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Have not gotten the quest but it's a war table mission so is it possible that you may have missed it....? Here's what my guide says:

 

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If you still think it is not coming up, be sure to log an issue with EA Answer HQ so that it can be fixed!

 

Thanks for the info. There's also supposedly a quest called "What Lies Dormant," but I haven't heard anyone actually getting this one.



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We don't know yet what's up with Solas. Likely he thought filling her in on everything would be dangerous for her and it's not that he necessarily doesn't trust her to help, though that might be true. He doesn't seem to want her help, again possibly because it's a dangerous endeavor. And it wasn't a year, I don't think? Maybe a few months. But it was a year where he was with you and wasn't off doing something dangerous which he's likely off to do after the ending of the game. 

 

As for the way he broke up with you, he was trying to cold turkey it on purpose thinking that it's easier to sever emotional ties with him that way. He kind of screwed it up anyways because he immediately goes into sad puppy mode depending on your reaction. It was a disrespectful way to break up with her but he's not treating her like some kind of object. He's making more mistakes that, like I said, is perfectly understandable if you don't forgive. I just don't find it toxic, personally.

 

 Gods typically know more about what we are capable of than humans. One of the theories I have is that while he marvels at how far the Inquisitor has come, he knows that dealing with whatever is coming (which could potentially be war with gods and potentially result in even his own death) would be impossible for someone like her. Or, perhaps it's arrogance, stemmed from being such a 'superior' being for so long. He possibly assumes she can't handle it and might be wrong, but I don't think this is a case of him deciding for her. Whatever is coming is dangerous, and likely has no place for "mortals." He may intend on coming back if everything succeeds. If he knows he is going to his death, while risking her life in the process, for example, to bring her along would be extremely cruel.


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I can see the theme for the next dragon age... You get to choose between synthesis (merging fade with the world), destroy (destroying the fade), and control (you become God).

Maker No!

 

I'd barf if DA did a ME3 on us. UGH


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I think that Cassandra's statement about Varric's books sums up Solas' romance pretty well, "They're terrible...and magnificent."
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LOL What you just described is pretty much a perfect description of an emotionally unavailable toxic dude.  They don't mean to hurt you, but they will, and badly.  Knowledge is protection!   :D

 

Again, this all feels very much like projection. You keep repeating he is a toxic dude, and that he hurts 'you'. I don't mean to sound unsympathetic- it can just be hard to debate when someone is very emotionally tied to something. 

 

It is a narrative, and at the moment, an incomplete one. Solas is a character in the story. We don't have all the pieces to be labeling anyone as 'toxic'. Clearly, most people here have a favorable opinion of Solas, while also understanding that there's the very real possibility that he might become a villain somewhere down the line. But those actions haven't happened.

 

And I just don't see where you are coming to such a conclusion from, given the context. 


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And there is the whimsy of these choice games. Did he really string Lavellan along? Did they have talks or implications of a future? What if Lavellan had no expectations of that future? Is it still stringing along? To someone who played an Inquisitor who fully expected a future with him, it can come across as that. To others, it might not. 

 

 There are also complications here. We don't know how his being a you-know-what would affect a relationship in the long term. We don't know his reasons. They could all be utter crap, in which case I'll happily tell him off, but until my inquisitor hears it from him directly, it's all open ended.

 

The third romance scene makes me think he wasn't really stringing her along per say...

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Thanks for the info. There's also supposedly a quest called "What Lies Dormant," but I haven't heard anyone actually getting this one.

 

The "What Lies Dormant" quest is the one that comes after the war table mission is fulfilled (according to the guide).


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Again, this all feels very much like projection. You keep repeating he is a toxic dude, and that he hurts 'you'. I don't mean to sound unsympathetic- it can just be hard to debate when someone is very emotionally tied to something. 

 

It is a narrative, and at the moment, an incomplete one. Solas is a character in the story. We don't have all the pieces to be labeling anyone as 'toxic'. Clearly, most people here have a favorable opinion of Solas, while also understanding that there's the very real possibility that he might become a villain somewhere down the line. But those actions haven't happened.

 

And I just don't see where you are coming to such a conclusion from, given the context. 

 

Well, I'm not happy with having my character treated with such disrespect by a love interest in a game and have no choice to do anything about it.

 

I keep saying "I" because, well, I'm the player of the Inquisitor, but I obviously know that she's not me.  Still, I have compassion for her, and I don't like to see her be mistreated.

 

The word "toxic" is a descriptor for people who mistreat other people due to their own issues.  Honestly, if you can't even agree that he mistreats her, well, we'll just have to agree to disagree, I guess. 



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I just want to say that while relationships like these usually don't work out in real life, this is a game and I want my happily ever after. =)


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I just want to say that while relationships like these usually don't work out in real life, this is a game and I want my happily ever after. =)

 

You and I both need some Cullen love, methinks.  :D

 

I knew Solas was a sad romance from the start, but I had hoped that there would have been more of a player choice at how the ending was shaped.  I wish that it could have at least been a respectful and mutual breakup.


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Well, I'm not happy with having my character treated with such disrespect by a love interest in a game and have no choice to do anything about it.

 

I keep saying "I" because, well, I'm the player of the Inquisitor, but I obviously know that she's not me.  Still, I have compassion for her, and I don't like to see her be mistreated.

 

The word "toxic" is a descriptor for people who mistreat other people due to their own issues.  Honestly, if you can't even agree that he mistreats her, well, we'll just have to agree to disagree, I guess. 

 

Everyone will hurt you. Everyone you love will do something to hurt you at some point in their lives, if the relationship goes on for long enough. By your strict definition, 100% of people are toxic. That's all I have to say one the matter. 


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Sooo, I finished the thing... Not happy with it, but finished.

http://nyaore.tumblr...th-it-but#notes

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:o  That is amazing! I saw the original lineart and it looks even better coloured! That glow is so lovely. There's this wonderful mythological feel to it. Wonderful job!

 

I'd also like to say that if Solas is actually Fen'Harel, Bioware did a great job writing him, because he is in no way what you would expect a trickster god to be. And the fact that he can act not at all like a typical trickster god, yet it seems totally believable that that is what he is, given what we know about him and the trickster god he also is, is fantastic.

Hahahaha. Agreed. I love how Bioware handled Fen'harel. From the very first time I perused the codex entry I was intrigued by him. I love mythology, and tricksters usually get the most interesting stories. And for years people have been speculating that Fen'harel's the big bad. Or the Maker. Or the cause of the blight. Because it seemed so obvious that he was a Loki analogy. But...nope. Turns out we were all wrong. Fen'harel is a grumpy nerd with a sweet tooth. The irony is delicious.

 

In fact... 

Theory time:

If Solas is Fen'Harel, that'd mean he is the being who locked the Elven gods away from the Fade, but suppose he didn't mean to do this, or at least do it quite so permanently as it turned out to be. This could perhaps explain why he does not seem at all Trickster-God-y, and what he needed the orb for: he's not at his most jolly as a trickster god because he cut his fellows off from their people, and ruined both their lives (the lives of the gods and the elves) and his by mistakenly locking the gods away, so he's been searching for thousands of years for a way to undo his mistake. He thinks he's found it with the orb, but he can't get it to work properly, so he turns it over to Corypheus to get it jumpstarted, which just leads to more unintended, horrible shenanigans and pain for innocent people, the exact same thing that happened with the elves and his fellow gods. And when the orb is destroyed, he's just lost the one good chance he'd ever found at getting the other gods out of their prison; everything that happened with Corypheus, that he caused, can't even be given greater meaning in freeing the other gods as he meant to, and battling that incredible guilt and knowing he needs to pay for what he's done THIS time makes him leave the Inquisition as quickly as he can. 

You know, I am rather partial to the idea that the story of the fall of Arlathan was one big unintended consequence after another. Though I do think that Solas locked them away for a reason. A good reason, too, if you believe what Cole says. It also contributes to another possible reason why he leaves you. If he believes that basically everything wrong with the world is the result of one f*ckup after another on his part, then he probably wants to push Lavellan away before he screws that up too.

 

I also like contrast between him and Cory. Both of them powerful, godlike beings. Both of them backing factions that seek to control Thedas. But one of them tries to make the world submit to his will while the other just wants to correct his mistakes.

 

And I don't mind that we couldn't prevent the breakup, because that was Solas's decision, and it really had nothing to do with anything Lavellan did or didn't do. I will mind, however, if we don't have the option of tracking the bastard down, because that is totally what my Lavellan would do next.


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Well, I'm not happy with having my character treated with such disrespect by a love interest in a game and have no choice to do anything about it.

 

I keep saying "I" because, well, I'm the player of the Inquisitor, but I obviously know that she's not me.  Still, I have compassion for her, and I don't like to see her be mistreated.

 

The word "toxic" is a descriptor for people who mistreat other people due to their own issues.  Honestly, if you can't even agree that he mistreats her, well, we'll just have to agree to disagree, I guess. 

 

You can do something about it. You can get pissed off, call him an ass for being so disrespectful and walk away, you can even break up with him before he breaks up with you. You can also beg him to stay. The only thing you can't do is force him to stay. Which would be messed up anyways, if he really wants to leave the relationship. He's got to go do his thing for DA4 or DLC or whatever it may be.

 

Speaking of this, are there any videos of all the different times you can break it off with Solas and his responses? Now I'm really interested in seeing them!


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I just want to say that while relationships like these usually don't work out in real life, this is a game and I want my happily ever after. =)

 

If Hawke can stay with someone who is literally a terrorist (Anders), then we should get our due too!


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:o  That is amazing! I saw the original lineart and it looks even better coloured! That glow is so lovely. There's this wonderful mythological feel to it. Wonderful job!

 

*blushes* Thanks jellobell! I was really, really worried that it didn't look right because I'm unused to the light source used, but I'm glad you and some of the others enjoyed it! Thank you all so much!


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its absolutely beautiful nyaore :)


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All of my posts so far on these forums have been in a character fan thread. Does this make me a filthy casual? Should I be ashamed of myself?


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:o  That is amazing! I saw the original lineart and it looks even better coloured! That glow is so lovely. There's this wonderful mythological feel to it. Wonderful job!

 

Hahahaha. Agreed. I love how Bioware handled Fen'harel. From the very first time I perused the codex entry I was intrigued by him. I love mythology, and tricksters usually get the most interesting stories. And for years people have been speculating that Fen'harel's the big bad. Or the Maker. Or the cause of the blight. Because it seemed so obvious that he was a Loki analogy. But...nope. Turns out we were all wrong. Fen'harel is a grumpy nerd with a sweet tooth. The irony is delicious.

 

You know, I am rather partial to the idea that the story of the fall of Arlathan was one big unintended consequence after another. Though I do think that Solas locked them away for a reason. A good reason, too, if you believe what Cole says. It also contributes to another possible reason why he leaves you. If he believes that basically everything wrong with the world is the result of one f*ckup after another on his part, then he probably wants to push Lavellan away before he screws that up too.

 

I also like contrast between him and Cory. Both of them powerful, godlike beings. Both of them backing factions that seek to control Thedas. But one of them tries to make the world submit to his will while the other just wants to correct his mistakes.

 

And I don't mind that we couldn't prevent the breakup, because that was Solas's decision, and it really had nothing to do with anything Lavellan did or didn't do. I will mind, however, if we don't have the option of tracking the bastard down, because that is totally what my Lavellan would do next.

 

 

I'd love to see them flesh out Solas as a FOIL to Cory in the DLC. I wonder if they were trying to set that up in the main quest and it just didn't come off as well as it should have.

 

And I agree - I can't think of a situation where my Inquisitor would have agreed to a mutual break-up and I'm glad Solas as a character walked away...and I will be unglad with you if we can't go looking for him soon!


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Isn't there an option to basically mutually break up? I thought one of the choices was pretty much "yeah okay. If you really feel that way". You don't have to roleplay the scene with hard feelings.



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First off, he did string you along, for a year, it seems.

 

Secondly, he did it in a very cold and frankly disrespectful fashion.  He apparently does not trust her with any details, nor trust that she can help him at all.  How does he love her, again?  Like an object or a person?  Because he certainly doesn't treat her with the respect anyone deserves with a breakup.

I dunno. I view his decision to go ahead with the relationship as him knowing what they are doing is incredibly dangerous and Lavellan is mortal. He doesn't think she will survive long enough to get to Cory, I think and if Lavellan dies and they never got together it will tear him apart  I think that is what he means when he says "But losing you would.."  If anyone here saw Babylon 5 until the end, Ivanova never started anything with Marcus and when he died and they had never been together she suffered a lot for it. 

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Isn't there an option to basically mutually break up? I thought one of the choices was pretty much "yeah okay. If you really feel that way". You don't have to roleplay the scene with hard feelings.

 

I meant at the end, not at the beginning.  At the end, Lavellan is taken to a nice romantic place, given a very romantic gift, and then dumped without a second word.

 

I can't imagine anyone just brushing it off with a shrug and a "whatever", and I don't really consider that a choice.



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I dunno. I view his decision to go ahead with the relationship as him knowing what they are doing is incredibly dangerous and Lavellan is mortal. He doesn't think she will survive long enough to get to Cory, I think and if Lavellan dies and they never got together it will tear him apart  I think that is what he means when he says "But losing you would.."  If anyone here saw Babylon 5 until the end, Ivanova never started anything with Marcus and when he died and they had never been together she suffered a lot for it. 

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Yes, exactly.  I am upset that we have to wait for another game or a DLC just for a chance to do anything about that.  They should have at least been able to talk it out instead of him just legging it after the battle.


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I meant at the end, not at the beginning.  At the end, Lavellan is taken to a nice romantic place, given a very romantic gift, and then dumped without a second word.

 

I can't imagine anyone just brushing it off with a shrug and a "whatever", and I don't really consider that a choice.

Well it might not work for your inquisitor, but that doesn't mean that all inquisitors have to take it hard.

 

I mean, mine did, but she didn't get angry. She only got angry after he skipped town after promising to tell her wtf was going on.  :lol:


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