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[zambixi]

He seems to agree that he's a terrible romance option. Which is why he walks away before you both get in too deep. That's the part where I can't find him toxic.

 

and he breaks it off with you. I generally think of "toxic" relationships as being things you cannot escape from because neither party is willing to leave/let the other person go. It's semantics, but I feel icky about the term; I think it usually applies to something more abusive than what is going on in the Solasmance.

 

Like pretty much any BW romance, I agree with others saying he's not a guy I'd date in real life ^{(who am I kidding I totally would but it would be bad news bears)}. Also probably would not be brave enough to be the Inquisitor in real life. I sleep with a nightlight on so fighting demons and going into the Fade is really out of the question...

[RynJ]

Have not gotten the quest but it's a war table mission so is it possible that you may have missed it....? Here's what my guide says:

 

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Should you find at least 10 of the devices, you can unlock a war table operation: Measure Veil Strength. Complete the operation, and you'll hear word from Solas about the location of a Fade rift that has yet to open. Go to the designated location in the Hinterlands behind the Redcliffe Farms, and prepare for a fight to seal the rift.

 

If you still think it is not coming up, be sure to log an issue with EA Answer HQ so that it can be fixed!

 

Is there any guide that tells us where they all are? There's nothing on maps as far as I remember.  And I notice that nobody seems to have actually gotten and completed this quest yet. I hope it isn't bugged!

[Dr. Doctor]

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I think Solas has some confidence issues after what he did in the past. Despite everything he sacrificed in the name of protecting his people he's awoken into a world where all he strove to protect is in ruins and the remainder of his people live in poverty or in ignorance of their history. Depending on how you look at things he's a foil for Corypheus, backing the Inquisition instead of the Venatori.

He seems to genuinely love Lavellan, and fears that the Anchor is warping her personality to be similar to his...but that doesn't appear to be the case. With the level of power that the players in whatever game the Elven Pantheon is playing it would be easy for all of that to be stripped away. Solas doesn't want to cause or live with that pain so he breaks it off.

I will admit that I never thought that any of this would happen.

[caridounette]

Um... I do like him.  I understand him, but I feel that he is a terrible romance option for anyone because of his issues.  I pity him, but I cannot excuse his actions just because he's so wounded.

 

 

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He is wounded but i think Lavellan and him could get past that part from what is shown in game (the whole I prefer living in the Fade thing).

 

But in this case he also is a god. The last of his kind since he locked up the rest. Should he never fall in love because of that? Thats where the hurt really comes from. You cant fix godliness even if the rest goes swell.

 

But then again they didnt have a chance to try. So who knows.

 

[Tielis]

He seems to agree that he's a terrible romance option. Which is why he walks away before you both get in too deep. That's the part where I can't find him toxic.

 

So you're saying that if one is emotionally unavailable but is too weak to end a relationship before it even starts, that's okay?  He's not to be held responsible at all?  Lavellan didn't tie him down to kiss him, you know.

[RynJ]

Agreed, and some of us like that and some of us don't.  

 

As I said before, my main problem with the romance is that there was no choice involved, no way to even try to get around it, you were just dumped like a hot brick and that was it -- no talking, no nothing, and no choices you made made any difference.

 

As someone else said, he wasn't emotionally mature enough to come to the Inquisitor and tell her that he was on a personal journey and that she needed to trust him and... well, you know, have a conversation that people who love each other have when there's a crisis in their lives.  Hopefully we'll get this in a DLC.

 

Because Solas made up his mind. It's the path he's taking regardless of how you react. Which makes sense, since he has an obviously major role to play in the future. I like that he's not willing to string you along behind him or keep things open-ended, though he may have been tempted to.

 

 

So you're saying that if one is emotionally unavailable but is too weak to end a relationship before it even starts, that's okay?  He's not to be held responsible at all?  Lavellan didn't tie him down to kiss him, you know.

 

It's not "okay". It's just human. A mistake that you most certainly don't have to forgive him for and most definitely deserve to be angry about. But in the end he decided he didn't want to keep going when he knew that there was no future to be had with him so he let you go. That's a better resolution than most would give. It's hard to give up someone you love, immensely hard. 

[hex0mega]

So you're saying that if one is emotionally unavailable but is too weak to end a relationship before it even starts, that's okay?  He's not to be held responsible at all?  Lavellan didn't tie him down to kiss him, you know.

 

It isn't ideal, but I don't think it's a bad thing. I would much rather end it then than have that person be unable to let it go until it's gone much farther and both parties are beyond hurt. One of the things I've learned over the years is that when it comes to human relationships, there's far more grey than there is black and white. 

[Mims]

So you're saying that if one is emotionally unavailable but is too weak to end a relationship before it even starts, that's okay?  He's not to be held responsible at all?  Lavellan didn't tie him down to kiss him, you know.

 

I'm not entirely sure what you mean here. They are both adults- he's allowed to end the relationship. So can Lavellan. In fact, she can do the exact same thing that he does to her two seconds earlier if she so chooses to do so. 

[zambixi]

//snip//

As I said before, my main problem with the romance is that there was no choice involved, no way to even try to get around it, you were just dumped like a hot brick and that was it -- no talking, no nothing, and no choices you made made any difference.

//snip//

I find I often have this same issue with "free-choice" games. I could read this romance in a novel and not have any bad feelings about having read it; it's tragic and there's a certain verisimilitude to having it be over without choice. But my character isn't participating in a novel. I haven't made the choices for that character and I wasn't actively participating in the story. In a game (like this) I'm involved and I want to stay involved!! Even if it's not the best thing for the story or the most realistic, I wish we could have done something more as well! It must be difficult to be a Bioware writer and balance the need to tell a good story with the necessity of involving the player.

[Tielis]

Because Solas made up his mind. It's the path he's taking regardless of how you react. Which makes sense, since he has an obviously major role to play in the future. I like that he's not willing to string you along behind him or keep things open-ended, though he may have been tempted to.

 

 

 

 

It's not "okay". It's just human. And in the end he decided he didn't want to keep going when he knew that there was no future to be had with him so he let you go. That's a better resolution than most would give. It's hard to give up someone you love, immensely hard. 

 

First off, he did string you along, for a year, it seems.

 

Secondly, he did it in a very cold and frankly disrespectful fashion.  He apparently does not trust her with any details, nor trust that she can help him at all.  How does he love her, again?  Like an object or a person?  Because he certainly doesn't treat her with the respect anyone deserves with a breakup.

[Renmiri1]

That and he defers to your command on all things. In fact, he doesn't like it when you DON'T take a stand. It's not like he's ever behind you, whispering in your ear about what direction to take the Inquisition. He'll offer his opinion like other companions but that's about it. There was no manipulation whatsoever that I saw. Just a refusal to disclose all about him.

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For obvious reasons, since he appears to want to help close the Breach and revealing oneself as the Dread Wolf would do nothing but cause trouble. If anything, he's protecting himself.

Agreed 100%

 

I think some girls might feel manipulated into the romance. It is obvious he wants you and him pushing you away is not convincing,

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when you given him just a short kiss he pulls you back and uses fade tongue .  And on the second kiss you say don't go and he says, it would be kinder (but **** it I want you lavellan) so it is more like he is playing hard to get. To then blame you if anything goes badly.  I met guys like this

 

Except Solas doesn't blame you. He is obviously still in love with you, he can't say he doesn't care... and he tells you it was real. 

 

I dunno, unlike the manipulative jerks I met in RL, Solas seems to have a very good reason to not want to put Lavellan in the path he is going - because he loves her. So my quizzy will wait for him forever if need be

[schulz100]

I just really need to ask:

Solas is ****** Fen'Harel?

 

SOLAS IS ****** FEN'HAREL!?

GENIUS!

 

For one thing, it makes everything he says and does shine in a new light on a second playthrough.

For one, how he knows so much about how spirits and the Fade and Veil work, and how he has such an accurate memory of elven history, and a low opinion of the Dalish.

It also explains the more quirky, slightly off aspects about him. He knew about the orb when he didn't see it because he gave it to Corypheus and knew how to handle the Mark because he'd been handling the thing that created it for a very long time. More to the point, the bits about how he doesn't die when exploring ruins, and even that bit with Iron Bull about how he's the best self-taught fighter Bull's ever seen, can be explained perfectly if he IS, in fact, Fen'Harel. Half the stuff he's saying is bullshit that sounds believable; he doesn't fear getting eaten by giant spiders and has no kinks when he claims to be a self-taught mage because he's a f-ing GOD, and the only reason he's not taking full advantage of his powers is because he'd out himself as the accidental architect of the whole mess and would probably suffer through a very painful, awkward conversation with many people he respects.

I'd also like to say that if Solas is actually Fen'Harel, Bioware did a great job writing him, because he is in no way what you would expect a trickster god to be. And the fact that he can act not at all like a typical trickster god, yet it seems totally believable that that is what he is, given what we know about him and the trickster god he also is, is fantastic.

 

In fact... 

Theory time:

If Solas is Fen'Harel, that'd mean he is the being who locked the Elven gods away from the Fade, but suppose he didn't mean to do this, or at least do it quite so permanently as it turned out to be. This could perhaps explain why he does not seem at all Trickster-God-y, and what he needed the orb for: he's not at his most jolly as a trickster god because he cut his fellows off from their people, and ruined both their lives (the lives of the gods and the elves) and his by mistakenly locking the gods away, so he's been searching for thousands of years for a way to undo his mistake. He thinks he's found it with the orb, but he can't get it to work properly, so he turns it over to Corypheus to get it jumpstarted, which just leads to more unintended, horrible shenanigans and pain for innocent people, the exact same thing that happened with the elves and his fellow gods. And when the orb is destroyed, he's just lost the one good chance he'd ever found at getting the other gods out of their prison; everything that happened with Corypheus, that he caused, can't even be given greater meaning in freeing the other gods as he meant to, and battling that incredible guilt and knowing he needs to pay for what he's done THIS time makes him leave the Inquisition as quickly as he can. 

[RynJ]

First off, he did string you along, for a year, it seems.

 

Secondly, he did it in a very cold and frankly disrespectful fashion.  He apparently does not trust her with any details, nor trust that she can help him at all.  How does he love her, again?  Like an object or a person?  Because he certainly doesn't treat her with the respect anyone deserves with a breakup.

 

We don't know yet what's up with Solas. Likely he thought filling her in on everything would be dangerous for her and it's not that he necessarily doesn't trust her to help, though that might be true. He doesn't seem to want her help, again possibly because it's a dangerous endeavor. And it wasn't a year, I don't think? Maybe a few months. But it was a year where he was with you and wasn't off doing something dangerous which he's likely off to do after the ending of the game. 

 

As for the way he broke up with you, he was trying to cold turkey it on purpose thinking that it's easier to sever emotional ties with him that way. He kind of screwed it up anyways because he immediately goes into sad puppy mode depending on your reaction. It was a disrespectful way to break up with her but he's not treating her like some kind of object. He's making more mistakes that, like I said, is perfectly understandable if you don't forgive. I just don't find it toxic, personally.

[MissKDizzle]

So I think my heart may have literally broke. Ugh. Solas is one of the best romance options I've ever encountered... He makes my heart pitter patter like when I first ran into fenris! Solas and all his knowledge... And his angst! Man... I think he is the most charming of the options out there. All I can say is that bioware better not be really making what happened at the end really stick. If I can't get solas back I might cry lol.

[Renmiri1]

Is anyone else trying to romance Sola's on their second run and just find themselves completely incapable of going through with it? I mean, I just have this awful feeling of "This is going to end so badly".

Also, i've been lurking on the Sola's threads all the way up to the release so yay for unlurking (word?).

I'm just the opposite. I can't romance anyone else. He is just soooo hot, wonderful.. MY PRECIOUS BALDY ELF!!

 

And yay for delurking, sit down have some hot cocoa, cookies and hugs, we know you need it after a Solasmance

[Tielis]

I just really need to ask:

Solas is ****** Fen'Harel?

 

SOLAS IS ****** FEN'HAREL!?

GENIUS!

 

For one thing, it makes everything he says and does shine in a new light on a second playthrough.

For one, how he knows so much about how spirits and the Fade and Veil work, and how he has such an accurate memory of elven history, and a low opinion of the Dalish.

It also explains the more quirky, slightly off aspects about him. He knew about the orb when he didn't see it because he gave it to Corypheus and knew how to handle the Mark because he'd been handling the thing that created it for a very long time. More to the point, the bits about how he doesn't die when exploring ruins, and even that bit with Iron Bull about how he's the best self-taught fighter Bull's ever seen, can be explained perfectly if he IS, in fact, Fen'Harel. Half the stuff he's saying is bullshit that sounds believable; he doesn't fear getting eaten by giant spiders and has no kinks when he claims to be a self-taught mage because he's a f-ing GOD, and the only reason he's not taking full advantage of his powers is because he'd out himself as the accidental architect of the whole mess and would probably suffer through a very painful, awkward conversation with many people he respects.

I'd also like to say that if Solas is actually Fen'Harel, Bioware did a great job writing him, because he is in no way what you would expect a trickster god to be. And the fact that he can act not at all like a typical trickster god, yet it seems totally believable that that is what he is, given what we know about him and the trickster god he also is, is fantastic.

 

In fact... 

Theory time:

If Solas is Fen'Harel, that'd mean he is the being who locked the Elven gods away from the Fade, but suppose he didn't mean to do this, or at least do it quite so permanently as it turned out to be. This could perhaps explain why he does not seem at all Trickster-God-y, and what he needed the orb for: he's not at his most jolly as a trickster god because he cut his fellows off from their people, and ruined both their lives (the lives of the gods and the elves) and his by mistakenly locking the gods away, so he's been searching for thousands of years for a way to undo his mistake. He thinks he's found it with the orb, but he can't get it to work properly, so he turns it over to Corypheus to get it jumpstarted, which just leads to more unintended, horrible shenanigans and pain for innocent people, the exact same thing that happened with the elves and his fellow gods. And when the orb is destroyed, he's just lost the one good chance he'd ever found at getting the other gods out of their prison; everything that happened with Corypheus, that he caused, can't even be given greater meaning in freeing the other gods as he meant to, and battling that incredible guilt and knowing he needs to pay for what he's done THIS time makes him leave the Inquisition as quickly as he can. 

 

Haha, yeah, I'm out of likes, but yeah, it's awesome!

[hex0mega]

First off, he did string you along, for a year, it seems.

 

Secondly, he did it in a very cold and frankly disrespectful fashion.  He apparently does not trust her with any details, nor trust that she can help him at all.  How does he love her, again?  Like an object or a person?  Because he certainly doesn't treat her with the respect anyone deserves with a breakup.

 

And there is the whimsy of these choice games. Did he really string Lavellan along? Did they have talks or implications of a future? What if Lavellan had no expectations of that future? Is it still stringing along? To someone who played an Inquisitor who fully expected a future with him, it can come across as that. To others, it might not. 

 

 There are also complications here. We don't know how his being a you-know-what would affect a relationship in the long term. We don't know his reasons. They could all be utter crap, in which case I'll happily tell him off, but until my inquisitor hears it from him directly, it's all open ended.

[Renmiri1]

On a lighter note, have some Solas crack.

 

Teheheh that is my Lavellan

[zambixi]

Is there any guide that tells us where they all are? There's nothing on maps as far as I remember.  And I notice that nobody seems to have actually gotten and completed this quest yet. I hope it isn't bugged!

 

It looks like it shows "Solas Artifacts" on each individual map in the guide, but it's not super-specific. I'm not near a scanner, but I'll try to scan some of them tomorrow so people can find them and check to see if it's bugged.

[Nyaore]

Sooo, I finished the thing... Not happy with it, but finished.

http://nyaore.tumblr...th-it-but#notes

Image for those who don't want to hop to tumblr: It looks better smaller though. *fetal position*

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Based on this:

[Tielis]

We don't know yet what's up with Solas. Likely he thought filling her in on everything would be dangerous for her and it's not that he necessarily doesn't trust her to help, though that might be true. He doesn't seem to want her help, again possibly because it's a dangerous endeavor. And it wasn't a year, I don't think? Maybe a few months. But it was a year where he was with you and wasn't off doing something dangerous which he's likely off to do after the ending of the game. 

 

As for the way he broke up with you, he was trying to cold turkey it on purpose thinking that it's easier to sever emotional ties with him that way. He kind of screwed it up anyways because he immediately goes into sad puppy mode depending on your reaction. It was a disrespectful way to break up with her but he's not treating her like some kind of object. He's making more mistakes that, like I said, is perfectly understandable if you don't forgive. I just don't find it toxic, personally.

 

LOL What you just described is pretty much a perfect description of an emotionally unavailable toxic dude.  They don't mean to hurt you, but they will, and badly.  Knowledge is protection!  

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

How does Solas react to you believing you are the herald of Andraste, and that you believe in the maker? I was always curious if he dislikes or likes this.

[Tielis]

And there is the whimsy of these choice games. Did he really string Lavellan along? Did they have talks or implications of a future? What if Lavellan had no expectations of that future? Is it still stringing along? To someone who played an Inquisitor who fully expected a future with him, it can come across as that. To others, it might not. 

 

 There are also complications here. We don't know how his being a you-know-what would affect a relationship in the long term. We don't know his reasons. They could all be utter crap, in which case I'll happily tell him off, but until my inquisitor hears it from him directly, it's all open ended.

 

Well, you can believe that they did all kinds of things offscreen, but personally I don't believe that.

[Solas]

schulz100 

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I think he sealed them away on purpose! http://knight-enchanter.tumblr.com/post/103586509708/i-understand-why-he-did-it-and-i-understand-why