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[Uirebhiril]

I won't claim to be more awake at the moment, but I do have to say this about the romance:

 

Spoiler

It was poignant, it was beautiful, it was perfect. It didn't need a lot of sex scenes or anything more than it gave us. Might have been nice, but it would have changed the feel of things from being deeply spiritual/emotional and respectful to just being another romance. I don't doubt, at least for my Inquisitor, that they found some time alone in her quarters. But the probable reality of that would have been an enjoyable benefit and not the focus. It wasn't what they built their mutual feelings on. It was just something they could appreciate as part of it. There was a passion there, a sensual longing that is perfectly fine left to the imagination.

 

And... in the end, I sort of knew it would come to that. He tried to make it clear that it wasn't the best idea, but she gently persisted and acknowledged what the eventual outcome could be. She still told him she loved him and wanted to stay together, but in her own way knew this was what would happen. In my own mind they had a conversation at some point where she suggested they just share what they could while they had it, and that would be enough. They were both lonely. Surely for her she figured it was best to not expect more because hey, they might die before it was all over, or he would leave for his own reasons. Well, she was right, just she didn't understand how she was right. And when the tears had fallen and things had to be done, she accepted what happened and didn't regret what they had. It all worked perfectly for me.

 

 

I do hope we get something more in an expansion though. And not a letter in a chest, or a betrayal of some kind. Or his death. I think Mass Effect has us covered for those feels already.

[Patchwork]

Flemeth/Mythal can see the future, in abstract at least, so it's possible that she's been biding her time and when she saw things like the 5th Blight, Kirkwall, the return of Eluvians etc she decided to bring dragons back into the world.

 

I'm happy to buy the idea that Flemeth is DA's Mother of Dragons. 

 

I actually think it was Morrigan living in the place beyond the Fade that might awoken Fen'Harel. It gives him enough time to look around the world a bit and make allies like the Felassan.

[Dr. Doctor]

Apostate hobo xD

A cranky apostate hobo.

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Although, given who he really is he might not have been all that different than Dorian in the past.

[kalasaurus]

I won't claim to be more awake at the moment, but I do have to say this about the romance:

 

Spoiler

It was poignant, it was beautiful, it was perfect. It didn't need a lot of sex scenes or anything more than it gave us. Might have been nice, but it would have changed the feel of things from being deeply spiritual/emotional and respectful to just being another romance. I don't doubt, at least for my Inquisitor, that they found some time alone in her quarters. But the probable reality of that would have been an enjoyable benefit and not the focus. It wasn't what they built their mutual feelings on. It was just something they could appreciate as part of it. There was a passion there, a sensual longing that is perfectly fine left to the imagination.

 

And... in the end, I sort of knew it would come to that. He tried to make it clear that it wasn't the best idea, but she gently persisted and acknowledged what the eventual outcome could be. She still told him she loved him and wanted to stay together, but in her own way knew this was what would happen. In my own mind they had a conversation at some point where she suggested they just share what they could while they had it, and that would be enough. They were both lonely. Surely for her she figured it was best to not expect more because hey, they might die before it was all over, or he would leave for his own reasons. Well, she was right, just she didn't understand how she was right. And when the tears had fallen and things had to be done, she accepted what happened and didn't regret what they had. It all worked perfectly for me.

 

 

I do hope we get something more in an expansion though. And not a letter in a chest, or a betrayal of some kind. Or his death. I think Mass Effect has us covered for those feels already.

 

I couldn't agree more.

 

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After I finished the game, I had some mixed emotions on how it all ended.  I was holding out hope that he would at least say good bye to her... so I felt sad.  But that was the point.  The romance really touched me... and having some time to reflect on it, I really appreciate it for what it is.  I also hope that there's something more to it.  I pray to the Creators that he doesn't get Thane'd-- I was lucky to have gone for the Garrus romance in ME3-- I'll pretty upset if Solas gets the same treatment.  He deserves a fulfilling resolution.

[RebbyWriter]

I feel kind of dicky...Like, I'm liking people's posts after they need emotional support from the smexy elf that is named Solas. It almost makes it look like I like their tears. Just to let you know, I am not a monster (or PW or Gaider, for that matter), I'm just glad we have solidarity and I'm not the only one emotionally crushed and willing to sell my firstborn for moar.

 

Prayer circle for DLC!

[zambixi]

So a while ago someone mentioned wanting a playlist of all the songs in this forum and so I made one! It covers most everything from the 18th onward, though I may have missed a few (especially if they were hidden by spoiler tags).

 

Here are my contributions (let's see if I can get them to show up):

 

 

Song #1:

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This one for the time between scene two and scene three. There's another arrangement (this one: NSFW) which is more appropriate for after the third scene

 

Lyrics #1:

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The lights are on, but you're not home
Your mind is not your own
Your heart sweats, your body shakes
Another kiss is all it takes

You can't sleep, you can't eat
There's no doubt, you're in deep
Your throat is tight, you can't breathe
Another kiss is all you need

Whoa, you would like to think that you're immune to the stuff, oh, yeah
It's closer to the truth to say you can't get enough,
You're gonna have to face it—you're addicted to love

You see the signs, that you can't read
You're running at a different speed
Your heart beats double time
Another kiss and you'll be mine,

A one-track mind, you can't be saved
'Cause baby your love is all you crave
If there's some left, left for you
Then you don't mind if you do

Whoa, you would like to think that you're immune to the stuff, oh, yeah
It's closer to the truth to say you can't get enough,
You're gonna have to face it—you're addicted to love

Might as well face it, you're addicted to love [5x]

The lights are on, but you're not home
Your will is not your own
Your heart sweats, your teeth grind
Another kiss and you'll be mine

Whoa, you would like to think that you're immune to the stuff, oh, yeah
It's closer to the truth to say you can't get enough,
You're gonna have to face it—you're addicted to love

Might as well face it, you're addicted to love [ 8x ]

 

Song #2:

 

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And this one for after the end; if Lavellan believes that he will eventually come back

 

Lyrics #2:

 

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In a way, it's all a matter of time
I will not worry for you, You'll be just fine
Take my thoughts with you, and when you look behind
You will surely see a face that you recognize

[:: CHORUS ::]
You're not alone, I'll wait till the end of time
Open your mind, Surely it's plain to see
You're not alone, I'll wait till the end of time for you
Open your mind, Surely there's time to be with me

It is the distance, that makes life a little hard
Two minds that once were close, Now so many miles apart
I will not falter though, I'll hold on till you're home
Safely back where you belong, And see how our love has grown

[:: CHORUS ::]
You're not alone, I'll wait till the end of time
Open your mind, Surely it's plain to see
You're not alone, I'll wait till the end of time for you
Open your mind, Surely there's time to be with me

[Addai]

I realized something at Adamant, and can't believe I didn't put it together before.

Spoiler

 

 

Dagna says that the Herald's mark looks like a key. Morrigan says that to open or close an eluvian you need a key- like the eluvians behind which Solas imprisoned the old gods. In the Fade you learn that the Herald got the mark when she grabbed the orb and took its power. So the Herald's mark isn't just any old key- it's Solas' key. The Herald is the last remaining vestige of FenHarel's power in the world.

 

So now I'm starting to believe the theory that he leaves because, romanced or not, he's not willing to use the Inquisitor like a servant. He's trying to find some other way to do what he needs to do, because he won't be like the other gods who bind mortals and make them do their will, as we see Mythal do. He involves himself in closing the Breach, but that's because it threatens the world. So you have that moment where he grabs her hand and directs her to close the rift. It must be very tempting for him to ask her to do something like that for him again.

 

There was also some discussion somewhere upthread about why Solas would risk

Spoiler

giving Corypheus his orb. His dialogue pretty much confirms that he hoped Corypheus could awaken the orb, but he didn't expect that he'd be able to use it and that expected that he would die in the attempt to do so.

 

 

 

[beckaliz]

I'm going to leave this here for you:

 

http://bexquisition....nd-we-are-alone

 

End game spoiler jsyk

[Tielis]

I realized something at Adamant, and can't believe I didn't put it together before.

Spoiler

 

 

Dagna says that the Herald's mark looks like a key. Morrigan says that to open or close an eluvian you need a key- like the eluvians behind which Solas imprisoned the old gods. In the Fade you learn that the Herald got the mark when she grabbed the orb and took its power. So the Herald's mark isn't just any old key- it's Solas' key. The Herald is the last remaining vestige of FenHarel's power in the world.

 

So now I'm starting to believe the theory that he leaves because, romanced or not, he's not willing to use the Inquisitor like a servant. He's trying to find some other way to do what he needs to do, because he won't be like the other gods who bind mortals and make them do their will, as we see Mythal do. He involves himself in closing the Breach, but that's because it threatens the world. So you have that moment where he grabs her hand and directs her to close the rift. It must be very tempting for him to ask her to do something like that for him again.

 

This adds a whole new level of understanding to the hand grab thing, agreed.  Also maybe it explains why he couldn't resist her affections?

[Aira Rennyde]

I'm going to leave this here for you:

 

http://bexquisition....nd-we-are-alone

 

End game spoiler jsyk

This is perfect  I mean it, really. For a Spanish, that should be a bit suspicious.

[vertigomez]

I think Solas will be popular in fics, so at least there's that. The number of kinkmeme prompts featuring him. That looks like an unfinished sentence, but I really don't know what else to say.
 
Has anyone posted this yet? I recommend it.
 
http://archiveofouro...g/works/2685044

Holy ****, this is really good.

brb crying forever

[caridounette]

Ive just taken time to read back on the thread now that Ive completed the game and I can say that everyones opinion is very interesting and the entire thread is very respectful and offers the perfect mood to reflect on what the **** weve put ourselves through with this romance.

 

Ive got a few thoughts from my experience and reading you guys

 

1) Do they sleep together? I dont think my Lavellan did because she felt Solas pulling back when it came to being together. But as they say, it needs two to tango, and i could see how someone elses quizzy who puts the moves on Solas might get him into bed. I dont think Solas would run away if the inquisitor made it more like natures calll then a binding promise. As the little convo snippet goes, its all just 'side benefits' anyway with this romance.

 

2) I cant let Solas kill the bunch of stupid mages in his personal quest. And thats coming from someone who always lets Garrus bring down Sidonis. But that was personal betrayal and this is just plain stupidity. (I need to choose the option just to see how it plays out tho).

 

3) Well of Sorrows. Visiting the Temple was a very troublesome experience. Ill need a little more time to wrap my head around all the knowledge and what Abelas, Morrigan and Solas can tell you or wont tell you. I truly agonized on the Well, and who should drink from it. By the time I got there my Lavellan felt like she knew nothing of her own people and everyone was so dismissive of her dalishness. Those memories were so tempting.

 

But when Solas is asked if he would drink he flat out says to never ask that of him... Even if my Quizzy doesnt know much about Morrigan, she is not drinking some magical water Solas wouldnt touch when she feels he would be the first interested in learning from it. Thats way more logical to me than the companions opinions and approval ratings on you giving unknown powers to Morrigan. But with Fen'Harel taking over Mythal, I might reconsider based on what it means in the long run.

 

4) Playing a Dalish in DAI was the most engrossing experience Ive had with Bioware games when it comes to actually having the player character grow. For me its usually all about the companions and their story arc, while im being a Big Goddamn Heroe and putting the fate of the world first. But 'hard choices' isnt exactly character growth. This time I got to come to terms with being that outsider made a symbol of a nation and religion I had nothing in common with. And from being very defensive of my heritage at first, my dalish learned that people should be allowed to believe what they need to in order to get through the dark days and not turn on each others. She never saw herself as the Herald of Andraste but stopped denying it to others.

 

Then came Solas and the Temple of Mythal to show her how far from the truth the Dalish were and it was the most humbling experience. It got her to clear up things with Sera. My Lavellan saw all the hardships and dangers her people have been putting themselves through to protect an heritage that got so diluted it became a form of self imposed slavery to hollowed traditions. With her clan wiped out by the bandits and tardy human help (a war map choice) she had no ties left and no reason to keep her vallaslins.

 

And to think I initially predicted I would disband the Inquisition and send my quizzy back to her clan or make her travel the orld with her LI. But now im sitting in front of a character who lost everything, her past and her love, and I jsut havent figured out what she do will next...

 

 

So yeah, I might hang out in this thread with you guys for a while

 

 Sorry for the big first post and all.

[Astelspirals]

Astel, did it have you sitting around sobbing over your wolf jawbone necklace?

 

ahahaha not quite. i was yelling at my TV, though. mostly the same phrase over and over, the sentiment of which i've seen here repeatedly. XD 

[Nhadalie]

*hustles out with the prescribed cocoa, blankets, and offers the fuzzy puppy sitting next to computer chair for cuddles*

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I really, really have to give Bioware, and Weekes in particular, props for the sheer metaphorical balls it took to go with that sort of scene. They're monsters, but monsters I'm heavily impressed with.

Everyone is so nice! This really is more of a support thread now.

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"Your fade boyfriend dumped you? MINE TOO! ~insert sobbing~"

 

I kind of whined at my fiance afterwards, and our dog jumped up on my lap and cried with me for a good 5-10 mins.

 

 

I'm going to do every last sidequest before the final battle now. "No, he doesn't matter! Only the cat stuck in the tree matters! Big bad guys can wait." Though I might jump ship to my Qunari or human mage for a bit. I need to recover. Then watch all the romance scenes again in sequence. Then cry. Then finish the game.

 

As far as intimacy with Solas goes.

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It's very heavily implied. Sera comments that he cries out "elven glory" during sex. The barkeep comments that people think you have a lot of time on your hands, since you spend it bedding your allies. Solas comments about it being an enjoyable side benefit. Honestly, I think it happened after the second romance scene. I can't imagine most Lavellans letting him walk away from her room after telling her that he loves her. Also, his wandering hands when they kiss in the final scene. Their body language looks like a pair of lovers.

 

And I'm a little annoyed that everyone around you knows more about elves than you apparently do.

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Would have made sense, at least for a mage Lavellan to know some written elvish. Keepers keep books with written elvish in them. And honestly, if Morrigan recognizes some words, you should be able to also. And Lavellan should be aware that Fen'Harel's statue in Mythal's temple is weird. And who Mythal is. Otherwise, I thought the temple of Mythal was fairly well written. The ancient elves' reactions seemed appropriate to me. Though it was interesting that they referred to Solas as being "elvhen", like they did the Inquisitor. When all of our current theories involve Solas being an ancient elf. They acted like the "elvhen" were a different species.

[Sylvanfeather]

I couldn't agree more.

 

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After I finished the game, I had some mixed emotions on how it all ended.  I was holding out hope that he would at least say good bye to her... so I felt sad.  But that was the point.  The romance really touched me... and having some time to reflect on it, I really appreciate it for what it is.  I also hope that there's something more to it.  I pray to the Creators that he doesn't get Thane'd-- I was lucky to have gone for the Garrus romance in ME3-- I'll pretty upset if Solas gets the same treatment.  He deserves a fulfilling resolution.

 

I'd like to hope for some resolution in the form of additional content for Inquisition. I could even stand the Thane treatment because it does have an ending, although in ME it was always fairly obvious what that was going to be. At least Shepard & Thane got to be happy for a time.  As it stands right now, Solas doesn't have much of an ending, either from a story or romance perspective.

 

 

I realized something at Adamant, and can't believe I didn't put it together before.

Spoiler

 

 

Dagna says that the Herald's mark looks like a key. Morrigan says that to open or close an eluvian you need a key- like the eluvians behind which Solas imprisoned the old gods. In the Fade you learn that the Herald got the mark when she grabbed the orb and took its power. So the Herald's mark isn't just any old key- it's Solas' key. The Herald is the last remaining vestige of FenHarel's power in the world.

 

So now I'm starting to believe the theory that he leaves because, romanced or not, he's not willing to use the Inquisitor like a servant. He's trying to find some other way to do what he needs to do, because he won't be like the other gods who bind mortals and make them do their will, as we see Mythal do. He involves himself in closing the Breach, but that's because it threatens the world. So you have that moment where he grabs her hand and directs her to close the rift. It must be very tempting for him to ask her to do something like that for him again.

 

 

What happens to the mark after the final battle? When the Inquisitor picks up the orb does it get transferred back into it again before it shatters?

 

The first thing that Cassandra said about the mark concerned me for quite a while. "It is killing you". Is that no longer a concern for anyone in the Inquisition or no longer true.

[RebbyWriter]

Have any of you gotten the Bull/Solas chess game conversations? So great.

 

Well, PW talked about it on his twitter. I translated it for you because he put it in rot13 so that you would have to decipher the language and not outright see spoilers.

 

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IIRC, used Immortal Game, a famous match. @bengelinas made me do entire match

 

 

an actual video of said match, which is pretty neat, I think.

[BubbleDncr]

I realized something at Adamant, and can't believe I didn't put it together before.

Spoiler

 

 

Dagna says that the Herald's mark looks like a key. Morrigan says that to open or close an eluvian you need a key- like the eluvians behind which Solas imprisoned the old gods. In the Fade you learn that the Herald got the mark when she grabbed the orb and took its power. So the Herald's mark isn't just any old key- it's Solas' key. The Herald is the last remaining vestige of FenHarel's power in the world.

 

So now I'm starting to believe the theory that he leaves because, romanced or not, he's not willing to use the Inquisitor like a servant. He's trying to find some other way to do what he needs to do, because he won't be like the other gods who bind mortals and make them do their will, as we see Mythal do. He involves himself in closing the Breach, but that's because it threatens the world. So you have that moment where he grabs her hand and directs her to close the rift. It must be very tempting for him to ask her to do something like that for him again.

 

There was also some discussion somewhere upthread about why Solas would risk

Spoiler

giving Corypheus his orb. His dialogue pretty much confirms that he hoped Corypheus could awaken the orb, but he didn't expect that he'd be able to use it and that expected that he would die in the attempt to do so.

 

 

 

 

Yea I had the realization yesterday after reading about the Dagna comments on another thread. Which makes me think that the last dlc for DA:I will probably have something to do with this, he'll realize he can't do what he needs to do without the Inquisitor, and the choice would just be if the Inquisitor goes along with it willingly or not.

[zambixi]

Ive just taken time to read back on the thread now that Ive completed the game and I can say that everyones opinion is very interesting and the entire thread is very respectful and offers the perfect mood to reflect on what the **** weve put ourselves through with this romance.

 

Ive got a few thoughts from my experience and reading you guys

 

Spoiler

1) Do they sleep together? I dont think my Lavellan did because she felt Solas pulling back when it came to being together. But as they say, it needs two to tango, and i could see how someone elses quizzy who puts the moves on Solas might get him into bed. I dont think Solas would run away if the inquisitor made it more like natures calll then a binding promise. As the little convo snippet goes, its all just 'side benefits' anyway with this romance.

 

2) I cant let Solas kill the bunch of stupid mages in his personal quest. And thats coming from someone who always lets Garrus bring down Sidonis. But that was personal betrayal and this is just plain stupidity. (I need to choose the option just to see how it plays out tho).

 

3) Well of Sorrows. Visiting the Temple was a very troublesome experience. Ill need a little more time to wrap my head around all the knowledge and what Abelas, Morrigan and Solas can tell you or wont tell you. I truly agonized on the Well, and who should drink from it. By the time I got there my Lavellan felt like she knew nothing of her own people and everyone was so dismissive of her dalishness. Those memories were so tempting.

 

But when Solas is asked if he would drink he flat out says to never ask that of him... Even if my Quizzy doesnt know much about Morrigan, she is not drinking some magical water Solas wouldnt touch when she feels he would be the first interested in learning from it. Thats way more logical to me than the companions opinions and approval ratings on you giving unknown powers to Morrigan. But with Fen'Harel taking over Mythal, I might reconsider based on what it means in the long run.

 

4) Playing a Dalish in DAI was the most engrossing experience Ive had with Bioware games when it comes to actually having the player character grow. For me its usually all about the companions and their story arc, while im being a Big Goddamn Heroe and putting the fate of the world first. But 'hard choices' isnt exactly character growth. This time I got to come to terms with being that outsider made a symbol of a nation and religion I had nothing in common with. And from being very defensive of my heritage at first, my dalish learned that people should be allowed to believe what they need to in order to get through the dark days and not turn on each others. She never saw herself as the Herald of Andraste but stopped denying it to others.

 

Then came Solas and the Temple of Mythal to show her how far from the truth the Dalish were and it was the most humbling experience. It got her to clear up things with Sera. My Lavellan saw all the hardships and dangers her people have been putting themselves through to protect an heritage that got so diluted it became a form of self imposed slavery to hollowed traditions. With her clan wiped out by the bandits and tardy human help (a war map choice) she had no ties left and no reason to keep her vallaslins.

 

And to think I initially predicted I would disband the Inquisition and send my quizzy back to her clan or make her travel the orld with her LI. But now im sitting in front of a character who lost everything, her past and her love, and I jsut havent figured out what she do will next...

 

So yeah, I might hang out in this thread with you guys for a while

 

 Sorry for the big first post and all.

 

Welcome to the club/support group! I love big posts so keep them coming as you please

 

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1. I'm torn on this. I think if they did sleep together it would be between scenes 2 and 3. There are several lines of banter or dialogue that suggest they may be sleeping together, but it is otherwise purposefully ambiguous. It's definitely not a main focus of whatever is going on in their relationship; he is much more interested in her "spirit". It's pretty clear he lusts after her, but I also wonder if he'd feel like having sex would be taking advantage of her since he's not telling the truth about who he is. If he were the type of character to say "sex isn't serious" then I'd agree 100% that they slept together, but I don't know if that's how he views things. We don't have any codex entries on the way ancient elves viewed sex

 

2. I didn't let him do it on the first playthrough, but re-thinking my character...I think she would let him do it. In the beginning my Lavellan is super-Dalish. She doesn't like humans, and has a general "Call of the Wild" (survival of the fittest/unyielding/strict punishment) mentality. She wouldn't be above killing people - especially humans - that cross her or her friends. Plus those mages are so pompous in the beginning, and so unashamed afterwards that it's pretty clear they didn't learn anything. I think when I replay Lavellan for completion she might let him kill them.

 

3. I agree. If Solas - seeker of knowledge - doesn't want the knowledge why would I. But the fanfic/DLC potential of being connected to Mythal/Flemeth/Solas/Fen'Harel is huge. It's so tempting. I don't know if you were playing as a mage, but I thought of how much training the Keeper's first must have in denying the temptation to give into desire, even if it's desire for knowledge. Merrill was shunned from her clan for going outside of the normal realms of magic, and I imagine drinking from the well would also be considered dangerous (but I still want to do it).

 

4. It was so good! Quizzie is the first character I've thought is important and not just a vessel for the player. The Dalish background seems so relevant - like it matters that this particular character stumbled into the inquisition. Whereas with the Warden and Hawke I always felt like anybody could have done what they did under the right circumstances (I still love Hawke and my Warden though).

 

There are a crap ton of clan-less Lavellans! They should form a new Amazon-warrior type clan. My headcannon is that Varric hooks her up with Merrill, and they go off with Cole and a few others to search for elven ruins^{and Solas though she won't outright say that...}

 

[mindoirs]

For intimacy

 

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I don't think they did it right after the second scene, but there's definitely a big difference between the shy body language of the second scene and the confidence in the final scene, where they held hands as they walked comfortably together and of course that lovely butt grab. I do think they were intimate together. Still a bit bitter that it wasn't shown, but I understand why 1) their relationship was built more on depth and subtlety (altho depth and intimacy aren't mutually exclusive) and 2) a few people might have an issue with it I guess

Still will headcanon/dream/read fics away.

[Uirebhiril]

Ive just taken time to read back on the thread now that Ive completed the game and I can say that everyones opinion is very interesting and the entire thread is very respectful and offers the perfect mood to reflect on what the **** weve put ourselves through with this romance.

 

Ive got a few thoughts from my experience and reading you guys

 

Spoiler

2) I cant let Solas kill the bunch of stupid mages in his personal quest. And thats coming from someone who always lets Garrus bring down Sidonis. But that was personal betrayal and this is just plain stupidity. (I need to choose the option just to see how it plays out tho).

 

3) Well of Sorrows. Visiting the Temple was a very troublesome experience. Ill need a little more time to wrap my head around all the knowledge and what Abelas, Morrigan and Solas can tell you or wont tell you. I truly agonized on the Well, and who should drink from it. By the time I got there my Lavellan felt like she knew nothing of her own people and everyone was so dismissive of her dalishness. Those memories were so tempting.

 

4) Playing a Dalish in DAI was the most engrossing experience Ive had with Bioware games when it comes to actually having the player character grow. For me its usually all about the companions and their story arc, while im being a Big Goddamn Heroe and putting the fate of the world first. But 'hard choices' isnt exactly character growth. This time I got to come to terms with being that outsider made a symbol of a nation and religion I had nothing in common with. And from being very defensive of my heritage at first, my dalish learned that people should be allowed to believe what they need to in order to get through the dark days and not turn on each others. She never saw herself as the Herald of Andraste but stopped denying it to others.

 

Then came Solas and the Temple of Mythal to show her how far from the truth the Dalish were and it was the most humbling experience. It got her to clear up things with Sera. My Lavellan saw all the hardships and dangers her people have been putting themselves through to protect an heritage that got so diluted it became a form of self imposed slavery to hollowed traditions. With her clan wiped out by the bandits and tardy human help (a war map choice) she had no ties left and no reason to keep her vallaslins.

 

Minorish spoilers below, I guess, for Solas's companion quest and some stuff towards end of game. Feels odd putting something that out of context behind a spoiler tag, but I did want to give some warning.

 

 

2. - I let him kill them. This was as much pragmatism for her as vengeance for him. If the mages were that stupid and clueless about what they were doing, they were only going to be a risk to others anyway. There were enough problems going on that they didn't need to add to them. But that was sort of the heart of how I played my inquisitor. She would protect and save when and where she could, but she was not one to believe this was always possible or even that doing so was the best course of action. It made for some interesting decisions through the game, and I liked that.

 

3 and 4 - I really wish there could have been a way to play out just how much that broke my inquisitor. Not in a "NOOO poor me" sort of way, but everything she had known seems to be wrong. Her beliefs were mistakes passed down from her clan for generations. The Dalish are despised and hunted by humans, feared by city elves, and have nothing left of themselves that is true. The city elves are a shadow of what the elven people were. The ancient elves, such as they are, see her and the Dalish as nobodies. The elves truly have no place and no one. Not even themselves. It was such a profound feeling after going through the temple and realizing that. It's one of the things I still haven't been able to sort through and figure out. It's because of this I have a hard time thinking of rolling up some of the other characters I had intended, because the game just can't touch me in that same way again. I'm really glad I went Dalish first, but also sad because it's going to take a long time before I want to experience the game without that extra level of feeling added to it. 

[Dr. Doctor]

There is a point where you really have to wonder why nobody started asking questions about Solas:

[Addai]

What happens to the mark after the final battle? When the Inquisitor picks up the orb does it get transferred back into it again before it shatters?

 

The first thing that Cassandra said about the mark concerned me for quite a while. "It is killing you". Is that no longer a concern for anyone in the Inquisition or no longer true.

I don't know if she still has it or not, but I'm guessing from Cole's words it's permanently changed her. Which...

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puts Solas' question about how she was before she got the mark in a different light. He's wondering if she's like him because she's got a part of him. Cheeky bastard, lol. He's happy if she says she is the way she is because of her choices alone.

 

As for it killing her, I assume that was because the Breach was unstable, wild magic flying around was making everything crazy.

 

Edit: OMG, that chess dialogue is awesome.

[BubbleDncr]

Ive just taken time to read back on the thread now that Ive completed the game and I can say that everyones opinion is very interesting and the entire thread is very respectful and offers the perfect mood to reflect on what the **** weve put ourselves through with this romance.

 

Ive got a few thoughts from my experience and reading you guys

 

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1) Do they sleep together? I dont think my Lavellan did because she felt Solas pulling back when it came to being together. But as they say, it needs two to tango, and i could see how someone elses quizzy who puts the moves on Solas might get him into bed. I dont think Solas would run away if the inquisitor made it more like natures calll then a binding promise. As the little convo snippet goes, its all just 'side benefits' anyway with this romance.

 

2) I cant let Solas kill the bunch of stupid mages in his personal quest. And thats coming from someone who always lets Garrus bring down Sidonis. But that was personal betrayal and this is just plain stupidity. (I need to choose the option just to see how it plays out tho).

 

3) Well of Sorrows. Visiting the Temple was a very troublesome experience. Ill need a little more time to wrap my head around all the knowledge and what Abelas, Morrigan and Solas can tell you or wont tell you. I truly agonized on the Well, and who should drink from it. By the time I got there my Lavellan felt like she knew nothing of her own people and everyone was so dismissive of her dalishness. Those memories were so tempting.

 

But when Solas is asked if he would drink he flat out says to never ask that of him... Even if my Quizzy doesnt know much about Morrigan, she is not drinking some magical water Solas wouldnt touch when she feels he would be the first interested in learning from it. Thats way more logical to me than the companions opinions and approval ratings on you giving unknown powers to Morrigan. But with Fen'Harel taking over Mythal, I might reconsider based on what it means in the long run.

 

4) Playing a Dalish in DAI was the most engrossing experience Ive had with Bioware games when it comes to actually having the player character grow. For me its usually all about the companions and their story arc, while im being a Big Goddamn Heroe and putting the fate of the world first. But 'hard choices' isnt exactly character growth. This time I got to come to terms with being that outsider made a symbol of a nation and religion I had nothing in common with. And from being very defensive of my heritage at first, my dalish learned that people should be allowed to believe what they need to in order to get through the dark days and not turn on each others. She never saw herself as the Herald of Andraste but stopped denying it to others.

 

Then came Solas and the Temple of Mythal to show her how far from the truth the Dalish were and it was the most humbling experience. It got her to clear up things with Sera. My Lavellan saw all the hardships and dangers her people have been putting themselves through to protect an heritage that got so diluted it became a form of self imposed slavery to hollowed traditions. With her clan wiped out by the bandits and tardy human help (a war map choice) she had no ties left and no reason to keep her vallaslins.

 

And to think I initially predicted I would disband the Inquisition and send my quizzy back to her clan or make her travel the orld with her LI. But now im sitting in front of a character who lost everything, her past and her love, and I jsut havent figured out what she do will next...

 

 

So yeah, I might hang out in this thread with you guys for a while

 

 Sorry for the big first post and all.

 

1) I pretty much go with "if I didn't see it, it didn't happen." Especially since in my main playthrough, I didn't get most of the comments saying they did. I'm still debating if I want to headcannon in that it happened - if it did, it definitely would have been after the second kiss, during the period of time he addresses you as "my heart," whenever you go talk to him. 

 

2) During the personal quests, I kind of got into the "meh, do whatever you want" mode and let everyone kill everyone. Except Cole, cos Solas told me I shouldn't. That really came back and bit me in the ass with Leliana though...

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now I have a ****** lunatic as the Divine and it's all my fault

 

3) I felt like it was better for my Inquisitor to drink, cos it was her people and I interpreted Solas's comment as "Morrigan shouldn't be the one to drink it, thus it should be you." But then he got pissed at me, and I decided I misunderstood his dialog, and went back and changed it. At this point, I honestly don't know which is the better choice. 

 

4) yea, playing as an elf is imo the best way to play, which is crazy since it was added later! I went from pro-elf in every dialog choice I could make, to having everything I know be shattered, and having to figure out a new goal/reason to live. 

[lapsi4ka]

I just wanted to share this "WTF Bioware?! moment with you, guys xD

So I was running across Skyhold no, ofc not to hear from Solas that soft and warm "My heart" and I got under textures somehow. And there is THAT! O.o I couldnt get closer - that thing just dissapeares O.o AND there is some funny cheerful music playing! OMG. Devs do have sense of humor

 

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[kalasaurus]

I'd like to hope for some resolution in the form of additional content for Inquisition. I could even stand the Thane treatment because it does have an ending, although in ME it was always fairly obvious what that was going to be. At least Shepard & Thane got to be happy for a time.  As it stands right now, Solas doesn't have much of an ending, either from a story or romance perspective.

 

Fair enough.  I suppose I meant the way Thane (and his romance) was handled in ME3, which pretty much was brushed aside and forgotten (until the Citadel DLC).  You're right though- Solas doesn't have an ending yet.  I'm really curious to see where it will go.