Some art
Dread Wolf - Promises to Keep
http://joycrux.devia...-Keep-622410721
Solas Tarot Card
http://cashewwwsart....Tarot-622391336
Solas and Lavellan
http://kazicrawlies....sitor-622183194
Solavallen Roadstory AU - Preparation
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And the Twilight Zone twist ending of that tale should be;
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(Wait, does my ending make me more evil than Fen'Harel?)
I'm right there with you since that's exactly what I thought too. Just as helpful as the Oracle at Delphi, that advice was. 
You know, my Origins experience is really ironic in hindsight. Like I remember like five years back, Origins had been out for a few months, I was playing it for the first time and getting all mushy over Alistair, blah blah blah...
And I remember in the Dalish camp for the Natue of the Beast quest, they had that Fen'Harel statue. I kept seeing the little sparkle cloud and mistaking it for loot, so I would click on it by rote. I think I read the codex three or four times because of that. It doesn't go away no matter how often you clicked on it. And that had me convinced Fen'Harel had something to do with this werewolf thing. Naturally he didn't, but because of that codex, Fen'Harel was the only elven god I actually remembered.
And now here I am, hanging out in the thread all about how Fen'Harel's a cutie jerk.
It was predestined, I tell you.
Art post.
Solas, who now has the Anchor on his hand by nipuni. Based on this post.
Source: http://nipuni.tumblr...-draw-something
Solas and Lavellan kissing. 
Source: http://shamianasart....nfinished-works
Thoughtful egg.
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Sketches of Solas and Sera.
Source: http://totes-crepesa...e-work-drawings
How did you think Sera reacted to the revelation that Solas is Fen'Harel ?
How did you think Sera reacted to the revelation that Solas is Fen'Harel ?
"Oh he's an demon? Or something like that? No wonder why he was so shady!"
I actually thought she would be scared of him because you know, Solas is the one who put up the Veil, wrecked the Elvhen, and indirectly responsible for where she (Sera) was in her life with those cookies.
Oh she'd be friggin terrified but her go to response in such cases is "arrows". If the Inquisitor drinks from the Well, she sticks an arrow in your face, in the middle of your own castle, with all these loyal retainers, not to mention adoring faithful surrounding her position. She couldn't care less about the past and she'd only think that Solas being revealed a super elven mage and the elven gods as tyrant mages had proved her right all along about such things. Sera has her faults but lack of courage isn't one of them. Courage isn't the absence of fear, it is overcoming the fear and standing firm in the face of death. Plus she wouldn't be as stupid as the Viddasala and announce her intentions, she'd just fire (from behind like as not). It probably wouldn't do much good because I dare say he's got some sort of permanent shield in operation but she'd give it a go and when it didn't work then run like hell
Oh she'd be friggin terrified but her go to response in such cases is "arrows". If the Inquisitor drinks from the Well, she sticks an arrow in your face, in the middle of your own castle, with all these loyal retainers, not to mention adoring faithful surrounding her position. She couldn't care less about the past and she'd only think that Solas being revealed a super elven mage and the elven gods as tyrant mages had proved her right all along about such things. Sera has her faults but lack of courage isn't one of them. Courage isn't the absence of fear, it is overcoming the fear and standing firm in the face of death. Plus she wouldn't be as stupid as the Viddasala and announce her intentions, she'd just fire (from behind like as not). It probably wouldn't do much good because I dare say he's got some sort of permanent shield in operation but she'd give it a go and when it didn't work then run like hell
Not to disparage Sera but I rather doubt she even thought of any of that before sticking an arrow in the Inquisitor's face. Her thought was probably more along the lines of, "Inky drank from that elfy Well thing! S/he might be a demon now, hmmm. Let's find out! *gets out bow and arrow*" She doesn't lack for courage though. And I agree, she'd probably shoot an arrow (or a few) at Solas. And it probably wouldn't work. Now I have a mental image of Sera shooting arrows at Solas and swearing like she did when she killed that noble in her personal quest whilst Solas just stands there with a mildly exasperated look on his face.
Not to disparage Sera but I rather doubt she even thought of any of that before sticking an arrow in the Inquisitor's face. Her thought was probably more along the lines of, "Inky drank from that elfy Well thing! S/he might be a demon now, hmmm. Let's find out! *gets out bow and arrow*" She doesn't lack for courage though. And I agree, she'd probably shoot an arrow (or a few) at Solas. And it probably wouldn't work. Now I have a mental image of Sera shooting arrows at Solas and swearing like she did when she killed that noble in her personal quest whilst Solas just stands there with a mildly exasperated look on his face.
Solas would probably turn her arrows into birds or butterflies or just perform a Petrificus Totalus on her with a mere eye glow. Petrificus Totalus wear off after a while instead of being permanent.
Not to disparage Sera but I rather doubt she even thought of any of that before sticking an arrow in the Inquisitor's face. Her thought was probably more along the lines of, "Inky drank from that elfy Well thing! S/he might be a demon now, hmmm. Let's find out! *gets out bow and arrow*" She doesn't lack for courage though. And I agree, she'd probably shoot an arrow (or a few) at Solas. And it probably wouldn't work. Now I have a mental image of Sera shooting arrows at Solas and swearing like she did when she killed that noble in her personal quest whilst Solas just stands there with a mildly exasperated look on his face.
This amuses me to no end.
Personally, I believe that the Inquisitor needs to be the one to deal with Solas, but honestly the whole gang needs to be there really.
This amuses me to no end.
Personally, I believe that the Inquisitor needs to be the one to deal with Solas, but honestly the whole gang needs to be there really.
For my Inquisitor, I think she'd rather not have the whole gang there, to be honest! Most of them are probably firmly in the "Solas must die" camp but my Inquisitor wants to try to redeem him first. She would be worried that someone (like Sera) might fly off the handle with the result that everyone becomes Solas' newest garden decor.
If he turns my Inquisitor to stone or otherwise kills her, fine - then everyone else can hunt him down to the ends of the earth.
I can't believe that after all this time I have actually discovered something wholly new about Solas. I should explain that may be in the previous 6105 pages the things that follow have been discussed but I must confess to having shied away from Solas for a time after he broke my Lavellan's heart and then got all riled up again after Trespasser. However, having got curious again, I discover I have missed so much.
I went over to You Tube to get up on the dialogue of an Inquisitor who isn't friends with him. I've never really bothered before and my Inquisitors always have his respect. Even my human believer mage who allied with Templars still managed to win his respect, when I was actually thinking I wouldn't. The only Solas Disproves videos I have watched up to now are the ones associated with your meeting in Trespasser. So I clicked on the videos for Solas Disapproves and was astonished:
For an Inquisitor who has accepted the role of Herald: "Do you enjoy the worship? Does it make you feel infallible or do you see them as fools, gullible for their belief?"
And to follow on either : "So your great Maker will stop anything terrible from happening. How's that working so far?"
or: "You are not gaining allies, you are gaining minions. Sheep driven by one false god, to follow another."
He regards the Herald as a false demi-god.
I never realised you could get such different insights if he hated you. The stupid thing is those are exactly the sentiments I feel about the whole Herald business. Of course after Trespasser I know exactly why he would feel that way. It is like seeing the whole rise of the Evanuris all over again. What really staggered me was that he actually does say that the Maker is a false god. There was me saying he could have told us and he did. Except you only learn that if you have professed a belief in being the Herald and he doesn't respect you as a person. I'm am still trying to get to grips with this.
Is there anything else I've missed?
Another realisation: That is why he removes the anchor and sends the Inquisitor back alive if he doesn't like them Everyone believed the anchor came from the Maker, via Andraste, yet even when that was proven to be false, the ordinary people kept being encouraged to believe it. If you have also accepted the role of Herald that would rile him even more. He removes the mark and sends you back alive because it disproves the whole Herald thing. He is the only "god" who is acting, he has taken away the mark that was killing you. How could he have taken away the Maker's gift? Because the Maker/Andraste never gave it in the first place. Also, there is the implied challenge: Let's see what your Maker does to stop me.
I still think the Chantry will wriggle their way out of that one with their mental gymnastics but it all makes a lot more sense now.
Obviously with a friendly or romanced Inquisitor he saves their life because he likes them and in the case of my two favourite Lavellans they have been protesting constantly that they aren't the Herald.
For an Inquisitor who has accepted the role of Herald: "Do you enjoy the worship? Does it make you feel infallible or do you see them as fools, gullible for their belief?"
And to follow on either : "So your great Maker will stop anything terrible from happening. How's that working so far?"
or: "You are not gaining allies, you are gaining minions. Sheep driven by one false god, to follow another."
[...] What really staggered me was that he actually does say that the Maker is a false god. There was me saying he could have told us and he did. Except you only learn that if you have professed a belief in being the Herald and he doesn't respect you as a person. I'm am still trying to get to grips with this.
I don't think he's declaring the Maker to be a false god there. He's saying Corypheus (false god) is being used to drive people to you, someone he considers following the path of the Evanuris and styling themselves as a false god, even if the actual wording isn't being used(yet). This is supported by the sentence before of "You are not gaining allies, you are gaining minions." Its not about the Maker, its about the Herald personally.
The sarcasm with which he says "your great Maker", is not something you do if the god actually exists in any way other than being totally hands off with the world.
The Maker could still exist but not as the Chantry portray him and certainly not as the Chantry people in Skyhold are trying to explain his "nudging of the world".
He told Cassandra he approves of the idea of a god that doesn't get involved at all. He knows that the Maker didn't do anything to stop the Evanuris or to prevent him from raising the Veil. He probably feels it is a bit hard on the Maker blaming him for the Blights, particularly considering he probably knows their origins. I am sure he would repudiate the idea that the Maker was behind Andraste and her visions.
Cause and effect. Solas knows the cause and the effect of all these things. If the Maker exists he is not the god portrayed by the Chantry. That god is a false god.
The sarcasm with which he says "your great Maker", is not something you do if the god actually exists in any way other than being totally hands off with the world.
The Maker could still exist but not as the Chantry portray him and certainly not as the Chantry people in Skyhold are trying to explain his "nudging of the world".
He told Cassandra he approves of the idea of a god that doesn't get involved at all. He knows that the Maker didn't do anything to stop the Evanuris or to prevent him from raising the Veil. He probably feels it is a bit hard on the Maker blaming him for the Blights, particularly considering he probably knows their origins. I am sure he would repudiate the idea that the Maker was behind Andraste and her visions.
Cause and effect. Solas knows the cause and the effect of all these things. If the Maker exists he is not the god portrayed by the Chantry. That god is a false god.
The Chantry doesn't actually present the Maker as a god that meddles in the world, though. He's the quintessential clockmaker god, who wound up the universe and then left it to its devices, except for the one instance of Andraste calling his attention back. That's why Leliana's ideas about the Maker sending her a vision and guiding her to help with the blight in DAO got her looked at funny by the other clergy and religious before she left with the Warden.
Solas is snarking at the idea that the Maker is intervening, yes. I'm not sure if that's the same thing as calling the Maker a false god. It sounds more like its repudiating the disliked Inquisitor who's wrapped themselves in the blanket of faith to justify doing all the things Solas dislikes them doing.
I mean, you might be right. It'd hardly be shocking if the man who's lived with, and led the fight against, false gods has the opinion that the Maker (and likely any other supposed god) is a false god as well. As you say, the Maker didn't stop the Evanuris--he did. On the matter of faith in a higher power than himself, Solas is just going to be horribly jaded.
I just don't know if he was necessarily saying the Maker was what was false in those comments.
The sarcasm with which he says "your great Maker", is not something you do if the god actually exists in any way other than being totally hands off with the world.
The Maker could still exist but not as the Chantry portray him and certainly not as the Chantry people in Skyhold are trying to explain his "nudging of the world".
He told Cassandra he approves of the idea of a god that doesn't get involved at all. He knows that the Maker didn't do anything to stop the Evanuris or to prevent him from raising the Veil. He probably feels it is a bit hard on the Maker blaming him for the Blights, particularly considering he probably knows their origins. I am sure he would repudiate the idea that the Maker was behind Andraste and her visions.
Cause and effect. Solas knows the cause and the effect of all these things. If the Maker exists he is not the god portrayed by the Chantry. That god is a false god.
What Elizabeth said. If anyone in Inquisition was saying that the Maker's been nudging the world along certain paths all along, then they're full of blasphemous crap. Since Origins the Maker has been an absentee god. The Chantry's so obsessed with expansion because they believe that covering the world will convince the Maker to return to them. The Chantry also says the reason demons try to possess people is because they were the Maker's first children, but they were abandoned too, and now they desperately want to be one of his "favorites." (Apparently no one's told them that the Maker found humans unworthy, too.)
Which, hey, tick off another item on the "Parallels between Solas and the Maker" list. Because guess who else was an extremely powerful being who judged people unworthy, rid the world of them, left himself for thousands of years, and then returned to find the "second" wave of children to be unworthy once again?
Too bad Solas' response wasn't "Well screw you guys, I'm going back to bed." like the Maker's apparently was.
The Chantry doesn't actually present the Maker as a god that meddles in the world, though. He's the quintessential clockmaker god, who wound up the universe and then left it to its devices, except for the one instance of Andraste calling his attention back. That's why Leliana's ideas about the Maker sending her a vision and guiding her to help with the blight in DAO got her looked at funny by the other clergy and religious before she left with the Warden.
Solas is snarking at the idea that the Maker is intervening, yes. I'm not sure if that's the same thing as calling the Maker a false god. It sounds more like its repudiating the disliked Inquisitor who's wrapped themselves in the blanket of faith to justify doing all the things Solas dislikes them doing.
I mean, you might be right. It'd hardly be shocking if the man who's lived with, and led the fight against, false gods has the opinion that the Maker (and likely any other supposed god) is a false god as well. As you say, the Maker didn't stop the Evanuris--he did. On the matter of faith in a higher power than himself, Solas is just going to be horribly jaded.
I just don't know if he was necessarily saying the Maker was what was false in those comments.
It's also possible that, if you push Solas far enough to get to that disapproval level, then he's just straight up refusing to consider the idea of the Maker. Which is somewhat contradictory, since he can have that banter with Cassandra no matter what, but I still say that a lot of Solas' banter is only supposed to be be seen on high-approval routes. But they couldn't realistically record two entire sets of banters, completely discarding one if you don't meet the requisite approval level. I suppose, for low-approval runs, they could've recorded a few short banters of Solas basically going "Mortals suck, don't talk to me," and then have him refuse to engage your companions further - but that might have encouraged players to not take him out, then.
Nonetheless, the idea that all those friendly conversations with Cassandra and Blackwall and Varric and Bull simply don't happen on low-approval runs is the only one that really makes sense to me.
Yes, the whole Inquisition was full of blasphemous crap, that's why initially we were being called heretics. It's why I found it hard to understand where all this chosen of the Maker, Andraste in the Fade, Herald of Andraste stuff was coming from when I first played it. I thought we had established in DAO that the Maker was an absentee god. He came back briefly because Andraste was a good singer, decided to help one last time, then abandoned Andraste and humanity when she was taken prisoner and burned, although Andraste was okay because she was taken off to some indeterminate place beyond the Fade to be at his side. Andraste is constantly pleading with him to do more but the Maker is adamant he will only return once everyone is singing the same song. That was the Chantry's whole justification for spreading the Chant, by force if necessary. Leliana was a heretic for even thinking that the Maker would send her a vision, small as it was. Even the Guardian said that. The Chantry sister also didn't want us giving false hope to those soldiers when they asked for amulets to keep them safe.
There were hints at something slightly different being introduced in DA2. It did seem as though you could offer up prayers to the Maker and just possibly he might answer. Then you had Sebastian keening after Elthinia had been blown sky high, asking the Maker how could he have allowed that to happen? Simple Seb, you've spent your last few years reciting the Chant and spreading the word; the Maker doesn't get involved.
So when we got to DAI and all the Herald stuff started I was a bit puzzled people weren't a bit more sceptical but it seemed that my advisors thought it best to let the masses have their illusion. It was apparently good for morale and apparently more likely to keep me from being lynched rather than less. When I read WoT2 I realised why the common people might think I was the Herald; they saw the Breach as the prelude to the end of the world, as outlined in Drakon's vision that inspired him to found the Chantry (another instance that seemed to fly in the face of what is taught). Still the Chantry in Val Royeaux were more consistent on the matter. Whenever I was asked, my Inquisitors either emphatically denied it or said they didn't know. Yet, no one paid them any attention and even seem to suggest I should be more open minded about it. I could understand Leliana questioning why the Maker didn't do more for Justinia because of her previous history, but Cassandra thinking I was the Herald and later on praying to the Maker for my safety was very odd. Does she not know it is pointless? Then when we discovered the truth about the Fade, everyone from Hawke to Mother Giselle was telling me to lie about it, or at least keep quiet about the truth. I noticed in the Chant that the Maker doesn't like liars, so apparently everyone was trying to get my PC damned by the Maker. No that they were particularly bothered since by this time they were beginning to seriously doubt the Maker anyway. After Trespasser I wouldn't be able to keep up the pretence but I was never allowed to say as much.
This is why I found it so refreshing to have Solas say what he did. At least someone sees in the game world can see the contradictions and manipulation of the masses that is taking place. To my mind, as you suggest above, Solas is the Maker. Everything that Andraste allegedly attributed to him seems to have been done by Solas. He created the Veil that separated Thedas from the Fade, cutting off the spirits so they could no longer interact with people directly and some of them might feel rather angry that they could not, the others not that worried. He imprisoned seven old gods, just as the Maker did. Then disillusioned by the world he had created, he left it to its own devices while he took a nap. When some interfering Magister tried to break into the prison (the elves believe the Creators are locked inside the city) they found it empty but got a nasty surprise. But apparently Grey Warden scholars dispute a lot of the detail about this last bit and Solas knows something about it all but I'm pretty sure he knows where exactly they ended up and what actually caused the Blight. So Andraste and Hessarian probably got that all wrong. The Chantry claim Hessarian made his Canticle up; well they would know.
So at the end of a rather long post, in terms of Chantry dogma, Solas is the Maker. And now he's returned to bring about the end of the World.
Yes, the whole Inquisition was full of blasphemous crap, that's why initially we were being called heretics. It's why I found it hard to understand where all this chosen of the Maker, Andraste in the Fade, Herald of Andraste stuff was coming from when I first played it.
What do you mean "where it's coming from"? It's actually entirely natural. Many times the populace will deem a place or person holy or blessed, despite, say, Church or officials either publicly denouncing it, or not being overly enthusiastic about it at a time. Father Pio and Medjugorje comes to mind, from more recent examples.
The truth is that most people's faith is relatively simple and doesn't really care about such technical nuances as 'absentee god' or 'subtle pushes and shoves' or whatever - or are simply confused by it. We can even discuss this with Mother Giselle or listen to discussion between confused believers in Skyhold's main hall at one point or another that, I think, illustrates well that particular issue.
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Oh, well, that's easy. As you pointed out yourself, people take your mark as living proof that the Maker, or at the very least Andraste, has returned to the world. So of course they're asking the Maker and such for stuff, they think he's come back. They believe you are the herald, after all, announcing the return of the divine.
Also, I wouldn't say the Chantry just made it all up. I think the obvious parallels between Solas and the Maker are trying to tell us something - just as Tevinter co-opted a lot of elven magic, the Chantry co-opted a lot of elven history. They knew stories of some god who severed the world, imprisoned other divines, and then simply... vanished. They assumed it was the Maker, because who else could it be?
Bonus points if it turns out that Andraste's "vision" of the Maker was just her bumping into Solas in the Fade (Especially likely if she were a mage, as some theorize.) But it might be going a little too far to assume that the Chantry's whole exist could be attributed to Solas.
And hey, they're not entirely wrong. You are proof of a god returning to the world. But that god's just a bit more elfy than the Chantry would like. And he doesn't much care for being mistaken for divine, either.
Umm..I have a question. I have made two new versions of my Atisha Lavellan. One with her original white hair and one with blonde...which one do you like more?
White
Blonde
Edit: I'm leaning towards the blonde. The eyebrows just look too weird with the white hair.
Umm..I have a question. I have made two new versions of my Atisha Lavellan. One with her original white hair and one with blonde...which one do you like more?
White
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Blonde
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Edit: I'm leaning towards the blonde. The eyebrows just look too weird with the white hair.
I like the blonde better as well. For me it's not so much the eyebrows as the bright white eyelashes. They just look a little weird to me.
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