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While not a Cullenite, I had really hoped to hear more from him in DAI about the events of Kirkwall and the impact they had on him. I find him likeable enough, but part of me still wants him to answer .... I mean verbally, answer for the part he played in Meredith's reign of terror. I thought his arc had a lot of potential going into DAI, I'm not sure it was fully delivered on, for me. Though I never romanced him and can't be sure how much I missed. I have to say though, I wasn't a fan of the lyrium storyline. I imagine that if I had romanced him, I would have liked it even less.

 

Well, considering that JoH ignored Drakon's own antics against his neighboring city-states and the followers of other faiths, that's not really surprising that the developers kind of swept it under the rug; they're Andrastian characters, after all. There was controversy already because of Cullen's comments about mages in Kirkwall (how you can't treat them like people and how they're weapons) and being present when Meredith verbally acknowledged that Anders alone was responsible for the destruction of the Kirkwall Chantry.



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The happiest ending I can imagine for Solas is if we can convince him to change his plans, which are, ultimately, not to destroy the world, but to restore the elves to themselves. If we can find a way for elves to regain their connection to the Fade without tearing the entire Veil down, there's your happy ending. Solas gets what he wants, and the world goes on much as it has except that now there may be some very powerful elves running around (and some of them will have huge chips on their shoulders from the way their people have been treated over the centuries).

 

I think I've mentioned earlier in this thread that there are some codex entries that suggest the Veil is not a physical barrier but a matter of perception. If there was a way for individuals to break down the Veil in their own minds then Solas might like the freedom of choice that would lead to: elves like Sera could choose not to become 'true elves' if they find the idea repugnant. Those who want to be 'true elves' can work towards it. Solas would still have plenty to do guiding elves through the process of becoming 'true elves'. He could take on the role of teacher that he seems to favour, if some of Cole's remarks are anything to go by.

 

Aside from having to fend off very angry and powerful new 'true elves,' the Andrastians can keep their division of the 'real' from the 'spiritual' intact if the Veil remains intact in their own minds. The Qunari can happily continue believing that mages are weapons that need to be controlled.

 

Even if somehow my speculations are spot on (highly doubtful!) I'm not sure that the format of a video game could handle this, though, so I doubt very much that this will happen. Setting aside how such a resolution might work for Inquisitors or new protagonists of every race (why would a human or a Qunari want to help Solas make a race of superbeings with crazy magical powers?  How would a dwarf even approach such a plot?), I think quite a few fans would be disappointed. After all the buildup of Sandal's prophecy and some of OGB Kieran's comments about ushering in a new age, it would be anti-climactic if the resolution to Solas' plot arc turns out not to change much of anything in Thedas!


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The happiest ending I can imagine for Solas is if we can convince him to change his plans, which are, ultimately, not to destroy the world, but to restore the elves to themselves. If we can find a way for elves to regain their connection to the Fade without tearing the entire Veil down, there's your happy ending. Solas gets what he wants, and the world goes on much as it has except that now there may be some very powerful elves running around (and some of them will have huge chips on their shoulders from the way their people have been treated over the centuries).

 

 

 

I don't think this would work either though. Solas does state that he wants to restore the Elves but I think it's also restoring Spirits and natural world state as well. Spirits are reviled, feared. The Fade is something most people cringe at. To leave those two things as they are (Things that he loves) while only allowing Elves/perhaps humans unhindered access to it would rub him the wrong way something fierce. He might ignore that twisting anger for a little while but witnessing as Spirits continue to corrupt and forced to be slaves/bound, he would begin Veil Teardown 2.0 


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The happiest ending I can imagine for Solas is if we can convince him to change his plans, which are, ultimately, not to destroy the world, but to restore the elves to themselves. If we can find a way for elves to regain their connection to the Fade without tearing the entire Veil down, there's your happy ending. Solas gets what he wants, and the world goes on much as it has except that now there may be some very powerful elves running around (and some of them will have huge chips on their shoulders from the way their people have been treated over the centuries).

 

I think I've mentioned earlier in this thread that there are some codex entries that suggest the Veil is not a physical barrier but a matter of perception. If there was a way for individuals to break down the Veil in their own minds then Solas might like the freedom of choice that would lead to: elves like Sera could choose not to become 'true elves' if they find the idea repugnant. Those who want to be 'true elves' can work towards it. Solas would still have plenty to do guiding elves through the process of becoming 'true elves'. He could take on the role of teacher that he seems to favour, if some of Cole's remarks are anything to go by.

 

Aside from having to fend off very angry and powerful new 'true elves,' the Andrastians can keep their division of the 'real' from the 'spiritual' intact if the Veil remains intact in their own minds. The Qunari can happily continue believing that mages are weapons that need to be controlled.

 

Even if somehow my speculations are spot on (highly doubtful!) I'm not sure that the format of a video game could handle this, though, so I doubt very much that this will happen. Setting aside how such a resolution might work for Inquisitors or new protagonists of every race (why would a human or a Qunari want to help Solas make a race of superbeings with crazy magical powers?  How would a dwarf even approach such a plot?), I think quite a few fans would be disappointed. After all the buildup of Sandal's prophecy and some of OGB Kieran's comments about ushering in a new age, it would be anti-climactic if the resolution to Solas' plot arc turns out not to change much of anything in Thedas!

 

I like the idea, though it seems like Solas would have been more optimistic about the whole thing in Trespasser if he believed it were possible.

 

I can't believe that any 'restoration' would be confined to just the elves, though. Firstly, I do think Solas would try to restore all races to their true potential if he could. Second of all, can you imagine how the rest of the world would respond if all elves suddenly got their magic back? It wouldn't just be time for a new Exalted March ... it would be elves vs the Chantry, the Imperium, the Qun, everyone. Not to mention that there would probably be a lot of people of other races who would want in on the new magic-wielding status.

 

I don't know how it'll happen, but I am anticipating that Sandal's prophecy comes true. As in, I think everyone will get magic back. Even dwarves. Maybe it won't be permanent ... just long enough to upend civilization on Thedas. So much of political power is organised around who has magic and who doesn't. What would happen to cultures, religious hierarchies, empires, if everyone became a mage? (A question for DA5 maybe?)


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I'd rather not have a "synthesis"ending, but I wonder how possible it would be for people/ Elves to merge with Spirits?

 

We see the harmonious relationship between spirits and the Avaar, infact Spirits inhabit mage's bodies until they're ready. And we know spirit possession results in a form of immortality.

 

This could very well be the "3rd" option.



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I don't think this would work either though. Solas does state that he wants to restore the Elves but I think it's also restoring Spirits and natural world state as well. Spirits are reviled, feared. The Fade is something most people cringe at. To leave those two things as they are (Things that he loves) while only allowing Elves/perhaps humans unhindered access to it would rub him the wrong way something fierce. He might ignore that twisting anger for a little while but witnessing as Spirits continue to corrupt and forced to be slaves/bound, he would begin Veil Teardown 2.0 

 

I have given a lot of thought to this as well. We know that there are some places in the world where the Veil is thin. Usually that's because there's been a lot of death there so it isn't a great place for spirits to come through, as they will likely be corrupted to demons due to lingering negative emotions.

 

We also know that, in places, there are Elvhen devices that can be used to measure the Veil and also to strengthen it. Reverse engineer those, and you may be able to figure out how to weaken the Veil. It does seem possible to describe magic using mathematical equations because we find some of those left by the Qunari in the Vir Dirthara. It is logical to assume that if you can mathematically describe how the artifacts strengthen the Veil, you should be able to use algebra to figure out how to reverse that effect and possibly create a device that can weaken the Veil - without the side effect of negative emotions lingering there. Solas' artifacts had localized area effects. I think it would be possible to set up Veil weakening artifacts and create little enclaves where there is no Veil and spirits can come through unharmed. These could be communities where the new Elvhen live. They could also be centers of learning for people who want to learn more about spirits. Do I think this will actually happen in DA4 or other future DA games?  No, but it's a nice headcanon for me.  ;)

 

I like the idea, though it seems like Solas would have been more optimistic about the whole thing in Trespasser if he believed it were possible.

 

I can't believe that any 'restoration' would be confined to just the elves, though. Firstly, I do think Solas would try to restore all races to their true potential if he could. Second of all, can you imagine how the rest of the world would respond if all elves suddenly got their magic back? It wouldn't just be time for a new Exalted March ... it would be elves vs the Chantry, the Imperium, the Qun, everyone. Not to mention that there would probably be a lot of people of other races who would want in on the new magic-wielding status.

 

I don't know how it'll happen, but I am anticipating that Sandal's prophecy comes true. As in, I think everyone will get magic back. Even dwarves. Maybe it won't be permanent ... just long enough to upend civilization on Thedas. So much of political power is organised around who has magic and who doesn't. What would happen to cultures, religious hierarchies, empires, if everyone became a mage? (A question for DA5 maybe?)

 

My take on Solas' lack of optimism is that he *doesn't* think this is possible because he hasn't considered it. He is part pride demon, after all, and if you 'know' that you are 'right', your pride can blind you to other ways of doing things.

 

I honestly am not certain that humans existed prior to the Veil. I'm not sure that Qunari did, either. There just doesn't seem to be enough lore to say 'yes they were here before the Veil' or 'no, they weren't'. I wrote about this in this thread several months ago. I am pretty sure dwarves existed before the Veil, though. So 'restoring' everyone may actually only restore elves and dwarves, and may seriously harm humans and Qunari. 

 

I absolutely agree that humans would not be pleased by elves becoming magical superbeings and that it will bring trouble. I'm totally okay with humans and Qunari becoming like the Elvhen if it's possible for them, but I'm not sure that it is.

 

I'd rather not have a "synthesis"ending, but I wonder how possible it would be for people/ Elves to merge with Spirits?

 

We see the harmonious relationship between spirits and the Avaar, infact Spirits inhabit mage's bodies until they're ready. And we know spirit possession results in a form of immortality.

 

This could very well be the "3rd" option.

 

I think the Elves already ARE merged with spirits; they just don't know it. I think that is all tied into what Solas knows when he talks of the modern elves being cut off from the Fade, not knowing who they truly are, etc. He asks every Inquisitor about their spirit on the balcony scene, but as with many of his lines, it may be a bit ambiguous. Like, maybe he means a metaphorical spirit for humans, Qunari, and dwarves, but a literal one for elves. I do freely admit that my main evidence for this is from his line to a romanced Lavellan in the sad break-up option, though, when he says she has a marvellous spirit. I could be completely wrong.



#151957
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This is the Bioware Forum! We don't DO happy endings! :D


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#151958
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Art post.

 

Lavellan facing off against Solas based on the post-Trespasser dark!Solas/dark!Lavellan AU fic, A Constellation in Blood.

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Source: http://an-amethyst-m...tinyapostasys-a

 

A special snowflake Lavellan and Fen'Harel from the crackfic, The Epic Tale of Fen'Dalen. :P

(As per the author, the fic purposefully contains a trash pile of tropes often used in a lot of Solavellan fics. And it's quite the read. ^__^;  )

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Source: http://anachromystic...ale-of-fendalen

 

Some Solas doodles.

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Source: http://joohoney.tumb...s-that-solas-is


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<snip>

 

He is part pride demon, after all ...

 

We don't actually know this?  I mean, it's a theory and there are statements made in game by other characters that support the theory that Solas was a spirit who took on physical form but despite his name, if this theory is correct, we don't actually know what type of spirit he might have been.  And I don't even necessarily disagree with the theory myself it's just there's been no real confirmation one way or the other.


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This is the Bioware Forum! We don't DO happy endings! :D

 

Shush you!  :P



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I have given a lot of thought to this as well. We know that there are some places in the world where the Veil is thin. Usually that's because there's been a lot of death there so it isn't a great place for spirits to come through, as they will likely be corrupted to demons due to lingering negative emotions.

 

We also know that, in places, there are Elvhen devices that can be used to measure the Veil and also to strengthen it. Reverse engineer those, and you may be able to figure out how to weaken the Veil. It does seem possible to describe magic using mathematical equations because we find some of those left by the Qunari in the Vir Dirthara. It is logical to assume that if you can mathematically describe how the artifacts strengthen the Veil, you should be able to use algebra to figure out how to reverse that effect and possibly create a device that can weaken the Veil - without the side effect of negative emotions lingering there. Solas' artifacts had localized area effects. I think it would be possible to set up Veil weakening artifacts and create little enclaves where there is no Veil and spirits can come through unharmed. These could be communities where the new Elvhen live. They could also be centers of learning for people who want to learn more about spirits. Do I think this will actually happen in DA4 or other future DA games?  No, but it's a nice headcanon for me.   ;)

 

 

I don't believe its the negative emotions residing in a place that corrupt Spirits (could be wrong, its been awhile since I played origins), its people's perception and Spirits who accidentally/forced through the Veil when they don't have enough 'them'. Where thinning the Veil all round would be a concession and probably be the most peaceful option, its not a realistic one. I think this is why humans/non-elves feel sick walking around the crossroads. No Veil would alter your state of being, your very perception of reality. This would majorly mess with anyone and since crossroads might be the closest thing to No Veil world, it would explain why non-elves feel bad being there and Elves feel weird but rejuvenated. Imagine being deaf your whole life then someone implants a hearing device and you suddenly hear for the first time but times that by like a thousand. 

 

Honestly I believe it is very much a black and white scenario with the Veil, anything else is band-aiding and an attempt to make everyone happy (*ducks the incomming stones*). Veil down or Veil made to be permanent. Both have consequences, good and bad, but not inherently evil. Myahele might have posed the most realistic mitigation for the Veil's removal I've seen. Infuse everyone with Spirits just before Veil is torn down. Just like they help Avvar mages, they could help guide and control these new aspects of people's selves that they suddenly have access to.

 

pfffbtt...Idk, my two cents :?



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I think the Elves already ARE merged with spirits; they just don't know it. I think that is all tied into what Solas knows when he talks of the modern elves being cut off from the Fade, not knowing who they truly are, etc. He asks every Inquisitor about their spirit on the balcony scene, but as with many of his lines, it may be a bit ambiguous. Like, maybe he means a metaphorical spirit for humans, Qunari, and dwarves, but a literal one for elves. I do freely admit that my main evidence for this is from his line to a romanced Lavellan in the sad break-up option, though, when he says she has a marvellous spirit. I could be completely wrong.

 

Maybe that's what the purpose of Uthenera is then? Assuming Elves are naturally merged/ intuned with their spirits.

 

I am reminded of the nature spirit growing weary of the world and wish to return; she initially wanted to see the real world, now she's satisfied, but Zathrian won't let her.

 

In other words, the sleep and go back to the fade and if they wish they'd return to their bodies. Though it seems such a practice is probably used by the nobility since slaves all had ___ tasks to do.



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I like happy endings which is why I'm still quietly rooting for one for Solas and Lavellan.  I don't expect one of course but I'd like to see an option for a happy-ish ending.  That said, I just liked the character of Solas a lot more than Cullen which is why I enjoy the Solas romance more despite the lack of a happy ending.

 

I also don't really see how Cullen is much like Alistair.  Apart from their both being templars and sharing some vague physical appearance similarities, personality-wise they're not all that alike.

 

I don't have any real preference for or against happy endings. I like them well enough when they feel earned, but all too often happy endings are too... perfect. Like the universe just decides to align and solve all the characters' problems. But then I'm not the biggest fan of the grimdark, "lol everyone dies" type of endings either. Bittersweet endings are the best, in my book. You lose something, you gain something, life goes on.

 

I'll take whatever PW deigns to give us, as far as Solavellan goes. Happy, sad, whatever - so long as it feels earned. 

 

As for Alistair and Cullen - well, both are goody-two-shoes warrior types, former Templars, wary of mages and especially blood magic, obsessed with duty, somewhat shy in matters of love, have that cliche Disney style romance (Complete with cliche Disney style ending with Cullen.) and serve as blatant Mr Fanservice. 

 

But Alistair makes it work for me, partially because he's got way more personality, and partially because his romance is a beautifully painful subversion of the classic fairy tale plot. (Well unless you play as Cousland, but I found Cousland to be the most boring Origin so....) Cullen, on the other hand, feels like Alistair with all his humor and character sucked out, and his rather clever storyline replaced with some lackluster detox plot.

 

I was excited for Cullen's inclusion in Inquisition because I thought they'd expand on his character. If you ask me, they didn't. It's the same, superficial side character from DA2 and Origins, just with a more complex storyline.

 

 

The biggest hope for some semi-happy ending with Solas is that his writer PW is fond of the character himself and is now lead writer.   I wouldn't get your hopes up for a totally happy ending but saving him from himself would count for something where his romance is concerned.     I'm more interested how they deal with a male Lavellan who was his friend but has vowed to stop him at all costs because his priority is saving the world.   In my case it is not that he wants to kill Solas and would spare him if he could, but that is not his main focus; Solas' welfare is secondary to that of the fate of the world.     It is part of the reason I hated that choice at the end of Trespasser and then it being recorded in the Keep because I can see my Lavellan having words put into their mouth (rather has Hawke did) which do not actually match how their viewed he matter.

 

Even the words they gave you in game were ambiguous.   Choosing to redeem Solas was given the dialogue:  "I will prove you wrong."  In what way?    If you prove to him that he is a monster for wanting to destroy this world and thus he admits his error and repents of it, that is redeeming him.     If you simply show him that his actions are unnecessary or stop him from completing it, then he hasn't accepted his previous plan was immoral and therefore he is not "redeemed", merely convinced that the alternative is better from a practical viewpoint or is unable to fulfil his plan.   His outlook is still the same.    His response seems to suggest the latter rather than the former.   

 

You know, I'm like 98% sure there are extenuating (And probably somewhat redeeming) circumstances to Solas' decision to tear down the Veil. Cole's comments after you break up, plus his own blatant refusal to explain his reasoning, shows me that there's more here than "I think immortality is neat and will kill literally everyone to have it." He's trying to save something or someone - not just an idea, not restoration of something that's gone and can stay gone. Someone somewhere's "masked in a mirror," and if Solas straight up abandoned his plans and just had elf babies with Lavellan, they'd probably be doomed to suffer for eternity. 

 

It may not go so far as justifying Solas' plans. But the alternative of simply giving up and going home isn't really morally tenable either. No matter what he does, he's going to be the villain to someone.



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I don't have any real preference for or against happy endings. I like them well enough when they feel earned, but all too often happy endings are too... perfect. Like the universe just decides to align and solve all the characters' problems. But then I'm not the biggest fan of the grimdark, "lol everyone dies" type of endings either. Bittersweet endings are the best, in my book. You lose something, you gain something, life goes on.

 

 

 

I get that.  And I'd have to say I agree with all of this.  Cullen's romance was sweet and happy but ... hollow?  Superficial?  Other than the "drugs are bad, mmkay" bit there wasn't a great deal of effort involved, not even for a mage.



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Silly Rabbit, only Andrastian humans get happy endings!  :P

 

(Cullen's romance gets a happy ending because he's an Andrastian human. Solas is an ancient elf and Lavellan is a *gasp* Dalish elf, so they get sorrow and heartbreak.)


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Silly Rabbit, only Andrastian humans get happy endings!  :P

 

(Cullen's romance gets a happy ending because he's an Andrastian human. Solas is an ancient elf and Lavellan is a *gasp* Dalish elf, so they get sorrow and heartbreak.)

 

I resent that, Fenris was an elf (albeit an Andrastian one) and he and my Hawke had an adorable end to their romance (I swear Bioware, if you try to break them up again... I will cry).  :crying:



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I resent that, Fenris was an elf (albeit an Andrastian one) and he and my Hawke had an adorable end to their romance (I swear Bioware, if you try to break them up again... I will cry).  :crying:

 

Exactly, he's an Andrastian. While he's biologically an elf, culturally he's a human slave who feels nothing but contempt for other elves.

 

To me, he falls under the category of "Andrastian human who happens to have pointed ears," like Sera. They get happy endings (Fenris and Hawke happy together, Sera a dazzling wedding with her Inky), while cultural elves like Merrill and Solas get their spirits broken, get the "lesson" that they're bad/stupid/wrong for trying to recover the past (Merrill trying to restore the Eluvian, Solas trying to restore Elvhenan) at best. I'm not ruling out Solas being dead by the end of next game, either.


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Exactly, he's an Andrastian. While he's biologically an elf, culturally he's a human slave who feels nothing but contempt for other elves.

 

To me, he falls under the category of "Andrastian human who happens to have pointed ears," like Sera. They get happy endings (Fenris and Hawke happy together, Sera a dazzling wedding with her Inky), while cultural elves like Merrill and Solas get their spirits broken, get the "lesson" that they're bad/stupid/wrong for trying to recover the past (Merrill trying to restore the Eluvian, Solas trying to restore Elvhenan) at best. I'm not ruling out Solas being dead by the end of next game, either.

 

I respect Merrill trying to do something to put an end to the decline of the People. I honestly wish she was in Inquisition; it would've been nice to hear her banter with Solas, to hear her conversations with Cole, to speak with someone who was positive about Dalish culture and represented some of the best of the People. She would have made so much sense in the narrative, given her own experience in building an Eluvian and studying the lore.

 

I think it would have been good to conclude her Eluvian arc. Merrill has always talked about the importance of uncovering the past. "My people have lost so much. We know almost nothing of the days before Arlathan. This is a piece of our history."

 

Imagine her reaction to finding out that Arlathan existed, that the ancient elves were immortal, that the ancients did wield magic, that the Creators were real, that there was a war between the Creators and the Forgotten Ones, and that Fen'Harel did trap the Creators. After giving so much of herself to researching Eluvian lore and building her own Eluvian because she wanted to help empower the People, to finally walk in the ancient creation of the Crossroads and step into the Temple of Mythal would have been quite interesting, especially alongside a fellow Dalish elf.



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Exactly, he's an Andrastian. While he's biologically an elf, culturally he's a human slave who feels nothing but contempt for other elves.

 

To me, he falls under the category of "Andrastian human who happens to have pointed ears," like Sera. They get happy endings (Fenris and Hawke happy together, Sera a dazzling wedding with her Inky), while cultural elves like Merrill and Solas get their spirits broken, get the "lesson" that they're bad/stupid/wrong for trying to recover the past (Merrill trying to restore the Eluvian, Solas trying to restore Elvhenan) at best. I'm not ruling out Solas being dead by the end of next game, either.

 

Sorry, I thought the emphasis was on elves getting bad endings to their romances. My bad.  :)

 

Well, the Sebastian romance was as Andrastian as it could possibly be, and that could go completely sideways... and even if it didn't many would have to be content with a chaste marriage.  :P



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Exactly, he's an Andrastian. While he's biologically an elf, culturally he's a human slave who feels nothing but contempt for other elves.

 

To me, he falls under the category of "Andrastian human who happens to have pointed ears," like Sera. They get happy endings (Fenris and Hawke happy together, Sera a dazzling wedding with her Inky), while cultural elves like Merrill and Solas get their spirits broken, get the "lesson" that they're bad/stupid/wrong for trying to recover the past (Merrill trying to restore the Eluvian, Solas trying to restore Elvhenan) at best. I'm not ruling out Solas being dead by the end of next game, either.

I would argue against Fenris having an objectively happier romance ending than Merrill.



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I would argue against Fenris having an objectively happier romance ending than Merrill.

 

I think it's more along the lines of Merrill being prohibited from fulfilling her goal in restoring technology that could be beneficial to her people while Fenris is able to, at the very least, uncover pieces of his past as Leto.



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Sorry, I thought the emphasis was on elves getting bad endings to their romances. My bad.  :)

 

Well, the Sebastian romance was as Andrastian as it could possibly be, and that could go completely sideways... and even if it didn't many would have to be content with a chaste marriage.  :P

 

Well, that is the case in DAI. 

 

Solas the ancient elf? Unavoidable sad ending.

 

Everyone else? Potential for happy endings.

 

Cullen and Sera the Andrastian humans (the latter of whom happens to have pointed ears)? Mushy wedding!



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I think it's more along the lines of Merrill being prohibited from fulfilling her goal in restoring technology that could be beneficial to her people while Fenris is able to, at the very least, uncover pieces of his past as Leto.

I think that was less to screw over Merrill and more because the eluvians were reserved for a different plot, though it was annoying.

 

 

Well, that is the case in DAI. 

 

Solas the ancient elf? Unavoidable sad ending.

 

Everyone else? Potential for happy endings.

 

Cullen and Sera the Andrastian humans (the latter of whom happens to have pointed ears)? Mushy wedding!

Hey, Solas' story isn't over.



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LobselVith8

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I think that was less to screw over Merrill and more because the eluvians were reserved for a different plot, though it was annoying.

 

Considering Merrill spent close to a decade painstakingly researching the Eluvians and building one from a single shard, only for the Eluvian to remain inert and for her surrogate mother to perish because Marethari was too prideful, I'd say that it's apt to say that she was screwed over.

 

Hey, Solas' story isn't over.

 

Admittedly, we have seen what happened to the City Elf Warden as Bann and the Dalish Boon. Being a bit pessimistic about a future elven plot is sensible.



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I think that was less to screw over Merrill and more because the eluvians were reserved for a different plot, though it was annoying.

 

They certainly went out of their way to break her heart and crush her spirit while they were at it. Marethari dies horribly saying she saved Merrill from the fate she just suffered, Merrill cries over her body, every companion except Isabela and Varric kick her while she's down, then her entire clan attacks her and has to get slaughtered unless Hawke throws Merrill under the bus and says they'll watch over her to keep her from killing everyone else. In the end, she's so heart-broken she either shatters the mirror or puts the drape over it because she realized how stupid it was to try to repair it in the first place, or how stupid for trying to help people who were never worth the trouble to begin with. (Read: Dalish).

 

Elfy Elf? Punished.

 

Hey, Solas' story isn't over.

 

Oh, like it's going to end happily.

 

Weekes himself said, "Solas' story is not a happy one."