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[ladyiolanthe]

I just occurred to me... do you guys remember that Trespasser epilogue slide where Lavellan searches for Solas in the Fade?

I wonder how that could make sense when Lavellan is a rogue/warrior. Only mages can retain their consciousness when they dream.

 

In one of the early 'getting to know you' conversations with Solas, he says anyone who can dream can befriend spirits.  Here's the transcript:

 

Solas: The Fade reflects the minds of the living. If you expect a spirit of wisdom to be a pride demon, it will adapt. And if your mind is free of corrupting influences, if you understand the nature of the spirit? They can be fast friends.

 

Inq: I’m impressed that you could become friends with spirits.

 

Solas: Anyone who can dream has the potential. Few ever try. My friends comforted me in grief, and shared my joy. Yet, because they exist without form as we understand it, the Chantry declares that spirits are not truly people. Is Cassandra defined by her cheekbones and not her faith? Varric by his chest hair and not his wit?

 

So, old lore was that only mages can retain their consciousness while Dreaming, but I think Solas blows that idea out of the water and that Trespasser epilogue slide clinches it for me. I think it all ties in to how the Veil cuts off people's conscious connection to the Fade, and how some codices indicate it isn't actually a physical barrier, but a matter of perception. It figures strongly in the fic I am trying to write.  ^-^

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

Unfortunately, the wiki page only shows the Warden's lines for her dialogues so I can't copy/paste. Essentially, it's one of the conversations about being a Warden, when she tells you how she hated Circle life as a teenager but eventually came to accept it. Her point is you can rage against the choices life hands you and always be unhappy, or you can suck it up and "find fulfillment in duty." That's where the qunari part comes in.

 

Speaking of raging...am I the only one appalled by the amount of ads now on the wiki?  I can hardly get pages to load there's so much crap there.

I use an anti-virus that blocks them. There are a couple good free ones out there.

 

As for Wynne, ok so she said make lemonade out of lemons. You want to call that part of Qunari philosophy, fine. But that's not an inherently evil idea, nor is it specific to the Qun.

 

She wasn't advocating lobotomizing (or making Tranquil, for an equivalent) those who hadn't come to accept their lot and learned to work within it. Far as she seems to be concerned, they can rail as much as they want against their circumstances, as long as they don't endanger themselves/others. She's just of the belief that they won't be happy, at peace, or make their situation any better by doing that. And she says so. That's hardly her being like the Qun.

 

In one of your early 'getting to know you' conversations with Solas, he says anyone who can dream can befriend spirits.  Here's the transcript:

 

Solas: The Fade reflects the minds of the living. If you expect a spirit of wisdom to be a pride demon, it will adapt. And if your mind is free of corrupting influences, if you understand the nature of the spirit? They can be fast friends.

 

Inq: I’m impressed that you could become friends with spirits.

 

Solas: Anyone who can dream has the potential. Few ever try. My friends comforted me in grief, and shared my joy. Yet, because they exist without form as we understand it, the Chantry declares that spirits are not truly people. Is Cassandra defined by her cheekbones and not her faith? Varric by his chest hair and not his wit?

 

So, old lore was that only mages can retain their consciousness while Dreaming, but I think Solas blows that idea out of the water and that Trespasser epilogue slide clinches it for me. I think it all ties in to how the Veil cuts off people's conscious connection to the Fade, and how some codices indicate it isn't actually a physical barrier, but a matter of perception. It figures strongly in the fic I am trying to write.  ^-^

Yeah. Theoretically, if you are trying, you can do it. With enough will. But few ever try, as he says. And it makes sense that previous lore entries assume mages are the only ones who can do it b/c mages would be the ones with an interest. Also, I'd assume having magic, which indicates more of a connection to the fade than not having magic, makes it easier for them to try.

[Melbella]

 As for Wynne, ok so she said make lemonade out of lemons. You want to call that part of Qunari philosophy, fine. But that's not an inherently evil idea, nor is it specific to the Qun.
 
She wasn't advocating lobotomizing (or making Tranquil, for an equivalent) those who hadn't come to accept their lot and learned to work within it. Far as she seems to be concerned, they can rail as much as they want against their circumstances, as long as they don't endanger themselves/others. She's just of the belief that they won't be happy, at peace, or make their situation any better by doing that. And she says so. That's hardly her being like the Qun.

No, she doesn't, but what do you think happens to Circle mages to rage against their lot in life? They are made Tranquil, or killed outright. So much easier to go along to get along, right? Conform and live, protest and well....your choice. I'm not looking to argue, however. I'm just saying, after having not played Origins for a couple of years, when I heard those lines from Wynne, the first thing I thought was, "How Qunari of you."
 

[Elessara]

No, she doesn't, but what do you think happens to Circle mages to rage against their lot in life? They are made Tranquil, or killed outright. So much easier to go along to get along, right? Conform and live, protest and well....your choice. I'm not looking to argue, however. I'm just saying, after having not played Origins for a couple of years, when I heard those lines from Wynne, the first thing I thought was, "How Qunari of you."
 

 

Or simply pragmatic.  But then the Qun does have a strong streak of pragmatism.

[lynroy]

I just occurred to me... do you guys remember that Trespasser epilogue slide where Lavellan searches for Solas in the Fade?

I wonder how that could make sense when Lavellan is a rogue/warrior. Only mages can retain their consciousness when they dream.

Non-mages still dream and are capable of remembering their dreams. Remember, the spirits in the fade reflect what they see in the real world. When any person dreams, they are seeing these reflections. The Fade is similarly shaped. Lavellan wants to find Solas so the Fade shapes itself to reflect that when she dreams. No conscious connection required, just the ability to dream.

Have you ever had to take a big exam and dreamed that you missed it or showed up late or without your pants? Or you were worried about something and kept dreaming about it? I imagine something similar happening with Lavellan here.

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

Non-mages still dream and are capable of remembering their dreams. Remember, the spirits in the fade reflect what they see in the real world. When any person dreams, they are seeing these reflections. The Fade is similarly shaped. Lavellan wants to find Solas so the Fade shapes itself to reflect that when she dreams. No conscious connection required, just the ability to dream.

Have you ever had to take a big exam and dreamed that you missed it or showed up late or without your pants? Or you were worried about something and kept dreaming about it? I imagine something similar happening with Lavellan here.

Yes.

 

Then it becomes a question of whether she's just dreaming of Solas (I suppose with a spirit shaping the dream of him for her, if I understand how dreaming works in Thedas) or is Solas actually stopping by on occasion.

 

In the lore, mortal will alone isn't enough to change the fade, right? Or else the old mages mapping the Fade could have created the paths they wanted. All the related codex entries I can think of says they had to rely on spirits for guidance. So the usefulness of the will of the mortal involved is simply as a lure for a spirit or demon to take an interest and shape the dream for the mortal to then experience. That's how I understand it, anyway. Am I on the same page with the rest of you?

[Sifr]

Speaking of raging...am I the only one appalled by the amount of ads now on the wiki?  I can hardly get pages to load there's so much crap there.

 

I use an anti-virus that blocks them. There are a couple good free ones out there.

 

Either of you know if ad-blockers work on tablets? It has been a total nightmare trying to look up stuff on the DA wiki recently.

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

Either of you know if ad-blockers work on tablets? It has been a total nightmare trying to look up stuff on the DA wiki recently.

I use Avast. Its free and it blocks all my ads. I'm on a desktop, I don't see why it wouldn't work on a tablet. I'm sure their site would say so.

[Sifr]

No, she doesn't, but what do you think happens to Circle mages to rage against their lot in life? They are made Tranquil, or killed outright. So much easier to go along to get along, right? Conform and live, protest and well....your choice. I'm not looking to argue, however. I'm just saying, after having not played Origins for a couple of years, when I heard those lines from Wynne, the first thing I thought was, "How Qunari of you."
 

 

If we're being fair, the Circle did the same to her over time as the Qunari do quickly when they re-educate people.

 

Their way of thinking is forced to conform to that of the system. While the person still has the freedom to choose whether to obey or not, they come to view disobedience as futile and pointless since it will lead to death, thus leaving them with only one course of action available. Thus they are told they have a choice, even if that choice ends up not really being a choice at all.

 

Wynne seems to believe that as long as you accept life in the Circle, you can be happy. Choosing any other option leads to death or tranquility, so if you don't want that to happen, you should embrace the Circle.

 

I don't really blame Wynne and a lot of older mages we see for thinking this way. While we often see that they did partake in youthful rebellion and pushed back against the system, they have now come to accept life in the Circle, because they've been institutionalised far too long.

[dawnstone]

Either of you know if ad-blockers work on tablets? It has been a total nightmare trying to look up stuff on the DA wiki recently.

What browser do you use? I use uBlock Origin on Firefox, and I think it's available for Chrome and Opera, too.

[CapricornSun]

Mini art post:

 

Lovely sketches of Solas's daughter all grown up and married to Abelas (yes, this was unexpected but I love it! xD)

and then have many orange-eyed babies. By kallielef. You can see Grandpa Solas carrying his grandchild . 

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Source: http://kallielef.tum...las-get-hitched

 

 

Lavellan discovers jazz. Cute Solavellan scene from the modern AU fic Law and Order: Inquisition.

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Source: http://sihaofskyhold...z-scene-from-my

 

 

Beautiful portrait of Solas. Referenced from this screenshot.

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Source: http://itsmisskalynn...olas-dragon-age

 

[Qun00]

Non-mages still dream and are capable of remembering their dreams. Remember, the spirits in the fade reflect what they see in the real world. When any person dreams, they are seeing these reflections. The Fade is similarly shaped. Lavellan wants to find Solas so the Fade shapes itself to reflect that when she dreams. No conscious connection required, just the ability to dream.

Have you ever had to take a big exam and dreamed that you missed it or showed up late or without your pants? Or you were worried about something and kept dreaming about it? I imagine something similar happening with Lavellan here.

There is a difference between a normal dream and controlling your actions within it.

It is one thing for Lavellan to dream about looking for Solas and another to actually do it.

[ladyiolanthe]

Non-mages still dream and are capable of remembering their dreams. Remember, the spirits in the fade reflect what they see in the real world. When any person dreams, they are seeing these reflections. The Fade is similarly shaped. Lavellan wants to find Solas so the Fade shapes itself to reflect that when she dreams. No conscious connection required, just the ability to dream.

Have you ever had to take a big exam and dreamed that you missed it or showed up late or without your pants? Or you were worried about something and kept dreaming about it? I imagine something similar happening with Lavellan here.

 

 

Yes.

 

Then it becomes a question of whether she's just dreaming of Solas (I suppose with a spirit shaping the dream of him for her, if I understand how dreaming works in Thedas) or is Solas actually stopping by on occasion.

 

In the lore, mortal will alone isn't enough to change the fade, right? Or else the old mages mapping the Fade could have created the paths they wanted. All the related codex entries I can think of says they had to rely on spirits for guidance. So the usefulness of the will of the mortal involved is simply as a lure for a spirit or demon to take an interest and shape the dream for the mortal to then experience. That's how I understand it, anyway. Am I on the same page with the rest of you?

 

 

There is a difference between a normal dream and controlling your actions within it.

It is one thing for Lavellan to dream about looking for Solas and another to actually do it.

 

I have to agree with Qun00's latest comment. Whether the entity Lavellan sees in her dreams is actually Solas or a spirit mimicking Solas is irrelevant to Qun00's original question, as far as I am concerned. The salient point of that slide is that Lavellan can control her actions (reaching for him, or not) while dreaming. And I think it is possible that we are conflating the information we were given. Here's the words from the slides:

 

"Lavellan sometimes came awake from dreams in which her lover watched her sadly from across an endless distance. If they were more than simple dreams she could not say, for every time she reached for him, he vanished into nothing."

 

"Still she searched, and dreamed, and waited, for a way to change the Dread Wolf's heart."

 

The first part of the slide deals with Lavellan dreaming of a wolf, if we go by what was actually illustrated on the slide, who might be Solas.  The second part, I feel, deals with what she does in general - searching, dreaming and waiting - while awake, not just asleep. Otherwise, why mention dreaming if she is already in a dream?

[NightSymphony]

Awww...cute chibi art of Solas and Lavellan

 

Sleepy Elves

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http://elaninae.devi...Elves-612536558

 

Fade Date

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http://elaninae.devi...-Date-612536882

[Qun00]

I have to agree with Qun00's latest comment. Whether the entity Lavellan sees in her dreams is actually Solas or a spirit mimicking Solas is irrelevant to Qun00's original question, as far as I am concerned. The salient point of that slide is that Lavellan can control her actions (reaching for him, or not) while dreaming. And I think it is possible that we are conflating the information we were given. Here's the words from the slides:

"Lavellan sometimes came awake from dreams in which her lover watched her sadly from across an endless distance. If they were more than simple dreams she could not say, for every time she reached for him, he vanished into nothing."

"Still she searched, and dreamed, and waited, for a way to change the Dread Wolf's heart."

The first part of the slide deals with Lavellan dreaming of a wolf, if we go by what was actually illustrated on the slide, who might be Solas. The second part, I feel, deals with what she does in general - searching, dreaming and waiting - while awake, not just asleep. Otherwise, why mention dreaming if she is already in a dream?

Because in the last sentence, "dreamed" is included in the same list as other active efforts in reaching him.

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

Because in the last sentence, "dreamed" is included in the same list as other active efforts in reaching him.

I think that goes back to that "if you have a big exam coming up, you dream about it" thing. Finding Solas and figuring out how to "change his heart" is at the forefront of her mind, so it makes sense its occupying her dreams as well.

[CapricornSun]

Art post.

 

More Singquisition Solavellan modern AU comics!

The roomies (Lavellan, Sera, and Dorian) attend a "retro" party, in which Lavellan then sends a photo to Solas.

Solas thinks it's perfect.

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Source: http://solavellangar...oomies-attend-a

 

 

Sleepy elves (Tumblr version to reblog)

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Source: https://electricpoto...but-i-dont-plan

 

 

"You change... everything." Fade Date (Tumblr version to reblog)

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Source: https://electricpoto...ange-everything

 

 

Solavellan doodle.

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Source: http://faustianart.t...class-doodles-ツ

 

 

Sad-looking Trespasser Solas.

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Source: http://elfequality.t...67298564/an-egg

 

 

Solas making a face.

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Source: http://soltrash.tumb...and-has-no-idea

 

 

Solas wearing a wolf pelt.

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Source: http://soltrash.tumb...g-solas-wearing

 

[ladyiolanthe]

Because in the last sentence, "dreamed" is included in the same list as other active efforts in reaching him.

 

 

I think that goes back to that "if you have a big exam coming up, you dream about it" thing. Finding Solas and figuring out how to "change his heart" is at the forefront of her mind, so it makes sense its occupying her dreams as well.

 

Yes - I wasn't clear, sorry, and maybe I misunderstood what others were writing. I think we're all in agreement that dreaming is one of the things she is doing to find him/attempt to redeem him (along with searching and waiting). I was specifically attempting to address Qun00's original question which had to do with the ability or inability for different classes to direct what they do while dreaming, which seemed to have been conflated with whether the being in the dream was actually Solas or not.

[Melbella]

Either of you know if ad-blockers work on tablets? It has been a total nightmare trying to look up stuff on the DA wiki recently.

I just installed AdBlockPlus for IE and it seems to be working....I was able to load a wiki page without having 900 ads take over everything. I think I saw mention of a tablet version, so maybe that would work, depending on what system you have.
 
 

If we're being fair, the Circle did the same to her over time as the Qunari do quickly when they re-educate people.
 
Their way of thinking is forced to conform to that of the system. While the person still has the freedom to choose whether to obey or not, they come to view disobedience as futile and pointless since it will lead to death, thus leaving them with only one course of action available. Thus they are told they have a choice, even if that choice ends up not really being a choice at all.
 
Wynne seems to believe that as long as you accept life in the Circle, you can be happy. Choosing any other option leads to death or tranquility, so if you don't want that to happen, you should embrace the Circle.
 
I don't really blame Wynne and a lot of older mages we see for thinking this way. While we often see that they did partake in youthful rebellion and pushed back against the system, they have now come to accept life in the Circle, because they've been institutionalised far too long.

 
The institutionalization of it is a large part of the problem. It's what they're used to so don't think to do anything else or act any differently. It's like how both Fenris and Dorian describe being a slave/slavery in general. It just is, and until you are exposed to something different (the Fog Warriors for Fenris, the South for Dorian) there is nothing to prompt you to think anything else is even possible.

 

 

Yes - I wasn't clear, sorry, and maybe I misunderstood what others were writing. I think we're all in agreement that dreaming is one of the things she is doing to find him/attempt to redeem him (along with searching and waiting). I was specifically attempting to address Qun00's original question which had to do with the ability or inability for different classes to direct what they do while dreaming, which seemed to have been conflated with whether the being in the dream was actually Solas or not.

 

One of the first things I want any quizzy of mine to research is how to block Dreamers from invading their dreams. That is #1 priority goal for Vivienne, Dorian, Dagna, and anyone else who might have a clue or any ideas on where to look for an answer and how to implement it. Solas is a master of the Fade....no matter what they do, they can't guard their dreams and keep him from learning what they might be up to that way. But they need to find a way. I think Feynriel would be a wonderful asset in this endeavor, and it would be fun to see what he's been up to. He might even be less inclined to help Inqui's who left Hawke in the Fade (and of course there is the horrible option of him being made Tranquil ).

[CapricornSun]

Art post.

 

Solas introduces his baby daughter to her uncles Dorian and Iron Bull,

with Bull coming up with different ways to use a baby sling. Solas is worried. By kallielef.

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Source: http://kallielef.tum...d-traditionally

 

 

Some gorgeous DA:I tarot cards by drathe: The Moon (Solavellan tarot card) and The High Priestess (Lavellan tarot card)

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Source: http://drathe.tumblr...inyapostasy-the

 

The Moon:

 

The High Priestess:

 

 

The Dreadwolf tried his best

to resist the temptation of love;

but in the end

he broke both of their hearts.

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Source: http://porcelain-hal...t-to-resist-the

 

 

Close up of Solas and Lavellan from the adorable Fade Date artwork. 

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Source: https://electricpoto...before-i-shrunk

 

 

Red lyrium!Solas.

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Source: http://smuttine.tumb...-for-a-solas-in

 

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

One of the first things I want any quizzy of mine to research is how to block Dreamers from invading their dreams. That is #1 priority goal for Vivienne, Dorian, Dagna, and anyone else who might have a clue or any ideas on where to look for an answer and how to implement it. Solas is a master of the Fade....no matter what they do, they can't guard their dreams and keep him from learning what they might be up to that way. But they need to find a way. I think Feynriel would be a wonderful asset in this endeavor, and it would be fun to see what he's been up to. He might even be less inclined to help Inqui's who left Hawke in the Fade (and of course there is the horrible option of him being made Tranquil ).

I dunno if even Feynriel would be able to block out Solas. I mean, he's had thousands of years of experience with the Fade. They could make Feynriel a true prodigy or something, but I dunno.

 

The problem of making him tranquil is a problem with him beign significant, too, as you said. But maybe Bioware will take a page out of games like Witcher 3 with the next one. There are side quests in W3 that only occur if you made a specific decision in 1 or 2. They don't have stand in characters either, making the characters themselves irrelevant. Instead the quest just doesn't happen or a certain outcome is unattainable b/c that person was there. Or a certain outcome is unavoidable b/c that person IS there. It doesn't have to be a positive thing to have saved or spared the people you did in previous games. These side quests don't necessarily influence the main story, though there is one I can think of off the top of my head that provides you an extra ally for a main story fight later in the game.

 

My point here is, I'd like it if there was a quest that required Feynriel to be present for a certain outcome and, if you made him tranquil, he isn't there and only another outcome or two is possible. I hope they don't do what they've done with a lot of cameos in the past and make the character returning be irrelevant (DA2) or make their role mostly interchangeable without much consequence (ME3, with the exception of Rannoch's outcomes). Doesn't even have to mean the "best" outcomes are tied to the cameos. Just make the story flow right.

[Sifr]

What browser do you use? I use uBlock Origin on Firefox, and I think it's available for Chrome and Opera, too.

 

I just installed AdBlockPlus for IE and it seems to be working....I was able to load a wiki page without having 900 ads take over everything. I think I saw mention of a tablet version, so maybe that would work, depending on what system you have.

 

Well, was hoping to see if any ad blocker software would run on tablet versions like iPads, not entirely sure what is compatible or not? Will have to google to see if I can find the answer, cheers for the advice anyhow.

 

One of the first things I want any quizzy of mine to research is how to block Dreamers from invading their dreams. That is #1 priority goal for Vivienne, Dorian, Dagna, and anyone else who might have a clue or any ideas on where to look for an answer and how to implement it. Solas is a master of the Fade....no matter what they do, they can't guard their dreams and keep him from learning what they might be up to that way. But they need to find a way. I think Feynriel would be a wonderful asset in this endeavor, and it would be fun to see what he's been up to. He might even be less inclined to help Inqui's who left Hawke in the Fade (and of course there is the horrible option of him being made Tranquil ).

 

I like the idea of using Dwarves to thwart Dreamers, since they don't dream naturally and could be far more harder for anyone trying to listen in and lift information from them, since there's nothing to listen in to.

 

Even on the rare occasions that Dwarves can dream, it seems to require very special circumstances take place, such as being forced into the Fade by a powerful demon, becoming a Grey Warden, or having the Anchor give them a permanent connection to the Fade.

 

Although if Dreamers can force someone into the Fade like demons sometimes can, then that probably would make them just as much of a security risk as anyone else. As an expert on the Fade, Solas may have figured out how to induce it remotely, since we've seen similar feats from Fenyriel, who was able to mess with people in Kirkwall from as far away as Tevinter.

 

One thing that makes me curious though, since Dreamers can apparently learn to block people from their dreams and Solas likely has that ability, then Lavellan being able to see him in dreams is interesting... assuming that it it is indeed him?

 

According to Weekes, the reason that Solas broke up with Lavellan was because he realised how easily she can slip through his defenses and that he was even prepared to tell her everything. He even acknowledges something similar in Trespasser, that it would be all too easy for him to spill his entire plan to a befriended/romanced Inquisitor because of his fondness for them.

 

Why shouldn't the same be true in the Fade as well? Even for a master Somniari like him, Solas cannot entirely prevent Lavellan from reaching him in the Fade, because on some level he doesn't really want to. As the Fade reflects the mind of the dreamer, then it makes sense why there's always a great distance between the two in those dreams, as subconsciously Solas wants to be with her and to push her away.

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

Well, was hoping to see if any ad blocker software would run on tablet versions like iPads, not entirely sure what is compatible or not? Will have to google to see if I can find the answer, cheers for the advice anyhow.

 

 

I like the idea of using Dwarves to thwart Dreamers, since they don't dream naturally and could be far more harder for anyone trying to listen in and lift information from them, since there's nothing to listen in to.

 

Even on the rare occasions that Dwarves can dream, it seems to require very special circumstances take place, such as being forced into the Fade by a powerful demon, becoming a Grey Warden, or having the Anchor give them a permanent connection to the Fade.

 

Although if Dreamers can force someone into the Fade like demons sometimes can, then that probably would make them just as much of a security risk as anyone else. As an expert on the Fade, Solas may have figured out how to induce it remotely, since we've seen similar feats from Fenyriel, who was able to mess with people in Kirkwall from as far away as Tevinter.

 

One thing that makes me curious though, since Dreamers can apparently learn to block people from their dreams and Solas likely has that ability, then Lavellan being able to see him in dreams is interesting... assuming that it it is indeed him?

 

According to Weekes, the reason that Solas broke up with Lavellan was because he realised how easily she can slip through his defenses and that he was even prepared to tell her everything. He even acknowledges something similar in Trespasser, that it would be all too easy for him to spill his entire plan to a befriended/romanced Inquisitor because of his fondness for them.

 

Why shouldn't the same be true in the Fade as well? Even for a master Somniari like him, Solas cannot entirely prevent Lavellan from reaching him in the Fade, because on some level he doesn't really want to. As the Fade reflects the mind of the dreamer, then it makes sense why there's always a great distance between the two in those dreams, as subconsciously Solas wants to be with her and to push her away.

Using dwarves as a primary recon force is an interesting idea. Its funny that that would essentially lead to an elf vs dwarf dynamic that's prevalent in every other fantasy medium, but hasn't really been in Thedas up til recently. And even the recent incarnation of it is that the elves and dwarves were at war thousands of years ago, not in modern times. But really, dwarves would indeed be a great choice for agents going forward if dreamer spies were a concern. Doubly so in Tevinter b/c dwarves seem to have protected status there.

 

I mean, yeah, dwarves, if captured, could maybe be forced in to the Fade and their minds read that way. But that could happen to anyone, so being a dwarf in that situation isn't a detriment anymore than being anything else. But it is a boon where Solas and his agents are concerned. They can't just take a nap in the wilderness of the Tirashan and rifle through the secrets of Lace Harding's sleeping mind in Highever. Or learn about that next super weapon Dagna's planning. At least, not from Dagna herself.

[midnight tea]

Using dwarves as a primary recon force is an interesting idea. Its funny that that would essentially lead to an elf vs dwarf dynamic that's prevalent in every other fantasy medium, but hasn't really been in Thedas up til recently. And even the recent incarnation of it is that the elves and dwarves were at war thousands of years ago, not in modern times. But really, dwarves would indeed be a great choice for agents going forward if dreamer spies were a concern. Doubly so in Tevinter b/c dwarves seem to have protected status there.

 

I mean, yeah, dwarves, if captured, could maybe be forced in to the Fade and their minds read that way. But that could happen to anyone, so being a dwarf in that situation isn't a detriment anymore than being anything else. But it is a boon where Solas and his agents are concerned. They can't just take a nap in the wilderness of the Tirashan and rifle through the secrets of Lace Harding's sleeping mind in Highever. Or learn about that next super weapon Dagna's planning. At least, not from Dagna herself.

 

Welll.... I suppose it's a boon nonetheless, especially against, er... 'normal' Dreamers - but Dreamers like Solas? He himself said that he saw dwarves in the Fade when it so happened that some spirits observed them. And we do know that Solas is basically a Spirit Whisperer So there's no telling if he doesn't have spirits as... er, spies? Or they're sent somewhere to observe stuff, lol.

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Using dwarves as a primary recon force is an interesting idea. Its funny that that would essentially lead to an elf vs dwarf dynamic that's prevalent in every other fantasy medium, but hasn't really been in Thedas up til recently. And even the recent incarnation of it is that the elves and dwarves were at war thousands of years ago, not in modern times. But really, dwarves would indeed be a great choice for agents going forward if dreamer spies were a concern. Doubly so in Tevinter b/c dwarves seem to have protected status there.

 

I mean, yeah, dwarves, if captured, could maybe be forced in to the Fade and their minds read that way. But that could happen to anyone, so being a dwarf in that situation isn't a detriment anymore than being anything else. But it is a boon where Solas and his agents are concerned. They can't just take a nap in the wilderness of the Tirashan and rifle through the secrets of Lace Harding's sleeping mind in Highever. Or learn about that next super weapon Dagna's planning. At least, not from Dagna herself.

 

If they take this route and use the idea that dwarves can't easily be spied upon, then this is how I'd prefer they bring back Lace Harding in the future.

 

She would be the perfect choice to send to gather information in Tevinter for Leliana and/or the Inquisition (if it still exists), as it doesn't seem that Solas has many allies in the Imperium, let alone who might be capable of capturing or interrogating dwarves without attracting attention?