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Umm..I have a question. I have made two new versions of my Atisha Lavellan. One with her original white hair and one with blonde...which one do you like more?

 

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Edit: I'm leaning towards the blonde.  The eyebrows just look too weird with the white hair.

 

Personally I'm a sucker for white and silver hair, soooo....

 

With that said, my Lavellan's complexion is quite dark, hence the brows actually make for a nice contrast. And I always give her very dark eyelashes with make-up option - I could have a perfect excuse that it's a magical race and all, or that Thedas has more exotic color variations we have IRL, but I actually have logical explanation for it!

 

My elf has very bright eyes, and with low pigmentation usually comes strong light sensitivity; hence to protect her eyes from sun she uses a lot of kohl (kohl, or anything that creates a dark line around the eyes actually work as proto-sunglasses, absorbing the light instead of reflecting it. This is why many cultures living in very sunny areas - Egyptians, Persians or Hindu - use a lot of kohl in their traditional make-up till this day) and at this point she's so used to it she uses a lot of kohl every day, hence her eylashes are basically permanently stained black :D


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Not to disparage Sera but I rather doubt she even thought of any of that before sticking an arrow in the Inquisitor's face.  Her thought was probably more along the lines of, "Inky drank from that elfy Well thing!  S/he might be a demon now, hmmm.  Let's find out!  *gets out bow and arrow*"  She doesn't lack for courage though.  And I agree, she'd probably shoot an arrow (or a few) at Solas.  And it probably wouldn't work.  Now I have a mental image of Sera shooting arrows at Solas and  swearing like she did when she killed that noble in her personal quest whilst Solas just stands there with a mildly exasperated look on his face.

 

My Sera headcanon: she insists on calling the agents of Fen'Harel "friends of Dread Fenny, or whatever".

 

In Trespasser, one of her lines refers to Fen'Harel as "Fenny". I choose to believe that the writers were foreshadowing this exact joke. :D


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My Sera headcanon: she insists on calling the agents of Fen'Harel "friends of Dread Fenny, or whatever".

 

In Trespasser, one of her lines refers to Fen'Harel as "Fenny". I choose to believe that the writers were foreshadowing this exact joke. :D

 

Well... switch 'e' to 'a' and it's be even funnier in Sera's mind. Or should I say, 'fannier' :P



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In regards to the Maker being an 'absentee god,' I've always taken it to mean he is pretty much like the Judeo-Christian god in the real world. He doesn't walk among us enacting miracles. Neither does the Maker. Both gods send minions to do that work for them as needed - the Judeo-Christian god sent Jesus; the Maker sent Andraste. 

 

That doesn't stop real-world Christians from praying to the Judeo-Christian god in the hopes that he will intervene on their behalf. And likewise for Thedosians praying to the Maker.



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In regards to the Maker being an 'absentee god,' I've always taken it to mean he is pretty much like the Judeo-Christian god in the real world. He doesn't walk among us enacting miracles. Neither does the Maker. Both gods send minions to do that work for them as needed - the Judeo-Christian god sent Jesus; the Maker sent Andraste.

That doesn't stop real-world Christians from praying to the Judeo-Christian god in the hopes that he will intervene on their behalf. And likewise for Thedosians praying to the Maker.

Because they want to believe an outside god instead of looking inside themselves, and fix themselves to be better people. They don't want to accept responsibility for their "sins" so they need an imaginary god to look upon to fix everything.

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*De-lurks*

 

Hello again! :)

I finally got around to uploading my XB1 videos, so I made a gif. (Note the leaf coming down near his eye at the end like a black tear.)

 

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Alright..one more Atisha to choose from. I made her eyebrows and eyelashes grey instead of white and her vallaslin lighter so they don't stick out so much. And I forgot to remove the scar on her forehead..oh well. Maybe I can make up a reason for it. :P

 

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I really wish I could get the hair color utility to work.


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I started a conversation about this over in the General Spoiler Discussion, but I'm curious what the Solas thread thinks....

What would your opinion be if Solas killed the Inquisitor at the end of Trustpasser? Assume there's no way to stop it: the Inquisitor is dying anyway, and he spares you the pain of the mark tearing you apart. Assume he kills you rather then just taking your arm at the end of the conversation.

What would you think?



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If my Lavellan would have died in his arms I wouldn't have minded..but my characters that didn't romance him..I would have been upset. Poor Cullen would have been so devastated. :-(


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I started a conversation about this over in the General Spoiler Discussion, but I'm curious what the Solas thread thinks....

What would your opinion be if Solas killed the Inquisitor at the end of Trustpasser? Assume there's no way to stop it: the Inquisitor is dying anyway, and he spares you the pain of the mark tearing you apart. Assume he kills you rather then just taking your arm at the end of the conversation.

What would you think?

 

At first I would be sad, and probably pissed off as well. I think I would also be okay with Solas killing my Inquisitor rather than having her die in agony.

 

But I'm thankful that it didn't turn out that way.


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If my Lavellan would have died in his arms I wouldn't have minded..but my characters that didn't romance him..I would have been upset. Poor Cullen would have been so devastated. :-(

 

I imagine if you didn't romance him, then Solas uses his Dream powers to allow you to enter the dreams of your loved one so you can say goodbye. ... You can use this chance to warn them who Solas really is and what he's planning, but he still lets you do it, out of respect. So you get to tell Cullen you love him and he will have to be strong.


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Art.

 

Solas is judging you. Oooh! <3

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Source: http://destinyaposta...ng-study-from-a

 

Solas wearing a pink ribbon on his arm showcasing his love for Lavellan by lilium-snow. :D

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Source: http://lilium-snow.t...hat-pink-ribbon

 

Solas sketch.

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Source: http://milchmieze.tu...age-inquisition

 

Lavellan's first battle wound. Also starring Solas, Blackwall, and Cass.

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Source: http://eleplay.tumbl...he-least-battle


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OMG I love this. This is so what happened.

Lavellan's first battle wound. Also starring Solas, Blackwall, and Cass.

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I imagine if you didn't romance him, then Solas uses his Dream powers to allow you to enter the dreams of your loved one so you can say goodbye. ... You can use this chance to warn them who Solas really is and what he's planning, but he still lets you do it, out of respect. So you get to tell Cullen you love him and he will have to be strong.

 

The HELL is Cullen doing sleeping on the job while a council to decide the fate of the Inquisition is going on?

 

Goddammit Cullen THIS is why I always leave Josephine in charge. Lazy jerk. 


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The sarcasm with which he says "your great Maker", is not something you do if the god actually exists in any way other than being totally hands off with the world.
The Maker could still exist but not as the Chantry portray him and certainly not as the Chantry people in Skyhold are trying to explain his "nudging of the world".
He told Cassandra he approves of the idea of a god that doesn't get involved at all. He knows that the Maker didn't do anything to stop the Evanuris or to prevent him from raising the Veil. He probably feels it is a bit hard on the Maker blaming him for the Blights, particularly considering he probably knows their origins. I am sure he would repudiate the idea that the Maker was behind Andraste and her visions.

Cause and effect. Solas knows the cause and the effect of all these things. If the Maker exists he is not the god portrayed by the Chantry. That god is a false god.

Ironically the chantry hold that the maker made the veil

Da4 revelation: Solas is the maker lol

Edit: Spoke too soon you're already there!

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Ironically the chantry hold that the maker made the veil
Da4 revelation: Solas is the maker lol
Edit: Spoke too soon you're already there!

Fen'harel and the Maker being the same 'God' and the two religions being different versions of the same events was already considered before the Solas/Evanuris reveal, it's a plausible one now.
Not that it might necessarily happen, but it wouldn't be far-fetched or illogical at this point.

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NightSymphony: Just thought I'd let you know that I really like your last Atisha, particularly because she looks almost identical to my Atisha; white/grey hair, pale eyes.  The only difference is that mine has the vallaslin of Sylaise because she encourages the Way of Peace (Vir Atishan).   Is that why you chose the name, because it means peace?    That was the case for me.


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Sebastian was there first; he figured it out way back in DA2.   When discussing their respective religions with Merrill he actually commented that they were probably talking about the same thing.   Merrill's disingenuous response: "You mean the Maker wants us all to be elves?"    She got it right too, because actually he does.    I think even Merrill would be taken aback by the fact that the Maker is Fen'Harel though.  


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In regards to the Maker being an 'absentee god,' I've always taken it to mean he is pretty much like the Judeo-Christian god in the real world. He doesn't walk among us enacting miracles. Neither does the Maker. Both gods send minions to do that work for them as needed - the Judeo-Christian god sent Jesus; the Maker sent Andraste. 

 

That doesn't stop real-world Christians from praying to the Judeo-Christian god in the hopes that he will intervene on their behalf. And likewise for Thedosians praying to the Maker.

There are definitely parallels intended btwn the two, but theologically the Maker who only got lured into paying attention to his creation b/c one creature was particularly attracting to him and the God who sent Moses to lead his people out of Egypt or incarnated himself into the world to die for everyone's sins so they'd be able to enter Heaven are not really the same. One is passive and uninterested unless enticed, the other never lost interest and intervenes.

 

I suppose Andrastians have reason to hope the Maker will intervene b/c Andraste is supposedly at his side asking him to in the afterlife. (Though the Imperial Chantry doesn't believe that, I suppose, since she's not the Bride of the Maker to them?) But he's also specified to have turned his back once again, so I don't know.


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Just to explain why I found it so difficult to see where the Herald idea was coming from when I first played the game.   At the time WoT2 had not yet been published, so I was unaware of Drakon's prophesy of the end of the world, which begins with a tearing open of the sky.   That at least made the initial belief explicable.   However, back in November 2014 all I knew was what had been taught in previous games and was found in World of Thedas 1.

 

The Chantry dogma is that the Maker turned away from the world because they worshipped false gods and left the Golden City when it was blackened by the sin of the invading Magisters.  He didn't intervene to actually stop them corrupting the Golden City, nor did he step in during the 1st Blight when mankind was teetering on the edge of extinction.   The only time he was persuaded to take an active role once more was when he fell in love with the voice raised in song and was moved by the entreaties of Andraste.   This lasted only so long until she was betrayed and thus, disillusioned by his creation once more, he again took the role of observer until such time as all people of the world unite to praise his name, at which point he will return and make the world a paradise once more.

 

The Chantry is not the Catholic Church.   With this real world religion there is a 2,000 years history of God directly intervening in events (actually it began much earlier than this but I am talking about just related to the specific religion).   Many people throughout that time have been attributed with having a special relationship with the deity as proven throughout the conduct of their lives and after death in the form of miracles performed in their name.   Some of these were given visions during their lifetime, some miraculous powers.    Not everyone who people put forward as such is actually proven to be a saint.   Visions in particular are given careful scrutiny and for every one that has been declared genuine, there are equally those which were not.

 

The Chantry has no such tradition.   There is not a long line of local saints that people can point to as evidence of the Maker getting actively involved in the world.     Such a claim is specifically repudiated by their dogma, an official organisation that was originally set up, ironically enough, by someone claiming a special vision from the Maker/Andraste that "inspired" him to found a church in their name and spread its teaching by force if necessary.    So after 840 years of the Maker not getting actively involved, not even during 4 Blights and the most you can attribute to his efforts would be mental inspiration of the faithful, suddenly some person walks out of the Fade with some female figure behind them and just because they can close the rift, which by the by according to Drakon's vision was caused by the Maker, they are suddenly perceived as the Herald of Andraste.    Even if the ordinary people are saying as much, Cassandra and Giselle ought to know better.   Leliana already thinks she was special because she had a vision, so she is already suspect.     Then Adamant proved it had nothing to do with the Maker.   It was a fortunate accident you even got the mark.   Yet Giselle among other people encourage you to continue to deceive the population at large, which is actually against the specific teaching of Andraste that the Maker will judge liars and deceivers.    That is just regular lies not promoting a false prophet of the Maker.    I should imagine that warrants a special category of judgement from the Maker.      

 

Which is why I was glad that Solas at least takes issue with the whole business with someone he hates.   However, you'd think he'd at least bring it up with a friend, along the lines of "are you really happy about the whole Herald thing after Adamant?"


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The HELL is Cullen doing sleeping on the job while a council to decide the fate of the Inquisition is going on?

 

Goddammit Cullen THIS is why I always leave Josephine in charge. Lazy jerk. 

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Sebastian was there first; he figured it out way back in DA2.   When discussing their respective religions with Merrill he actually commented that they were probably talking about the same thing.   Merrill's disingenuous response: "You mean the Maker wants us all to be elves?"    She got it right too, because actually he does.    I think even Merrill would be taken aback by the fact that the Maker is Fen'Harel though.  

This is why we need Merrill in a future game. I need to hear what she thinks on this stuff. And see her freak out. And smack Varric for all the stuff he has apparently decided he wasn't gonna tell her.



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Just to explain why I found it so difficult to see where the Herald idea was coming from when I first played the game.   At the time WoT2 had not yet been published, so I was unaware of Drakon's prophesy of the end of the world, which begins with a tearing open of the sky.   That at least made the initial belief explicable.   However, back in November 2014 all I knew was what had been taught in previous games and was found in World of Thedas 1.

 

The Chantry dogma is that the Maker turned away from the world because they worshipped false gods and left the Golden City when it was blackened by the sin of the invading Magisters.  He didn't intervene to actually stop them corrupting the Golden City, nor did he step in during the 1st Blight when mankind was teetering on the edge of extinction.   The only time he was persuaded to take an active role once more was when he fell in love with the voice raised in song and was moved by the entreaties of Andraste.   This lasted only so long until she was betrayed and thus, disillusioned by his creation once more, he again took the role of observer until such time as all people of the world unite to praise his name, at which point he will return and make the world a paradise once more.

 

Back in November 2014 nobody, be it in-game or outside of it, really knew that something like the Breach was possible, or how big of a threat to the world was Cory. So suddenly you have a hole in the sky, a Blighted horror from the past and the only person in the world we know of that is capable to do anything with rifts and chaos spawning everywhere. It really does seem like the world is ending and Maker is returning... which, in a sense, *might* be where the story is going, even if the whole 'return' and even "Maker" himself/herself/itself is entirely NOT what people have imagined to be.

 

In this scenario people banding around Herald of Andraste is sort of an inevitability.

 

 

The Chantry is not the Catholic Church.   With this real world religion there is a 2,000 years history of God directly intervening in events (actually it began much earlier than this but I am talking about just related to the specific religion).   Many people throughout that time have been attributed with having a special relationship with the deity as proven throughout the conduct of their lives and after death in the form of miracles performed in their name.   Some of these were given visions during their lifetime, some miraculous powers.    Not everyone who people put forward as such is actually proven to be a saint.   Visions in particular are given careful scrutiny and for every one that has been declared genuine, there are equally those which were not.

 

Missing the point. Whether miracles or sainthood were "proven" or accepted by Church doesn't change the fact that people believed in those that were not. Heck, there were entire schisms or creations of new denominations, or sometimes new religions, based around disagreements over either miracles or religious leaders or people that some wanted to believe were blessed. 



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NightSymphony: Just thought I'd let you know that I really like your last Atisha, particularly because she looks almost identical to my Atisha; white/grey hair, pale eyes.  The only difference is that mine has the vallaslin of Sylaise because she encourages the Way of Peace (Vir Atishan).   Is that why you chose the name, because it means peace?    That was the case for me.

:D Yes, because Atisha means peace. Varric's nickname for her is Dove because of her white hair and pale skin, but also because the dove is a symbol for peace. Yay for Atishas..lol. 


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Not missing the point at all.   What I'm saying is where are the schisms between those who believe, and ignore all the Chantry teaching on the matter, and those who don't?  They exist for a short time at the beginning and then disappear.  The fact that there were schisms in the real life church when you have a tradition of people who do have genuine visions/miracles attributed to them, is all the more reason why you would think there would be much more of a problem in an organisation where they have no tradition of them.   The people who refused to tow the line when the church pronounced on the matter are the ones that broke away and are the smaller entity.   Occasionally the church decides to wait before making a pronouncement because it is not clear cut.   When a person is claiming a vision that specifically contradicts the established faith of the church, that is always a good enough reason to think that it is false.  

 

Then as Solas points out it is a deception; after Adamant all the inner Circle know that it is, as do people like Giselle.   At this point, according to the Chantry's own teaching about honesty and how the Maker views deceivers, they should be telling people the truth.  Yet they continue to encourage you to deceive people.    It is quite possible even if you told the ordinary people of Skyhold they would rather not believe the truth but at least you have been honest about it.   As for Josephine asking you what she should say to people from outside your forces who want to know what Andraste said to you in the Fade, the answer is clear, it wasn't Andraste, there is no message. 

 

What makes it worse is if you accepted the title of Herald and are actually forgiving people in her name.   Again, you have no divine authority to do this and it is a deception.   Unlike the real world there is no ambiguity to this.   You know what the truth is.    A devout human follower of Andraste should actually have more of a problem with this than another race, who probably isn't familiar with their dogma and so may not feel so awkward about doing so.

 

The thing was, there were lots of different versions of Andrastrianism at the outset, immediately after her death, all with their own traditions, ceremonies and versions of the Chant.   Then Drakon decided to "simplify" things and that is why there is only one (or two counting Tevinter).     Strangely enough, if the old cult was still at Haven, they might well have seen you as a prophet of the Maker.   After all, they thought Andraste had been reborn as a dragon. 

 

The Chantry Mother in Val Royeaux actually says it: "For you to be true, a great many things must be false.  And if you are false a great many things must have failed."  She also says:  "I am left to question all I have been taught".  

 

In the end it is the heretical belief in the false prophet that wins out but this should not have been happening.   There should either have been a permanent split between those who believe you are the Herald and those that don't or there at least should have been large numbers of people having a serious crisis of faith.    That is what happens when something like this occurs in real life.  


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Umm..I have a question. I have made two new versions of my Atisha Lavellan. One with her original white hair and one with blonde...which one do you like more?

 

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Edit: I'm leaning towards the blonde.  The eyebrows just look too weird with the white hair.

 

The first one is nice, but I think I prefer the blonde one (it is probably because of the eyebrows). Very cute regardless of who you pick!  :)


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