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[AlleluiaElizabeth]

Ah I see. Like Xenon the antiquarian .

Oh, right. He actually mentions a monkey's paw doesn't he? lol One more reason to only buy the schematics in that shady place. And Nothing Else. 

[Ellawynn]

 

Anyway... we do know from DAO codex on Gangue Shade (http://dragonage.wik...he_Gangue_Shade) that there's an "impurity" in the Stone. What it is we can't tell for sure now - perhaps it's something that we can directly link to the Blight? But if the "Blight" is a sort of impurity, and one that is more related to Earth than Fade, then perhaps the Void is sort of the same thing, only on the other side?

 

I think the impurity in the Stone is just... a regular impurity in the Stone, just as how Earth rock has impurities and imperfections. "Gangue" is actually just a generic mining term for the worthless rock you sometimes find mixed in with precious ore. Wiki link here. 

 

I'd say the end of that codex is almost definitely referring to the Blight and Darkspawn, even though the dwarves didn't seem to know about Red Lyrium at the time (or at least, Varric and his brother didn't, despite being well-known surface dwarves with contacts in Orzammar.) But I think the codex as a whole is just describing typical mining difficulties. (And how it relates to dwarven philosophy.)

 

Rest of the theory's neat, though.

[Uirebhiril]

You'll also notice that a mod had gone through some of the posts and edited or deleted them. 

I don't want a huge argument to come of this so I'm dropping it. Just pointing that out. 

 

I don't know about that. With as long as some of us have been around this thread, the most we have seen is mods removing posts that have a passably NSFW image in it and give out warnings for same.

 

I think there was one event where someone was banned for being rude? But the mods certainly haven't gone after posts that don't have boobies in them. And even then, only sporadically. Maybe they just didn't like the particular style of art on a given day.

[Uirebhiril]

BTW Are there memes at how bad Solas' planning is?

 

Bad Planner Solas needs to happen.

 

I don't know that he's necessarily a bad planner so much as things not going quite how he intended within the options, but a planner cover with Solas on it would be amusing as heck.

[FernRain]

And before I go to the Fade myself..

With the talk of dragons, old gods and the earth: Flemythal's daughter said the blood of dragons is the blood of the earth. Then the Forbidden Ones had a nice long discussion in the Fade with the Formless One and "much of the fabric of the world revealed. And thus the magic of blood was born".

I'm too tired to make the connection but I think there's something relevant there.

How do you two know what you do about mythology? It's very interesting to read.

Fade time! Now to find some Elvhen.. .

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

BTW Are there memes at how bad Solas' planning is?

 

Bad Planner Solas needs to happen.

When Solas plans alone, we get the Breach. When he plans with us, we close the Breach. I want a line at some point that expresses this sentiment to him to drive home the idea that he *really* should, at least once, try to work with us to help his people and fix the things he wants fixed. Right now, he's pursuing the best of bad options that he can see. If he'd just work with us, I'd bet anything we could come up with better options.

[midnight tea]

I think the impurity in the Stone is just... a regular impurity in the Stone, just as how Earth rock has impurities and imperfections. "Gangue" is actually just a generic mining term for the worthless rock you sometimes find mixed in with precious ore. Wiki link here. 

 

I'd say the end of that codex is almost definitely referring to the Blight and Darkspawn, even though the dwarves didn't seem to know about Red Lyrium at the time (or at least, Varric and his brother didn't, despite being well-known surface dwarves with contacts in Orzammar.) But I think the codex as a whole is just describing typical mining difficulties. (And how it relates to dwarven philosophy.)

 

Rest of the theory's neat, though.

 

I wouldn't take the codex so literally, especially that the comparison to cutting out waste and unstable rock is used as a metaphor in barely one sentence, while the rest of the codex goes about how both the Stone (I mean.. just because it's called the Stone doesn't mean it's a generic stone...) and the Gangue are living entities, that the gangue has its own influence, and that everybody has to face carving the worst of ourselves. It appears to be metaphysical on all accounts, and in fact seems to be pointing in direction that... well... darkness is in all of us, and exists on macro scale as well, which in universe where will and imagination are real physical forces (or can influence them and create things through forces that allow it) sounds especially dangerous and may or may not be the major source of woes of this particular realm.

 

It also sounds a lot like a theme we see in DA, where it's asked both from protagonists and companions to try and face and overcome the worst of ourselves - heck, it even bears thematic importance to possible future arc, at least on redemption route, since the protagonist is basically tasked with trying to save Solas from himself.

[Uirebhiril]

When Solas plans alone, we get the Breach. When he plans with us, we close the Breach. I want a line at some point that expresses this sentiment to him to drive home the idea that he *really* should, at least once, try to work with us to help his people and fix the things he wants fixed. Right now, he's pursuing the best of bad options that he can see. If he'd just work with us, I'd bet anything we could come up with better options.

 

That does make me wonder if he did try to solve the prior problems with others and got burned for it. Which is why he has gone to the opposite extreme and won't trust anyone to help now.

 

Though I have also wondered if what he's doing is a long game type of thing... essentially acting as he is, making the claims he is, but that's to throw off someone/something else from what he is really intending. Absolute manipulation of events to further the plan of what needs to be done while others are none the wiser. He's not shy about using others, even if he doesn't mean it in "evil" and malicious ways, so that would be... interesting. Get to endgame and everything you thought you knew was wrong. ...which is kind of the story of Dragon Age in a nutshell.

[midnight tea]

That does make me wonder if he did try to solve the prior problems with others and got burned for it. Which is why he has gone to the opposite extreme and won't trust anyone to help now.

 

Though I have also wondered if what he's doing is a long game type of thing... essentially acting as he is, making the claims he is, but that's to throw off someone/something else from what he is really intending. Absolute manipulation of events to further the plan of what needs to be done while others are none the wiser. He's not shy about using others, even if he doesn't mean it in "evil" and malicious ways, so that would be... interesting. Get to endgame and everything you thought you knew was wrong. ...which is kind of the story of Dragon Age in a nutshell.

 

My sentiments exactly. I don't know if this is what will happen at any capacity, but it definitely sounds intriguing, trickstery and generally pretty DragonAgey.

 

As for Solas being burned - I'd say that it's more than possible. The game spends a lot of time showing how he's struggling with trusting people again - he even explicitly tells us that it's an issue for him and at one point he mentions that "he learned not to trust his friends". Something broke his trust before, that is very apparent. IMO our task may be to try and help him re-learn that.

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

My sentiments exactly. I don't know if this is what will happen at any capacity, but it definitely sounds intriguing, trickstery and generally pretty DragonAgey.

 

As for Solas being burned - I'd say that it's more than possible. The game spends a lot of time showing how he's struggling with trusting people again - he even exlicitly tells us that it's an issue for him and at one point he mentions that "he learned not to trust his friends". Something broke his trust before, that is very apparent. IMO our task may be to try and help him re-learn that.

I think its fairly obvious the betrayal that's made him wary was the Evanuris turning on Mythal. He saw a woman he loved and respected betrayed by their comrades.

 

I think there's sufficient evidence that he was friends (or at least on friendly terms) with several of the Evanuris, as well. His statues being in prominent spots Dirthamen's lost temple and the fact that he chooses a grove with Ghilan'nain statues to take Lavellan implies connections to at least those two in the past, to me. Also, the "Watcher" statues being so near to Fen'Harel statues, especially in the Emerald Graves (like in Watcher's Reach). If the Watcher statue is Dirthamen (which I think is implied by a Dirthamen related codex being found on one of them somewhere?), that's significant. If its supposed to be Solas, then the fact that the same statue is backstabbed and bleeding in the Fade section the Kieran opens up is significant, too. 

[Ellawynn]

I wouldn't take the codex so literally, especially that the comparison to cutting out waste and unstable rock is used as a metaphor in barely one sentence, while the rest of the codex goes about how both the Stone (I mean.. just because it's called the Stone doesn't mean it's a generic stone...) and the Gangue are living entities, that the gangue has its own influence, and that everybody has to face carving the worst of ourselves. It appears to be metaphysical on all accounts, and in fact seems to be pointing in direction that... well... darkness is in all of us, and exists on macro scale as well, which in universe where will and imagination are real physical forces (or can influence them and create things through forces that allow it) sounds especially dangerous and may or may not be the major source of woes of this particular realm.

 

It also sounds a lot like a theme we see in DA, where it's asked both from protagonists and companions to try and face and overcome the worst of ourselves - heck, it even bears thematic importance to possible future arc, at least on redemption route, since the protagonist is basically tasked with trying to save Solas from himself.

 

That's what I meant with the "How it connects back to Dwarven philosophy" part, since the entry as whole bears resemblance to this proverbial stories people tell to teach life lessons. I'm just not convinced it's any major lore hint, or that "The Gangue Shade" is anything but a literal reference to waste rock and an oblique reference to imperfection in general.

 

Also - most stories deal with the characters overcoming, or at least succumbing, the worst of themselves. Internal conflict's a pretty universal theme.

[midnight tea]

I think its fairly obvious the betrayal that's made him wary was the Evanuris turning on Mythal. He saw a woman he loved and respected betrayed by their comrades.

 

I think there's sufficient evidence that he was friends (or at least on friendly terms) with several of the Evanuris, as well. His statues being in prominent spots Dirthamen's lost temple and the fact that he chooses a grove with Ghilan'nain statues to take Lavellan implies connections to at least those two in the past, to me. Also, the "Watcher" statues being so near to Fen'Harel statues, especially in the Emerald Graves (like in Watcher's Reach). If the Watcher statue is Dirthamen (which I think is implied by a Dirthamen related codex being found on one of them somewhere?), that's significant. If its supposed to be Solas, then the fact that the same statue is backstabbed and bleeding in the Fade section the Kieran opens up is significant, too. 

 

I don't think it's just that. I think he was betrayed when he realized the Evanuris turned into power-hungry rulers rather than an organization/government that protects people. In that regard he may be very much like Cassandra and her disappointment with the Chantry or the Seekers, only the betrayal seems to be even more acute.

 

I also have a feeling that Solas was disappointed with people in general after the Veil creation - heart-wrenching as creating the Veil had to be, with it pushing away the Fade and cutting most people's conscious connection with it and destroying at least one civilization, he might have hoped that the people would be better than almost immediately repeating the mistakes of Elvenhan, with conquest, power struggles and subjugation of entire groups of people. There's a codex or two (one of them I think we can find i raw fade) that mentions how people have 'chased away the wolf' that was their companion before, only to grow complacent and ignore the danger. While Solas himself tells us at one point that he grew tired of not being heeded. Vague as it may be, Solas's general lack of faith in people is palpable. He may want to trust them, but he may have got burned too many times.

[Sah291]

And before I go to the Fade myself..
With the talk of dragons, old gods and the earth: Flemythal's daughter said the blood of dragons is the blood of the earth. Then the Forbidden Ones had a nice long discussion in the Fade with the Formless One and "much of the fabric of the world revealed. And thus the magic of blood was born".
I'm too tired to make the connection but I think there's something relevant there.
How do you two know what you do about mythology? It's very interesting to read.
Fade time! Now to find some Elvhen.. .

I think you might be on to something with that connection. Maybe the taint is just a corrupted form of blood magic, after all. In terms of magic, each element, whether earth or water, has both a negative and positive polarity. There's a fifth classical element associated with blood. But you'll have to ask a dragon about that.

[CapricornSun]

Art post.

 

'Kiss him'. Gorgeous Solavellan art by needapotion. 

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Source: http://needapotion.t...-the-solavellan

 

 

A beautiful sketch of an alternate ending where, after the orb is shattered, Solas and Lavellan try to figure things out together.

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Source: http://theaturner.tu...harel-after-his

 

 

A cute little Solavellan WIP. 

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Source: http://banmu.tumblr....-중셉만-한다-완성이가-업다

 

 

Lovely Lavellan tarot card with the Dread Wolf in the background.

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Source: http://unwritten-fan...re-a-commission

 

 

Modern AU Lavellan and Solas. Oooh! 

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Source: http://fadetonguedon...the-hotel-again

 

 

The Dread Wolf with the orb.

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Source: http://etaedraws.tum...g-to-be-so-much

 

[NightSymphony]

And one more....

 

Solas about to kiss Lavellan's neck

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http://missbasha.dev...ellan-609771836

[Brass_Buckles]

Interesting how folk respond to aspects of the writing in different ways.  I loved Solas' Trespasser countenance (quite glacial and austere, formal, "other")... for me it really showed where he's at mentally. Trying to disconnect himself not just from Lavellan (cause this isn't just about Lavellan and the love between them) and the friends he made in the Inquisition but from modern peoples and the world of Today and even himself... all so that he can bear to go through with what he thinks he has to do. He was trying to put up barriers but he was so full of melancholy, he was trying to play the part of the passionless intellectual but in his voice and on his face (the cinematic designers nailed that scene!) you could see his hurt and his regret and his guilt and his shame... just, it was so full of meaning and feeling, he didn't seem cold at all. It was all there beneath the surface and burling around between the lines, calm sea on the surface but currents roiling hot underneath.

 

I also found his refusal to allow Lavellan to join or help him very poignant.. that was in part out of caring for her.

 

You know, he might not just "think" he has to do whatever it is he's up to.  Maybe there are valid reasons he really should, even if our characters should certainly be against him.  He's not doing this for the glory of the elves, and I doubt it's out of guilt for his actions (though his guilt certainly would lend a certain nuance to his actions).  Creating the Veil broke the world in a fundamental way.  While the world might not be ending as a result, Solas may have reasons other than the obvious for his actions.

 

In other words, I'm pretty sure we don't know Solas's complete motivation for his plans, just like we don't really know what it is he's going to do.  We assume he means to bring down the Veil, but "how" could be just as important as "what," in this case.  And we can't be certain that he still plans to do that, since he said that's what he would have done, if he'd had the orb.

 

That said, whatever his motivations are, that doesn't mean that his plans become good knowing the amount of damage they are likely to cause.  As I said in another thread, his actions might be justified, depending upon what he's doing precisely and why he's doing it.  But being justified doesn't necessarily mean an action is right or good, only that it is at least "not unacceptable."  Double negative intended--killing that many people isn't acceptable, but if the cost of NOT going through with his plan is the eventual end of the world or catastrophic harm to the currently existing people, then the price paid might be justified.  As for being right or not... willingly harming or killing the number of people Solas expects as casualties is still monstrous and, at least to me, morally repugnant, even if it will result in ultimately saving the world.  But it could be that Solas, seeing no other options, realizes no one else is going to volunteer for such a horrible task.

 

Hm.  Other thoughts...

 

I still think Mythal/Flemeth wants Solas's plan to go through.  I know there was a quote from her VA that suggested otherwise.  However, weren't we informed somewhere that she had nurtured that power that she had for Solas all this time, knowing or suspecting what he would do?  And has she not been seeking to preserve various bits and snippets of magic throughout the years?

 

I'm thinking that she's still planning revenge on whoever it was who betrayed her--and perhaps combining that with vengeance against whoever betrayed Flemeth.  It's interesting in the case of Flemeth, though, because it would suggest that Flemeth's betrayer might still be alive... or that she's out to do something to said betrayer's bloodline.  In Mythal's case, we don't know who the remnant population might be, or who precisely tried to murder her, or why other than they seemed to be grasping for power.  Mythal's murderers were likened to the Venatori.  Venatori are fanatics worshiping a would-be god.  Maybe Mythal was murdered around the time the Evanuris began proclaiming themselves gods... or maybe she was murdered by the followers of a person who intended to set him/herself up on equal footing with the Evanuris.

 

And yet another thought, regarding the Blight and dragons.  Solas freaks out about the Archdemons being killed... and they sing to the Blight and draw it to them.  Or maybe they just sing and the Blight seeks them out.  That seems more likely than wanting to be blighted and trade one prison for another.  I've started to think that maybe the singing etc is intentional, but the attraction of darkspawn is not.  The Old Gods want free--they could be spirits trapped within dragons, or maybe some kind of Super Dragon (we really don't know what they are still).  They are imprisoned, ostensibly.  I know some people believe that they are the Evanuris.  That could be true, but I don't think it is.  What I believe is that they could be, due to dragons' inherent resistance to Blight, intended to lock the Blight out of the world somehow.  If that's the case, Solas might have had something to do with it.  And it might either be part of his method for creating the Veil, or it may have inspired the Veil.  It also means that the plan failed miserably because now the Blight targets the dragons.  If all the dragons are blighted and/or killed, then the Blight, whatever it is, wherever it originates, will no longer be locked away.

 

... But that's just a wild guess.  And my theories (other than elves being spirits originally who somehow became flesh) are typically wrong.  So take it with a grain of salt?

[Uirebhiril]

You know, he might not just "think" he has to do whatever it is he's up to.  Maybe there are valid reasons he really should, even if our characters should certainly be against him.  He's not doing this for the glory of the elves, and I doubt it's out of guilt for his actions (though his guilt certainly would lend a certain nuance to his actions).  Creating the Veil broke the world in a fundamental way.  While the world might not be ending as a result, Solas may have reasons other than the obvious for his actions.

 

 

That's one thing I wish people would realize every time they say Solas intends to destroy the world or break the fundamental reality of how it works. He already inadvertently did that and, at least from what we know, seeks to reverse that mistake. It's not to say the cultures and lives that exist now are any less valid or deserving of their existence, but they are already living in a sundered world. It's just too bad putting it to rights will cause destruction for those people.

 

Not saying that makes it all right, naturally. But assuming the decision is to cause chaos now to save the world at all, or ignore it and let everyone, everywhere, ever, cease to exist... where does one's responsibility and morality lie in that? Tough decision. Especially knowing that no matter what way you choose, you'll have to live with it, and neither are a good option.

[ladyiolanthe]

Though I'm not sure that Solas feels he has to live with his decision, since he talks about the dinan'shiral.  

[FernRain]

Oh, right. He actually mentions a monkey's paw doesn't he? lol One more reason to only buy the schematics in that shady place. And Nothing Else. 

 

I didn't know that either .

 

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I still think Mythal/Flemeth wants Solas's plan to go through.  I know there was a quote from her VA that suggested otherwise.  However, weren't we informed somewhere that she had nurtured that power that she had for Solas all this time, knowing or suspecting what he would do?  And has she not been seeking to preserve various bits and snippets of magic throughout the years?

 

I'm thinking that she's still planning revenge on whoever it was who betrayed her--and perhaps combining that with vengeance against whoever betrayed Flemeth.  It's interesting in the case of Flemeth, though, because it would suggest that Flemeth's betrayer might still be alive... or that she's out to do something to said betrayer's bloodline.  In Mythal's case, we don't know who the remnant population might be, or who precisely tried to murder her, or why other than they seemed to be grasping for power.  Mythal's murderers were likened to the Venatori.  Venatori are fanatics worshiping a would-be god.  Maybe Mythal was murdered around the time the Evanuris began proclaiming themselves gods... or maybe she was murdered by the followers of a person who intended to set him/herself up on equal footing with the Evanuris.

 

And yet another thought, regarding the Blight and dragons.  Solas freaks out about the Archdemons being killed... and they sing to the Blight and draw it to them.  Or maybe they just sing and the Blight seeks them out.  That seems more likely than wanting to be blighted and trade one prison for another.  I've started to think that maybe the singing etc is intentional, but the attraction of darkspawn is not.  The Old Gods want free--they could be spirits trapped within dragons, or maybe some kind of Super Dragon (we really don't know what they are still).  They are imprisoned, ostensibly.  I know some people believe that they are the Evanuris.  That could be true, but I don't think it is.  What I believe is that they could be, due to dragons' inherent resistance to Blight, intended to lock the Blight out of the world somehow.  If that's the case, Solas might have had something to do with it.  And it might either be part of his method for creating the Veil, or it may have inspired the Veil.  It also means that the plan failed miserably because now the Blight targets the dragons.  If all the dragons are blighted and/or killed, then the Blight, whatever it is, wherever it originates, will no longer be locked away.

 

After that talk about dragons being important to the physical earth, and the blood of dragons being the blood of the world - perhaps if they are removed then the world will no longer be able to function. Maybe that's why Mythal tried to say Urthemiel's soul through Kieran. Solas could be trying to prevent them from dying, he seems distressed enough about the Grey Wardens hunting them.

 

Mythal could even be 'of the earth' since she seems to be the only one able to transform into a dragon and the Dalish story claims she walked out of the earth's tears (titan's lyrium?). I was having a talk with Shari last night on Origin chat (MurkyRain is my username if anyone wants to add me) and we went through all the Evanuris on the wiki and tried to find if there were references to other dragons. Interestingly, a lot of them seemed to be able to fly but not necessarily to turn into dragons: Falon'din had wings of death, Elgar'nan has a codex that mentions 'winged death', Dirthamen flew on the back of a raven, Andruil had hawkes, Ghilan'nain urged Dirthamen's Sinner to take wings and she probably created the six legged winged halla we see on the walls in the temple of Dirthamen. I thought perhaps another reason they ascended Ghilan'nain to godhood was that she could create wings for them to fly, which was a grave sin if done without proper permission as it was seen as flying in the shape of 'the divine'. Also the Dwarves were apparently terrified of fire breathing dragons (the stone-less sky betrays with wings of flame); and Mythal seemed to be in contact with the pre-veil Dwarves. Whether it was the good kind of contact or not remains to be seen, but Solas was with her at that point.

 

Since the Titans and dragons seem entirely about the physical realm (I've never heard of a dragon in the Fade), the Old Gods could have been flying about in those Wellspring caverns singing along with the titans in harmony. Assuming dragons have something to do with blood magic and blood magic can cleanse the blight (Merrill's eluvian), and the titans seem to repel the darkspawn who will avoid the lower reaches of the Deeproads.. then.. I don't know, maybe that's how it's meant to be. Maybe removing the dragons from the protection of the titans is what left the dragons vulnerable to darkspawn. The Titan's song wasn't there to repel them. Perhaps the titan and dragon song balanced itself out.

 

It's still a mystery why a couple of the Old Gods ended up with the names 'slavery' and 'chaos'. Apparently they're also known as 'unity' and 'freedom'. Maybe after the veil they 'forgot' themselves and corrupted.

[CapricornSun]

Art post.

 

Solas and the orb.

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Source: https://vecherdremle...m-tired-of-this

 

 

Nice headshot artwork of Solas.

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Source: http://kimsch.tumblr...therwise-i-will

 

 

Then and now. Comparison artwork of Cullen and Solas done around 6 months ago and the other done recently.

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Source: http://projectnelm.t...onth-difference

 

Then:

 

 

Now:

 

[Shari'El]

Mythal could even be 'of the earth' since she seems to be the only one able to transform into a dragon and the Dalish story claims she walked out of the earth's tears (titan's lyrium?). I was having a talk with Shari last night on Origin chat (MurkyRain is my username if anyone wants to add me) and we went through all the Evanuris on the wiki and tried to find if there were references to other dragons. Interestingly, a lot of them seemed to be able to fly but not necessarily to turn into dragons: Falon'din had wings of death, Elgar'nan has a codex that mentions 'winged death', Dirthamen flew on the back of a raven, Andruil had hawkes, Ghilan'nain urged Dirthamen's Sinner to take wings and she probably created the six legged winged halla we see on the walls in the temple of Dirthamen. I thought perhaps another reason they ascended Ghilan'nain to godhood was that she could create wings for them to fly, which was a grave sin if done without proper permission as it was seen as flying in the shape of 'the divine'. Also the Dwarves were apparently terrified of fire breathing dragons (the stone-less sky betrays with wings of flame); and Mythal seemed to be in contact with the pre-veil Dwarves. Whether it was the good kind of contact or not remains to be seen, but Solas was with her at that point.

 

Just to clarify to all those who aren't us - it says in the codex about the sinner:

 

"His crime is high treason. He took on a form reserved for the gods and their chosen, and dared to fly in the shape of the divine. The sinner belongs to Dirthamen; he claims he took wings at the urging of Ghilan'nain, and begs protection from Mythal. She does not show him favor, and will let Elgar'nan judge him."

 

For one moment there is an image of a shifting, shadowy mass with blazing eyes, whose form may be one or many. Then it fades.

 

It could be nitpicking but it says "a form" (not "the form"), "dared to fly" and "took wings".

I think the plural of "a form reserved to gods" makes it seem like all gods can shape-shift to dragons, but it seems strange since only Mythal is seen depicted with any dragon-like features, if it was a common thing then why would it appear only in her statues or in her statues at all?

The part "whose form may be one or many" is also kind of suspicious. I used to think it's Elgar'nan because of the blazing eyes (a theme with this guy) and read that sentence like he likes to to take several different forms, but since this writing stars four different Evanuris it could be the four of them in that shadowy mass.

It's possible that shape-shifting into any winged being is something that is only allowed for the Evanuris and their disciples. I can see why, there is something divine about having wings, it's for a reason that angels are usually depicted with wings. Plus, flying is freedom, and it's probably something they didn't want the common people to have 

 

As FernRain mentioned Elgar'nan & Falon'Din both have songs written about them talking about their wings:

Elgar'nan who brings "Winged Death against those who throw down our work" and "burn(s) the ground under your(his) gaze"

Falon'Din "whose wings of death surround him"

Elgar'nan sounds like a dragon or a phoenix-like creature, especially since he is pretty heavy on the fire imagery. He made the dwarves fear the sun with his fire, very fitting for a dragon but a fiery bird also suits the bill.

Falon'Din with possibly an owl, besides being his sacred animal, owls are quite formidable hunters as well (wings of death).

 

So it's something along the lines of

Mythal - Dragon

Elgar'nan - Dragon? Phoenix?

Falon'Din - Owl

Dirthamen - Raven/Crow

Andruil - Hawk

Ghilan'nain - if she has any it's possibly the winged halla (can be seen in old Elvhenan art).

Not enough info about June & Sylaise.

 

The reason I'm not 100% certain Ghilan'nain has any is because she urged the sinner to take wings, possibly as an act of defiance. It's not obvious how seriously she was taken by the other gods, she was asked to kill all her beings to become part of the Evanuris after all, that must have pissed her off. There is a chance she wasn't allowed (yet) a form with wings.

I kind of imagine it like "yeah, you do you, don't let the leaders tell you that you can't fly!"

 

I just realized something completely unrelated

http://dragonage.wik...ng_to_Elgar'nan

It says "give us victory, over the Earth that shakes our cities" and this codex is from before Trespasser XD

So they went down there to stop the titans from destroying their cities, and on the way found the blight/the Void? Or was that a ruse and their real goal was to mine the titans?

[FernRain]

So it's something along the lines of

Mythal - Dragon

Elgar'nan - Dragon? Phoenix?

Falon'Din - Owl

Dirthamen - Raven/Crow

Andruil - Hawk

Ghilan'nain - if she has any it's possibly the winged halla (can be seen in old Elvhenan art).

Not enough info about June & Sylaise.

 

I thought we decided on a flying furnace.. .

 

On that humorous note.. The Sonallium that Sylaise gifted June: 'allium' is Latin for garlic (Greek: aleo means 'to avoid').

So basically Sylaise gave June a garlic palace.

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[Elessara]

I thought we decided on a flying furnace.. .

 

On that humorous note.. The Sonallium that Sylaise gifted June: 'allium' is Latin for garlic (Greek: aleo means 'to avoid').

So basically Sylaise gave June a garlic palace.

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Wow.  Sylaise and June romance confirmed.  I mean, you have to really love someone to give them a garlic palace.  Mmmm .. garlic.

[FernRain]

I was thinking about when we encounter Flemythal and remembered how she gets riled up about vengeance but then she stops and says says "Alas, so long as the music plays, we dance". Then I remembered when Valta yelling that the song was too loud when she connected with the titan..

 

The titans are being sung into submission? When the music stops Mythal can have her vengeance because there will be no titans to hold back the magic? What's the song keeping titans restrained? .

[Sah291]

@FernRain and @Shari'El,

Good points about the Old Gods possibly depending on the Titans, and the winged forms of the Evanuris not necessarily all being dragons.

It might be that Mythal was an exception and this was her special spirit form, maybe implying she had a closer relationship to the earth. It's very feminine symbolism and she's the All Mother head of the pantheon and one of the eldest Evanuris.

Elgar'nan as a pheonix is an interesting idea. The pheonix is a solar symbol and is associated with royalty and rebirth. The pheonix and dragon are both sacred symbols that are considered complementary and often paired together.

The other animal I thought was maybe a falcon?

Or maybe even a gryphon?

Anyway, wings are pretty much everywhere symbols of royalty and divinity. So the "taking wings" could have represented the point they became gods (or discovered their effective immortality, as it were).