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[midnight tea]

 

As for Solas not being able to kill Corypheus in his dreams.Corypheus Himself was also a dreamer who lived in a time where dreamers would kill each other, too. So I'm pretty sure Corypheus had ways to protect himself from such attacks. Either Way, Corypheus was also much more powerful than Solas at the time.

 

I don't think this has much to do with Cory being a dreamer as much as him being thoroughly Blighted. Even Cole, who reads people's mind like an open book, says that he can't read much from Corypheu's head (he's "too loud" and so on), so I assume Solas would have even bigger problem doing so, much less killing him - and that's not even mentioning that he's terrified of Blight and doesn't want to touch it with a 10 foot pole if he doesn't have to.

 

...Heck, it's actually possible that Corypheus himself doesn't really dream in the Fade and hence may be invisible to Fadewalkers - Blight is, after all, alluded to be a source of magic separate from the Fade. Corypheus himself, when he describes the period of his long slumber, makes it sound like his dreams were very dark and confusing.

[Ghost Gal]

It just annoys me that Solas gets a dishonorable mention but not, I don't know, Anders? And Isabela (although I do like her) contributed to the sacking of Kirkwall for purely selfish reasons, and she gets a place in the top. So yeah, I also got the feeling they were either more familiar with DA:I or at least greatly preferred it to the previous games.

 

Given how hated Anders is by the fandom, it's possible he didn't even make it on the "most popular character" honorary mention list because not enough people liked him enough to vote for him. =/

 

Solas being counted among the honorable(ish) mentions tells me enough people liked him enough to vote for him, but the "dishonorable mention" part was added by WatchMojo because they personally didn't like him, and/or to appease the Solas haters.

 

 Wait - Cullen beat out Solas? Cullen beat out anyone besides, like, Blackwall?

 

Was the contest about which character best resembles white bread?

 

EDIT: Watching the video, I'd say it's more that whoever put it together has an obvious penchant for the light-hearted roguish type. (Isabela, Bull, Sera, Zevran, Dorian, and Varric all fall under that heading. You could make a case for Leliana, especially in Origins. Even Shale's more comedic than complex and emotional.) If you ask me, the only characters on that list that deserve to be there are Morrigan, Cassandra and Varric (And Varric at a much lower position.). Don't know what's up with the dishonorable mention though. Is it because Solas is an antagonist? Because he's more controversial? What's the criteria there?

 

...And seriously, Cullen? 

 

I'm not really surprised about Cullen, considering he's had legions of fanboys and fangirls since the first game, and his popularity has been steadily snowballing each game, culminating in the most sickeningly sweet romance with a sappy wedding and goofy dog and overt "happily ever after" ending to date.

 

Come to think of it, I forgot that most video game players are "casuals." That is, they tend to play the video game once when it first comes out, then forget about it until the sequel comes. Then they play that, then promptly forget it. I mention this because my boyfriend and roommate are like that. (Dedicated fans like us are more rare than we like to admit.) Now that I think on it, most of WatchMojo's voters have probably played DAI most recently since it's the most recent game, so DAI characters are the characters they remember best, so they just voted on the first to pop into their head instead digging through their memory back to companions from previous games. Just my guess.

 

You definitely make a good point with "light-hearted roguish types," which I hadn't considered before. That definitely makes up a lot of DAI's roster, and explains the only companions from previous games (besides Cullen, Leli, and Morrigan) who made the list. (Shale, Isabela, and Zevran.) 

 

Dishonorable mention: I think that's just the writer(s) of WatchMojo not liking Solas and being a bad sport about how much love he gets, but it might also be because he's been revealed to be an antagonist, and/or to appease the Solas haters since he's such a divisive character.

[Steelcan]

best advice is to ignore Watchmojo, or only watch it for silly fun and not in depth analysis

[Ellawynn]

best advice is to ignore Watchmojo, or only watch it for silly fun and not in depth analysis

 

I mean, I have no idea what Watchmojo is or why I should care about who they cite as their top ten. I'm just shocked that someone - quite a few someones, if this was poll-based - decided Cullen was one of the best characters in the series. Cullen? Really? I can't even pick out anything I specifically dislike about him because his blandness collapses into a black hole in my memory. 

 

Not to insult anyone who liked Cullen. But he was just utterly forgettable to me.

[Steelcan]

I mean, I have no idea what Watchmojo is or why I should care about who they cite as their top ten. I'm just shocked that someone - quite a few someones, if this was poll-based - decided Cullen was one of the best characters in the series. Cullen? Really? I can't even pick out anything I specifically dislike about him because his blandness collapses into a black hole in my memory. 

 

Not to insult anyone who liked Cullen. But he was just utterly forgettable to me.

Well there's a Cullen fan thread that's comparable to this one in length

[Ellawynn]

Well there's a Cullen fan thread that's comparable to this one in length

 

I know! And it's equally baffling!

[DreamerM]

Not to insult anyone who liked Cullen. But he was just utterly forgettable to me.

Cullen has lived a LIFE. Tortured by blood mages, betrayed by his Knight Commander, and now... well. Sheesh. And he's had a pretty great arc from a tiny role in the first game, to a quest-giver in the second game, to a full-fledged support character by the third. Maybe in the 4th he'll be an actual party member. That's the next step, right? ... Assuming he doesn't die from lyrium poisoning, that is...

He's an interesting character, but he's a character the fans made, he was never supposed to be what he became. No way, in a series that has so many great characters in it, does he take the crown.

[Ellawynn]

Cullen has lived a LIFE. 

 

Wait, what - really? He didn't stumble out of the Disney Prince factory, pure and fully formed? Huh.

[Elessara]

Cullen has lived a LIFE. Tortured by blood mages, betrayed by his Knight Commander, and now... well. Sheesh. And he's had a pretty great arc from a tiny role in the first game, to a quest-giver in the second game, to a full-fledged support character by the third. Maybe in the 4th he'll be an actual party member. That's the next step, right? ... Assuming he doesn't die from lyrium poisoning, that is...

He's an interesting character, but he's a character the fans made, he was never supposed to be what he became. No way, in a series that has so many great characters in it, does he take the crown.

 

I think (hope) Cullen's story has run it's course.  Players got to romance him, which many have wanted to since the first game, he had development and an important role in a game (although not a companion).  And he's been in all three games, I think that's good for a Dragon Age character.

[LobselVith8]

I think (hope) Cullen's story has run it's course.  Players got to romance him, which many have wanted to since the first game, he had development and an important role in a game (although not a companion).  And he's been in all three games, I think that's good for a Dragon Age character.

 

I agree completely.

[Addictress]

Solas is the most fascinating, epic, and sexy video game character I have ever observed since I was born in 1988. Fools disagree.

[Renmiri1]

I know! And it's equally baffling!

 

 

Cullen has lived a LIFE. Tortured by blood mages, betrayed by his Knight Commander, and now... well. Sheesh. And he's had a pretty great arc from a tiny role in the first game, to a quest-giver in the second game, to a full-fledged support character by the third. Maybe in the 4th he'll be an actual party member. That's the next step, right? ... Assuming he doesn't die from lyrium poisoning, that is...

He's an interesting character, but he's a character the fans made, he was never supposed to be what he became. No way, in a series that has so many great characters in it, does he take the crown.

 

If you look at it, Cullen has a bit of Solas.. Like Solas, he has dedicated his life to work for what he believes and protect the innocent. Like Solas he has made bad mistakes but unlike Solas he examines himself and corrected his course. He loved a mage girl but when he saw what bad mages can do he went chantry. When he saw the chantry enslaving mages and being evil he left them. He conquered his addiction. 

 

Sure he may have noodle hair and look like a teen romance hero but his story has depth.

 

And rarity of rarities on Bioware games, his story has a happy ending. 

[Addictress]

Cullen ain't bad. His bit in Trespasser is a bit cliche&corny, white-picket-fence-like, of course. But the main game stuff isn't so bad. There is this fanfic where a girl from 21st century Earth accidentally travels interdimensionally into Thedas and it includes some Cullen romance and, boy, was I excited.

[Ellawynn]

 

And rarity of rarities on Bioware games, his story has a happy ending. 

 

Is that it, then? The happy ending? That would explain both why his fans like him, and why I do not share in that like. Happy endings mean nothing to me. 

 

I'd also say he's more like Alistair than anything, to the point where he was blatantly copy-cating Alistair. But where he fell flat for me is he just doesn't have half as much personality as Alistair does. I intended to romance Cullen my first playthrough, but after I actually got to know the guy... well, Solas did not have to work much at all to steal my Lavellan from him.

[DreamerM]

Wait, what - really? He didn't stumble out of the Disney Prince factory, pure and fully formed? Huh.

No, he actually didn't, believe it or not! I know the Cullenites will fight me on this, but Cullen, when we met him in the first game, was basically a joke. His awkwardness was played up for laughs, and his "flirting" options called for such an overly aggressive Warden it's easy to see they never expected anyone to take him (or his crush on MageWarden) seriously.

He's a more layred character by DA2. He still thinks all mages everywhere should be in cages, but he's not an idiot and does actually realize when Meredith is going coo coo bananas. In the end, he betrays her, and kind of redeems himself in the process.

In DA:I... well, Cullen can't be older then his early 30s, but he carries himself like an old man. He's had two faiths shattered, and now is just trying to survive and minimize the damage he does in the name of the wrong cause.

It's a compelling arc, but... It's not quite as rosy as everyone would like it to be. Cullen has advocated killing innocent people, for no reason other then he was afraid of them. He's been complicit in terrible abuses. He's still more then half Templar when it comes to his attitude. He's not the perfect disney prince some of his fangirls insist he is (I think his fixation on MageWarden is creepy, headcannon be damned) but he's no Disney prince.

.... That said, he doesn't come anywhere close to Solas, who started out the most boring member of the team and then reveals himself as the most powerful and interesting. Solas, if he lives up to the promise of trust passer, is going to be a very different kind of villain then DA has had before. He doesn't kick puppies, he's not cruel when he doesn't have to be. it will be interesting seeing him as the new Big Bad.

Nothing any other character in the series has done comes close to that reveal.

[TheyCallMeBunny]

I don't think WatchMojo's lists are poll-based from what I have seen, so it is the personal view of the people who work with the videos. I really like Cullen, I do, I'm just surprised he beat out Alistair who is a similar character but... well, to me at least Alistair seems more generally beloved by the fandom (I'm a bit on thin ice here, I am aware). And putting Solas in a dishonorable mentions just comes across as them being really salty about Trespasser. 

[Elessara]

If you look at it, Cullen has a bit of Solas.. Like Solas, he has dedicated his life to work for what he believes and protect the innocent. Like Solas he has made bad mistakes but unlike Solas he examines himself and corrected his course. He loved a mage girl but when he saw what bad mages can do he went chantry. When he saw the chantry enslaving mages and being evil he left them. He conquered his addiction. 

 

Sure he may have noodle hair and look like a teen romance hero but his story has depth.

 

And rarity of rarities on Bioware games, his story has a happy ending. 

 

Cullen *can* have a happy ending.  He can also have a fairly horrible ending.  Check out how his story ends if you encourage him to take the lyrium again.

 

I don't have anything against Cullen though.  The flirting was cute in DAO, I'm glad he developed some perspective in DA2 and he really seemed to have come into his own in DAI.  His story just seems to have run it's course.

 

I have never encouraged him to take lyrium though.  That ending ... ugh!

[Elessara]

Is that it, then? The happy ending? That would explain both why his fans like him, and why I do not share in that like. Happy endings mean nothing to me. 

 

I'd also say he's more like Alistair than anything, to the point where he was blatantly copy-cating Alistair. But where he fell flat for me is he just doesn't have half as much personality as Alistair does. I intended to romance Cullen my first playthrough, but after I actually got to know the guy... well, Solas did not have to work much at all to steal my Lavellan from him.

 

I like happy endings which is why I'm still quietly rooting for one for Solas and Lavellan.  I don't expect one of course but I'd like to see an option for a happy-ish ending.  That said, I just liked the character of Solas a lot more than Cullen which is why I enjoy the Solas romance more despite the lack of a happy ending.

 

I also don't really see how Cullen is much like Alistair.  Apart from their both being templars and sharing some vague physical appearance similarities, personality-wise they're not all that alike.

[rowrow]

No, he actually didn't, believe it or not! I know the Cullenites will fight me on this, but Cullen, when we met him in the first game, was basically a joke. His awkwardness was played up for laughs, and his "flirting" options called for such an overly aggressive Warden it's easy to see they never expected anyone to take him (or his crush on MageWarden) seriously.

He's a more layred character by DA2. He still thinks all mages everywhere should be in cages, but he's not an idiot and does actually realize when Meredith is going coo coo bananas. In the end, he betrays her, and kind of redeems himself in the process.

In DA:I... well, Cullen can't be older then his early 30s, but he carries himself like an old man. He's had two faiths shattered, and now is just trying to survive and minimize the damage he does in the name of the wrong cause.

It's a compelling arc, but... It's not quite as rosy as everyone would like it to be. Cullen has advocated killing innocent people, for no reason other then he was afraid of them. He's been complicit in terrible abuses. He's still more then half Templar when it comes to his attitude. He's not the perfect disney prince some of his fangirls insist he is (I think his fixation on MageWarden is creepy, headcannon be damned) but he's no Disney prince.

.... That said, he doesn't come anywhere close to Solas, who started out the most boring member of the team and then reveals himself as the most powerful and interesting. Solas, if he lives up to the promise of trust passer, is going to be a very different kind of villain then DA has had before. He doesn't kick puppies, he's not cruel when he doesn't have to be. it will be interesting seeing him as the new Big Bad.

Nothing any other character in the series has done comes close to that reveal.

 

While not a Cullenite, I had really hoped to hear more from him in DAI about the events of Kirkwall and the impact they had on him. I find him likeable enough, but part of me still wants him to answer .... I mean verbally, answer for the part he played in Meredith's reign of terror. I thought his arc had a lot of potential going into DAI, I'm not sure it was fully delivered on, for me. Though I never romanced him and can't be sure how much I missed. I have to say though, I wasn't a fan of the lyrium storyline. I imagine that if I had romanced him, I would have liked it even less.

[Gervaise]

The biggest hope for some semi-happy ending with Solas is that his writer PW is fond of the character himself and is now lead writer.   I wouldn't get your hopes up for a totally happy ending but saving him from himself would count for something where his romance is concerned.     I'm more interested how they deal with a male Lavellan who was his friend but has vowed to stop him at all costs because his priority is saving the world.   In my case it is not that he wants to kill Solas and would spare him if he could, but that is not his main focus; Solas' welfare is secondary to that of the fate of the world.     It is part of the reason I hated that choice at the end of Trespasser and then it being recorded in the Keep because I can see my Lavellan having words put into their mouth (rather has Hawke did) which do not actually match how their viewed he matter.

 

Even the words they gave you in game were ambiguous.   Choosing to redeem Solas was given the dialogue:  "I will prove you wrong."  In what way?    If you prove to him that he is a monster for wanting to destroy this world and thus he admits his error and repents of it, that is redeeming him.     If you simply show him that his actions are unnecessary or stop him from completing it, then he hasn't accepted his previous plan was immoral and therefore he is not "redeemed", merely convinced that the alternative is better from a practical viewpoint or is unable to fulfil his plan.   His outlook is still the same.    His response seems to suggest the latter rather than the former.   

[rowrow]

I like happy endings which is why I'm still quietly rooting for one for Solas and Lavellan.  I don't expect one of course but I'd like to see an option for a happy-ish ending.  That said, I just liked the character of Solas a lot more than Cullen which is why I enjoy the Solas romance more despite the lack of a happy ending.

 

I also don't really see how Cullen is much like Alistair.  Apart from their both being templars and sharing some vague physical appearance similarities, personality-wise they're not all that alike.

 

I feel apprehensive about hoping for a happy ending between them. It would have to be well-earned, and I'm not sure what that would take. I'm also not sure at which point I would start to feel that Solas was irredeemable, or if we have even crossed that point already, and I don't really want to find out.    A happy Solavellan ending (that doesn't involve dying together, please) seems like a lot to hope for, and I know I won't accept any cheap glossing over of what he's done and was prepared to do. It's been a while since I played Trespasser, but I sometimes feel like hoping for a good outcome for Solavellan requires some moral amnesia on Lavellan's part, and my Lavellan would never swallow that no matter how much she loves the guy. Which isn't to say that I require Solas to pay with his life, his blood, or some eternity of pain, because I don't. But if there's an option to run away together after he's burned the world down, like with Anders ... nngghh .... I don't know. I just don't.

[Elessara]

I feel apprehensive about hoping for a happy ending between them. It would have to be well-earned, and I'm not sure what that would take. I'm also not sure at which point I would start to feel that Solas was irredeemable, or if we have even crossed that point already, and I don't really want to find out.    A happy Solavellan ending (that doesn't involve dying together, please) seems like a lot to hope for, and I know I won't accept any cheap glossing over of what he's done and was prepared to do. It's been a while since I played Trespasser, but I sometimes feel like hoping for a good outcome for Solavellan requires some moral amnesia on Lavellan's part, and my Lavellan would never swallow that no matter how much she loves the guy. Which isn't to say that I require Solas to pay with his life, his blood, or some eternity of pain, because I don't. But if there's an option to run away together after he's burned the world down, like with Anders ... nngghh .... I don't know. I just don't.

 

I know the hope is a bit out there but ... eh.  I won't be frothing at the mouth ranting if we don't get one.  Like I said, not expecting it at all.  And it really would depend on how far Solas goes.  So far he hasn't done anything - yet - that would put him beyond the pale, as it were.  And running off with Anders after he blew up the Chantry always left a bad taste in my mouth which is one of the reasons I prefer the Fenris romance.

[midnight tea]

I feel apprehensive about hoping for a happy ending between them. It would have to be well-earned, and I'm not sure what that would take. I'm also not sure at which point I would start to feel that Solas was irredeemable, or if we have even crossed that point already, and I don't really want to find out.    A happy Solavellan ending (that doesn't involve dying together, please) seems like a lot to hope for, and I know I won't accept any cheap glossing over of what he's done and was prepared to do. It's been a while since I played Trespasser, but I sometimes feel like hoping for a good outcome for Solavellan requires some moral amnesia on Lavellan's part, and my Lavellan would never swallow that no matter how much she loves the guy. Which isn't to say that I require Solas to pay with his life, his blood, or some eternity of pain, because I don't. But if there's an option to run away together after he's burned the world down, like with Anders ... nngghh .... I don't know. I just don't.

 

I don't really think Solas has it in him to just.... run away together with Lavellan. So do many Lavellans I suspect. He's one of those proactive characters who can't not stay uninvolved, or not feel responsible and act on that impulse, even if it means ruin for him, his loved ones and many others - and I don't see that changing, whether we redeem him or not. Wherever the story will go, and however his plans are, I don't think it'd end up with the world just turning into Paradise - and I don't think Solas believes it as well. From his perspective he's fighting to give the world yet another chance - but there'd be a lot to do afterwards.

 

...Plus, we don't really know how accurate the description of choices are in Trespasser in relation to future narrative, but the option to redeem him pretty explicitly states that we're going to try and make him CHANGE his plans, rather than abandon them.

[Elessara]

I don't really think Solas has it in him to just.... run away together with Lavellan. So do many Lavellans I suspect. He's one of those proactive characters who can't not stay uninvolved, or not feel responsible and act on that impulse, even if it means ruin for him, his loved ones and many others - and I don't see that changing, whether we redeem him or not. Wherever the story will go, and however his plans are, I don't think it'd end up with the world just turning into Paradise - and I don't think Solas believes it as well. From his perspective he's fighting to give the world yet another chance - but there'd be a lot to do afterwards.

 

...Plus, we don't really know how accurate the description of choices are in Trespasser in relation to future narrative, but the option to redeem him pretty explicitly states that we're going to try and make him CHANGE his plans, rather than abandon them.

 

Hah yeah I definitely don't see Solas and Lavellan clasping hands and skipping off into the sunset.  And if that actually happened I imagine my reaction would be something like, "lolwut?"

[rowrow]

I don't really think Solas has it in him to just.... run away together with Lavellan. So do many Lavellans I suspect. He's one of those proactive characters who can't not stay uninvolved, or not feel responsible and act on that impulse, even if it means ruin for him, his loved ones and many others - and I don't see that changing, whether we redeem him or not. Wherever the story will go, and however his plans are, I don't think it'd end up with the world just turning into Paradise - and I don't think Solas believes it as well. From his perspective he's fighting to give the world yet another chance - but there'd be a lot to do afterwards.

 

...Plus, we don't really know how accurate the description of choices are in Trespasser in relation to future narrative, but the option to redeem him pretty explicitly states that we're going to try and make him CHANGE his plans, rather than abandon them.

 

No, you're right. I don't think Solas would be up for that either. Which is why I'm not sure I could outright kill him, either...

 

Dang it, why am I doing this to myself again? Why am I back here?

 

*Runs off to play DAO*