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[midnight tea]

 

Ok this rant/question is for all solas fans, but more directed at the "Plot Overlords aka the writers. "(meant as a joke, not trying to be offensive)

 

 (oh and for those that don't  know anything about solas, SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!!!!)

 

Ok This is what I dont get, we know that Solas's fear is dying alone (it's on his tombstone in the fade). BUT! he doesn't want you to join him in his plot to tear down the veil cuz "there is only death on this journey"......Me: but you plan on destroying this world that will no doubt kill me.....O.o....soooo if we are both going to die (supposedly) because of this big plan of yours, why would it matter if I was with you or not.....Just wondering.

 

Yes I know they did his romance at the last second, if I am remembering that correctly. I just really wanted to get everyone's opinion and possibly something from the writers. Oh and if its already been addressed please give me the link, Thank you. 

 

Well for me Solas answered that though Cole in base game, nevermind Trespasser and 'I cannot do that to you vhenan":

 

"I'm sorry, Cole, but with your gift, I fear you might see the path that I must now walk in solitude forever. This fate is mine alone. Indeed, I would not wish it on an enemy, much less someone that I once cared for."

 

If he wants to spare Cole - a spirit he befriended - it's only logical that he wants to spare his heart from fate that he wouldn't wish on an enemy. And he sentenced his past enemies to suffer eternal torment I'd like to add!

 

I mean... that he fears dying alone is irrelevant in Solas's mind, I'm pretty sure. He's already resigned himself to his fate and doesn't want anyone else to experience it. Dying alone is still better than being tormented with awareness that person you love is suffering the same terrible punishment you do. They don't deserve this.

[CapricornSun]

Art post.

 

'Young and Hot Blooded'. Young Solas with hair. Oooh!

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Source: https://fenrirsruthl...o-autumn-aurora

 

 

Close up:

 

 

Young cocky concept Solas.

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Source: http://serenity-fail...peanuts-envy-on

 

 

The Dread Hipster.

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Source: http://bigbuffpugpuf...explanation-for

 

 

 

Solas and his vhenan.

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Source: http://clive-the-inq...on-a-commission

 

 

Kidquisitor wants the Dread Wolf to introduce himself more cutesy. Based on this post.

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Source: http://coffeependulu...d-that-inspires

 

[Vaseldwa]

Three possibilities to me: 

 

1) He doesn't want to actually watch you die, if he can help it. 

 

2) The death on his journey that he speaks of doesn't just mean his own. It might mean he has a lot of killing ahead of him, too, that he will do b/c he thinks its necessary, but he doesn't want you to be involved in. Also ties into the line, "I would not have you see what I become." Enter some of our worries about how violence/death is the surest way of thinning the veil and questions about why he's apparently drawing so many elves to him in the epilogue slides. Are they an army? Are they a potential blood sacrifice? Both?

 

3) He means just his path will kill him when he says "there is only death on this journey", but perhaps the death on his journey won't be painless and sudden, like the death from the veil drop chaos will theoretically be. So, its a worse death and he would spare you that.

 I can understand that, I was all like its morrigan all over again! (except you could go with her). I just hope they give a detailed explanation, instead of a brush off kind of reason/reasons about why he left us behind. Buuut he is still my Inquisitors BFF (I mostly play as a qunari or dwarf) Also idk about the blood sacrifice thing, didnt solas say he didnt practice blood magic? Although he did say he didnt consider it to be evil...just a means to an end...hmmmmmmm

 

Hi all! I'm fairly new here, though I've been reading the forums for some time.
I don't know if this has been posted before, I just found it yesterday and it's quite funny! Enjoy:

Solas' Trickery - Dragon Age: Inquisition Remixed
https://www.youtube....h?v=vCperZ3HZKQ

 

This is what PW himself has said, when asked about it in Twitter (the question is encrypted in rot13 for spoiler reasons and it says "So I'm assuming the real reason we can't follow Solas will be revealed later? Not asking for spoilers, just wondering. :)" )

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I have a feeling that his plan includes more that he's telling us. I'm not against the theory that after he tears down the veil he will attempt to turn back time, maybe before the time Mythal was murdered, so everyone of current time, including Lavellan, will seize to exist, so what's the point in taking her with him? Also, he might (still) be... bound to Mythal's will somehow, either through a geas, guilt, obligation, vengeance or previous close relationship (friendly, familial, romantic or as her guardian/champion) and she doesn't want any distractions to influence him (and that's why he seems to subconsciously be asking the Inquisitor to save him from himself). Or maybe they plan to use the Inquisitor as an advisor for next game. I know a lot of people disagree with these theories, but the jury is still out.


Now let's discuss what can be counterintuitive and weird, yet make sense to Patrick Weekes.

On the one hand I am all for going back in time and changing history in a big way. On the other hand I would be scared it would make things worse then they were. Like as bad as things are, what if changing how certains things went down, makes the future worse then it aready was??? "If" part of his plan is going back in time, I hope we can explore a bit and learn alot more about the elves of solas's time. I want to actually meet the the mages solas locked away. I mean were they really as bad as solas's says they were? Or was it the other way around??? 

 

Well for me Solas answered that though Cole in base game, nevermind Trespasser and 'I cannot do that to you vhenan":

 

"I'm sorry, Cole, but with your gift, I fear you might see the path that I must now walk in solitude forever. This fate is mine alone. Indeed, I would not wish it on an enemy, much less someone that I once cared for."

 

If he wants to spare Cole - a spirit he befriended - it's only logical that he wants to spare his heart from fate that he wouldn't wish on an enemy. And he sentenced his past enemies to suffer eternal torment I'd like to add!

 

I mean... that he fears dying alone is irrelevant in Solas's mind, I'm pretty sure. He's already resigned himself to his fate and doesn't want anyone else to experience it. Dying alone is still better than being tormented with awareness that person you love is suffering the same terrible punishment you do. They don't deserve this.

I see your point. Do you think that the direction there going with solas is, "He thinks he has to bring down the veil and die and or kill alot of people to undo what he did. BUT the next protaginist finds another way to undo what he did, without destroying the current world" or spends a great deal of the game finding reasons to give solas to not go through with it??? (assuming solas hasnt already done it) 

[ladyiolanthe]

 I can understand that, I was all like its morrigan all over again! (except you could go with her). I just hope they give a detailed explanation, instead of a brush off kind of reason/reasons about why he left us behind. Buuut he is still my Inquisitors BFF (I mostly play as a qunari or dwarf) Also idk about the blood sacrifice thing, didnt solas say he didnt practice blood magic? Although he did say he didnt consider it to be evil...just a means to an end...hmmmmmmm

*snip*

 

He did say he doesn't practice blood magic because it would interfere with his ability to travel to the Fade. However, he has proven that he is willing to do whatever it takes to 'restore' the Elvhen. We know that he needed a tremendous amount of power - the orb - in order to accomplish his original goal of tearing down the Veil. (By 'original' I mean what he was planning to do before he realized that he'd misjudged modern people and decided their lives actually do have value.) In-game lore suggests that blood magic can generate the tremendous amount of power he needs. Furthermore, he seems resigned to the idea that he is going to become something awful and/or die.

 

Given this knowledge about him, I don't feel that it's a stretch to believe that he would begin practicing blood magic to accomplish his goal of 'restoration' since he figures he's going to change/die anyway. He won't have much use for the Fade if he dies, and probably wouldn't want to put his spirit friends in danger by going to the Fade if he lives but becomes something awful (like, say, a greater pride demon, for instance.) 

[Vaseldwa]

He did say he doesn't practice blood magic because it would interfere with his ability to travel to the Fade. However, he has proven that he is willing to do whatever it takes to 'restore' the Elvhen. We know that he needed a tremendous amount of power - the orb - in order to accomplish his original goal of tearing down the Veil. (By 'original' I mean what he was planning to do before he realized that he'd misjudged modern people and decided their lives actually do have value.) In-game lore suggests that blood magic can generate the tremendous amount of power he needs. Furthermore, he seems resigned to the idea that he is going to become something awful and/or die.

 

Given this knowledge about him, I don't feel that it's a stretch to believe that he would begin practicing blood magic to accomplish his goal of 'restoration' since he figures he's going to change/die anyway. He won't have much use for the Fade if he dies, and probably wouldn't want to put his spirit friends in danger by going to the Fade if he lives but becomes something awful (like, say, a greater pride demon, for instance.) 

 

I hope it doesnt come to that. I feel like the last choice we can make with solas (on weather or not to go after him to save him or kill him) may dertimine or help determine solas's fate in the next game. As of right now I am on the wanting to "save him" side of things. 

[ladyiolanthe]

I hope it doesnt come to that. I feel like the last choice we can make with solas (on weather or not to go after him to save him or kill him) may dertimine or help determine solas's fate in the next game. As of right now I am on the wanting to "save him" side of things. 

 

Oh, I am, too. My Lavellan is going to try to save him from himself if she can. She'll be horrified if she learns he's collecting elves to use them as sacrifices for some major blood magic, but if he hasn't done it yet, he may still be redeemable.  

[Jayla]

Hello people, hope you're all doing well! It's been a while since I've been here! I'm doing another playthrough on DAI so, ofc, I had to come back here and see what's going on. Anything new? Theorycrafting? Ideas? Fanfic recommendations? Juicy PWeekes tweets? Pretty Lavellans? Etc.?

[CapricornSun]

Art again.

 

Solas doing a bit of painting from the mermaid AU fic, Black Coral, by nipuni. 

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Source: http://nipuni.tumblr...-black-coral-by

 

 

Chibi Solas is happy to meet you! By needapotion.

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Source: http://needapotion.t...ppy-to-meet-you

 

 

Some gorgeous tarot card artworks of Solas, Dorian, and Cole.

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Source: http://lauren-draws-...rtbreaking-bald

 

[Ellawynn]

Actually the "meat head hunters" would likely be more qualified. Knowing how to read is irrelevant to abilities as a spy here or abilities in politics. The hunters are trained to be silent, to observe everything, knows various tactics, and as someone else mentioned are probably the main group that deals in trading with humans and other clans when necessary. I doubt they send their valuable mages to do that sort of thing. So chances are a hunter would have more experience dealing with outsiders and in combat situations.

 

Ehhhhh... speaking realistically, combat prowress actually shouldn't be THAT important to being Inquisitor. They're the leader of the Inquisition and the sole person capable of stopping the Breach - they're the last person you want to send into battle against anyone, much less random no-name bandits and wolves in the ass end of the Hinterlands. Yeah yeah, I know, "they have to close the rifts!" And said rifts should be cleared out and secured by scouts and soldiers and then shut down by the one-of-a-kind-but-still-regrettably-squishy Inquisitor. At the very least, the Inquisitor should be running with a full compliment of guards and soldiers instead of three people (Who are all also pretty important, but ultimately more disposable. Well, I guess Cole's kinda useless in the grand scheme of things. And Blackwall.). Some combat proficiency's good, but unlike Hawke or the Warden, the Inquisitor has both resources and good reasons to be staying out of the fight, so being a good fighter shouldn't be useful as being a good leader or diplomat - remember, Cailan got killed cause he was an idiot that wanted to lead from the front.

 

But I imagine that BioWare was reluctant to make the gameplay consist of letter-writing and salon-hosting, so instead you've got the Inquisition sending their irreplaceable, all-important leader into fights against local wildlife. 

 

Anyway, I don't think anyone except maybe non-mage human Quizzies are really equipped off the bat to be Inquisitor. All the rest likely needed a lot of tutoring and teaching to be presentable. 

[dawnstone]

Linking this recent article here, just to reiterate my reply a page back. David Gaider talks about worldbuilding, how the art comes first in game development a lot of the time, and then story, and near the end explains why they end up cutting so much material even though they want the player to know as much about the world as they can feasibly fit in:

 

http://www.develop-o...-gaider/0221327

[CapricornSun]

Art post.

 

A rather lovely artwork of Solas with hair. 

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Source: http://avionetca.tum...-couldnt-resist

 

 

WIP art of Mythal placing a wreath on Fen'Harel's head.

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Source: http://avionetca.tum...-again-fenharel

 

 

'He would walk without fear'. Smiling Solas.

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Source: http://drdr214.tumbl...lk-without-fear

 

 

Sad Wolf. A lovely artwork of Solas by umabbas.

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Source: http://umabbas.tumbl...erobservational

 

 

A very gorgeous artwork of Fen'Harel.

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Source: http://mariannelarou...st/145655773463

 

 

Scary werewolf Solas (with hair). (Warning for sharp teeth, blood, and scary eyes.)

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Source: http://asanla-danem-...am-pissed-off-i

 

 

Some lovely Solas doodles.

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Source: http://faebelina.tum...es-for-practice

 

 

Solas reading a book.

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Source: http://schrodanger.t...eam-but-heres-a

 

 

The DAI gang playing Wicked Grace.

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Source: http://microrockets....windles-down-to

 

[Elessara]

Ehhhhh... speaking realistically, combat prowress actually shouldn't be THAT important to being Inquisitor. They're the leader of the Inquisition and the sole person capable of stopping the Breach - they're the last person you want to send into battle against anyone, much less random no-name bandits and wolves in the ass end of the Hinterlands. Yeah yeah, I know, "they have to close the rifts!" And said rifts should be cleared out and secured by scouts and soldiers and then shut down by the one-of-a-kind-but-still-regrettably-squishy Inquisitor. At the very least, the Inquisitor should be running with a full compliment of guards and soldiers instead of three people (Who are all also pretty important, but ultimately more disposable. Well, I guess Cole's kinda useless in the grand scheme of things. And Blackwall.). Some combat proficiency's good, but unlike Hawke or the Warden, the Inquisitor has both resources and good reasons to be staying out of the fight, so being a good fighter shouldn't be useful as being a good leader or diplomat - remember, Cailan got killed cause he was an idiot that wanted to lead from the front.

 

But I imagine that BioWare was reluctant to make the gameplay consist of letter-writing and salon-hosting, so instead you've got the Inquisition sending their irreplaceable, all-important leader into fights against local wildlife. 

 

Anyway, I don't think anyone except maybe non-mage human Quizzies are really equipped off the bat to be Inquisitor. All the rest likely needed a lot of tutoring and teaching to be presentable. 

 

Now imagine if all of DAI had been repeated quests just like Wicked Eyes, Wicked Hearts ... except there was no fighting at all.  And climbing up the garden trellis in full view of everyone immediately failed the quest.

[midnight tea]

Now imagine if all of DAI had been repeated quests just like Wicked Eyes, Wicked Hearts ... except there was no fighting at all.  And climbing up the garden trellis in full view of everyone immediately failed the quest.

 

I always have to laugh at the whole "your every move and word will be scrutinized for weakness, be very careful! ...But climbing in plain view to do Suspicious Things in places guests aren't invited in? Don't worry, nobody will pay attention"

[midnight tea]

Ehhhhh... speaking realistically, combat prowress actually shouldn't be THAT important to being Inquisitor. They're the leader of the Inquisition and the sole person capable of stopping the Breach - they're the last person you want to send into battle against anyone, much less random no-name bandits and wolves in the ass end of the Hinterlands. Yeah yeah, I know, "they have to close the rifts!" And said rifts should be cleared out and secured by scouts and soldiers and then shut down by the one-of-a-kind-but-still-regrettably-squishy Inquisitor. At the very least, the Inquisitor should be running with a full compliment of guards and soldiers instead of three people (Who are all also pretty important, but ultimately more disposable. Well, I guess Cole's kinda useless in the grand scheme of things. And Blackwall.). Some combat proficiency's good, but unlike Hawke or the Warden, the Inquisitor has both resources and good reasons to be staying out of the fight, so being a good fighter shouldn't be useful as being a good leader or diplomat - remember, Cailan got killed cause he was an idiot that wanted to lead from the front.

 

But I imagine that BioWare was reluctant to make the gameplay consist of letter-writing and salon-hosting, so instead you've got the Inquisition sending their irreplaceable, all-important leader into fights against local wildlife. 

 

Anyway, I don't think anyone except maybe non-mage human Quizzies are really equipped off the bat to be Inquisitor. All the rest likely needed a lot of tutoring and teaching to be presentable. 

 

I kinda-sorta agree, but with both rift-closing, but the threat of constant attacks or even assassination attempts probably requires Inquisitor to be in top notch physical form as well. Plus the whole "Inquisitor fights with us" can be neatly used in some nice PR. I even recall how NPCs in Gryffin Keep are in awe that nobody in Inquisitor's small team ever dies and one of them is like "Well, it's the Herald of Andraste! (S)he makes miracles!" and one of them being "I wanna be part of their team!" That, and there's at least a mention in Venatori papers that Inquisition almost never travels alone - and admittedly all of Inquisitor's companions are probably worth a small garrison in terms of skill... plus I'm sure there are Inquisition people crowding around. We have scouts and camps all across zones if we establish them after all, as well as people scouring for supplies.

[Ellawynn]

I kinda-sorta agree, but with both rift-closing and threat of constant attacks or even assassination attempts probably requires Inquisitor to be in to notch physical form as well. Plus the whole "Inquisitor fights with us" can be neatly used in some nice PR. I even recall how NPCs in Gryffin Keep are in awe that nobody in Inquisitor's small team never dies and one of them is like "Well, it's the Herald of Andraste! (S)he makes miracles!" and one of them being "I wanna be part of their team!" That, and there's at least a mention in Venatori papers that Inquisition almost never travels alone - and admittedly all of Inquisitor's companions are probably worth a small garrison in terms of skill... plus I'm sure there are Inquisition pole crowding around. We have scouts and camps all across zones if we establish them after all, as well as people scouring for supplies.

 

"The Inquisitor fights with us!" is a decent PR line. "The Inquisitor got mauled to death by a bear while filling herb requisitions" is a pretty awful one. Where exactly ARE all my back up scouts? None of them wanted to ride along while I systematically hunted every high dragon in Thedas? C'mon guys, I'm dying here. Literally, this high dragon is killing me.

 

But video games gonna video game.

[Illyria]

What up, nerds?

 

Ur all wrong.

[Almostfaceman]

What up, nerds?

 

Ur all wrong.

 

Your mom goes to college. 

 

[Elessara]

"The Inquisitor fights with us!" is a decent PR line. "The Inquisitor got mauled to death by a bear while filling herb requisitions" is a pretty awful one. Where exactly ARE all my back up scouts? None of them wanted to ride along while I systematically hunted every high dragon in Thedas? C'mon guys, I'm dying here. Literally, this high dragon is killing me.

 

But video games gonna video game.

 

Can you imagine having an army of scouts, soldiers and bodyguards follow you around?  I mean, some of those caves are pretty small.  And then there'd be the game bugs .. they'd glitch into walls, get stuck in combat, get stuck behind rocks, won't follow you somewhere and then the game would be all like, "You must gather your party before venturing forth."  And you're like THEY'RE RIGHT FREAKING BESIDE ME BALDUR'S GATE! ... err sorry, got off track (although seriously most annoying thing in that game ever).  Anyway yeah, games are gonna game.  It's just easier having a smaller party.

[Qun00]

Hunters are gonna be the first point of contact with various traders and outsiders for Clan Lavellan and they could easily end up very diplomatic as a result, if the player wants. They also likely know how to read people and situations. Both of which would be very useful for politics. And as a hunter, they've likely been part of an organized force before, be it for a hunt, scouting, or defense of the clan, and they can use that experience when leading field missions and making decisions as Inquisitor.

And I don't think being a First or not being a First actually ties in to whether you've ever picked up a book or not, much less whether that book was particularly useful. (Or even written in common. If you can only read elven, that still limits you outside the clan.) Whether someone is well read in the clan would be determined by personal interest and the availability of the reading material.

Fair enough. But aren't Dalish Firsts literally groomed for leadership?

Ehhhhh... speaking realistically, combat prowress actually shouldn't be THAT important to being Inquisitor. They're the leader of the Inquisition and the sole person capable of stopping the Breach - they're the last person you want to send into battle against anyone, much less random no-name bandits and wolves in the ass end of the Hinterlands. Yeah yeah, I know, "they have to close the rifts!" And said rifts should be cleared out and secured by scouts and soldiers and then shut down by the one-of-a-kind-but-still-regrettably-squishy Inquisitor. At the very least, the Inquisitor should be running with a full compliment of guards and soldiers instead of three people (Who are all also pretty important, but ultimately more disposable. Well, I guess Cole's kinda useless in the grand scheme of things. And Blackwall.). Some combat proficiency's good, but unlike Hawke or the Warden, the Inquisitor has both resources and good reasons to be staying out of the fight, so being a good fighter shouldn't be useful as being a good leader or diplomat - remember, Cailan got killed cause he was an idiot that wanted to lead from the front.

But I imagine that BioWare was reluctant to make the gameplay consist of letter-writing and salon-hosting, so instead you've got the Inquisition sending their irreplaceable, all-important leader into fights against local wildlife.

Anyway, I don't think anyone except maybe non-mage human Quizzies are really equipped off the bat to be Inquisitor. All the rest likely needed a lot of tutoring and teaching to be presentable.

Which is probably why they went with that in the default world.

[CapricornSun]

Art post.

 

Gorgeous artwork of sad Solas.

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Source: http://hadnd.tumblr....n-experimenting

 

 

Just Solas.

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Source: http://accidental-ap...eally-been-some

 

 

The egg, he shines.

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Source: http://elfequality.t...e-egg-he-shines

 

 

The Lost Elves. Solas and Lavellan.

(Keeping it as a link due to artist's wishes not to have their artwork reposted)

Source: http://renavieart.tu...st/145670139838

 

Doodle of Solas and Lavellan.

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Source: http://menelluinlave...ther-3-but-once

 

 

Modern Mages. Solas, Vivienne, and Dorian.

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Source: http://rulodecabra.t...81/modern-mages

 

[ladyiolanthe]

Hey!  Maybe *this* is why Solas shaves his head / is bald!

 

;D

[Illyria]

So - what's been happening?

[Caddius]

Ooo. That is a very good point.

 

And it would also explain why they apparently rejected him so vehemently that he got bitter. Showing up to the first dalish mage he came across in his spirit wolf form is a heck of a way to find out about his reputation.

 

I am now imagining him showing up in a dream as a six-eyed giant wolf, some First freaking the hell out, and he thinks "Oh, maybe its cus I look like a giant wolf?", and he transforms to look like an elf, and there's like a moment of calm, and then he's all "Peace, da'len. I am Fen'harel and--" and then the freaking out restarts, this time with lightning. lol

I really hope that the Dalish legend about the Keeper's dog chasing Fen'harel out of his dreams isn't just a legend.   All of his pissiness with the Dalish is just a result of being treated like a poor mailman.

[Elessara]

I really hope that the Dalish legend about the Keeper's dog chasing Fen'harel out of his dreams isn't just a legend.   All of his pissiness with the Dalish is just a result of being treated like a poor mailman.

 

Although the idea of someone's dog chasing off Fen'Harel (in the Fade of all places) is ridiculous it would also be utterly hilarious if that actually happened.  

[Elessara]

So - what's been happening?

 

Not a whole lot tbh.  And do you know why?  BECAUSE WE HAVE NO NEWS THAT'S WHY!!!  Not yelling at you, Illyria ... I'm just antsy.  Especially since I know it's highly unlikely that we'll actually *get* news any time soon.  *pouts*