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[Amburu]

To me they wanted to invade everything for a while, believing their qun is the only answer to maintain peace
They said something like "we cant let you live freely anymore look at all the chaos you're causing with magic" about da2 and dai at least

It does make sense, except they forbid free will and even free thinking
It might be necessary for the qunaris but this doesnt need to apply to everyone ever
But well... I guess that's not really a problem anymore #statues

[Gervaise]

The Viddasala says that the Breach convinced them they needed to act because the south were no longer capable of controlling their mages.    They would already have had word of the mage rebellion, so would have been watching things carefully anyway.   The last thing they would want would be a mage take over in the south, who might then seek to ally with Tevinter and bolster their forces.    They must have been keeping a close eye on the Venatori because she actually says that the agent of Fen'Harel gave his orb to Corypheus.   This seemed very odd to me because I couldn't work out how she would know that when even Corypheus himself did not.   However, if their spies had been tracking Venatori movements and knew they were looking for elven relics, I suppose they could have stumbled across the actual agent (not Solas) approaching the Venatori and giving them the location of the orb.  

 

Solas acted to stop their plans because the "Qunari offend me".    Letting them succeed would not further his plans so he wanted them stopped on principle.   I think he could have done this himself if he wanted to but he involved the Inquisition so that the south would be aware of the danger.    His thinking was likely that the south had been complaisant for too long about the threat posed by the Qunari.   Once the initial danger of invasion had been prevented, he then continued to involve himself because he wanted to save the Inquisitor from the anchor.   Quite why he did this, apart from the reason he gave, seems to be the main topic for debate when it comes to Solas.  

[CapricornSun]

Art. 

 

Regency AU Solavellan.

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Source: http://tsar-baklazha...-ilyana-and-her

 

Young Fen'Harel.

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Source: http://fleshwerks.tu...quested-a-young

 

Concept!Solas

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Source: http://kastubbins.tu...th-hair-used-my

 

Lovely Halamshiral!Solas lineart.

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Source: http://blueravenands...292/line-arting

 

Gorgeous sketches of Solas and Blackwall laughing.

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Source: http://synzen.tumblr...or-an-idea-of-a

[Melbella]

The Viddasala says that the Breach convinced them they needed to act because the south were no longer capable of controlling their mages.    They would already have had word of the mage rebellion, so would have been watching things carefully anyway.   The last thing they would want would be a mage take over in the south, who might then seek to ally with Tevinter and bolster their forces.    They must have been keeping a close eye on the Venatori because she actually says that the agent of Fen'Harel gave his orb to Corypheus.   This seemed very odd to me because I couldn't work out how she would know that when even Corypheus himself did not.   However, if their spies had been tracking Venatori movements and knew they were looking for elven relics, I suppose they could have stumbled across the actual agent (not Solas) approaching the Venatori and giving them the location of the orb.

Even this makes no sense though, because if she knew how Cory got the orb (through his Venatori who found out about it from "someone" who she then somehow connects to Solas) then she would also know the Breach had nothing to do with southern mages and everything to do with the Venatori from Tevinter.  

[Shechinah]

From the perspective of the Qun, the mage rebellion should have never been allowed to happen even prior to the Temple of Sacred Ashes.

[Melbella]

Right, but according to Viddasala, it wasn't the mage rebellion that spurred them to action; it was the Breach.

[Amburu]

How i understood it, the breach was the no-return point that lead to actively put the invading plan to action, but they were already real pissed about south magic disasters

[Gervaise]

Yes, I would imagine they had been getting increasingly worried about how things were going with the mages in the south and the Breach was what tipped them into action.   It is possible that at the time they hadn't made the connection between the Breach and the orb but after Corypheus appeared at Haven, then they realised that it was elven magic that had caused it.   Their agents were obviously in the Inquisition from an early stage so they were able to get reports and then they put Hissrad in place to get even more information (assuming you did recruit him).

 

I've been watching the videos again and something else struck me as strange.   I've always assumed it was Solas who awakened the guardian spirits in the Library that the Ghil-Dirthalen tells you about but she claims not to know him.   "One who is not known to me has awakened the spirits".    Spirits can usually read the minds of mortals but Solas is able to block Cole and it would seem he must have done the same with this spirit for her not to know who he is.   Either that or he caused her to "forget" his name.

[Auirel]

Both could be possible, though it should be noted that the spirit is not whole, rather split into the at least four instances you see throughout the library. Spirits are also not omnipotent, Solas could have awakened the guardian spirits with her being unaware of it, only for her to realise once she saw the guardian spirits later that someone must have awakened them. 

I also wish people wouldn't ascribe blame to Elves from the misuse of magic simply because it came from an Elven artifact. Elven magic may have torn the sky apart, but it was also Elven magic/person that closed it. Twice.

[Ellawynn]

*Crawls in from Trespasser desert, throat dry, lips cracked* More... DA4... please, sir... I need... DA4...

[CapricornSun]

Art.

 

Solas watching Lavellan sculpting with snow.

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Source: http://suketchilt.tu...verything-turns

 

Adorable Lavellan and the Dread Wolf.

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Source: http://yoookissomuru...d-the-dreadwolf

 

"Ar lath ma vhenan."

"I love you too."

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Source: http://dansey-pants....-i-love-you-too

 

Cute Solavellan art done for someone's birthday.

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Source: http://sirladysketch...genamesaretaken

 

Solas portrait by salesart.

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Source: http://salesart.tumb...rarepairsolas-d

 

Solas getting a bloody nose from Falon'Din from the modern AU fic Schooling Pride (previously known as the College AU)

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Source: http://bigbuffpugpuf...bleeding-in-the

 

Grey tone version of the Halamshiral!Solas lineart.

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Source: http://blueravenands...es-cant-help-it

 

Concept!Solas.

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Source: http://kay-jo-mackie...81134453/shrugs

 

A warm and cool egg.

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Source: http://destinyaposta...rm-and-cool-egg

[Amburu]

guyz.

I've just awaken from dreaming about cory and THEN an extensive lucid dream about Solavellan redeem reunion in da4, and fluffy moments while brainstorming to find solutions and also stuff happening with spirit mythal etc. It was. Fascinating and heartwarming but like super fascinating. My life feels so complete now. Omg. I'm so blown away. Usually I never dream about relevant things and everything is boring, but THIS. I cant even words

 

Among specific things : I even EXPERIENCED gravity variation as we did in the Fade. Also I had "life and feels as a spirit" times. I'm done with everything.

Funny detail : half of it was English and I'm French lol.

[rowrow]

guyz.

I've just awaken from dreaming about cory and THEN an extensive lucid dream about Solavellan redeem reunion in da4, and fluffy moments while brainstorming to find solutions and also stuff happening with spirit mythal etc. It was. Fascinating and heartwarming but like super fascinating. My life feels so complete now. Omg. I'm so blown away. Usually I never dream about relevant things and everything is boring, but THIS. I cant even words

 

Among specific things : I even EXPERIENCED gravity variation as we did in the Fade. Also I had "life and feels as a spirit" times. I'm done with everything.

Funny detail : half of it was English and I'm French lol.

 

You visited the Fade while awake? You know what this means, you are a mage. And visiting Solas while you're at it, very appropriate

 

I haven't had a lucid dream in more than a decade. I'm not sure I would like one about Solas at this point. I think it would just be lots of crying on my end.

[Amburu]

 haven't had a lucid dream in more than a decade. I'm not sure I would like one about Solas at this point. I think it would just be lots of crying on my end.

 

I would have expected as much but it was so interesting it actually made my day, even my whole week. Brains are a neat thing.

But it certainly helps that I can't have nightmares. Forever neutral-sweet dreams come in handy when Solas gets involved

[Qun00]

Roleplay wise, which do you find more enjoyable: Mage Lavellan or Hunter Lavellan?

[DreamerM]

Roleplay wise, which do you find more enjoyable: Mage Lavellan or Hunter Lavellan?

If we are talking romance, definitely mage. As first, she's been prepping to take on a leadership role in her clan, and as a mage, she's familiar enough with the Fade and the spirits within it to find Solas's explorations fascinating, rather then terrifying. I roleplayed that she has insatiable curiosity, and one reason she latches on to Solas is there seems to be nothing he is not an expert in.

I headcannoned that my Levellan at one point confesses to Solas how the early days of the Inquisition she struggled with a lot of culture shock. Before this, she'd planned on spending her lifetime avoiding humans in general (and Templar/Chantry affiliated humans in particular). Then she wakes up and suddenly there are humans everywhere. She tells Solas thank goodness he was there. His presence was ... familiar. Comforting. Like an old half-forgotten story.

[Qun00]

If we are talking romance, definitely mage. As first, she's been prepping to take on a leadership role in her clan, and as a mage, she's familiar enough with the Fade and the spirits within it to find Solas's explorations fascinating, rather then terrifying. I roleplayed that she has insatiable curiosity, and one reason she latches on to Solas is there seems to be nothing he is not an expert in.

I headcannoned that my Levellan at one point confesses to Solas how the early days of the Inquisition she struggled with a lot of culture shock. Before this, she'd planned on spending her lifetime avoiding humans in general (and Templar/Chantry affiliated humans in particular). Then she wakes up and suddenly there are humans everywhere. She tells Solas thank goodness he was there. His presence was ... familiar. Comforting. Like an old half-forgotten story.

That too, although I'm considering the whole game's experience.

[DreamerM]

That too, although I'm considering the whole game's experience.

Well, what do you think a Hunter could bring to the later parts of the game that a Mage couldn't?

[Sifr]

Well, what do you think a Hunter could bring to the later parts of the game that a Mage couldn't?

 

As I've said before on the thread, non-Mage Inquisitors (especially Lavellan) demonstrate to Solas that even in "world filled with Tranquil" post-Veil, there are people who's lives matter and are worth saving. It leads him to be more conflicted over what he's intending to do, because prior to the game he'd been rationalising because he didn't think them to be "real", so their deaths when he tore down the Veil wouldn't matter.

 

It makes some of his comments in In Hushed Whispers take on a new context as well, because the future version of Solas seems to have come to realisation that the "Dark Future" he thought he'd found himself in after he woke up, was actually far better than the one he's currently trapped in as he watches the walls between the Fade and Thedas slowly collapse around him.

 

Not to mention, it gave him a first hand experience of what tearing down the Veil would actually look like, from the point of view of the innocents he had intended to unleash that doom upon.

[DreamerM]

Not to mention, it gave him a first hand experience of what tearing down the Veil would actually look like, from the point of view of the innocents he had intended to unleash that doom upon.

 

That is definitely one of the things I would like my Levellan to yell at Solas as he heads through that Elluvian:

 

1. "Your friend! You remember your friend? You said it might reform, but it wouldn't be itself anymore.  This is the same. Even if your plan works.. it won't be the same world you remember. Your friend is never coming back."

2. "You begged me to stop it! You did that! In the future that never was, you said the fade and the real world were one. You said, if I could stop it, 'My life is yours.' Your words. You died to unmake that world, Solas. You died. I had to watch. I had to watch .... everyone ... die."

[CapricornSun]

Art.

 

Solas portrait.

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Source: http://dragonageinqu...es-i-tend-to-go

 

Pulchra Tenebris Page 36.

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DeviantArt link: http://kyndredraven....ellan-623755435

Tumblr link: http://thefateshaper...6-solaslavellan

 

Solas and Lavellan kissing. 

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Source: http://snidy.tumblr....igen-her-elanor

 

Lavellan hugging Solas while stabbing him on the back.

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Source: http://missacromantu...-serious-im-not

 

Modern AU Solas in an outfit based on the art challenge (below). ^__^;

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Source: http://trulynocturna...et-me-just-open

 

Sassy Solas.

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Source: http://hajimehaga.tu...o-color-this-be

 

Male Trevelyan and Dorian getting all cuddly in the tent. Solas isn't comfortable.

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Source: http://sdkay.tumblr....st/147905664870

 

Magic nerd Discussion Group. (M!Lavellan, Dorian, Vivienne, and Solas.)

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Source: http://sanzosin.tumb...agic-discussion

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

As I've said before on the thread, non-Mage Inquisitors (especially Lavellan) demonstrate to Solas that even in "world filled with Tranquil" post-Veil, there are people who's lives matter and are worth saving. It leads him to be more conflicted over what he's intending to do, 

 

Basically, this is why I like the idea of a hunter Lavellan over a mage Lavellan, personally. They're both perfectly valid and have their points, but I like this angle most.

 

Also, bringing up his future self's actions if you did In Hushed Whispers would have been nice. Though I think IHW does get a mention in conversation in Trespasser? Not with Solas but with another companion? Or maybe I'm crazy. I can't remember the specifics. 

[Amburu]

I share this point of view but even modern thedas elves are supposed to share some natural magic ability, aren't they ? Makes it even easier to me to stay on the hunter side and still feel relevant. (But I'll eventually go rift mage someday, for science)

[midnight tea]

It makes some of his comments in In Hushed Whispers take on a new context as well, because the future version of Solas seems to have come to realisation that the "Dark Future" he thought he'd found himself in after he woke up, was actually far better than the one he's currently trapped in as he watches the walls between the Fade and Thedas slowly collapse around him.

 

Not to mention, it gave him a first hand experience of what tearing down the Veil would actually look like, from the point of view of the innocents he had intended to unleash that doom upon.

 

I genuinely don't understand why people keep thinking that Corypheus dark future, which is entirely red-lyrium and demon-infested (with Cory forcing people to be sacrificed in order to summon demons or turn to abominations en masse) and where the Veil has shattered, but is not fully off (otherwise there would be no rifts, while the Redcliffe Castle was absolutely infested with them) is in any way similar to what Solas is planning to do.

 

We don't know that - in fact it would appear that whatever is going to happen is NOT going to end the way it did in dark Redcliffe given that Solas is NOT PHASED by revelations from dark future. In fact he calls the whole thing a wonderful gift.

 

Now, that gave me pause a little bit for a while, but now I get why - Solas admits to Cole in banter at the end of the game that he can never be certain if his decision to create the Veil and stop the Evanuris was the right one. In case of Cory, at least both he and Inky know exactly what will happen if they don't stop the magister. And while this puts a lot of pressure on Inquisition, such certainty is in many respects a blessing.

[rowrow]

I genuinely don't understand why people keep thinking that Corypheus dark future, which is entirely red-lyrium and demon-infested (with Cory forcing people to be sacrificed in order to summon demons or turn to abominations en masse) and where the Veil has shattered, but is not fully off (otherwise there would be no rifts, while the Redcliffe Castle was absolutely infested with them) is in any way similar to what Solas is planning to do.

 

We don't know that - in fact it would appear that whatever is going to happen is NOT going to end the way it did in dark Redcliffe given that Solas is NOT PHASED by revelations from dark future. In fact he calls the whole thing a wonderful gift.

 

Now, that gave me pause a little bit for a while, but now I get why - Solas admits to Cole in banter at the end of the game that he can never be certain if his decision to create the Veil and stop the Evanuris was the right one. In case of Cory, at least both he and Inky know exactly what will happen if they don't stop the magister. And while this puts a lot of pressure on Inquisition, such certainty is in many respects a blessing.

 

I'm certain Solas learned a lot from the Inquisitor's account of dark Redcliffe, but we don't really know what his feelings on it were, do we? Even if he was having a major internal freakout, it's not like he was going to let it show. The demeanour he cultivates with the Inquisition is pragmatic and coolly speculative  for the most part. Any angsting he does is on his own time, at least until he gets to know the Inquisitor better (especially if romanced) and it starts to leak through. So the 'great gift' comment I always took to mean that it was greatly useful in terms of what could be learned from it. I could just see his mind going a million miles at that point, and not just for the Inquisition's sake but for his own plans as well.

 

Also, I'm not confident that Solas' plans for the Veil don't actually look worse than Cory's dark future. We don't have much to go on, but we know Solas probably doesn't intend to set himself up as a new God, so he won't bother with Cory's posturing and cultivating of his own myth, raising demon armies etc. Less mess and flourishing, more pure destruction from the ground up? Whatever outcome he's after, he'd probably want it done as cleanly and efficiently as possible, without protracted suffering. Not that it'll go that way, of course.