls on Storm Coast - and we know that Storm Coast lies right above the Titan. Another curious tidbit - we can extrapolate where the Titans apparently lie because their presence appears to be directly correlated with the occurrence of basalt columns in the environment. The Storm Coast is absolutely rife with them, but they're not the only spot where they appear. The Hinterlands have their share too, most notably around the entrance to Vallamar... where we know we can reach a spot Red Lyrium is mined. There are also some basalt columns in Crestwood, near the exit from mines that lead from dwarven ruins).

Plus, you know... the Stone is oftentimes referred to as "she".

Anyway... we do know from DAO codex on Gangue Shade (http://dragonage.wik...he_Gangue_Shade) that there's an "impurity" in the Stone. What it is we can't tell for sure now - perhaps it's something that we can directly link to the Blight? But if the "Blight" is a sort of impurity, and one that is more related to Earth than Fade, then perhaps the Void is sort of the same thing, only on the other side?

I mean, if we assume that basically the Earth and the Fade are two sides of the same coin, then it'd make sense that both realms had a similar sort of "impurity". What that "impurity" is is an unknown thing - perhaps it's not just something "bad" that accumulated overtime, but something primal that predates the Earth/Stone and Fade/Sun, or is a leftover from darker times, the equivalent to Greek "Chaos"?

Cole does mention that Solas "broke the dreams to stop old dreams" from waking - and we know that Andruil "shouted things that should be forgotten", so I'd say that "a dark/unfriendly force that may be unhappy with the world as it is now" may or may not be a possible direction they're heading towards?

It also reminds me of another mythology, namely Mesopotamian origin myth with Apsu and Tiamat. Apsu was unhappy with how loud their children were, so he plotted against them, only to be killed - Tiamat retaliated, Marduk killed her and created the world out of her parts.
I'm obviously not looking for a perfect equivalent here, but something tells me that DA may have looked for inspiration in those myths too. I'm specifically eyeing a tendency for DA to describe life and magic as "singing" with suspicion... and I sort of wonder if that "singing" may not be too "loud" for some primal forces. I also find it curious that Dumat (that sounds suspiciously close to Tiamat) was a chief deity in Tevinter and one arguably responsible for bringing the Blight upon Veiled world. And he's the god of Silence...

That is some good sleuthing Midnight! That would make the 'Old Gods were never created' idea more understandable. And why Solas freaked out about killing them. I don't think he seemed to know himself what would happen if they all died.

And Valta seemed to think the song was too loud . The lady got knocked out.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Again, evidence is nice. At best I can remember this: http://forum.bioware...tfort/page-4594

 

You'll notice a distinct lack of "aggressively being told this is not a place for people disliking Solas". I wouldn't categorize telling someone that the thread is mostly filled with people who like Solas and people not wasting much time on declarations of hatred, or that people are cool with those who dislike Solas so long as they remain respectful as either stubborn or even defensive, merely sensible and by all means polite and civil. It's basically what Uirebhiril stated just very recently.

You'll also notice that a mod had gone through some of the posts and edited or deleted them. 

I don't want a huge argument to come of this so I'm dropping it. Just pointing that out. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Off topic, I apparently passed my first exam in economics! This was me when I read my result:

 

Congratulations. 

 

Edit: Top, so here is Solas with long LotR-like hair: 

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http://40.media.tumb...cg83o1_1280.png

[mireisen]

BTW Are there memes at how bad Solas' planning is?

 

Bad Planner Solas needs to happen.

[FernRain]

The Monkey's Paw is a short story that's also been made a play. Its a cautionary tale about people getting what they wish for in ways they don't anticipate and a price they would have been better off not paying.

Ah I see. Like Xenon the antiquarian .