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Art post.

 

'DA4, Prologue' by umabbas. Sad Solavellan. :(

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Source: http://umabbas.tumbl...hats-right-just

 

'Dead End'. Sketch version of the above. 

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Source: http://umabbas.tumbl...i-quite-dislike

 

Sketch of Solas and Lavellan.

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Source: http://jessthenoob.t...ver-be-stuck-in

 

A focus on Solas and Lavellan's clothes.

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Source: http://tyrphi.tumblr...-detail-clothes

 

Iron Bull, Blackwall, Solas, Dorian, and Cullen.

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Source: http://oriental-lady...up-flying-heads


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So... short of an Inquisitor cameo in a kiss scene with Solas, what would satisfy you guys concerning solavellan content in DA4?

Solas saying "Vhenan is waiting for me" before he bids goodbye to the new Hero?

I have no attachment to any particular Solavellan content. I just hope to pursue that content *as* my Lavellan. 

 

PW did mention on Twitter a while back that the romance could be perceived as "hopeful". I think that's interesting, but I don't have any attachments to what that may mean or not mean. I'm just looking forward to the continuation of the story. 



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Tea?!  Bah!  I can only stand hot tea with copious amounts of sugar.  I don't drink coffee at all, that's even worse.  And yes, I know I'm about to be stoned to death for saying that lol.

 

I bet Solas would hate coffee more than tea!

 

I am trying to imagine Solas' reaction to drinking Red Bull or Monster energy drinks....Wonder how cranky he might be ?



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I live in California. I forget what rain even is.

So very thirsty...

Plz send water bottle.

 

Also Solas is cool.

 

I live in Malaysia. It rains like cats and dogs here often. I had to walk through heavy rain to get to my workplace because my parents took the car.

 

Now I am in my workplace. It is fully air-conditioned and I just came in half drenched. Useless umbrella is not totally useless I suppose.

 

I fully expect myself to get flu by tonight.

 

Also Solas is interesting.
 


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Hello again, Solas fans, I thought I'd just pop in with a bit of trivia and a theory for everyone to have fun with.   I was reading World of Thedas 2 again last night and the page happened to fall open on the entry "Where the Willows Wail." p.201.   I'd read it before but it hadn't really sunk in.  So it first refers to a human lullaby that is local to Denerim and the villages in the south which scholars had originally catalogued as a "war poem" of the Alamarri.  It then goes on to say that recent excavations at the newly discovered Temple of Mythal (clearly the one in the Arbor Wilds) revealed an earlier elven connection.   There is then the elven version given and the rough translation.  Now this clearly shows it was about Solas and the dropping of the  Veil:

 

"We/it lost eternity, the ruined tree of the People,

Time won't help when the land of dreams is no longer our journey.

We try to lead despite the eventual failing of our markings.

To the inevitable and troubling freedom we are committed.

When we could no longer believe, we lost glory to war.

When the wolf failed/won, we lost the People to war.

 

The variant on the translation in the last line is clearly because the scholars aren't sure which translation is correct but in fact either could be.   The wolf did win in his battle with the Evanuris but he also failed because of what happened to the elves as a result.    So how did an elven lament wind up in an Alamarri war poem?  This is where it gets interesting.   Andraste was allegedly born in Denerim, the location of her father's tribe but her mother Brona was from the Ciriane to the west of the Frostbacks in the area of the Dales.    That would be interesting enough but then I looked back at the actual elven and saw the word: "Glandival, which is clearly the stem of the word "Glandivalis", the sword of Shartan that originally belonged to Andraste's mother.    The word seems to correspond with the translated word "believe", so it is possible that Glandivalis means "keep the faith" or "keep believing", possibly in the cause of freedom, since in the poem it is clear when the people could no longer believe in their gods, as Fen'Harel taught, they were plunged into war to gain their freedom which resulted in the loss of the glory of their empire and the People as they originally were.  

 

Last theory.   What if Glandivalis was originally the sword of Fen'Harel, that he used when guardian of Mythal (may be even given by her) and which he continued to carry after her death, but was possibly lost at some point?    Or may be he did cast it aside in despair at what he had done.    In which case, did Andraste actually know the story of the sword, at least so far as the elven folk tale was concerned about the trickster warrior who fought against tyrants?    We never were told the origins of the sword or why Andraste's mother would have had an elven sword but it is quite possible that it was found in the Dales.   Could Brona have even been elf bloodied and the sword was an heirloom of the elven side of the family?    Andraste certainly did have a great affinity with the elves.   It is said she cried for days having spent time on Sundermount, the site of the elves last stand against Tevinter.    Was giving Shartan the sword not simply a nice gesture but a significant one, considering her words are said to have been: "Take this, my champion and free our people forever."  The land that was promised to the elves would have likely been held originally by Brona's people and thus in a way they were Andraste's to give.  May be they did belong wholly to her family.   Maferath could not betray the promise or he would have lost the allegiance of the Ciriane.

 

Shartan could not have been Solas since Shartan was killed, along with 100 of his fellow elves, trying to save Andraste from the stake.   This act is still part of the official Chant because his identity is concealed by giving him the name the Liberator.  They were struck down with arrows but their bodies were likely burnt at the site because the Dalish account in DAO states that their heroes died alongside Andraste, unmourned in the bonfires of the Imperium, so this would appear to collaborate the account.   No doubt the Tevinter burned Andraste and the elves' bodies because they didn't want any likelihood of some helpful spirit resurrecting them.   So Solas could not have been Shartan because he would have to have become a wisp and then found a new host body, which he categorically denies is the case.   However, Glandivalis could have been his sword,   There seem too many links between characters for this not to have been the case.

 

So, what do you think?


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Speaking of Glandavalis, what was it doing with that Pride Demon in Dragon Age 2? Was it the real sword or a copy, like the Blade of Mercy or the Shield of Ser Aveline?



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I think it was implied that it was the real deal.   When Shartan fell who knows what became of the sword.   May be a Magister picked it up as a trophy and then took it south to Kirkwall.    Then used it in a trade with Hubris or simply got killed by him.   Hence it having the sword in its possession.

 

Of course the other curious thing about Glandivalis is that it mimics blood magic mind control if you strike lucky.



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I'm going to continue hoping that we have the option to import our Inquisitors as the protag for the next game.

 

It would make all sorts of narrative sense, and Mike Laidlaw said they'd consider who the new protag would be on a game to game basis.

 

So maybe the Inquisitor, now depowered and equipped with a basic prosthetic on their residual limb, comes back to finish what Solas started. I honestly don't think the story, or at least any plot thread relating to Solas, will be satisfying without the (former) Inquisitor dealing with him.

 

I don't know how much hope I hold out for that  =\ 

 

I mean, I *want* the Inquisitor to be the protagonist who deals with Solas but I just don't know if that will happen.  But, I can also see how the next game could almost be a chess match ... Solas's agents vs. the Inquisitor's agents (or former Inquisitor).  And then we play as the Inquisitor's agent in DA4 or at the very least we play as someone who gets recruited by the Inquisitor because of what we do in the next game.  But storywise it just makes more sense - to me - if the Inquisitor is the one who stops Solas directly as they've already been built up that way.

 

Although, if there's only some random mention from Solas about going off to be with Lavellan then there darn well better be some terrible joke about Solas being in the dog house because of what he had planned.   :P


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I personally am very interested in the third line. "We try to lead despite the eventual failing of our markings." I can only imagine it means vallaslin, but how exactly did it fail? Does it imply that a slave or servant marked with vallaslin was subject to the whims of those that commanded them, but after the Veil was created this power was lost? Or perhaps it is more metaphorical, as in those few that tried to lead the Elves after the Veil were unsuccessful, and thus they dissolved into war?



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IHaveReturned1999

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What? No. Who told you that the Greeks copied off of the Egyptians in terms of gods? Because that's not factual.

http://www.sacred-te...stle/stle08.htm

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I actually think it is one of the most insightful  writings into how those who actually supported Fen'Harel felt about events.   The memories in the library were all about panic, confusion, horror and bitterness.   Those people seem to know Solas was responsible for their plight and hated him for it.   This poem is more nuanced and stoically resigned to their fate.   They wanted their freedom, fought for it and must now live with the consequences the best they can.   That 3rd line is interesting though because it would seem to refer to the vallaslin and people have speculated that may be the gods could control their followers and slaves in some way through them, which would mean that Fen'Harel removing them was not simply symbolic but essential.    As the writing was found in the Temple of Mythal and the people in it did have markings, does this indicated that these were the servants of Mythal and thus confirms that either she was working with him in the fight for freedom or some of her followers joined his cause after her death?  

 

I think the last two lines refer to the fact that when they could no longer believe in the gods, then they joined the rebellion and the glory of the empire suffered as a result, then when Solas raised the Veil the People, who were already lost to what they once were, continued to fight one another in civil war, as Abelas said, and what remained of the empire was destroyed, leaving just small isolated communities.


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http://www.sacred-te...stle/stle08.htm

its like you actively seek out ridiculous sources.

Regardless though, you will find similarities between the religions of most bronze and iron age cultures.

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IHaveReturned1999

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its like you actively seek out ridiculous sources.
Regardless though, you will find similarities between the religions of most bronze and iron age cultures.

Then prove me wrong.
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I always thought "regenerating liver" was... awfully specific. Why the liver, of all organs??
 

Let's just say the Greeks drank a LOT of wine... :D



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Also, supposedly liver tastes good. 

 

My biology classes ensured I'll never be able to eat liver, even if I wanted to.  :sick:


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Tea?! Bah! I can only stand hot tea with copious amounts of sugar. I don't drink coffee at all, that's even worse. And yes, I know I'm about to be stoned to death for saying that lol.

I bet Solas would hate coffee more than tea!


I love coffee. Um... with sugar, of course. But once you add that, it tastes delicious.

Also, supposedly liver tastes good.

My biology classes ensured I'll never be able to eat liver, even if I wanted to. :sick:


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Then prove me wrong.

so you can spout more nonsense? Move the goal posts?

Theres little purpose in engaging you seriously

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so you can spout more nonsense? Move the goal posts?
Theres little purpose in engaging you seriously

Then why are you even talking to me? And stalking me on top of that.
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Then why are you even talking to me? And stalking me on top of that.

because at the very least you need to be called out on your ridiculous ideas, and its not stalking, I check this thread occasionally, more so given the prevalence of elf discussion going on right now

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because at the very least you need to be called out on your ridiculous ideas, and its not stalking, I check this thread occasionally, more so given the prevalence of elf discussion going on right now

You just want to fight about a whole lot of nothing.
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Girls, girls... you're both pretty. Can we get back to agonizing over the egg?
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Then why are you even talking to me? And stalking me on top of that.

 

Responding to someone on public forum is not "stalking".

 

Also - citing one random book as "proof" hardly constitutes as one. In fact the book you've linked is one from 62 years ago, where ONE historian proposes a hypothesis about Greek mythology being "stolen" from Egyptians, and from what I know the book is not treated seriously as a scholarly source, and circulated mostly in circles not really having much to do with actual scholarly research.

 

Anyway, from literature I've read it's pretty apparent that *both* nations crossed paths and borrowed elements of each other across many ages, which is natural to every culture and religion - but a lot of elements of Greek and Egyptian mythology has not been mixed in times of antiquity, but somewhat later.

 

Basically, the whole Greek-Egyptian thing appears to be a legacy of Hermeticism - a hotchpotch of various beliefs slowly sewn together since times of late antiquity to create a peculiar syncretic, esoteric philosophy that has greatly influenced Europe during times of Renaissance and Reformation (Renaissance was a time where Europeans were wildly fascinated with antiquity and created, mixed or conflated many myths and traditions, which even now we oftentimes confuse for myths and traditions as they were during times of antiquity).

 

Anyway... these traditions are believed by hermetics to be based on writings attributed to Hermes Trismegistus (Thrice Great Hermes) that was basically a syncretic combination of Hermes and Thoth.


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It's not worth engaging him. He's been perma banned once already.

 

Anyway, smiling Solas.

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It's not worth engaging him. He's been perma banned once already.

 

Anyway, smiling Solas.

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Crows feet!


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I don't know how much hope I hold out for that  =\ 

 

I mean, I *want* the Inquisitor to be the protagonist who deals with Solas but I just don't know if that will happen.  But, I can also see how the next game could almost be a chess match ... Solas's agents vs. the Inquisitor's agents (or former Inquisitor).  And then we play as the Inquisitor's agent in DA4 or at the very least we play as someone who gets recruited by the Inquisitor because of what we do in the next game.  But storywise it just makes more sense - to me - if the Inquisitor is the one who stops Solas directly as they've already been built up that way.

 

Although, if there's only some random mention from Solas about going off to be with Lavellan then there darn well better be some terrible joke about Solas being in the dog house because of what he had planned.   :P

 

I'd be cool with a dual protagonist system, even one that favors the new protagonist as the "actual" one, and just switches to the Inquisitor for the occasional half hour of story or so. I think under that system, they could still keep the Inquisitor mostly in the background while still allowing them to be the one who deals with Solas. This goes doubly true if, as some speculate, Qunari/Tevinter are at the forefront in DA4 and Solas is mostly working in the background himself. The majority of the story could focus on them dealing with Tevinter, allowing them their own narrative and choices without stealing them from the Inquisitor. Maybe do some investigations on Solas or deal with some of his agents, while any confrontation with Solas himself is handled with the Inquisitor.

 

But it'd just be a serious narrative misstep if they leave someone else to deal with him and give the Inquisitor hardly any sense of resolution at all. Like, "Sorry Harry, but Neville knifed Lord Voldemort off screen" levels of serious. I don't have a whole lot of faith in BioWare anymore, but I like to think they have more sense than that.


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