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[Gervaise]

Wouldn't be the first time that later lore seemed to contradict earlier plotlines.     Look at them seemingly ignoring the whole plotline of DAA with respect to the Wardens.   Clarel's letter makes it sound as though Vigil's Keep never happened and she and Teagan are fixated on the ancient history of Sophie Drydan instead of the much more recent example of the Monarchy and the Grey Wardens co-operating in involving them in secular politics.  

 

Anyway, they could argue that the Architect only thought that Urthemiel was uncorrupted when he got there.   May be it was simply that he was sleeping and the ritual awoke him, so it looked to the Architect as though he was responsible but in fact he wasn't.    You have to admit it sounds a bit odd that the Old God should be infected that quickly by a simple touch.   Given the Joining Ritual involves a potion you have to drink down, what was the Architect doing, pouring it into the sleeping God's mouth?    These things are said to unpredictable by their vary nature anyway because of what is involved.   Just because the reversed joining works on a creature like a darkspawn, doesn't mean it will be equally effective on something like an Old God.    Also for the reverse joining to work, the creature would surely need to be infected already?   That was the case with the other sentient darkspawn..   So what exactly did the Architect think was going to happen if he was giving the reverse joining to a non-tainted creature?   

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

Maybe the "worshiping" (which may not have actually been worshiping in the first place but let's go with it) involved blighting the old god? Like how there's a certain process to creating broodmothers.

[TheyCallMeBunny]

I would like to think that all the Archdemons were already tainted (to me it would fit that they were hidden away because they were too powerfull to be left unleashed) but again, they would have to come up with some rather convoluted explanations to make everything fit. Damn stupid sexy Solas for probably knowing everything and not telling us anything...   

[Arvaarad]

Came to this thread expecting crazy (but fun) over-analysis of the wolf drawing that Matt Rhodes tweeted. Did I miss it?

[TheyCallMeBunny]

Came to this thread expecting crazy (but fun) over-analysis of the wolf drawing that Matt Rhodes tweeted. Did I miss it?

 

Saw it, but could not really draw any conclusions from it... but Weekes seemed excited. Is that a good thing? Not sure... 

[NightSymphony]

Matt Rhodes posted it on Deviant Art too

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http://mattrhodesart...olves-622124708

[Elessara]

Matt Rhodes posted it on Deviant Art too

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http://mattrhodesart...olves-622124708

 

Hmm ... yeah, not even sure how it could be Solas related other than wolves?  Unless I'm just missing something?  Not that it isn't great (it is), I just don't see a connection.  Maybe Weekes just likes it.

[midnight tea]

Hmm ... yeah, not even sure how it could be Solas related other than wolves?  Unless I'm just missing something?  Not that it isn't great (it is), I just don't see a connection.  Maybe Weekes just likes it.

 

I think it's more of a "oooh, Matt Rhodes has been studying wolves - I wonder what he has been studying wolves for, hmmmmmm..... *wink-wink, nudge-nudge*"

 

Then there's Mr. Weekes, reacting appropriately

https://twitter.com/...532442464198656

[NightSymphony]

hehheheehe

 

Pyro Ryder ‏@MamaNeeda 12h12 hours ago

@PatrickWeekes @MattRhodesArt Well now I'm filled with Dread. I'm sorry. I've been drinking, so that's the best I could come up with.

 

DragonRacer ‏@TiffanyMLowe 3h3 hours ago Florida, USA

@MamaNeeda @PatrickWeekes @MattRhodesArt Lavellan wanted to be filled with Dread, too, but we all know how THAT turned out...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[TheyCallMeBunny]

 

hehheheehe

 

Pyro Ryder ‏@MamaNeeda 12h12 hours ago

@PatrickWeekes @MattRhodesArt Well now I'm filled with Dread. I'm sorry. I've been drinking, so that's the best I could come up with.

 

DragonRacer ‏@TiffanyMLowe 3h3 hours ago Florida, USA

@MamaNeeda @PatrickWeekes @MattRhodesArt Lavellan wanted to be filled with Dread, too, but we all know how THAT turned out...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh my...

 

Edit* I guess this one shows my reaction more truthfully...

 

[ladyiolanthe]

I didn't read anything DA4-related into it, except that yeah, he could be studying wolves to start storyboarding DA4, maybe.

 

That being said, I was highly amused by the large black wolf with magical fire powers glaring at the small but proud white wolf, since my non-mage Lavellan's name means 'white wolf' and I can imagine just such a confrontation between her and Solas if/when she gets the chance to try to talk some sense into him. "Posture all you like: you'll listen to me or you'll kill me. What difference does it make if I die now, since you've already basically told me you're killing me if you succeed in your plans."

[Arvaarad]

Saw it, but could not really draw any conclusions from it... but Weekes seemed excited. Is that a good thing? Not sure...

Yeah, it's probably just a practice drawing. However...

There's no need for rational, well-supported conclusions. We're the BSN, wheeeeeee.

So here goes my totally unfounded speculations:

1. the drawing looks a bit like an altar. Could be an interesting callback to the Sundermount bit with Flemeth. Wonder what the significance of altars are to the evanuris? Do they serve a specific purpose? There were shrines to Fen'Harel, do any of them feature in rituals, the way Mythal's did?
2. The inclusion of flames is interesting, since there seems to be a connection between the elven gods and dragons/fire generally. Flemeth can do the dragon thing. It's heavily implied that Sylaise can too. There's a Vir Dirthara codex about some person taking the form of the gods, and I think wings were mentioned. Elgar'nan is associated with smiting folks with the sun. I kind of expect there to be a big scene with Solas shapeshifting and here it comes a giant wo- oh, nope, that's a dragon.

[Tanyara]

The only "connection" I can think of is that Fiona was impregnated by someone who had "dragon blood" in his veins

First spontaneous thought reading this: "Dragon j**z cures all"  (slaps self)

Sorry to de-lurk in this way (giggly and a bit drunk)....anywayyy....hello again favourite thread! 

 

 

On a serious note though, it has always seemed very very odd to me that the Grey Wardens didn't jump on the chance to research a potential cure for the blight since Fiona was un-tainted. Sure, the oldest warden is usually the one to sacrifice themselves when an archdemon appears and thus must have an "active" taint. But what about all these wardens between the blights that has to die in the deep roads when the blight has spread too far in them or if a warden is so old that he can't fight well anyway. Or if a warden sustains an injury that makes him unable to fight. Sure, it would have to be regulated/approved by the warden commanders or the guys in Weisshaupt if it were to happen, but it would lessen the stigma of becoming a warden. Even if the cure were to be rarely used, the knowledge of a cure existing might still convince more to join since it is possible it wouldn't be for life. (if the Joining were to be public knowledge that is)

 

And maybe it would also give some insights on how the blight actually works. It is a bit of inconsistency I can't get over 

[Gervaise]

When I closed the blog specifically about the wolf, it went to the main page and on 14 July he was talking about finishing the first draft to something.   Anybody more familiar with PW know what that is?    Could he possibly be writing another book for the setting?    I'd really go for that as something to fill the time until the next game.

[TheyCallMeBunny]

First spontaneous thought reading this: "Dragon j**z cures all"  (slaps self)

Sorry to de-lurk in this way (giggly and a bit drunk)....anywayyy....hello again favourite thread! 

 

 

On a serious note though, it has always seemed very very odd to me that the Grey Wardens didn't jump on the chance to research a potential cure for the blight since Fiona was un-tainted. Sure, the oldest warden is usually the one to sacrifice themselves when an archdemon appears and thus must have an "active" taint. But what about all these wardens between the blights that has to die in the deep roads when the blight has spread too far in them or if a warden is so old that he can't fight well anyway. Or if a warden sustains an injury that makes him unable to fight. Sure, it would have to be regulated/approved by the warden commanders or the guys in Weisshaupt if it were to happen, but it would lessen the stigma of becoming a warden. Even if the cure were to be rarely used, the knowledge of a cure existing might still convince more to join since it is possible it wouldn't be for life. (if the Joining were to be public knowledge that is)

 

And maybe it would also give some insights on how the blight actually works. It is a bit of inconsistency I can't get over 

 

Welcome back!   

 

*Totally not taking the dirty bait you laid out, but giggling all the same* 

 

Maybe they feared that if people thought there was a way to leave the Wardens permanently, then most people would? I mean, Grey Wardens are often glorified, but the truth is very dark. So not having a cure removes the possibility of them losing their members. I mean, we know for a fact that Wardens will do anything to stop the Blights, so to them it doesn't really matter if people die unnecessarily. Also remember, most who join the Wardens are criminals or poor, so I doubt a cure would really do much to increase their numbers (especially if the news got out that a lot of people die during the Joining). 

[Arvaarad]

First spontaneous thought reading this: "Dragon j**z cures all" (slaps self)

Sorry to de-lurk in this way (giggly and a bit drunk)....anywayyy....hello again favourite thread!



On a serious note though, it has always seemed very very odd to me that the Grey Wardens didn't jump on the chance to research a potential cure for the blight since Fiona was un-tainted.

Perhaps it was one of those weird mental blocks people have, where the solution is right in front of them but for some reason they don't pursue it.

There are lots of examples in the real world of moral restrictions (for example, dietary rules) that came about when people didn't have better ways of dealing with disease or sanitation. So their only safe option was avoiding certain foods and behaviors. Because they didn't know the root causes, they had to develop moral reasons to avoid these things.

Then, when the root causes became better understood, instead of dropping the old rules, sometimes people would bash the ways of "avoiding the consequences" of the rules. Like people who bash condoms because they help prevent diseases/pregnancies... even though that's what forced ancient people to restrict sexual behaviors in the first place.

Anyway, all that is to say that I can imagine some wardens saying "why are you trying to avoid the consequences of doing our duty" by curing the taint. If that's the mindset, many might avoid studying it even though it would save lives.

[Tanyara]

Welcome back!   

 

*Totally not taking the dirty bait you laid out, but giggling all the same* 

 

Maybe they feared that if people thought there was a way to leave the Wardens permanently, then most people would? I mean, Grey Wardens are often glorified, but the truth is very dark. So not having a cure removes the possibility of them losing their members. I mean, we know for a fact that Wardens will do anything to stop the Blights, so to them it doesn't really matter if people die unnecessarily. Also remember, most who join the Wardens are criminals or poor, so I doubt a cure would really do much to increase their numbers (especially if the news got out that a lot of people die during the Joining). 

 

Thanks! This thread is the only thing keeping me going these days   Where's the DA4 news, Bioware, people are dying here!

 

 

Perhaps it was one of those weird mental blocks people have, where the solution is right in front of them but for some reason they don't pursue it.

There are lots of examples in the real world of moral restrictions (for example, dietary rules) that came about when people didn't have better ways of dealing with disease or sanitation. So their only safe option was avoiding certain foods and behaviors. Because they didn't know the root causes, they had to develop moral reasons to avoid these things.

Then, when the root causes became better understood, instead of dropping the old rules, sometimes people would bash the ways of "avoiding the consequences" of the rules. Like people who bash condoms because they help prevent diseases/pregnancies... even though that's what forced ancient people to restrict sexual behaviors in the first place.

Anyway, all that is to say that I can imagine some wardens saying "why are you trying to avoid the consequences of doing our duty" by curing the taint. If that's the mindset, many might avoid studying it even though it would save lives.

 

Both points are very valid, and I don't necessarily think it would solve all problems, but it is still a very rare chance to pass up regardless. Even if they were to find the cure, but ignore to make it known or not using it because of fear/tradition, the potential to discover new things about the blight and it's mechanisms should still be a huge thing for the grim and duty driven wardens. For example, maybe they could find a way to slow the blights progress within the wardens bodies, or perhaps be able to enhance the understanding of the archdemons commands to the darkspawn. 

 

But who knows, maybe there is some dark knowledge hidden in Weisshaupt that we yet don't know about. Or maybe they already knew and forbade other wardens to research it.

[CapricornSun]

Art. 

 

What if Solas took Lavellan's leg instead of her arm in Trespasser?

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Source: http://bloodwrit.tum...g-to-trespasser

 

Some Solavellan art.

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Source: http://missacromantu...solavellan-hell

 

Trespasser Solas.

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Source: http://friendlypapay...st/147552939086

 

Bull asking Solas what if he turns savage like other Tal-Vashoth.

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Source: http://kireieleison....10/thanks-solas

[Arvaarad]

But who knows, maybe there is some dark knowledge hidden in Weisshaupt that we yet don't know about. Or maybe they already knew and forbade other wardens to research it.

 

That's definitely a possibility too. Who knows what secrets the wardens have...

 

It could be more sinister, as well. As you pointed out, at least 1 warden has to have the taint to kill an archdemon.

 

Well, if the wardens knew the cure, and they knew people could be cured, who would that person be? The wardens love to project this image of heroism. But a lot of their retention depends on recruiting people without telling them the full story, then saying "welp, you're going to die horribly anyway, you can die with glory by killing darkspawn."

 

If dying to the taint is no longer inevitable, they could lose people in droves. Even people who knew the cost could change their mind later when they want a family or a peaceful life. If the order responded by locking down the cure, then there would be vicious infighting for people to get their hands on it. It's a chance at not dying in agony, of not watching their own body and mind fall apart. Knowing that information could tear the wardens apart.

 

 

EDIT: I should learn to read, someone else brought up this point earlier.

[Gervaise]

New bit of trivia about Solas.   Well it's new to me.   It's taken from the Core Rulebook 2015.   Apparently Fen'Harel was known for his "dark wisdom".   Also, in addition to being known as the Great Trickster, he was also called "the bringer of Nightmares". 

 

That story Felassan taught about someone attending a funeral of the king's daughter, wanting to discover the name of a girl he had seen there, appealing to several gods but only Fen'Harel answered him, with the words "kill the king's other daughter", sounds like pretty dark wisdom to me.    And this story came from one of his allies.   I'm not saying it is actually true but way to go Felassan if you want to improve your god's image from that of an evil trickster.

[Addictress]

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I keep wanting to transport him into the future sorry

[dawnstone]

Yeah, it's probably just a practice drawing.

No, that's a finished piece. These are Matt's practice drawings:

 

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http://mattrhodesart.tumblr.com/

 

He put up a process video/interview that he did with his brother, and it was really cool.

I highly suggest giving it a watch even if you're not an artist yourself.

 

/fangirling

[IHaveReturned1999]

Today it didn't rain, and yesterday it didn't rain, because I am in California, and we are having a drought. 
 
I am working in my home office. My laundry is spinning so fast I think it is gonna go into the future.
 
I still like Solas.

Shout out to Oakland.

[Arvaarad]

No, that's a finished piece. These are Matt's practice drawings:

 

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http://mattrhodesart.tumblr.com/

 

He put up a process video/interview that he did with his brother, and it was really cool.

I highly suggest giving it a watch even if you're not an artist yourself.

 

/fangirling

 

Yeah, I love those videos. I meant practice in the sense of "practicing with the concept" rather than "practicing drawing methods".

[NightSymphony]

Thank you for sharing that, dawnstone. I really enjoyed it.