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Well... we also know that Shartan was an elven slave who played a major role in leading a slave rebellion. But I'm pretty sure that somewhere in the game it's put forth that Shartan never actually existed at all, and was just a retelling of "an old elven folk hero." (Which is almost certainly Fen'Harel.) So it's not out of the question that Shartan's just an aggregation of elven figures who fought for freedom, and Solas inevitably got included. The temple is Origins isn't evidence of much, since it's been established that the entire mountain was stupid with lyrium which made things sort of Fade-y and magical - the Shartan there may have just taken on the form legend says he should have, rather than being the ghost of an actual historical figure.

 

And yeah, I'm not crazy about the "Elvhenan had no passage of time" thing either. I'm not sure how such a society would function and, given what we know of Elvhenan, it doesn't seem like the progression of time was particularly wonky or effected. Also, I feel like that's something Solas would've mentioned. "Crystals spires twining through tree branches, spells that would sing for centuries. Also everyone had a sick time machine."

 

That being said, the time travelling they introduced in Inquisition does seem like a bit of loose end. If they aren't going to use it to bring back time travel at some point in the future, I can only think that they did it because it gives Solas and/or his followers an opportunity to call the Inquisitor a hypocrite.

 

I was mostly speaking towards the physical appearance aspect of Solas vs. Shartan that Draconaise touched on.  I don't think we should read too much into it was pretty much what I was saying.

 

I've spent the past few minutes trying to figure out how a world without time could function.  It actually gave me a mild headache.

 

The time travel in DAI *is* a bit of a loose end.  It apparently only functioned because of the Breach.  But there may be something in there that Solas thinks he can use to do whatever it is he's planning.  Time travel in general appears to be connected to the Veil or to massive disruptions in the Veil although the time travel we encountered was limited only to the lifespan of the Breach itself.  And I think the Inquisitor could really only be called a hypocrite if they get angry at Solas for planning to change the world back to the way it was.  I mean it's one thing to say "ok I understand why you'd want to do this but I really think it's a bad idea because reasons" as opposed to "omg you moronic psycho how could you even think about doing this?!"  The second reaction would definitely be hypocritical on the Inquisitor's part if they'd gone through In Hushed Whispers.

 

Edit to add:  Ellawynn, there would be no need for time machines if time didn't exist at all.  :D



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Edit to add:  Ellawynn, there would be no need for time machines if time didn't exist at all.   :D

 

Indeed there wasn't. Their existence only proves the Evanuris' decadence. *Solemn nodding*


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edit: I'm fine !



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Solas says that his plans would result in the death of every friend you've ever known, if you choose to say you want to join him. I don't know how it'll do it, exactly, but he definitely seems to think it will. I'm gonna trust him on it for the time being.

 
He doesn't really say that... You might have interpreted what he says to mean that, but here's a transcript of what he says when you say you want to join him (only available if you romanced him):
 
Inq: That’s the past. What about the future?
 
Solas: I lay in dark and dreaming sleep while countless wars and ages passed. I woke still weak a year before I joined you. My people fell for what I did to strike the Evanuris down, but still some hope remains for restoration. I will save the elven people, even if it means this world must die.
 
Option 1: "I agree with your goal."
Inq: Let me help you, Solas.
Solas: I cannot do that to you, vhenan.
Inq: But you would do it to yourself? I cannot bear to think of you alone.
Solas: I walk the din’anshiral. There is only death on this journey. I would not have you see what I become.
 
For comparison and thoroughness I'll put the rest of the possible answers for a romanced or befriended Solas under a cut.

Spoiler

 

As some have pointed out, his talk of destroying the world is actually not quite accurate, as plainly he did not actually destroy the world when he put the Veil up in the first place. He destroyed his world - a civilization. Lots of people died, but the world went on, albeit changed. I agree that he expects a lot of people will die again, but I can not agree that he said that everyone your Inquisitor knows will be dead. The current civilization in Thedas will be altered and quite possibly destroyed, but I don't think it's a blank slate scenario.


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Hi everyone - I have a crisis! I can't seem to reblog solas-an.tumblr.com's posts anymore, from anywhere. Also I can't message her. I've never spoken with her and I don't participate in drama, ever... I only reblog stuff and very few people follow me so I don't think I've been blocked... or was I? I remember one time I posted a screencap of her's in this thread, but then someone notified me that she doesn't allow that, so I immediately deleted it. But I doubt she saw that one post and I wouldn't think that would be grounds for blocking.

 

I really don't know. I was hoping someone could help me by messaging her on my behalf to ask her... just to make sure? 

 

Thank you.

Have you ever posted to the Solas tag with anything negative about him? I know that that's an auto-block for some people, even if you don't take it seriously yourself. But yeah, if you can't reblog someone or send them messages, you're on their block list.



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Have you ever posted to the Solas tag with anything negative about him? I know that that's an auto-block for some people, even if you don't take it seriously yourself. But yeah, if you can't reblog someone or send them messages, you're on their block list.


Never about Solas. Only praises and lust for him.

I do criticize Inquisition harshly, however.

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The temple is Origins isn't evidence of much, since it's been established that the entire mountain was stupid with lyrium which made things sort of Fade-y and magical - the Shartan there may have just taken on the form legend says he should have, rather than being the ghost of an actual historical figure.

 

Yeah, I think the figures in the Gauntlet were probably Spirits. The Guardian definitely is, based on Morrigan referring to him as one, his ability to read minds and how he seems to have assumed the identity of one of Andraste's disciples, similar to Telanna and Cole.

 

Come to think of it... since the Warden sees a different vision in the second trial depending on our origin, it makes me wonder how "Shartan" and the other spirits appeared to the others in our party? Did "Shartan" appear to be a bald elf when looked at by Leliana or Zevran for example, or was that merely how the Warden thought he should look?

 

Solas tells us that Spirits can appear as Demons depending on who is perceiving them, Desire Demons can appear differently to seduce their victims, while Fearlings appear as whatever frightens someone, which is why Hawke and the Inquisitor both apparently see them as Spiders.


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*snip* ...  It's also possible he's still doing this to some extent as I recall a codex entry or possibly random conversation where the servants say Solas doesn't seem to eat much.  Don't take my word on that part though, I've been searching for that reference and I haven't been able to find it.  So I may be mistaken about that part.

 

It's not actually in the game but you are not going mad - it is in The World of Thedas Volume 2, at the bottom right of page 231. :)

 

"The kitchen staff at Skyhold recall [Solas] eating little, though he had very particular requirements regarding his tea."


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Never about Solas. Only praises and lust for him.

I do criticize Inquisition harshly, however.

Yeah, I don't know what bug got up their bottom, but I wouldn't take it personally. Some other tumblrs with nice Solas pics are iawv, renanlavellan, and diagk.



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*sigh* I love this art style. :wub: Reminds me of a lot of my favorite anime fanart. 

 

EDIT: Apparently the artist is Japanese, so that might explain that. lol I feel like maybe they've done some Bleach stuff that I've seen before?

 

I love her art style too!  :wub: Also, the artist is Korean, not Japanese. (I follow her on Twitter and that is most definitely Korean writing.) 


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Art post.

 

"Take moments of happiness where you find them. The world will take the rest." By nipuni. <3

 

Finished version of that gorgeous artwork of Solas playing with Lavellan's hair. <3

(NSFW-ish because nudity but nothing really explicit.)

 

Solas kissing Lavellan's hand.  ^_^

 

Glowy Trespasser Solas.


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He doesn't really say that... You might have interpreted what he says to mean that, but here's a transcript of what he says when you say you want to join him (only available if you romanced him):
 
Inq: That’s the past. What about the future?
 
Solas: I lay in dark and dreaming sleep while countless wars and ages passed. I woke still weak a year before I joined you. My people fell for what I did to strike the Evanuris down, but still some hope remains for restoration. I will save the elven people, even if it means this world must die.
 
Option 1: "I agree with your goal."
Inq: Let me help you, Solas.
Solas: I cannot do that to you, vhenan.
Inq: But you would do it to yourself? I cannot bear to think of you alone.
Solas: I walk the din’anshiral. There is only death on this journey. I would not have you see what I become.
 
For comparison and thoroughness I'll put the rest of the possible answers for a romanced or befriended Solas under a cut.

Spoiler

 

As some have pointed out, his talk of destroying the world is actually not quite accurate, as plainly he did not actually destroy the world when he put the Veil up in the first place. He destroyed his world - a civilization. Lots of people died, but the world went on, albeit changed. I agree that he expects a lot of people will die again, but I can not agree that he said that everyone your Inquisitor knows will be dead. The current civilization in Thedas will be altered and quite possibly destroyed, but I don't think it's a blank slate scenario.

He says it if you are befriended, not romanced. :)

 

Choice: I agree with your plan.

Lavellan: Let me help you, Solas.

Solas: You cannot.

Lavellan: You want to restore the elven people. I would give my life for that.

Solas: Would you give the life of every friend you have ever known? There is no glory here, only a price I alone will pay.

 

Source: Solas Trespasser Dialogue Flowchart

 

And yeah, there will still be a world, as in a space where something is, when he is done. But it apparently won't contain the current people pf Thedas, thus it is still the end of the world for them.


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He says it if you are befriended, not romanced. :)

 

Choice: I agree with your plan.

Lavellan: Let me help you, Solas.

Solas: You cannot.

Lavellan: You want to restore the elven people. I would give my life for that.

Solas: Would you give the life of every friend you have ever known? There is no glory here, only a price I alone will pay.

 

Source: Solas Trespasser Dialogue Flowchart

 

And yeah, there will still be a world, as in a space where something is, when he is done. But it apparently won't contain the current people pf Thedas, thus it is still the end of the world for them.


Hi all!

I have not written here for quite some time, but I still follow the thread whenever possible. It seems I'm doomed forever.
Here are my thoughts on the matter.
I agree with ladyiolanthe here. Solas did not say everyone will die, and I prefer to take his words metaphorically. The world as it is will cease to exist, because it will be completely different. Solas tends to be overly dramatic at times.

He expects everyone to put up a fight against him. So there will be losses, I have no doubts about that. What's more, some people will become unstable. I guess he expects them to act as someone who's been cured of tranquility. This could cause many deaths, unfortunately.
Also, Solas does not believe in people. He changes his attitude during game, mostly towards Inquisitor and some of inner circle, but he still underestimates most of modern Thedosians. So he does not epect them to accommodate to the world without the Veil.

Regarding the thing he says to befriended Inquisitor when offered help:

Remember what he did to Felassan?  Solas felt he needed to dispose of him, because he was no longer loyal. Felassan turned against him in some way, and that's why Solas was forced to kill his friend. Then Solas also killed Flemeth. Maybe that's why he says: 'Would you give the life of every friend you have ever known? There is no glory here, only a price I alone will pay.' How many more such sacrifices he will have to make? Solas already is on the dinan'shiral.
He doesn't  wish that fate on anyone else, especially not his friend.
Remember that Solas will have to make some ruthless calculations in order to succeed. It won't be easy. But it will be most likely very much needed. Especially if everyone will be fighting him.

If Inquisitor decided to join Solas, how do you think, what would the companions do? Would they decide to join the cause as well? I doubt it. At some point Inquisitor would be forced to fight them.
Many people here on Bioware forums already decided that removing the Veil is wrong, that this is a crazy idea (and that Solas is a madman).  I don't expect people of Thedas to think differently.
And apparently Solas knows that. Remeber his rant after the Temple of Mythal?

 

 

 
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It's not actually in the game but you are not going mad - it is in The World of Thedas Volume 2, at the bottom right of page 231. :)

 

"The kitchen staff at Skyhold recall [Solas] eating little, though he had very particular requirements regarding his tea."

 

Thank you!  Now I can stop looking for it lol.  I had not even thought to look in WoT.



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He says it if you are befriended, not romanced. :)

 

Choice: I agree with your plan.

Lavellan: Let me help you, Solas.

Solas: You cannot.

Lavellan: You want to restore the elven people. I would give my life for that.

Solas: Would you give the life of every friend you have ever known? There is no glory here, only a price I alone will pay.

 

Source: Solas Trespasser Dialogue Flowchart

 

And yeah, there will still be a world, as in a space where something is, when he is done. But it apparently won't contain the current people pf Thedas, thus it is still the end of the world for them.

 

Thanks for bringing it to my attention! I did try checking some other videos of Trespasser playthroughs out but hadn't seen that version, which I assume only happens if you play an elf who befriended Solas?

 

(For some reason, it seems hard to find Trespasser playthrough videos of Lavellans who only befriended Solas!  ;D )


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So, you think that Solas meant the death of every friend b/c you'll have to fight and kill them? It's possible.

It could just be both. I mean he says "every" friend you've "ever" known. I don't think that the advisors and inner circle are really supposed to be the only friends the inquisitor has ever made. And there are bound to be friends you've made that you wouldn't fight, due to circumstances of location if nothing else. I still think he says this sentence to say that the end goal is what will kill those friends b/c that's the only way it would encompass all of them.

But it is true you'd probably have to fight at least some of them on the way. I don't think that's what that sentence was intended to convey, but I'm sure it should also be a concern for a Lavellan who asks to join.


(For some reason, it seems hard to find Trespasser playthrough videos of Lavellans who only befriended Solas! ;D )

Yes. Strange thing,that. ;)

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Regarding the thing he says to befriended Inquisitor when offered help:
Remember what he did to Felassan? Solas felt he needed to dispose of him, because he was no longer loyal. Felassan turned against him in some way, and that's why Solas was forced to kill his friend. Then Solas also killed Flemeth. Maybe that's why he says: 'Would you give the life of every friend you have ever known? There is no glory here, only a price I alone will pay.' How many more such sacrifices he will have to make? Solas already is on the dinan'shiral.
He doesn't wish that fate on anyone else, especially not his friend.

I hadn't thought of it that way before, but that makes a lot of sense and you may be right.

He is making this statement as someone who has already lost or sacrificed every friend he has ever known up until now. We assume he's talking about the world here, but he is actually probably talking about the personal cost of fighting for a cause of this magnitude, and this is the reason he refuses the Inquisitor's request to join him. The IQ would have to be willing to sacrifice more than just their own life. There is no glory in it. The price he will pay is that he will likely die alone, just as he fears.
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Choice: I agree with your plan.

Lavellan: Let me help you, Solas.

Solas: You cannot.

Lavellan: You want to restore the elven people. I would give my life for that.

Solas: Would you give the life of every friend you have ever known? There is no glory here, only a price I alone will pay.

 

Hmm. I interpreted this as Solas simply stating that he himself was willing to sacrifice every friend he had ever known, as in when he created the Veil and did just that. It doesn't necessarily mean that the Inquisitor would 100% have to see her friends die, because he does not say that explicitly. It only means that there is the potential for that outcome (since bringing down the Veil would cause huge unrest, chaos, totally new world etc.), and if she is not willing to sacrifice her friends' for the cause then it is not something he would want her to ever be involved in doing, because it may happen and then she would be burdened with unbelievable guilt. He sees himself as the only one who can save the world because he is and was willing to give up everything for it, even people he loves. 



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Art

 

W.I.P. Solas (with hair) and Lavellan

http://ede1986.devia...Solas-618297295

 

Solas and Lavellan

http://schl4fmuetze....-wolf-618246250

 

Solas looking kind of disgusted

http://tychea.devian...Solas-618117518

 

Just Nope!

http://julo16.devian...-NOPE-618068280

 

Naked Solas and Lavellan playing in a river. (kind of NSFW..just naked butts)

http://enmali.devian...rplay-618034656

 

Beautiful Ghilan'nain

http://gaalagaalko.d...n-Age-618437588

 

 

EDIT: Adding...

 

Another Ghilan'nain

http://gaalagaalko.d...n-Age-618440835

 

Andruil

http://gaalagaalko.d...n-Age-618440316


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Choice: I agree with your plan.

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Well that's still Solas saying that your friends are likely going to die with the completion of his plans, which is the important point I think. It's not as if the inquisitor not joining him is going to stop that. Him telling the inquisitor they can't join is sparing the inquisitor the guilt and is an act of compassion in that situation, but it doesn't change his statement that your friends will die. It only means he won't let you be complicit.
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About the Solas/Shartan, Mythal/Andraste similarities.  World of Thedas says that scholars have discovered that much of the Canticle of Shartan bears close resemblance to an earlier elven folktale, clearly about Fen'Harel.   However, that doesn't mean that Shartan wasn't a real historical character, simply that his story became overlaid by an earlier heroic myth.    I've suggested before that Shartan may have actually used this ancient folk tale to inspire his followers to action and that is how it became associated with him.   Shartan must have been a real historical character, otherwise what was his shade doing in the Gauntlet?   We also find his sword Glandivalis in DA2 and give a book to Fenris allegedly written by him (although it could simply have been dictated to a follower).    Why would the Dalish tell stories of Shartan and his friendship with Andraste if he never existed?     Why would the 1st Divine want to include the Canticle in the Chant if Shartan was never a follower?  Why would the later Divine consider him such an embarrassment that they even went to the lengths of removing his image from iconography?   (Please don't get me started on why they show Shartan on the central panel of the Chantry in Redcliffe when it has been considered heretical to even mention him for the last 700 years).    It doesn't surprise me that scholars were encouraged to discover that Shartan wasn't a real figure, considering the anti-elven sentiment that exists, particularly among the nobility who resented Celene trying to get gifted peasants, including elves, into the university.

 

Andraste is a real historical character but it is clear now that the story given in the Chant bears little resemblance to the true historical facts.   Again there are suggestions by scholars that parts of the Chant are based on earlier heroic myths that were already in circulation before her time.    I do wonder if the story giving the details of the battle of Valarian Fields in the Chant is actually mixed up with an old Alamarri folk tale, which in itself was based off an even earlier myth concerning Mythal.     The suggestion that Andraste went to consult the Maker by a silver pool near Minrathous, where she was captured, sounds a lot like a lyrium spring and may well include some aspects of Mythal's tale, considering that Andraste was actually taken prisoner from her stronghold in Nevarra.  

 

So to me, the bottom line is, you can look to the Chant to find hints about what really happened with Mythal and Solas but don't assume that necessarily means they were the same people as Andraste and Shartan.      

 

Right from DAO Shartan was for me a genuine elven hero and I will be extremely upset if they do try and alter that fact.


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Art post.

 

Modern AU young Solavellan where they are both rockers! :D

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A lovely artwork of Solas and Lavellan sitting on the grass with the Breach looming above.

 

Singquisition Solavellan comic to be sold at AX! :D And then later on Storenvy! (I'm so gonna buy this!)

 

Singquisition modern AU: Solas and Lavellan so tired from working at the pub that they pass out on the mattress.  ^_^

 

Solas and Lavellan sparring.  ^_^

 

Lavellan and a crazy-looking Solas done for the emoji meme.

 

Lavellan dreams of the Dread Wolf. (There's a long story behind this in the source link.)


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I'm just going to drop this here for those interested... :)

 

 


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Art post again.

 

A tall warrior!Lavellan and Solas.  ^_^

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Source: http://pixellion-ima...y-lifeblood-and

 

Sketch of Solas and Lavellan.

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Source: http://bonivichart.t...herald-became-a

 

Singquisition Solavellan fancomic printed out! Oooh! *grabby hands*

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Source: http://solavellangar...seeing-my-babbu

 

A gorgeous Solas artwork to be sold at AX! <3

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Source: http://kakimari.tumb...st/146676513933

 

Modern AU Solas has heard that seaweed makes hair grow. :P

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Source: https://niklisson.tu...s-a-culmination

 

Fen'Harel with a wolf skull cloak.

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Source: http://acecasinova.t...rom-their-phone


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I think you raise some valid points, but I don't whole heartedly agree with all of them :) I think first of all, not everything is black and white, but very greyish with Solas. He is arrogant and self confident and even prideful, which leads to him making mistakes.

 

There is plenty of evidence that Ancient Elves were capable of being both spirits and creatures of flesh.

 

What I am wondering is if this dynamic gave the Ancient Elves, particularly the powerful ones like the Evanuris, a sort of dual personality. I mean, a spirit can become a demon and act in the opposite way they were supposed to act.

 

So it follows that powerful Ancient Elves would have had spiritual side and a demonic side to them. The way Solas describes Mythal when the Inquisition was at their temple was almost as it Mythal had a dual personality of sorts where she was both protective and fierce.

 

My thinking is that this dual personality could be extended to Solas. What if his spiritual side is that of wisdom and freedom whereas his demonic side is one of pride and trickery ?