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[Roxy]

It'll be interesting to find out Solas' views on the Dalish. I have a feeling he doesn't agree with some of their ways but respects them.

Oooh now that's something I gotta know when I meet him.  ^^

 

No, but it does go both ways. Plenty of humans still enslave the elves or treat them as little better than refuse. The Dalish get hunted and run off if they stay too long in one place. That may be due to the Dalish causing problems to humans in the area, or it could just be humans see it as fun sport or a necessity to "protect" themselves and maintain superiority. So while the humans who destroyed everything for the elves are as long dead as the elves that had everything destroyed, there are still issues that cause tension between the races. Humans aren't blameless there. I'm not surprised the Dalish are wary and hostile depending on the situation.

 

I don't intend to play an "I hate all humans!" elf either, but you damn well bet she's going to take her time in trusting others and weighing whether they're worthy of that level of respect.

I'm just gonna say...you are right and you are and I believe there is blame on both sides. 

I'm not thinking clearly today...... one of those days.....

 

 

Also I'm glad I'm not the only one that will be playing that type of elf. 

[Felya87]

Solas being a pro-Dalish would kill a good chunk of my entusiasm for him. I can't stand the arrogance they have towards others elves, is something that I have from my first run at DAO. I think I was a little too much invested in my CE, but I was as deluded as her when meeting the Dalish the first time.

I plan on roleplayng a elf rogue who can't wait to leave the clan and their arrogance. I don't care for the hate against humans -is not right, but is understandable, and quite specular to the human's- but I can't stand the way Dalish treat the City Elves.

 

having to be Dalish to be an Elf is the only thing I don't like much about DAI so far. I only hope I can roleplay as "less Dalish" as possible 

[LobselVith8]

I get what your saying and I do have sympathy for them but they need to stop with the attitude towards the humans of today they aren't the ones that destroyed Arlathan and took their lands away from them. Anyways this was just about why I wouldn't let my dalish who is going to love all races ( I hope we can have our elves be that way I don't want them to be grumpy and moan "I hate the Shemlen!" all the time lol  ) and will go with Solas wherever he wants at the end. The dalish I just don't like their rules and some of their attitudes and I feel as if they will give my Dalish elf and Solas problems even though he is an elf too and I'm sticking to it of them going elsewhere to have freedom and live happily ever after. 

 

Well, considering how the Chantry outlawed their religion and templars pursue their mages, I don't think there has been much opportunity for the Dalish to really get to know Andrastian humans; the few opportunities that have transpired have been hostile, like when human lords and lynch mobs drive the clan away from their land, or when they're threatened over their religious beliefs, like the Sabrae Clan was in Act III. Inquisition may change that for the long-term, particularly with an elven Inquisitor who might invite clans to be part of the organization, since it might allow Andrastian humans and Dalish to work together for a common goal, and perhaps get to know one another.

 

There are also Dalish who don't outright hate humans, like Lanaya, Elora, Cammen, the members of Velanna's clan, Keeper Marethari, and Merrill, to name a few, and there's supposed to be a semi-permanent colony of Dalish living outside one of the Rivaini settlements, with humans who follow the Natural Order, and are even encouraged to purchase elven goods from the Dalish. You should be able to roleplay your Dalish protagonist (and your view on humans) in a multitude of ways.

 

Also curious to learn more about Solas' and his views on spirits and the Beyond. He seems to have a rather unique background, as someone who lived an atypical lifestyle and is a self-taught mage.

[HurricaneGinger]

I'll definitely play a Dalish who is very wary of humans, especially when they cage her then suddenly ask for help. Her and Cass won't start off on good terms. XD

 

I think I've settled on the name Terrwyn for my Lavellan. It means "fair and brave" in Welsh.

 

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Oh, and here she is from the Sims 4 demo:

 

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[veeia]

I think Solas can be pro-Dalish without supporting their indifference/dissociation from City Elves! I mean, he's the one who likes to see complications and contradictions, right? I think the Dalish's isolation tendencies are both beneficial to them (in that it allows them to keep their culture and autonomy) and detrimental (in that it keeps them from having any real power in the world to get their lands back by cutting out their potential allies and keeping them scattered about), and while I don't think Solas's POV will be that exactly, it's easy to see nuance in their culture (including bad things!) and still support/want to help them. 

 

Just purely from what we know (which is very little), I think Solas will have a lot of respect for their knowledge and desires (their quest for knowledge about their heritage/history is certainly something he'll be for) but since he's spent most of his life alone and not held back by traditions/committee, he's not going to be as understanding if their deep set distrust of humans/other elves keeps them from from achieving their goals. But who knows! 

 

I def think if anyone is hoping Solas is ANTI Dalish, they should consider tempering that hope. I don't think Solas will be super "pro" or "anti" anything. He doesn't seem like someone who is interested in taking sides so much as finding answers. 

 

Or maybe that's just my hope.

[Roxy]

Alright I'm going to lay it out...since I wasn't very clear on my posts earlier and wasn't thinking clearly either,I'm starting to think people around here are thinking I completely hate elves. NO!    

( I just have mixed feelings on the Dalish)

 

I love the elves and I do have sympathy for them especially the city elves. I know the dalish are trying to protect themselves and they have every right. I don't like the slavery that goes on with elves I never once not even in my Mean Hawke playthrough gave Fenris to the slavers. I do think there are fault on both sides between elves and humans. I have said in my earlier posts that not all elves are mean some are...and from my experience in the games I don't like it when my human Warden or Hawke goes up to an elf and they get a rude racist comment and neither did I like when Duke Prosper called Fenris Hawkes slave....or was it servant? Can't remember. 

 

In my earlier post I was just pointing out that I don't like some of the Dalish's attitude because they seem to be rude not all but some of them. You get the attitude like Velanna'a which she was not my favorite character in Awakening her being so racist and hateful towards humans. I also didn't like that how in the Dalish warden's backstory his/her parents weren't allowed to be together which I thought was wrong that's one of the reasons why I don't want my Dalish elf take Solas into her clan, but that might change maybe they will accept him maybe not, I'm just guessing.

 

 

Now lets all hug each other like Good Solassians

 

 

 

Oh and I came by this on Tumblr not sure if it's been posted here:

 

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http://edenprimes.tu...ost/96009595024 

 

 

[drake2511]

I'll definitely play a Dalish who is very wary of humans, especially when they cage her then suddenly ask for help. Her and Cass won't start off on good terms. XD

 

I think I've settled on the name Terrwyn for my Lavellan. It means "fair and brave" in Welsh.

 

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Oh, and here she is from the Sims 4 demo:

 

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Oh, I love her!
The name of my Lavellan will probably be Ceridwen, I think it means "blessed poetry" or something similar (I read it somewhere some time ago) and it is the name of a Celtic goddess of Poetry   Solas will fall in love with her right away, I mean he reads Shakespeare, right?

[Felya87]

from the twitter tread 

 

[Roxy]

I'll definitely play a Dalish who is very wary of humans, especially when they cage her then suddenly ask for help. Her and Cass won't start off on good terms. XD

 

I think I've settled on the name Terrwyn for my Lavellan. It means "fair and brave" in Welsh.

 

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Oh, and here she is from the Sims 4 demo:

 

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She's so purty!!!! 

 

Here's PhatePhoenix's Solas and my Arya (Which means "Noble")

 

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from the twitter tread 

 

*regretful snip*

 

This was my reaction when I saw that pic:

 

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But seriously I would pick Winters grasp that spell has saved my Hawkes life so many times lol. 

[HurricaneGinger]

She's so purty!!!! 

 

Here's PhatePhoenix's Solas and my Arya (Which means "Noble")

 

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I made a Solas and Terrwyn in Sims 3...so not the same. XD The CC is disappointing! XD

[Gervaise]

According to my Welsh dictionary, Terrwyn means brave and fierce, and Terwyn means fiery and ardent, so I'm guessing your lady is really hot!  (Sorry, terrible pun).   

I have been using Welsh names for my elves for some time now.   I'm thinking of making my elf mage, Annwyl, which means beloved.   However, I've also been looking at the elf words on the Wiki and saw Emma lath means My Love, though I suppose that is what I hope Solas will ultimately be calling her, so having it as her name would seem odd.  

 

From what the Keeper in Masked Empire says, the clans can be very different in their approach to city elves.   He could barely countenance the idea of admitting one to his clan, particularly if not a mage, because they are "poor cousins lost to us forever", but he admits that other clans may do so either to bolster their numbers or out of pity.  I think it is a misconception that the Dalish are uniform in their ways.   Yes, they all live a nomadic lifestyle, led by Keepers and try to recover their lost lore, but beyond that they can be very different; some are even semi-permanent in their locale; some are willing to trade with humans for the things they need; some are little better than bandits and act accordingly.

 

One thing I am curious about, that I hope Solas may be able to enlighten me on, and that is just when the eluvians stopped functioning.    I had always believed this was around the time of the fall of Arlathan.   However, in Masked Empire, Imshael states to Michel that whilst they were created by the ancient elves, they had been sleeping since "your lads took Halamshiral".   If this is not a mistake on the part of the author, this means that at the time of the Dales the eluvians were either still functioning from the time of Arlathan or had been reawakened by someone from the new elven nation.     This could explain how the elves managed to get to Val Royeaux before any counter offensive could be started and why they didn't realise that the Exalted March was attacking their capital until it was too late.    However, I would be interested to know who had control of them, whether they shut down after the fall of Halamshiral (to stop them falling into enemy hands) or after they had used them to escape (I've often wondered how the alleged nobility that became the Dalish managed to get away) and whether they shut them down knowing it would leave their forces by Val Royeaux stranded and in an impossible position.    Also why was this knowledge lost if it was still known at the time of the Dales?

[Mead Knight]

Oh man, I love playing as a shem'lin hating Dalish. It always amused me when my Warden accused someone of racism and then they would always backpeddle and hastily try to appologize. Good times.

 

I can never think of names for my character until I have actually made them in the CC. It's a horrible weakness of mine. Though, I have finally settled on being a ranger-ish character, not a mage as I originally intended.

[RynJ]

from the twitter tread 

 

*snip*

 

Oh man I get ridiculously excited whenever I see Solas show up in official things. 

 

As for names, I'm usually really bad at coming up with them. Heck, I named my canon Warden "Reina" because I knew she was going to become queen!

 

I think I've settled on Cari for my Dalish girl, though. If I recall correctly, it comes from the word "love" or "beloved" in Welsh. And apparently it also means flowing water in Turkish which also fits. I actually looked on one of those websites that will predict your personality based on your name just out of curiousity. And as it turned out, the description they gave for women with the name Cari was so accurate to how I'd imagined my Inquisitor that it was frightening. I guess I chose her name well!

 

As for her relationship with humans, she's going to not be as wary as the rest of her clan might like. She's not going to be a huge fan of the Dalish prejudice and restrictions and will be eager to meet new people. Though she may have more of an appreciation for the family unit of her clan once she's really thrown out into that big bad world. I wonder if mage Dalish Inquisitors in particular will be pressured to go back to the clan. They're the Keeper's First, after all. She'll bring Solas with her whether they like it or not!

 

Though this is all assuming that the clan will even survive the game. Knowing BioWare, it's possible that they'll all just get wiped out at some point.

[Magdalena11]

My first Dalish Inq is going to be pretty wary of humans, but willing to trust them if they're willing to earn it.  All she's going to want is to give something of their own back to her people.  If that means she has to make a compromise with the shems, she'll do it with caution, but she'll take a small risk for a big reward.  Big risk, small reward, it's not looking too attractive.  For me, the biggest problem is where do you start and where do you stop?  As far as the Dalish are concerned, everything is broken.  Nothing is ever going to make up for past mistakes, and she doesn't really care what difficulties humans encounter as a result of their previous greed.  At the same time, she knows that if she asks for too much too soon, it's going to blow up in her face.  She'd rather get a little bit of something rather than a whole lot of nothing.

 

I wonder if Solas has some kind of link to Arlathan and hope to see that show up in my Dalish story.  It's sooo tempting...

[LobselVith8]

According to my Welsh dictionary, Terrwyn means brave and fierce, and Terwyn means fiery and ardent, so I'm guessing your lady is really hot!  (Sorry, terrible pun).   

I have been using Welsh names for my elves for some time now.   I'm thinking of making my elf mage, Annwyl, which means beloved.   However, I've also been looking at the elf words on the Wiki and saw Emma lath means My Love, though I suppose that is what I hope Solas will ultimately be calling her, so having it as her name would seem odd.  

 

Interesting names.

 

Solas might call her that; Zevran spoke a little Antivan (technically Spanish) to address a romanced Warden, so I could see Solas doing the same with an elven term of endearment for a Lavellan Inquisitor whom he has fallen in love with.

 

From what the Keeper in Masked Empire says, the clans can be very different in their approach to city elves.   He could barely countenance the idea of admitting one to his clan, particularly if not a mage, because they are "poor cousins lost to us forever", but he admits that other clans may do so either to bolster their numbers or out of pity.  I think it is a misconception that the Dalish are uniform in their ways.   Yes, they all live a nomadic lifestyle, led by Keepers and try to recover their lost lore, but beyond that they can be very different; some are even semi-permanent in their locale; some are willing to trade with humans for the things they need; some are little better than bandits and act accordingly.

 

If Mihris shows up, I wonder if Clan Virnehn will be mentioned. Since the clans meet every ten years for the Arlathvhen (which is how Velanna and Ariane recognized Mahariel), I hope it's possible for the Lavellan Inquisitor to express utter contempt for Thelhen and his views. His opinion on the city elves was disgusting, and I hated him with the burning rage of a thousand suns.

 

One thing I am curious about, that I hope Solas may be able to enlighten me on, and that is just when the eluvians stopped functioning.    I had always believed this was around the time of the fall of Arlathan.   However, in Masked Empire, Imshael states to Michel that whilst they were created by the ancient elves, they had been sleeping since "your lads took Halamshiral".   If this is not a mistake on the part of the author, this means that at the time of the Dales the eluvians were either still functioning from the time of Arlathan or had been reawakened by someone from the new elven nation.     This could explain how the elves managed to get to Val Royeaux before any counter offensive could be started and why they didn't realise that the Exalted March was attacking their capital until it was too late.    However, I would be interested to know who had control of them, whether they shut down after the fall of Halamshiral (to stop them falling into enemy hands) or after they had used them to escape (I've often wondered how the alleged nobility that became the Dalish managed to get away) and whether they shut them down knowing it would leave their forces by Val Royeaux stranded and in an impossible position.    Also why was this knowledge lost if it was still known at the time of the Dales?

 

Perhaps the elves of the Dales were able to tap into the power of the Eluvians? It's never explained why Iloren and his people were in the Anderfels during the Second Blight, so it's possible there may have been elven scouts searching for clues about the ancient elven civilization of Elvhenan, and some may have uncovered the Eluvians.

 

It's an intriguing idea, if the nobility and non-nobility who became the Dalish used the Eluvians to help facilitate their escape from Chantry forces. As for why it might've been lost, Ariane mentions that the Circle took some elven artifacts and tomes after the fall of the Dales, so I suspect the knowledge could have been lost with the ones who stayed behind and sacrificed themselves to facilitate the escape of the others.

[LadyKarrakaz]

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One thing I am curious about, that I hope Solas may be able to enlighten me on, and that is just when the eluvians stopped functioning.    I had always believed this was around the time of the fall of Arlathan.   However, in Masked Empire, Imshael states to Michel that whilst they were created by the ancient elves, they had been sleeping since "your lads took Halamshiral".   If this is not a mistake on the part of the author, this means that at the time of the Dales the eluvians were either still functioning from the time of Arlathan or had been reawakened by someone from the new elven nation.     This could explain how the elves managed to get to Val Royeaux before any counter offensive could be started and why they didn't realise that the Exalted March was attacking their capital until it was too late.    However, I would be interested to know who had control of them, whether they shut down after the fall of Halamshiral (to stop them falling into enemy hands) or after they had used them to escape (I've often wondered how the alleged nobility that became the Dalish managed to get away) and whether they shut them down knowing it would leave their forces by Val Royeaux stranded and in an impossible position.    Also why was this knowledge lost if it was still known at the time of the Dales?

I like this theory about the Eluvians. I really hope Solas will teach us more info about them.

 

EDIT: I had to add this pic (source)

[RebbyWriter]

My Elf quizzy is going to be named Penelo which is just a short version of my mother's name, Penelope. Names can be difficult to decide on. For me, it takes longer to choose a name than to make the actual character...and I'm a writer! I thought about using a name from my book but the people in my story are individual and I love creating whole new characters and situations and background (Yeah. I'm one of those people)

 

I just got Sims 4 last night and have been debating on using their creator to make my Lavellan...but I still might change my mind on her appearance depending on the depth of Inquisition's CC.

 

Also, I love how Solas has been getting a little more face time in the videos/shots (maybe in this particular case, head time?) I swear, we are one of the few groups that can get happy just by seeing the back of someone's head. Dat bald....dem ears. lol

[Brass_Buckles]

If he did agree to it, would he be interested in learning the old elven magic?

 

 

Even if Solas were to join the Dalish, or decided to join the Circle, he can never learn their forms of magic, because he's been a hedge mage for long enough that his personal sort of magic is all he can ever use.  Not to say he can't learn more ways to use his own magic; he could.  But he'll never learn the "official" ways, either from the Circle or the Dalish.

[Tamyn]

Why is that? Does magic style get coded into your DNA or something as you age? People in their 40s can learn new things. The dev comments I remember reading were more along the lines of "a hedge mage doesn't know those styles", not "a hedge mage can never learn those styles." He's not a drugged up qunari mage with his mind warped and turned into a weapon. Maybe I missed something.

[LobselVith8]

Why is that? Does magic style get coded into your DNA or something as you age? People in their 40s can learn new things. The dev comments I remember reading were more along the lines of "a hedge mage doesn't know those styles", not "a hedge mage can never learn those styles." He's not a drugged up qunari mage with his mind warped and turned into a weapon. Maybe I missed something.

 

It's something Gaider mentioned in his interview with Lady Insanity. Specifically, Gaider said, "Hedge mages don't have specific magic. Hedge magic - it's magic that hasn't been developed. It's like a river that gets dammed and thus the power sort of seeks alternate means of expression. Hedge magic can cover a wide, different mount of varieties, and end up with someone who's not actually doing spells - their natural magic tone is expressing itself in ways that normal mages consider - well, you basically ruin your talent. Because once you do that, there's no way to go back. Right? A hedge mage cannot turn around later and do proper spells."

[Tamyn]

 their natural magic tone is expressing itself in ways that normal mages consider - well, you basically ruin your talent. Because once you do that, there's no way to go back. Right? A hedge mage cannot turn around later and do proper spells."

 

That almost sounds more like a "normal mage's" opinion of hedge mages to me though, not actual proven science in the world. Especially with the "Right?" he asks. It's still unclear to me, but DG likes being cryptic. I can see it being a point that Vivienne and Dorian would like to rag on Solas for, even if he could possibly surpass them in magic skill.

 

And I know there's a separation between gameplay and lore, but a mage PC can probably learn both hedge magic skills and Circle mage skills.

 

A good D&D comparison would be Wizards vs. Sorcerers it seems, but with the opposite effects (wizards have a larger spell library and sorcerers are more specialized).

[Uirebhiril]

 

And I know there's a separation between gameplay and lore, but a mage PC can probably learn both hedge magic skills and Circle mage skills.

 

I do wonder about that. Will Solas have his own unique set of spells, or a mix of unique and a limited amount of the ones every other mage can use? It would be a little strange if he had exactly the same spells as Circle mages.

[Tamyn]

If he has lightning bolt and force barrier and winter's grasp, those are Circle mage spells. Or maybe they are considered basic to every mage. I think the only difference he will have is his specialization and the spells therein.

[Patchwork]

We're not getting companion exclusive spec trees so I think any hedge magic will be kept to cut scenes and his relic sensing thing. 

[Tamyn]

We're not getting companion exclusive spec trees so I think any hedge magic will be kept to cut scenes and his relic sensing thing. 

 

 

Okay, complete story and combat system segregation then. Then I guess it doesn't matter what hedge mages can or cannot do, since the game won't reflect it!