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[SamanthaJ]

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Well he is Fen'harel, perhaps he will have learned from whatever gave him his bad reputation in the first place.

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Maybe this. Maybe that's why he uses the name Solas, 'Pride'. Pride isn't really a good thing. And in that one dialogue (please don't ask which one) he did mention a younger elf that thought they knew everything. So maybe he recognizes that pride has gotten him into trouble and uses it as a reminder. I don't know. I don't know anything. Ignore me. 

[Vylix]

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Maybe this. Maybe that's why he uses the name Solas, 'Pride'. Pride isn't really a good thing. And in that one dialogue (please don't ask which one) he did mention a younger elf that thought they knew everything. So maybe he recognizes that pride has gotten him into trouble and uses it as a reminder. I don't know. I don't know anything. Ignore me. 

Well. In any case I suppose we wont know until more content is released on the topic.

 

I really hope it lets us conclude the romance fully, good or bad.

[TheComfyCat]

And I'm bugging you guys with question again since I'm super slow, and only just finished Adamant Fortress.  I've logged 50 hours and I haven't even done Halamshiral 

 

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Am I missing a Solas scene after Adamant?  He ranted about the Wardens for a bit, but just about every other character has some sort of cutscene conversation.  I did tick him off by keeping the Wardens, so that might be it, but I had boatloads of approval from him going into that quest chain.  I'd actually stopped getting approval for elven artifacts.

 

Solas seems to have fewer cut scenes than some (most?) of the other characters. For most story quests, he won't have a cut scene about it afterward, unfortunately. Which of his scenes have you seen so far?

[Nika]

Yeah he really has very little scenes compared to the others... And things to talk about too, pretty much nothing after coming to Skyhold

How much quests did you guys get with Solas? The wiki says there are three but I think I only got two
They're called:
Measuring the Veil (The one with the artifact I think)
All New, Faded for her (the one with his spirit friend)
What lies Dormant (???)

[Han Yolo]

So I keep reading about this thing

 

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that Solas gave the orb to Coryphishit. It appears I completely missed that, shame on me. When is this mentioned?

[Nika]

So I keep reading about this thing

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that Solas gave the orb to Coryphishit. It appears I completely missed that, shame on me. When is this mentioned?

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the scene after the credits between Flemeth and him. She says something like "You shouldn't have given your orb to Corypheus" and he says he did it because he was too weak

[Han Yolo]

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the scene after the credits between Flemeth and him. She says something like "You shouldn't have given your orb to Corypheus" and he says he did it because he was too weak

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Oh God how could I possibly have missed this? I suppose I was too distracted by what the hell "I" kissed the dread wolf.. Thanks for the answer.

[TheComfyCat]

Regarding his romance, I keep wondering...

 

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Why did they add him later in development as a romance option, when they knew he would always leave the party? His story is still a cliffhanger, regardless of whether or not you romanced him, so I think there's bound to be more content involving him. I just really hope that they also planned to utilize future content to tie up the loose ends for his romance.

[Nyaore]

Regarding his romance, I keep wondering...

 

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Why did they add him later in development as a romance option, when they knew he would always leave the party? His story is still a cliffhanger, regardless of whether or not you romanced him, so I think there's bound to be more content involving him. I just really hope that they also planned to utilize future content to tie up the loose ends for his romance.

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I think they did it to give us more insight into his character honestly. He has the least amount of interaction of all the characters, yet plays a crucial role in many main story missions and has that knock out of an ending. It makes sense that they'd want some way for players to chip away at his outer shell and see the person beneath. It 'humanizes' him, or rather 'elfizes' him, because with the romance we get to see him far more uncertain and gentle than otherwise.

[Kitsune]

So many people tell their romance stories. I personally a sucker for friendships more than romance.

I played as human mage and surprisingly for me have become a very good friend with Solas and I liked every second of it. So much respect and friendship, almost like my Varric-Hawke.

[Arahnea]

It seems like I jumped pretty late on the Solas shipping vessels but it not dissappointing so far ^^ I decided last minute to change my first character from Qunari to Elf just because I wanted her to have as many romantic options available even if I didn't find bald elves  with turtlenecks that appealing...

 

But then the game started and from the moment he grabbed her hand to close that rift, the deal was pretty much sealed   He ties in to the story beautifully

[Han Yolo]

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About the Dread Wolf thing, dunno if that was mentioned but whatever Fen'Harel did to the dalish gods, I don't think it was really evil, maybe it was even justified. Codex says he is probably the god of rebellion and not trickery anyhow, and in the temple we learn that at least some of the gods seemed to be quite bad. Like, Falon'Din killing those who would not bow to him, or Andruil falling into madness. Seems like the Dalish have gotten it the wrong way round, no wonder he's not too fond of them.

 

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Then, his chambers… I kept thinking that oh my dalish Inquisitor must feel quite uncomfortable with eyes and wolves galore on the walls, like the Dread Wolf is watching, how can Solas stand this creepy room? Muahah the irony. I knew he was more than he led on but that… naah. Well played. 

 

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And his romance scenes are really well done. When he turns away Lavellan just looks so completely lost and heartbroken, lord it made me snivel. Damn you super selfish sweetheart, I don't think I can romance anyone else soon.

 

Also, why do I have to put every paragraph into seperate spoiler tags for them to work? Is there a trick?

[Sylvanfeather]

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the scene after the credits between Flemeth and him. She says something like "You shouldn't have given your orb to Corypheus" and he says he did it because he was too weak

 

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But do you think he actively gave it to him, or was it more of a situation he couldn't do much about Corphyeus taking it from him? It sounded like he was physically too weak rather than weakness of the mind or spirit.

 

 

Regarding his romance, I keep wondering...

 

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Why did they add him later in development as a romance option, when they knew he would always leave the party? His story is still a cliffhanger, regardless of whether or not you romanced him, so I think there's bound to be more content involving him. I just really hope that they also planned to utilize future content to tie up the loose ends for his romance.

 

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I keep coming back around to the same thing. Why have him as a romance at all when it was predetermined where his story arc was taking him, which was ultimately out of our Lavellens' life. Does it really give a bit more insight to his character? Particularly as he was available to such a limited subset of players. (I still can't quite figure out did he really have to be for females only - was there something missed that makes this a bit clearer?) In most of the romance scenes it was him fighting against any attraction, which he sort of succeeded at, basically walking away each time. There are a few comments he makes that maybe he had the wrong opinion about the Dalish, but that didn't need to be limited to a LI and could have been any elf he became friends with. Don't get me wrong, I still really love his character and am glad for the included romance but it definitely leaves me a little bit confused.

Modifié par Sylvanfeather, 24 novembre 2014 - 11:55 .

[Nika]

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But do you think he actively gave it to him, or was it more of a situation he couldn't do much about Corphyeus taking it from him? It sounded like he was physically too weak rather than weakness of the mind or spirit.

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I'd say physically too weak, it would also explain why he joins the Inquisition. He's not strong enough to get it back on his own, that's also why he absorbs (or whatever) Flemeth I'd say. To gain her power because "the people need him"

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I keep coming back around to the same thing. Why have him as a romance at all when it was predetermined where his story arc was taking him, which was ultimately out of our Lavellens' life. Does it really give a bit more insight to his character? Particularly as he was available to such a limited subset of players. (I still can't quite figure out did he really have to be for females only - was there something missed that makes this a bit clearer?) In most of the romance scenes it was him fighting against any attraction, which he sort of succeeded at, basically walking away each time. There are a few comments he makes that maybe he had the wrong opinion about the Dalish, but that didn't need to be limited to a LI and could have been any elf he became friends with. Don't get me wrong, I still really love his character and am glad for the included romance but it definitely leaves me a little bit confused.

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Well I certainly hope that they included him saying that he'll explain everything because it'll happen eventually. Maybe he also got less scenes because he will have a DLC or something? I have to say the lack of scenes kinda bothers me, I feel people that don't romance him don't get to know him at all...

[Felya87]

[kalasaurus]

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I'll be honest, I am pretty confused too about why he was a romance after thinking about it...

 

My reaction at the ending went from...

Why did Solas leave my Inquisitor!?!?

to

 After the credits.

 

I really hope for some kind of resolution in the future.  I agree with whoever compared this to how people who romanced Morrigan must have felt in Origins.  I wonder how it would further develop.  I have a little headcanon that he returns to her in her dreams   (yeah I'm pathetic).

 

Also, I'm wondering... how will Morrigan or the Inquisitor drinking from the Well affect their romance?  I had Morrigan drink from it, and now I'm wondering if it would be any different in the future if the Inquisitor does it.

[ConcernedGeek]

I'm sorry to jump in and bother you guys, but I saw you were talking and had to jump in. I've had this lingering feeling for awhile now, and just need to hear some feedback. I'm not sure if this is off topic or not. Okay, here I go.

The dalish wear slave markings, and probably continue to out a sense of tradition than out of knowledge. I felt like Solas looked down on the Dalish all those times not because he resented them for their misinterpretation of his actions, but because of classism.

Okay, but hear me out. If Arlathan really was similiar to tevinter could it be possible that they treated most "mundane" elves as badly as mundane peopel in tevinter. Could it be that Solas doesn't even really see any present day elves as people? If so why would he ever seal the creators and forgotten ones away? If he doesn't believe eleven slaves and their descendants are worth saving then why did he seal those guys away in the first place? We're they doing something that would irrevocably destroy the world? And could it be that he resents the dalish for not wanting to accept the truth of their slave heritage. I remember Dorian talking about how no one ever wants to admit to shitting the bed; no one wants to admit there are bad parts to their culture.
And one last question. If Fen'harel sealed all the magic users or higher class people away is it possible that the spirits are them? Maybe reaching out across in their sleep like Solas does. Did Solas trick all the old gods into going into an eternal sleep indefinitely? Maybe he said the world would end and that he would fix it? Kind of like Javik and the Protheans did?
Oh! Also, were we given a massive hint though skyhold? Solas was the only one who knew about it, and Morrigan said it was built by elves long ago?

[DragonRacer]

I swear there was some quote from David Gaider where, in answer to a "what next?" sort of question he hinted that they might explore more lore about Arlathan and the ancient elves because nobody really knows what was up with them. Anybody else remember that? I can't remember where I saw it.

 

Mike Laidlaw, actually. It was in one of the 8 billion interviews/reviews that dropped after the review embargo was lifted a week before game release.

 

This one: http://www.gamespot....u/1100-6423437/

 

 

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Maybe he was too embarassed? I don't see him having a word that isn't a tad bit embarrassing. 

Or worse. Maybe he howls instead.   

 

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Oh, thank God I'm not the only person who had that kinky howling-at-climax thought! LMFAO

 

Photo dump time!

 

Took this one at the entrance of the ancient elven ruin Solas leads you to in the Hinterlands. I found it interesting that a Grey Warden banner was hung there, and then a banner I did not recognize... does it look wolfish to you? The one on the right?

 

 

 

A sad one... Solas if you took him on the "In Hushed Whispers" Redcliffe side of the quest

 

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Then, in the Exalted Plains. Was not sure if these statues were meant to be dogs or wolves, but took a selfie. LOL

 

 

 

Ironically enough, I nicked some Ancient Elven Robes from the Shrine of Sylaise, so somebody's over here bringing sexy back...

 

 

 

 

[vertigomez]

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Maybe this. Maybe that's why he uses the name Solas, 'Pride'. Pride isn't really a good thing. And in that one dialogue (please don't ask which one) he did mention a younger elf that thought they knew everything. So maybe he recognizes that pride has gotten him into trouble and uses it as a reminder. I don't know. I don't know anything. Ignore me.

Oh, but I love this! What's that he says in the beginning..?

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Something about Pride demons being corrupted spirits of Wisdom? Something like that. Anyway, Solas seems to have pulled a Cole and is going in the opposite direction... that is, he's become wiser with age. He is no longer the reckless Fen'Harel he once was!

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ME TOO. tbh I was really unnerved when the whole Fen'harel thing was confirmed because I was worried that Solas's Solas-ness was just a mask for the capricious trickster underneath, but it turns out it's really...not. I mean, he definitely keeps a lid on who he is and why he's doing what he's doing, but everything else is just so honest; his love of the Fade, his compassion for the people you meet, his joy in sharing his knowledge, his confidence, his quiet sadness. He really isn't much of a trickster at all. He cares too much. Ironic that Fen'harel turned out to be this unassuming scruffy nerd.
 
Also, his defensive, "it has been a long time" in the conversation after the first kiss just cracks me up. I imagine that it has been a very long time. And him saying that he's less inhibited in the fade is adorable.

YEESSSSSS!

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I think the thing that ultimately convinces me that Solas is his "real" personality isn't the fact that he insists what he and Lavellan had was real (though I do believe that), but the fact that his greatest fear is dying alone. Even with the deceit, he's so damn earnest - loving Lavellan, his affection for Cole, gaining approval when you help people - none of this is necessary for an "unassuming" persona. It's all a part of who he is.

And yes, the "it has been a long time" line cracks me up. Mostly because he's so smooth before that- "sleep well?" and when you're like "wooaahh buddy that was a new experience" he gives this sexy little chuckle eheh. And then he gets awkward about not having ~done anything~ for a while and how he definitely wasn't the first one to use tongue. Aww, Solas, why are you so perfect?

[vertigomez]

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Psst, amigo! You might wanna spoiler tag all that.

I can't comment on most of it as I'm just plain uncertain about... pretty much everything lol, but I do think it's interesting that

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Solas was the only one who knew about Skyhold despite it supposedly being lost. He also mentions there being an "artifact" involved in the Breach and how he's willing to go through hell and high water to get it waaaay before we ever learn about the Orb.

[Mims]

About Solas's motivations;

 

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When I first heard that Solas was Fen'Heral, I definitely assumed that he had tricked everyone. But after going through the scenes with him, he really seems legitimate. Now, the Inquisitor could still end up going up against him, because Solas does have his own plans. But I don't think he was being false about his relationship with Lavellan, or his friendship to the others.

 

Oddly enough- I think what most reinforces this is his relationship with Cole. Particularly in the one-sided conversation Cole reveals about Solas telling him to forget what he might have gleamed form him. If Solas was a complete villain, Cole would have been a serious liability. I trust Cole's intuition. What he felt most about Solas was his regret and pain, not diabolical intentions.

[Ceoldoren]

So....just finished the game. I actually didn't do a Solas romance. And I think I'm kind of glad after all that...just...wow. 

[Sylvanfeather]

Posted this somewhere over in Scuttlebutt (spoilers), but my own thoughts about that final scene.

 

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My take is that there is obviously something else in play/at stake concerning the elven pantheon and by extension the orb. Maybe all the elven gods have orbs, or something similar, they are responsible to watch over. If they fail to do so, then maybe there is a higher power they have to answer to aka take the punishment/pay the price. (As they said. No gift comes without cost, right?) In Solas' declaration the people need him, it seemed like an unspoken agreement that Flemeth would sacrifice herself / pay the cost of his mistake. Personally, I'd like to think it's a bit more ambiguous the he may actually not absorb her soul/power, and that scene may just be more a reflection of his own. If you are combining their two spirits into one body, it doesn't really seem that anyone paid a price. IMO, Flemeth/Mythal dying and her soul & power disappearing makes more sense with the tone of regret in that scene. If possession was involved neither one would really be gone, no price paid and the sacrifice would not have as much impact.

[vertigomez]

^That whole scene still puzzles me greatly. Not the revelation so much as the... spoilery details. I don't understand what's happening well enough to form an opinion on it lol.

About Solas's motivations;
 

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When I first heard that Solas was Fen'Heral, I definitely assumed that he had tricked everyone. But after going through the scenes with him, he really seems legitimate. Now, the Inquisitor could still end up going up against him, because Solas does have his own plans. But I don't think he was being false about his relationship with Lavellan, or his friendship to the others.
 
Oddly enough- I think what most reinforces this is his relationship with Cole. Particularly in the one-sided conversation Cole reveals about Solas telling him to forget what he might have gleamed form him. If Solas was a complete villain, Cole would have been a serious liability. I trust Cole's intuition. What he felt most about Solas was his regret and pain, not diabolical intentions.

I absolutely adore his relationship with Cole, and agree with you on all accounts.

So....just finished the game. I actually didn't do a Solas romance. And I think I'm kind of glad after all that...just...wow.

But it just makes his romance all the more delicious.

[Prince of Keys]

Ironically enough, I nicked some Ancient Elven Robes from the Shrine of Sylaise, so somebody's over here bringing sexy back...

 
YES, THOSE ROBES. I've had him wearing those since I found them--they look really good on him (and terrible on my Inquisitor, haha). Also, those statues are wolves--there's a Codex entry attached to one where some random guy says he "slept like a babe-in-arms" because he felt like it was watching over him. c:
 
Some random stuff I've been collecting:

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First, this banter with Cole and Solas that I first posted on the other thread:
 

Cole: You don't need to envy me, Solas. You can find happiness in your own way.
Solas: I apologize for disturbing you, Cole. I am not a spirit, and sometimes it is hard to remember such simple truths.
Cole: They are not gone so long as you remember them.
Solas: I know.
Cole: But you could let them go.
Solas: I know that as well.
Cole: You didn't do it to be right. You did it to save them.
Inquisitor: Solas, what is Cole talking about?
Solas: A mistake. One of many made by a much younger elf who was certain he knew everything.
Cole: You weren't wrong, though.
Solas: Thank you, Cole.

 
Then this, which has the Codex entry "Offering to the Dread Wolf" attached to it (this is in the Exalted Plains by the dragon, by the way):

 
Regarding Skyhold--a note/letter thing that Solas addressed to the Inquisitor (it's at the bottom of the "On Skyhold" codex entry):

Inquisitor,
 
Your archivists have asked me how I came to know the name and location of Skyhold. To the latter, I may speak easily: when one walks in the Fade, any fortress that has seen enough battle shines as a beacon for spirits drawn to death and struggle, even centuries after disuse.

As to the former, I myself cannot say for certain. The whispers of old memories carry a thousand such names upon their breath, and it is possible that this name belonged to some other keep in some other land. Still, it seems an auspicious name, for there is one peculiarity of language that your scholars seem to have missed. When the words reached my dreaming mind, Skyhold was not simply a fortress near the sky, nor was it some simplistic allusion to holding up the sky. Skyhold--Tarasyl'an te'las--was "the place where the sky was held back." Given your efforts against the Breach and our battle against a madman who seeks to assault the Black City in the Fade, I can only hope that the Inquisition's new stronghold lives up to its name.

Solas

 
And from that same Codex entry, there's this:

Skyhold has not just been claimed time and again, but sacked as well. We've managed to uncover some remnants, including a scratching under a pillar that mentions the name given by your witch. Old but still long after the place had been built over. But the author knew something of its first purpose, or at least, something of a legend.

Var'landivalis him sa'bellanaris san elgar
Melanada him sa'miras fena'taldin (word missing)
Nadasalin telrevas ne suli telsethenera
Tarasyl'an te'las vehn'ir  abelath'vir (word missing)

Even with assistance from your elf, we managed only a partial translation. Elven is often a game of intents, not direct mapping of phonetic meaning.  That means it's a mess.

Our belief transformed into everything.
(assertation/problem? uncertain)
All time is transformed into the final/first death (uncertain),
Inevitable/threatened victory and horrible/promised freedom in the untorn veils, (uncertain)
Where the sky is held up/back, where the people give/gain love that is an apology/promise from/to... (missing subject, uncertain)

Mostly complete, as fragments go. The rhythm is strange, not like others I've recorded. Perhaps less a poem than a statement? The elven language does tend to meander.

-- Notes from the archivist

...and there's some other stuff in that "On Skyhold" codex entry (a collection of possible references to Skyhold in songs/tales throughout the ages and something about the Veil being old/some guy trying to rebuild towers and getting struck by lightning), but I'm too lazy to type all that out.