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[Mr.House]

Here's what I think I think.

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The elven gods weren't truly gods. They ruled over their subjects/worshippers/slaves in a not-great way - Creators and Forgotten Ones alike - and Solas alone out of the "gods" (imagine inverted commas at every other mention of gods for the rest of this lol) didn't approve of or appreciate it. He wanted the People to be free from tyrants essentially. He thought he had a good idea and the only way - tricking both sides of gods and sealing them away (in a realm beyond, reached by Eluvians) - all but Mythal, for some reason. So he did it and then fell into slumber, probably because he was sad about being alone.

 

Long after, he woke up from uthenera. He saw how the elves are living now thanks to having lost their Creators - enslaved in Tevinter, subjugated in alienages, disliked by humans, or wandering the wilds as but shadows of their former glory, clinging to scraps of the past and mistaken information. Thanks to what he's done they've lost virtually everything, their history, their power, their culture. He regrets sorely what he did.

 

Morrigan tells us the Eluvians can be opened/locked from both sides and each has a key, correct? The elven orb was the key to the Eluvian in which Solas sealed the gods away. When he woke up and saw what his actions had done to the elves, he resolved to fix his mistake and release the gods. But he didn't have enough power to activate the orb and so he gave it to Cory, because he had enough power to use it. This as we know inadvertently caused the explosion.

 

It's kind of ironic because Cory too awoke from slumber and found the world gone awry.

 

Solas joins the Inquisition to fix this mistake. They do- they seal the Breach and defeat Cory. But the orb lies broken and Solas is distraught because it's the key to releasing the others.

 

He returns to Mythal. He should pay the price for his mistakes, and/or the "price" of what will be needed now to open the Eluvian - sacrifice of a being of great power perhaps? His intentions now are to find another way to carry out his plans of unleashing the gods again.

 

I'm not clear on what happens in the final scene. Either Flemeth is sorry because of what she's about to do him - possess his body - or he's sorry for failing and for what HE'S about to do which is kill Flemeth and take her power. This power will help him in his quest to unleash the gods.

Just a quick fix.

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It was the Inquisitor who in fact caused the explosion because by interrupting the ritual she caused the accident to happen, now it's better then allowing Cory to rip the veil and become a god but the explosion was a indirect action by the Inquisitor. Also it's revealed Mythal was also killed and this caused her to want vengeance and change as revealed by the guardian at the temple and Flemeth.

[Mr.House]

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Maybe there might be a DLC surrounding his character, Leliana did say she would try to find him if you let her.. ugh, I knew that Solas' romance would probably end this way..But I did really like this romance, it was very romantic and tragic at the same time..nothing that the other companions had.  

 

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It's too big of a plot to drop and it's too heavily connected to the Inquisitor to have some newbie handle it.

[RebbyWriter]

Patrick Weekes ‏@PatrickWeekes Nov 21

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And also anyone who remembers how we said Solas sometimes talked with a certain meter will finally get an answer. cc @SherylChee

 

 

Don't know if anyone saw this (I was avoiding twitter like the plague until I got through)

[MissMayhem96]

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It's too big of a plot to drop and it's too heavily connected to the Inquisitor to have some newbie handle it.

 

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Why would a newbie just play a DLC about Inquisition instead of playing Inquisition first? Then they would know what was going on with Solas..

[Miss This or That]

Solas' last romance scene spoiler thoughts down below!

 

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I kind of believe that Solas wanted to break things off when he took her to the waterfall area already - at least when they were finally there. The way he says to her that he 'must tell her the truth' because it is the biggest thing that he can give her (Lavellan can ask what the two of them even are, but Solas doesn't give a clear answer) kind of implies that he has an idea of what is to come.

 

He could have simply told her that they would stay together forever now or that this won't work out, but he offers her the truth about the vallaslin and says that he can take it away instead. What else can he give her at this point, if he knows that it will end in pain really soon? Maybe he still played along because he wanted to tell her the truth and let her decide what to do with it, because he thinks that's what he owes her.

 

So he plays along until he can finally speak that truth that is so important to him - because Lavellan is important to him and worth more than the slave markings on her skin - and decides that he can, at the very least, push himself to break things off now. Last kiss and all.

 

...thoughts?

[Mr.House]

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Why would a newbie just play a DLC about Inquisition instead of playing Inquisition first? Then they would know what was going on with Solas..

Nah talking about a new protag.

[Jaulen]

It's definitely a wolf jawbone. A fan from this thread got that confirmed with a dev at a convention a while ago.

 

I was the one that initially hypothesized it might be a halla jawbone based on a pretty dark, somewhat-obscured old screenshot. The fang was hidden, so at the time the jawbone looked like it resembled that of a cow or deer in the real world and - given the halla is significant to the Dalish - I had guessed that it may be related to them.

 

I was dreadfully wrong. 

 

 

and here I thought it was a bronzed Santa-elf shoe he was wearing as a necklace.

 

Glad to have that misconception cleared up.

[Mims]

Thoughts; 

 

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I don't think the elven gods are 'true' gods. Probably more like immortal, powerful spirits. 

 

As far as Mythal goes, she's really the wild card. I don't know if we can really say what is going on in that scene or where she fits into the plans. We do know that Mythal is both Flemeth and an elven god. For some reason I get the feeling that it is very likely Flemeth's anger or personality was hardcore enough to corrupt her. Its hard to say if Solas is aware of this or not.

 

If I had to put down a thought as a bet...I would say they might be working together, and for whatever reason Flemeth is unable to enter that mirror on her own. It seems too coincidental that the ending scene is in front of an eluvian. But if they are working together, I am guessing Flemeth has an ulterior motive that Solas is not aware of.

[Solas]

Just a quick fix.

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It was the Inquisitor who in fact caused the explosion because by interrupting the ritual she caused the accident to happen, now it's better then allowing Cory to rip the veil and become a god but the explosion was a indirect action by the Inquisitor. Also it's revealed Mythal was also killed and this caused her to want vengeance and change as revealed by the guardian at the temple and Flemeth.

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By the same logic surely Cory and Solas are both also responsible. Cory was trying to rip the Veil anyway and Solas gave him access to an elven ancient artifact of ancient untold power. The blast imo is a result of several peoples' actions.

 

Re: Mythal, you're right! Excellent. So that would be why she wasn't sealed away with the rest of them. Solas and Mythal both wanted change and so worked together to do so. Solas went to sleep and Mythal walked the world since.

[Mr.House]

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By the same logic surely Cory and Solas are both also responsible. Cory was trying to rip the Veil anyway and Solas gave him access to an elven ancient artifact of ancient untold power. The blast imo is a result of several peoples' actions.

 

Re: Mythal, you're right! Excellent. So that would be why she wasn't sealed away with the rest of them. Solas and Mythal both wanted change and so worked together to do so. Solas went to sleep and Mythal walked the world since.

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Oh Solas is and I think that's the big reason he's being tormented. Not only can he be blamed, his goal was betrayed for something he never wanted and lost his orb, something that was very clearly important to him, make it worse he can be good friends or a lover with the Inquisitor and does responsible for the permanent change to their body. He has so much guilt and by the end it's just so dam sad. He had good intentions but it all fell apart.  This does seem to be a running theme in the game too as almost all characters have done something big that is regretful, even the Inquisitor.

[vertigomez]

Don't know if anyone saw this (I was avoiding twitter like the plague until I got through)

I still didn't catch whatever meter he was supposed to speak in!

[SurelyForth]

I agree with a lot of what you said, Solas.

 

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I wonder how spectacularly wrong releasing the gods and the forgotten ones will go. I can see an outcome where they respond to the world like the Arishok did to Kirkwall. It would be kinda awesome if they end up being the big bads and the Fen'Harel/Flemeth/Urthemiel hybrid entity once again takes their place on the side of the protagonist (fingers crossed that it's the Inquisitor). It would bring together a lot of threads and themes that have building up throughout all three games and, hopefully, clarify the picture a bit when it comes to the ancient elves/creators/forgotten ones.

 

[Mr.House]

I agree with a lot of what you said, Solas.

 

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I wonder how spectacularly wrong releasing the gods and the forgotten ones will go. I can see an outcome where they respond to the world like the Arishok did to Kirkwall. It would be kinda awesome if they end up being the big bads and the Fen'Harel/Flemeth/Urthemiel hybrid entity once again takes their place on the side of the protagonist (fingers crossed that it's the Inquisitor). It would bring together a lot of threads and themes that have building up throughout all three games and, hopefully, clarify the picture a bit when it comes to the ancient elves/creators/forgotten ones.

 

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This also would maybe be good to include the Black City, something that did disappoint me in DAi, this the one time the the Black CIty was so important and connected, even being able to enter the fade physically yet we never fo there? For shame Bioware! That's teasing

[MissMayhem96]

Nah talking about a new protag.

 

Oh, no I was just saying if Inquisition had the DLC that could be played with the Inquisitor. Not in the next game 

[Mr.House]

Oh, no I was just saying if Inquisition had the DLC that could be played with the Inquisitor. Not in the next game 

Ag I agree. This is pretty much dlc quality, even expansion. Bioware has other things they could use for the next game, using something like this that is just too connected to this game works better as dlc/expansion.

[Vylix]

So, some more questions - interested on what peoples' opinions are on these things and if we have any kind of consensus lol!

 

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- Were the elven gods truly gods, something else, or simply ancient elves (thus they'd still be immortal) that had a lot of power, like mages or a powerful noble?

I don't think they were gods. Solas doesn't seem to be a character to straight up lie about something he can pass off as an opinion or something "he saw in a dream", and he claims to believe they are not gods. Since he is, in one way or another, the dread wolf i doubt he would flat out deny them being gods if there wasn't more too it than that. Im leaning towards the "something else" option as to what they are amongst the suggestions he gave. They're certainly powerful, but they don't seem like gods. Im leaning towards them being something we have not seen before or do not have enough knowledge to understand at the moment. IF there is a true god/maker in this game I'd be willing to put my money on them having something to do with that, especially because from Corypheous' account in DA2, the golden city was already black when they had reached it. Due to the Eluvian in DAO showing a city of sorts as well according to Tamlen, I'm also pretty certain that the Eluvians have some bigger part in it than they had seemed to play up until now.

 

- Is Solas truly Fen'Harel or is it a bit more complicated than that - e.g. is it like is with Flemeth, where she was someone before, and the spirit of Mythal came to her and she's carried it with her since?

Im torn on this one. I think he's too wise and often intentionally vague with what he says to not be Fen'Harel in some sense but It could go either way here. Due to his like of the fade and spirits its possible that he ran into the spirit of Fen'Harel through some means and agreed to join with him, but it's also just as possible that he does not need to switch to a new body as Flemeth did since there are no hints that Fen'Harel died as Mythal 'died'.

 

- What did Solas do and what was and is he trying to do? What's his future plans/agenda?

I want to find out! Judging from the dialogue someone posted on here a few pages back (and a nights sleep to think over what I had originally thought) I still think the Orb was a key to an Eluvian which the other 'gods' may be sealed in, but I am not certain if I was anywhere close with why they were sealed there. The Eluvian may be sealed from Solas' side and thus, with the orb destroyed, he cant open it by the means which he originally wished to. As for claiming the people still need him I'm not certain if he is referring to the potentially sealed people, or the elves in general. However this dialogue line is more likely to be hinting at him killing Flemeth/Mythal. She claims something along the lines of mythal's spirit coming to her and that she wants revenge when you question her and there is the god-baby present. Perhaps the old soul which Kieran had belonged to the person who murdered her, and this murder caused them (the person/people who murdered her) to become corrupt and eventually become an archdemon, Hence why she rescued the warden and Alistar then sent Morrigan with them. She may have preferred Morrigan had the god-baby but may have been content with them dying because of the wardens she saved if Morrigan "failed". If this was the case though and she had claimed her revenge then its also possible that her goals were completed and she could willingly allow Solas to kill her because she views it as the better option.

 

- What happened in the postcredits scene? Did Flemeth possess Solas or did Solas kill and "drain" Flemeth?

I think he killed Flemeth but I am biased/thinking wishfully.

[M-Taylor]

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So, I've just essentially finished the game by completing the Temple of Mythal. I'm getting the vibe that the moment I talk with Morrigan, the last battle will occur, and oh my christ.

 

I was fully spoiled anyway, but the Temple of Mythal was *beautiful*. I assume everyone here are Elves fan to a certain degree, and I'm just so flabberghasted at it all. Elves weren't destroyed by Tevinter, Vaselline = slave markings, Elven Gods weren't actually Gods... so much lore information on one of the subjects that keeps me so interested in Dragon Age. That alone made the game worth it!

 

But I do have a few questions. Like I said I'm fully spoiled and seen most of the cinematics, so I know that Solas disppears and finds Flemeth, who later reveals that he's the Dread Wolf. But how exactly is everyone so sure Flemeth is Mythal? I read in the spoiler forums that the Temple was decorated entirely with statues that looked like her. Call me blind, but they had the same leg armour and dragon wings (possible hint?), but I don't really think that alone is conclusive proof. The only other indicators are Dragon Age 2 where she is resurrected at the alter of Mythal, and her exchange with Solas. So I have no doubt she has some connection with the Elven pantheon (kinda obvious), but what makes everyone so certain she's Mythal?

 

Secondly, I picked up that people want closure to the romance and that Solas promised to talk to the quizzy about it all after the final battle. But I literally just did that conversation, and he promises that all will be revealed(revealed, not he will talk to the quizzy after the battle. No mention of a conversation at all in Solas's defence) IF THEY BOTH SURVIVE. Now, I have a little theory of my own. I don't think the Elven gods were Gods at all (again, kinda obvious with Solas/Flemeth), but simply very powerful mages within Ancient Arthalan. Maybe even the first rulers or so. And their power/spirit/essence etc was entirely linked to their orb. Thus, with the orb being smashed at the end of the battle, it rendered Solas as nothing more than a mere ancient elf, so essentially himself and his identity as this figure of worship *died*. This then leads to my own explanation of the exchange with Flemeth; he absorbs her power to help the People, because he can no longer achieve that on his own.

 

Plus, just gunna throw it out there, he reveals that everything will become obvious after the final battle. Admittedly, it's kinda douchey not to reveal his identity, however on a very basic human interaction, it is obvious. The final romance scene was in fact a break up scene, and he leaves after the final battle. Everything, on a completely human (or elven hehe) basis is revealed; quizzy has no reason to suspect he's a god, so for all she knows, she's simply been rejected by the man she's fallen for. I'm personally okay with that.

 

But yeah just wanted to express my utter OMG IS DIS RLY HAPPENING sort of sentiment. The Temple of Mythal has been my favourite part of the entire Dragon Age franchise, by far. It's a shame that really, all it did was open up more questions than it answered and I kinda wish we could have talked to Abelas about Ancient Arthalan some more, but still, loved every second of it.

 

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Oh and was I the only one who kinda got the vibe that Solas and Flemeth had been jiggy together? I definitely got some former flames sort of vibes. In all, Solas turned out to be abit of an ass, but a very interesting ass and he definitely ranks as one of my favourite romances so far. Morrigan though still beats him /evil laugh

 

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also I know this isn't entirely Solas relevant, but if Flemeth really is Mythal, why the **** has she not done more to aid her people? Solas, given the dialog at in the epilogue, is entirely focused on helping The People (if he really is referring to Elves). Why has Flemeth sat in a swamp for centuries and left Elves at the mercy of humanity? If she is Mythal, I've gone rapidly off her. I love the Elves in Dragon Age and it's abit of a shitter that their matriach goddess is apparently useless. >.>

[Mr.House]

I personally do think

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Both where going to kill eachother, hence hwy they said those words in regret but Solas was faster and not only absorbed Flemeth/Mythals life but her very essence thus stopping her from ever getting a new body, with this he would have the power he needed. Again that's just my take on the scene. All I know is something big will happen, either Felmeth has a new body or Solas has a **** ton of power now and Flemeth/Mythal are gone.

[Solas]

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Oh I hope against hope he killed Flemeth and not the other way around lol! Sorry Flemeth, you are ****** rad, but my Solas... ha.

 

When he said "The people" still need him I took it as meaning the elven race.

 

I don't think Flemeth is truly dead (if he did indeed kill her). I'm sure she has another Horcrux somewhere. She's Flemeth, lol. And a DA staple.

 

I don't think they were lovers in the past but that's just me.

[mindoirs]

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To me it was clear that he kills Flemeth and drains her spirit/Mythal's/etc but I mean I guess I can see other interpretations? I also very much don't think he and Flemeth or Mythal were ever together in the romantic sense. The old friends part seems to be on behalf of the gods inside them.

[Vylix]

I personally do think

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Both where going to kill eachother, hence hwy they said those words in regret but Solas was faster and not only absorbed Flemeth/Mythals life but her very essence thus stopping her from ever getting a new body, with this he would have the power he needed. Again that's just my take on the scene. All I know is something big will happen, either Felmeth has a new body or Solas has a **** ton of power now and Flemeth/Mythal are gone.

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Mmh. I just remembered when you find Flemeth because she calls Kieran (I dont know what happens if he doesn't exist yet.) she mentions during the conversation that "you cant force a soul on an unwilling body". If this is true then its possible as long as Solas didn't want to let his body be taken over she had no way of doing so.

[vertigomez]

Alrighty amigos,

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Quick question about the Inquisitor drinking from the well. I get why Solas is PO'd from a metagaming standpoint - being, uh, personally acquainted with Mythal and the concept of god-slaves - but from Lavellan's point of view, why do you think Solas is so angry? Or put another way, not knowing what we know about Solas's identity, why does she think he's so angry?

Is it based on principle? Solas is all about freedom and living in harmony with spirits, and his love becoming "Mythal's creature" is an anathema to his worldview. Or is this where Lavellan begins to put the pieces together? She can't possibly know that he's going to (maybe?) absorb Flemeth/Mythal, what that means for their relationship...

[DragonRacer]

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I'm sure she has another Horcrux somewhere.

 

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Oh. My. GOD.

 

How did I never make that connection? Especially as a Harry Potter fan?!?!

 

I am ashamed. I'm also laughing my boobs off because that was hysterical! 

[LobselVith8]

Any idea how Solas interacts with a male Lavellan who is good friends with him ? 

 

I suppose it depends on your interaction with him, but my interactions with Solas were mostly positive, and he became one of my favorite companions, which surprised me quite a bit since I thought we wouldn't get along.

 

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My Lavellan, Revas, was male, and while we disagreed about the Dalish, we got along pretty well. My conversations with him ended up leading me away from an originally planned run as an orthodox Dalish who saw blood magic as evil and spirits as inherently dangerous, and leaned more towards a more unorthodox Dalish who viewed blood magic and spirits as more complex than simple good and evil, but still loved his people and cared about the elves in general. We had a really nice moment where Solas asked me if I had changed after I woke up with the Anchor, and I told him that I felt the same, leading to him thinking he was wrong about the Dalish. That was a nice moment, since it lead to me saying that while the Dalish weren't perfect, there was a lot of good in the society.

 

Solas also approved when I supported Briala, which was really nice. I started to suspect something was off when I mentioned how we had helped the elves by putting her in power, and he acted surprised when I mentioned 'our people'. Solas also lead me to becoming a Rift Mage, and we had a really nice conversation about it.