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[DragonFr0st]

I said something similar upthread.

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I speculated he might be wondering if she's like him because she's got a part of him. He's happy if she says she's that way because of her decisions alone.

I think the gods are a mixed bag, but his big deal is freedom- he objected to the gods enslaving people's wills. He shows reverence and affection for the elven temples you enter, even the ones that are stacked with skulls.

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He obviously sees Mythal as a close friend, yet he still deeply objects to an oath of slavery to her. So it seems to me he doesn't hate the gods- they're his own kind- but recognizes that they can be capricious and cruel like any other race.

 

I'm glad I'm not the only one who had a similar thought!

 

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Perhaps she reminds him of a younger version of himself? There are plenty of mentions of his "mistakes" and how he warns the other companions on different mistakes as well as the Inquisitor in certain scenarios.

 

As for the gods, I think he does respect them and shows reverence towards them. But, it's hard to say which temples we have entered. Is he being reverent to certain gods? Or all of them? Or, perhaps he's being respectful to the culture he's lost. He clearly has a desire to live in ancient times, noted by him waking in a world he did not picture. How the work he did was squandered by fools.  He obviously misses that time. 

 

Mythal is considered the mother.  I wonder if she was Fen'harel's mother, or if he became a "god" in a different manner that made him unrelated to the other pantheon. Regardless, it is clear that he holds affection for her, as a friend as he is trying to help her (at least, it seems that way to me).

 

I don't think he hates the gods, I think he simply stood against what they were doing. Locking them away, for one. He wants people to see the truth on the gods, but he doesn't hate them.

[Addai]

Couple more observations.

It seems to me he comes close to blurting the truth when he says

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"You have a wisdom and subtlety I haven't known since... since I walked the deepest memories of the Fade." And some of his dialogue makes me think he really wants to be known. That's possibly why he risked getting close to Lavellan.





About what I said up above about no god needing to throw his weight around:

Man, I'm so glad the elves are getting their due. I knew they had to be more complicated than we'd seen, but I was thinking Bioware would mostly focus on the humans and the elves would continue to be background color, like in The Witcher universe.

[Solas]

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I'd rather have a loving and stable relationship, but maybe that's just me.

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Try Cullen 

[Kulyok]

I suddenly saw a ray of hope!

 

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Remember the third scene in the romance, where Solas says he was thinking about what to give you(to show how much you mean to him)? Well, and then he says: "_For now_, the best gift I can offer is the truth".

 

Well, the wild fungirl in me immediately squees: "Yay, it means that when he comes to his full power, he'll give her immortality!" A more cautious part of me doesn't squee, but my heart skips a beat anyway: it means there _might_ be another gift down the road. Or something. Thoughts?

[Eterna]

How about instead Solas just explains why he has to leave and does but first lets us know he is heartbroken over it instead of these lame fanfics.

[Uirebhiril]

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My Lavellan would react similarly, I think. She isn't really emotionally destroyed.

 

I think learning the truth about her people might actually give her the drive to actually do something about the way the Dalish have been living. Not abolish traditions or anything, but to stop focusing so much on what they had and instead looking to what they could have in the future. Its time for her people to move on. Having gotten some clout as the leader of the Inquisition, she might be in the position to actually do something about it.

 

She does worry about Solas though. I think by the end of the game some part of her realizes that he probably was hiding something, but she isn't sure what. She would probably feel very much that he might be in some sort of trouble. 

 

This, exactly. I always had the idea that my Lavellan loves her people and clan, but is tired of the clinging so hard to the past that they don't forge ahead to really become who they can be. Tradition is important, sure, but you can't base your entire life on that. There has to be room for growth, or else you end up precisely how you started. Which, in the case of the elves, is certainly not something to be proud of these days. They have a lot of opposition, but with her position as the Inquisitor it could be a start for slow change that will benefit them as time passes. Not every elf or clan would listen to her, but it only takes a few to start. Something would change, eventually.

 

Which is incidentally why my Lavellan was horrified at Leliana's ideas for being Divine. That level of change, so fast... nope. Sometimes you need a swift and decisive action to effect the change you need. In that case, it does not seem the right way. Nor does changing the elves and their ways overnight. Or, I suppose... locking up the gods?   

 

Eh. It's not like our personal thoughts and desires will ever play out in the actual games, but it is fun to think on. As for Solas, the moment you could ask "just who are your people?" sort of sold me on the idea that Lavellan knew. Maybe not really truly, or exactly correctly, but just... knew.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

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But Fen'Harel is more like Hermes or Hades! A trickster who in his own way looks out for mortals, and also a hugely villified deity who is actually a pretty nice guy.

I wouldn't mind a demigod Fade baby, though. Solas would be a great father, lol.

 

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Ok, that may all be true, but my idea still stands.

 

Female elf inquisitor becomes the mother of a new elven demi-god.

 

It would also make the inevitable "Witch hunt" DLC or expansion moment when we meet up with Solas again even more awkawrd.

[DragonFr0st]

Couple more observations.

It seems to me he comes close to blurting the truth when he says

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"You have a wisdom and subtlety I haven't known since... since I walked the deepest memories of the Fade." And some of his dialogue makes me think he really wants to be known. That's possibly why he risked getting close to Lavellan.





About what I said up above about no god needing to throw his weight around:

Man, I'm so glad the elves are getting their due. I knew they had to be more complicated than we'd seen, but I was thinking Bioware would mostly focus on the humans and the elves would continue to be background color, like in The Witcher universe.

 

I completely agree. I think he wants to tell the truth, and I think that he would  have told the truth

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if the orb had not been destroyed in the conflict. I think, after the Inquisitor dropped it, she may have taken the power from it and thus it broke when it no longer held any power. 

 

As for a god throwing their weight around: He tells a story of Falon'din and how he desired more worshippers and would wage war to get them, and those who would not wear his banner were killed. It took the intervention from Mythal and the other gods spilling his own blood in his temple to stop him. "Anyone who tries is mad" is the line I focus on, for that particular story he tells.

 

I have to say I'm glad for the attention the elves are getting as well. They're certainly giving us more truth behind the mysteries that have made me curious since the first game.

[Solas]

How about instead Solas just explains why he has to leave and does but first lets us know he is heartbroken over it instead of these lame fanfics.

Hey, this thread isn't a place for hate. Don't crap on fanfic writers, they aren't doing you any harm and many people here clearly enjoy their work.

[TurtleTape]

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Ok, that may all be true, but my idea still stands.

 

Female elf inquisitor becomes the mother of a new elven demi-god.

 

It would also make the inevitable "Witch hunt" DLC or expansion moment when we meet up with Solas again even more awkawrd.

 

Meet up with him again and one of the options is "you owe me three years of child support payments".

 

Ugh, I want to do another playthrough. I want to try out another character and another romance, but I just keep thinking about Solas >.< I'm going to have to make something that isn't a female elf and hope. Another guy and I'll end up with Dorian again. *sigh*

[Uirebhiril]

I'm not entirely clear; is the anchor gone or devoid of power once

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the breach is sealed and Corypheus banished?

I haven't gone around trying to close rifts since then, so don't know if that changes things.

[Vylix]

I'm not entirely clear; is the anchor gone or devoid of power once

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the breach is sealed and Corypheus banished?

I haven't gone around trying to close rifts since then, so don't know if that changes things.

seems to me like you're stuck with it.

It's kind of like it was a fragment of the orbs power that got attached to you as far as I can tell.

[Kath]

Bahaha, the new title for the thread. Elven Glory! 

[kalasaurus]

I suddenly saw a ray of hope!

 

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Remember the third scene in the romance, where Solas says he was thinking about what to give you(to show how much you mean to him)? Well, and then he says: "_For now_, the best gift I can offer is the truth".

 

Well, the wild fungirl in me immediately squees: "Yay, it means that when he comes to his full power, he'll give her immortality!" A more cautious part of me doesn't squee, but my heart skips a beat anyway: it means there _might_ be another gift down the road. Or something. Thoughts?

 

I like the way you think

 

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As for the gift... hmm... I don't know?  I'm stuck on the immortality idea as very unlikely as it is XD.  Maybe his greater gift is helping the elves?

 

Hey, this thread isn't a place for hate. Don't crap on fanfic writers, they aren't doing you any harm and many people here clearly enjoy their work.

 

Exactly.  That was pretty rude.

[Solas]

Bahaha, the new title for the thread. Elven Glory! 

[caridounette]

about the whole lifespan deal

 

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so yeah, ive never actually got the impression that Solas is the immortal part of Fen'Harel.  I mean we know from Flemeth that her human body would not live forever. Hence the whole body snatching, even if she can tell Morrigan she does not do it to the unwilling.

 

But back to Solas, I see part of him as a host (like he got invited in by the young apostate visiting the fade he tells us about as his youth) or a human disguise (like Cole). So for me Solas could grow old with Lavellan, but Fen'Harel would eventually take an other form instead of dying. The only part that would endure would be the 'god spirit'. 

 

I dont know if that makes sense to anyone else.

 

[QueenOfTheDales]

*delurks to help* http://posts.glitter...ost/11438706436there you go \o\

Thanks !!! Do you know if Fen'Harel has a vallaslin?

[Kath]

*spoilers* It all makes sense now, the reason you don't have a mabari companion in DAI:

 

[MWImexico]

About DAI and the MaE

 

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The Dread Wolf. In the masked Empire, Felassan compared him to Briala, that gives matter to think. About the book, I wonder now if it's Solas who killed Felassan, it's most likely I suppose.

[zambixi]

about the whole lifespan deal

 

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so yeah, ive never actually got the impression that Solas is the immortal part of Fen'Harel.  I mean we know from Flemeth that her human body would not live forever. Hence the whole body snatching, even if she can tell Morrigan she does not do it to the unwilling.

 

But back to Solas, I see part of him as a host (like he got invited in by the young apostate visiting the fade he tells us about as his youth) or a human disguise (like Cole). So for me Solas could grow old with Lavellan, but Fen'Harel would eventually take an other form instead of dying. The only part that would endure would be the 'god spirit'. 

 

I dont know if that makes sense to anyone else.

 

 

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I waffle between that interpretation and the other. I forgot to mention this before, but I think it's key to remember that Mythal was murdered. The Mythal inside of Flemeth is her spirit and might not necessarily have all the powers granted to Mythal when she was still alive for real

[Addai]

There's a tome in the Fade about exchanging the hound for the wolf. Maybe it's meant to be metaphorical for the domesticated side vs. the wild hunter.

 

Also, about the mark...

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The Divine confirms that it's part of the Inquisitor now and will only be removed by her death.

[Nyaore]

Thanks !!! Do you know if Fen'Harel has a vallaslin?

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Someone did an analysis and none of the existing vallaslin they covered seemed to match him, though there are a few new ones in Inquisition and the ones they covered were from Origins. I think the only one we definitely know the correlation for is Mythal, as Abelas and his friends are all wearing the same markings. However, I would not be too surprised if at one point Fen'harel did happen to have vallaslin associated with him but came to hate the very idea of it and abolished them to time given his reactions to you having your own. At the very least, if he did have them and never got rid of them, the Dalish wouldn't keep such markings around given their disdain for him. ): I would like to see a concept for what his theoretically could have looked like though. If only because I love their designs to bits.

[kalasaurus]

Bahaha, the new title for the thread. Elven Glory! 

 

Oh wow, I didn't even notice XD

 

Yes!

[MWImexico]

Again, about DAI and the MaE

 

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Maybe the similitude between Briala and the dread wolf is that they are both revolutionary and that they tend to employ the same methods/tactics to obtain what they want? The main difference between them could be that Briala tries to improve the live of the "present" elves while Fen'Harel/solas is determined to rebuild an ancien glory?

[Tielis]

I like the way you think

 

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As for the gift... hmm... I don't know?  I'm stuck on the immortality idea as very unlikely as it is XD.  Maybe his greater gift is helping the elves?

 

 

Exactly.  That was pretty rude.

 

Whoa whoa whoa mind blown I just thought of something.

 

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What if the mark made you immortal?  And that's why he's asking if you felt like it changed you?