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[ladyiolanthe]

Indeed. One thing that annoys me about Western thinkers is they assume the Judeo/Christian standard of a god is the standard that all people all over the world hold to all their gods, and if their deity is not an all-seeing, all-knowing, world-creating entity, then it's not really a god and doesn't count for worship, which is not actually the case for many non-Jewish/Christian/Muslim deities.

 

Dictionary defines a god as:

 

1. (in Christianity and other monotheistic religions) the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being.

   synonyms: the Lord, the Almighty, the Creator, the Maker, the Godhead; More

    

    

    

    

    
2. 2.

   (in certain other religions) a superhuman being or spirit worshiped as having power over nature or human fortunes; a deity.

 

 

By the former Judeo/Christian "all seeing, all knowing, world-creating" standard, the Creators aren't gods. By the latter standard, they could very well qualify. 

 

Besides, learning that Andraste wasn't the woman seen in the rift behind the Herald when you first fell out of the Fade, and learning that you got your mark from a ritual gone awry rather than from the Maker Himself, didn't stop Andrastians from choosing to continue to believe you're the Herald of Andraste and the Mark a gift from the Maker (even though it is ancient elven magic). I don't understand why everyone acts like learning that the Creators weren't world-creating entities means all Dalish should automatically stop believing in them, when the Andrastians did not.

 

Weirdly (since I was raised in the Judeo-Christian tradition; I guess I am sort of agnostic these days, though) my Inquisitor's decision not to believe in gods was informed more by the second definition there. Over the course of the game she came to realize that gods are relative: anyone that is perceived or actually has power over anyone else could be perceived as a god to those they have power over. While she did see the hope kindled in the whole "The Dawn Will Come" scene in the Frostbacks and was grateful for that, she was also deeply disturbed by all the people bowing to her. Solas only made it worse when he told her it's been an age since any elf was raised so high. She does not feel that she is worthy of worship or adulation and does not wish to be perceived as god-like herself, but the Anchor brought her close to being seen that way. While she was recorded in the Keep as a merciful and diplomatic Inquisitor, I didn't have her acting that way because she thought it was a golden ticket to a lovely afterlife. Rather, she did it because it is the decent thing to do. She truly believed that she needed to do right by the people who had placed their trust in her.

 

Over the course of the game, she began to question how entities become deities. And the natural outcome of that line of thought for her was to question how the Creators came to be worshipped as gods. Solas' 'true' stories about the Creators in the Temple of Mythal made her start wondering what kind of entities they actually were. She had a hard time reconciling what she had been taught about them with what Solas was saying about them. At that time, she had little reason to disbelieve Solas or think that maybe he was telling her a version of events that would paint him (as Fen'Harel) in a better light. So, by the end of the main game, she was questioning whether the Creators were actually worthy of her worship.

 

Cue Solas' revelations in Trespasser. Whether true or false, they played on her worst fears. If the Evanuris were just a bunch of people who did what they could for their followers, and became revered for it, then corrupted by their increasing power, could that possibly have happened to her, as well? Could it still happen to her? The thought chills her. I guess she has a really bad case of cold feet!

[NightSymphony]

Solas walking wearing his Trespasser armor. Many eyed wolves are at his side.

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http://faebelina.dev...Dream-619833416

[Renmiri1]

Solanyatta ????

 

That gives me hope

 

I had thought the messed up Solas we know is more like Genji because of the family feud, the bald head and the break everything to fix it attitude but Zenyatta is a lot better

 

[Xilizhra]

Or it calls for re-organizing the way you think about faith. I know people like the Flat-Earthers and the creationists and those who push for a literal interpretation of holy works will disagree, because they will say it all HAS to be true for the religion's laws to be worth living by. We know the truth, so now all we have to do is live by the truth, and anything that threatens the literal interpertations of those truths are threatening the very foundations of your belief system and must be destroyed or repressed (see: The Dark Ages.)

I should point out that Biblical literalism is actually quite new, all things considered. Also, "Dark Ages" is a Protestant slur.

[Renmiri1]

I should point out that Biblical literalism is actually quite new, all things considered. Also, "Dark Ages" is a Protestant slur.

Huh ?

 

Most Catholics I know call the Dark Ages, dark ages..

[midnight tea]

I should point out that Biblical literalism is actually quite new, all things considered. Also, "Dark Ages" is a Protestant slur.

 

.... Nnnot really that new. Generally speaking most people believed that things have happened how they were described. Even many Catholics I know, from parts of the country that aren't yet much developed or enlightened believe in many things form the Bible happening for real. Maybe not with 100% accuracy, but most events are considered to have happened in one way or another. 

 

And no, it's not a Protestant slur - it's a term coined by Italian scholar from Renaissance Italy, Petrarch, who is also considered to be a founder of Humanism. 

[Bayonet Hipshot]

 

What does the vagueness of your truth accomplish?

 

This. Having vague half truths is highly disastrous. Can you imagine a mage reading a spellbook where the true way to cast the spell is vaguely described and then trying it out ? It will end in a disaster. The same goes for an alchemist who is learning new herbal and poison recipes. If the recipes are vague half-truths, they would end up in some form of chemical accident.

 

I quite frankly find the notion of valuing vague half truths as a form of virtue to be rather foolish.

[CapricornSun]

Art post.

 

'The Wolf in Sheep's Clothing'. Gorgeous! 

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Source: http://sticklizard.t...-dragon-age-fan

 

Tumblr link version of that Solas in Trespasser armor with wolves at his side for those who want to reblog it. By the amazing faebelina.

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Source: http://faebelina.tum...-my-head-that-i

 

Solas in a Star Wars AU.

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Source: http://athousanddayy...c-its-still-may

 

Solas doodle.

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Source: http://destinyaposta...ce-doodle-thing

 

Modern AU Lavellan and Solas from Singquisition sleeping.  

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Source: http://solavellangar...ired-af-and-for

 

A nice evening. The DA:I gang playing Wicked Grace by xfreischutz.

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Source: http://xfreischutz.t.../a-nice-evening

 

Little doodle of modern AU Lavellan and Solas from Singquisition sleeping.  

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Source: http://solavellangar...ired-af-and-for

[Siha]

I'm confused. If you know something to be true, then of course you believe it? That's kind of a necessity for acknowledging something as true. You sure "believe" is the word you mean?

 
"Believe" was the best word our language seems to offer, as in "I believe in god". The word believe does not necessarily require information, truth, or knowledge. Or an informed decision. It only expresses what I acknowledge to be truth, regardless of the facts supporting or contradicting it. It is easier to believe what was proved to be true but that is neither a prerequisite nor necessarily an implication: I can choose not to believe despite proof. What about creationists who refuse to believe modern science about evolution? They exist. And given the right chain of arguments their beliefs even hold water, at least in their eyes.
What Dreamer meant, and I am quite sure you know that , is simply that it does not require much faith anymore to believe what was proved true.
 

Admittedly, it's the double-standard of how Inquisition handles the faith of the Dalish in comparison to the Andrastian faith. Inquisition explicitly calls into question the validity of the beliefs of the Dalish because Solas says they aren't gods, and we are given no counterpoint to his claims, but apparently the developers have no intention of ever doing anything comparable with the faith of the Andrastian humans.

 
This is very much like real life, no? Some religions assume an almighty god, others assume many gods who may or may not wander upon Earth like inhabitants, others assume a human to have reached the highest level of enlightenment. Thinking of the very young religions we even see alien cults or the assumption that people can raise to become "gods" (as in "higher entities") through their actions. And then there's development. The Roman/Greek gods are believed to have evolved simply from observing natural phenomena -- stars, sun, water, moon, air and fire, growth and decay and so on; how they interact and correlate, how they entail each other or appear mutually exclusive. And these relations were expressed by family ties, love affairs, or hate of the personified "gods".
There are many reasons for religion and just as many ways to look at it.
Our religions do not all assume the same thing and leave room for doubts or are restrictive. Similarly, we cannot prove or disprove everything in every religion and there is just no way to meddle with those that are very restrictive and base on "it is just like that, do not question it, it exists in another plane and our human knowledge and science can never explain it anyway because it is just so". BW simply reflects all that in the games. The Dalish seek understanding of their gods and question their history anyways. The Andrastians accept their Maker to be an entity beyond human perception (or maybe even conception) and seek no revelation of "literal truth".
 

And what is the virtue of choosing to believe in something if you don't know the context of it? Take your example of if your Inquisitor believes he really is the chosen of Andraste even when all the details shown that it was just elven magic gone awry; but your interpretation is that the events didn't presuppose the invisible hand of the Maker doing it so you proclaim yourself the chosen of Andraste while omitting that it is just your interpretation which is not a credible source of truth. If you omit the details, then those that choose to believe your metaphorical interpretation are misled by a lie, not chosen because it's the truth. So even the virtue of freedom of choice is compromised if it's not an informed decision.

You have such a clear definition of "truth"... So, I learn that my mark is Elven magic gone awry but why should it not still be Andraste's doing? Andraste might have influenced the course of events to make it happen... Maybe she somehow twisted things so that the orb went to Cory, who could activate it but not use it as intended... Solas never thought Cory would be capable? Well, maybe he wasn't and Solas was right but someone helped Cory and led to me getting the mark... it is because Andraste/the Maker/God wills it. How it happened and what science explains it is just the means He used. It happened by the hand of God and was executed by others, who He used to make it happen. And He chose me.

Bamm! Killed all "literal truth" without ever saying it weren't true.

[Elessara]

 
"Believe" was the best word our language seems to offer, as in "I believe in god". The word believe does not necessarily require information, truth, or knowledge. Or an informed decision. It only expresses what I acknowledge to be truth, regardless of the facts supporting or contradicting it. It is easier to believe what was proved to be true but that is neither a prerequisite nor necessarily an implication: I can choose not to believe despite proof. What about creationists who refuse to believe modern science about evolution? They exist. And given the right chain of arguments their beliefs even hold water, at least in their eyes.
What Dreamer meant, and I am quite sure you know that , is simply that it does not require much faith anymore to believe what was proved true.
 

 
This is very much like real life, no? Some religions assume an almighty god, others assume many gods who may or may not wander upon Earth like inhabitants, others assume a human to have reached the highest level of enlightenment. Thinking of the very young religions we even see alien cults or the assumption that people can raise to become "gods" (as in "higher entities") through their actions. And then there's development. The Roman/Greek gods are believed to have evolved simply from observing natural phenomena -- stars, sun, water, moon, air and fire, growth and decay and so on; how they interact and correlate, how they entail each other or appear mutually exclusive. And these relations were expressed by family ties, love affairs, or hate of the personified "gods".
There are many reasons for religion and just as many ways to look at it.
Our religions do not all assume the same thing and leave room for doubts or are restrictive. Similarly, we cannot prove or disprove everything in every religion and there is just no way to meddle with those that are very restrictive and base on "it is just like that, do not question it, it exists in another plane and our human knowledge and science can never explain it anyway because it is just so". BW simply reflects all that in the games. The Dalish seek understanding of their gods and question their history anyways. The Andrastians accept their Maker to be an entity beyond human perception (or maybe even conception) and seek no revelation of "literal truth".
 

You have such a clear definition of "truth"... So, I learn that my mark is Elven magic gone awry but why should it not still be Andraste's doing? Andraste might have influenced the course of events to make it happen... Maybe she somehow twisted things so that the orb went to Cory, who could activate it but not use it as intended... Solas never thought Cory would be capable? Well, maybe he wasn't and Solas was right but someone helped Cory and led to me getting the mark... it is because Andraste/the Maker/God wills it. How it happened and what science explains it is just the means He used. It happened by the hand of God and was executed by others, who He used to make it happen. And He chose me.

Bamm! Killed all "literal truth" without ever saying it weren't true.

 

There are a couple of discussions within DAI that touch on these.  After you find out where you got the Anchor you can talk to Josephine and she expresses disappointment because she wanted to believe the mark came from the Maker.  One of the responses the Inquisitor can give says that maybe the Maker set into motion the events that lead up to you getting the mark.  Another convo with Mother Giselle, you can say that the mark didn't come from the Maker and Giselle will say but metaphorically it could have.  My inquisitor usually scoffs at the metaphorical business which annoys Giselle heh.

 

Really it doesn't seem to matter - at least in DAI - what the actual truth is.  It matters what people believe (or perceive) to be the truth.  My inquisitor runs around all day saying she's not the Herald of Andraste but no one seems to believe her.  I swear she felt like Brian from the Life of Brian, "I'm NOT the Herald, I'm NOT the Herald!"  Everyone else, "Yay the Herald of Andraste!"  *facepalm*  ... But even in that case, the inquisitor actually doesn't KNOW they're not the Herald, they just believe they aren't.

 

Ok, I've actually forgotten where I was going with this but ... hey, there's my input into the discussion!  Yay!

[Gervaise]

The insistence with which people insist on believing your are Herald of Andraste, even when you categorically deny you aren't, does become absurd at times.    When you go up into the hills to meet those cultists, their leader asks if you are, you can say you are not and she says that she thought as much.   Then you close the rift and your claim is forgotten.    That was one of the refreshing things about being with Solas because he was one of the few people who didn't regard you as some embodiment of the hand of the Maker either directly or covertly.   It was a pity they never showed the initial reaction of your companions and advisers when you had lost your arm.   How did they explain that one to the faithful?   I bet you anything they didn't ascribe it to the actions of the elf god of Dalish legend because that wouldn't do propaganda any good at all, saying that the false elf god had stolen away the gift of the Maker, particularly considering all the false gods are meant to be either dead (via Grey Warden) or still imprisoned beneath the earth.

[Sports72Xtrm]

 

You have such a clear definition of "truth"... So, I learn that my mark is Elven magic gone awry but why should it not still be Andraste's doing? Andraste might have influenced the course of events to make it happen... Maybe she somehow twisted things so that the orb went to Cory, who could activate it but not use it as intended... Solas never thought Cory would be capable? Well, maybe he wasn't and Solas was right but someone helped Cory and led to me getting the mark... it is because Andraste/the Maker/God wills it. How it happened and what science explains it is just the means He used. It happened by the hand of God and was executed by others, who He used to make it happen. And He chose me.

Bamm! Killed all "literal truth" without ever saying it weren't true.

Just because those events happened doesn't presuppose it happened because of an intelligent design of the Maker. What you're doing is using confirmation bias to rationalize your conjecture which at the end could be completely wrong. By omitting that you don't know, all you're doing is misleading without taking responsibility.

 

Let's say I won the lottery. That must mean God favors me right? So I start my own religion and go to your desperate love one who has cancer and tell them that if they donate all their money to my bank account, I can guarantee them a place in heaven because I'm the chosen one. And she does instead of paying for medical care. Did I "kill the literal truth" or did I just con some hapless sucker?

[LobselVith8]

The insistence with which people insist on believing your are Herald of Andraste, even when you categorically deny you aren't, does become absurd at times.    When you go up into the hills to meet those cultists, their leader asks if you are, you can say you are not and she says that she thought as much.   Then you close the rift and your claim is forgotten.    That was one of the refreshing things about being with Solas because he was one of the few people who didn't regard you as some embodiment of the hand of the Maker either directly or covertly. 

 

Yeah, it was fairly absurd. I have to say that it was also melancholy that Keeper Hawen's clan identify you as 'the Herald of Andraste', rather than as the First of Clan Lavellan (or a hunter of the respective clan). Revas never saw himself as 'the Herald' of the shemlen religion, and I wish that Inquisition as a whole wouldn't pigeonhole you onto that mantle if you outright reject it, especially with the Dalish.

 

It was a pity they never showed the initial reaction of your companions and advisers when you had lost your arm.   How did they explain that one to the faithful?   I bet you anything they didn't ascribe it to the actions of the elf god of Dalish legend because that wouldn't do propaganda any good at all, saying that the false elf god had stolen away the gift of the Maker, particularly considering all the false gods are meant to be either dead (via Grey Warden) or still imprisoned beneath the earth.

 

I suppose it would ultimately up to your protagonist. Similar to how Josephine asks how you want to handle the matter of faith to the people, and you can outright reject the notion of pretending that it was a gift of the Maker. It would've been nice if Lavellan could say, "It was a power of the elven gods, and one of them took it back". Immortalized in one of Varric's books.

 

Speaking of the faithful, I wonder how elves in the Alienages reacted to the idea of Lavellan (a Dalish elf) having a seemingly divine power, particularly if the protagonist outright rejected being tied to the Maker.

[CapricornSun]

Art post.

 

'A Slow Arrow' by nanananananablr. Wow!

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Source: http://nanananananab...64/a-slow-arrow

 

'When the Dread Wolf Came'. Oooh! 

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Source: http://bonivichart.t...deviantart-post

 

Lavellan the big elf girl and Solas. 

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Source: http://juls-art.tumb...pixellion-image

[Gervaise]

Well judging by the elves at the Winter Palace, they don't seem overly impressed by Lavallen at all.    Some of them warn you of the danger in the servants quarters but others don't even want to talk to you.    In fact the reaction of any elves you meet is rather muted.   Look at the clan in the Exalted Plains.   They seem to have heard about your title but not the reason you were given it.    The Keeper insist on you doing a number of tasks before even accepting your trustworthiness and never asks to see the mark at all, while you never get to mention the fact that you are the bearer of an ancient relic of your people.   I know Solas suggested we shouldn't announce it to the world at large because of the blame that would be ascribed to the elves as a result, but a quiet word to the Keeper to let him know just how significant the mark is, would seem appropriate.   So something along the lines of "I know the stupid shems are calling me Herald of Andraste, but this didn't come from the Maker, it is an ancient orb of the elves.  This Corypheus claims I stole it but I'd say it has come to its rightful owner.   Pass the word."

[Auirel]

Well judging by the elves at the Winter Palace, they don't seem overly impressed by Lavallen at all.    Some of them warn you of the danger in the servants quarters but others don't even want to talk to you. 

 

I can imagine some hostility at the Winter Palace from the servant Elves simply because Lavellan is Dalish. They accept and worship the Maker, and for a Dalish Elf to occupy the same position as the nobles they serve would be irritating to anyone. The nobles aren't very happy about it either, ironically calling you a savage while they dance in blood, pretending not to see it.

[CapricornSun]

Art post.

 

Beautiful artwork of Solas sleeping under a tree in the forest with a black wolf and white wolf in the background. 

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Source: http://brittanycurri...but-then-became

 

The Wolf. A very smug-looking Solas.

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Source: http://artisticallya...ot-about-wolves

 

A Solas doodle practice.

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Source: http://pumpernika.tu...o-practice-more

 

A gorgeous Solavellan watercolor artwork from the fic, When The World Fell.

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Source: http://lecherysweet....g-heart-and-you

 

Solas and Lavellan from the fic, Sleeping Arrangements.

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Source: http://sirladysketch...r-being-such-an

 

A relaxing moment. (Solavellan)

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Source: http://tyrphi.tumblr...relaxing-moment

 

Action poses of shirtless Solas and shirtless male Lavellan.

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Source: http://valalin.tumbl...sey-shenanigans

 

Lavellan wonders why Solas is so bald.

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Source: http://suketchilt.tu...solas-from-miel

 

Cute Solas and Lavellan.

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Source: http://chipotanakni....creams-tfwshems

[Lielan]

Hi there,

I just started over with a new Levellan, when I finally discovered Flycam (thanks to you guys )

And since I had a lot of fun reading this thread (I usually don`t post anything because.... well, English is not my native language and I struggle when it comes to writing... ^^)

anyways - i just want to share a few Screenshots with you, just because... well who needs a reason when you can watch Solas (at least a modded version this time) hope you guys like it - thank you all for keeping this thread alive and all the fun stuff

sincerely yours

A Reader

 

Meeting Solas

[img]http://i.imgur.com/8VRDD5P.png[/img]

 

Just talking in Heaven

[img]http://i.imgur.com/yyBYOF4.png[/img]

 

Meeting Dorian and is just looove how both look at him – he’s like “Heyyy I’m Dorian and I’m fabulous” and  they both just – “wtf dude….”

[img]http://i.imgur.com/N8uGBSG.jpg[/img]

 

In hushed Whispers – Red Lyrium Stuff

[img]http://i.imgur.com/JhwtUC0.png[/img]

 

[img]http://i.imgur.com/q7l5g8Y.png[/img]

 

[img]http://i.imgur.com/oj6ybgS.png[/img]

 

Onwards to Skyhold - A Word….

[img]http://i.imgur.com/KyWMqY2.png[/img]

 

Just Solas being awesome

[img]http://i.imgur.com/JEWnOOv.png[/img]

 

And of Course - meeting up in the Fade

[img]http://i.imgur.com/1C3wMYG.jpg[/img]

 

haha that doesn't work but well - at least you can click on it ^^ I shoud have added that i suck at posting Screenshots?

[NightSymphony]

And some more art

 

Solas Water Color Pencil Sketches

http://kirathelefty....ition-619886834

 

When The Dread Wolf Came

http://bonivich.devi...-Came-619883622

 

And just a pretty screen shot

http://dalishlady.de...Solas-620043719

[CapricornSun]

Mini art post.

 

'Hope' by nipuni. Lavellan hugging Solas from behind.

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Source: http://nipuni.tumblr...ds-so-many-hugs

 

And an adorable Solas and Lavellan. 

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Source: http://sihaofskyhold...eaway-prize-for

[NightSymphony]

I think Nipuni is one of my favorite artists. Every single thing she does is magic..lol.  I love the innocence of her Lavellan and the love Solas always has in his eyes when he looks at her. You can see the emotion in her art.

[Commander of the Grey]

Saw an interesting thing for the first time (despite 20 playthroughs!!!) when recruiting the Dalish guy as an agent.

Solas: An interesting choice for a hunter of The People. (In regards to his wish to join)

I've seen a lot of debate on whether or not he considers present elves his kin or not. Could have been a slip up or whatever but it gave me pause.

[DreamerM]

This. Having vague half truths is highly disastrous.

And it has been. That's why disaster has always followed when someone tries to take the often intentionally vague or metaphorical language of religious texts and apply them to the concrete world. That's when we get things like Sharia Law and burning witches at the stake and picketing the funerals of soldiers because gay people are allowed to exist.

This is why going into too much detail about the Maker and Andraste and the like is some dangerous ground to be on, narratively speeking. Again, going back to a theoretical devout Dalish believer in the Old Gods who met Solas and found out the truth of what the Elven gods really are... that person is either going to lose all their religion, or have to re-define their definition of what "gods" are, or will have to make a conscious choice to continue to believe the stories, rather then the reality. Either way, once you put concrete proof in front of a believer, you put them in a difficult spot.

There's a famous story about when Darwin returned from the Beagle ... he had his theories on the origin of species all ready to go, but he delayed actually publishing it for years. His wife was a devout Christian who prayed before every meal and went to church every Sunday, and he feared that this direct contradiction of Biblical creation would hurt her. She tried to assure him, over and over again, that there was no contradiction and that science and religion could peacefully coexist without hurting each other. Finally (when it looked clear that Alfred Russel Wallace was about to publish an identical theory based on studies of birds in the Amazon) he yielded, which is why we remember HIM, and not Wallace, as the father of the Theory of Evolution.

And his wife had to stop going to Church. Too many concerned parties wanted to "discuss" her husband's work with her. She never blamed him, but it did nothing for his conscience. He never recanted his discoveries (the rumor that he did was started by "Lady Hope" who used to go to his wife's church and she made it up), but he died very conflicted about the cultural flashpoint he had become.

[midnight tea]

And it has been. That's why disaster has always followed when someone tries to take the often intentionally vague or metaphorical language of religious texts and apply them to the concrete world. That's when we get things like Sharia Law and burning witches at the stake and picketing the funerals of soldiers because gay people are allowed to exist.

This is why going into too much detail about the Maker and Andraste and the like is some dangerous ground to be on, narratively speeking. Again, going back to a theoretical devout Dalish believer in the Old Gods who met Solas and found out the truth of what the Elven gods really are... that person is either going to lose all their religion, or have to re-define their definition of what "gods" are, or will have to make a conscious choice to continue to believe the stories, rather then the reality. Either way, once you put concrete proof in front of a believer, you put them in a difficult spot.

There's a famous story about when Darwin returned from the Beagle ... he had his theories on the origin of species all ready to go, but he delayed actually publishing it for years. His wife was a devout Christian who prayed before every meal and went to church every Sunday, and he feared that this direct contradiction of Biblical creation would hurt her. She tried to assure him, over and over again, that there was no contradiction and that science and religion could peacefully coexist without hurting each other. Finally (when it looked clear that Alfred Russel Wallace was about to publish an identical theory based on studies of birds in the Amazon) he yielded, which is why we remember HIM, and not Wallace, as the father of the Theory of Evolution.

And his wife had to stop going to Church. Too many concerned parties wanted to "discuss" her husband's work with her. She never blamed him, but it did nothing for his conscience. He never recanted his discoveries (the rumor that he did was started by "Lady Hope" who used to go to his wife's church and she made it up), but he died very conflicted about the cultural flashpoint he had become.

 

 

Well, the state of our civilization so far has proven that the "strife", so far, was worth it. It's only after we began accepting the value of rationalism, edcation and scientific inquiry (actual scientific inquiry, not some weird caricatures of it people tried to pass as 'science' at one point or another) over religious beliefs that we began progressing in fast pace, both as civilization and as a society.

[Qun00]

One of Solas' amusing sneaky moments is his debate with Morrigan about the presence of a Dread Wolf statue in the Temple of Mythal.

Solas: "For all your knowledge, Lady Morrigan, you seem to give tales the weight of history. The wise don't mistake one for the other".

Morrigan: "And what meaning does our elven expert sense lurking behind this?"

Solas: "None we can discern by staring at it".

He knew that digging any deeper would raise suspicion.