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[Nyaore]

I still don't understand why Jacob and Brynn couldn't have been just good friends in the Jacob romance.

Same, and Brynn is utterly horrible to Shepard as well. "The best place for Jacob is with me, I hope you can see that." It just... I'm not even going to continue the rant I had planned because it'll derail the topic heavily, but Bioware screwed the pooch with that particular romance and how Jacob and his new girlfriend act. GAH! *throws darts at Jacob and Brynn's heads* Not bitter. Noooooo, whatever gave people that idea? 

 

I will say, I don't mind cheating in a romance arc. It could be a really interesting addition if handled right. Except, again, with Jacob it wasn't in any way. With Solas, I really don't feel like it'd suit his arc either, but if Mr. Weekes wanted to go down that route and made it suitably convincing and not a slap in the face to everyone who liked his character then I'm fine with it. Would have a FEELS moment, but in the end I prefer compelling character arcs to personal feelings. However, again, I can't really see it working with Solas.

[Eterna]

Jacob was terrible, I don't understand why someone would wan't to romance him anyway.

[Nyaore]

Jacob was terrible, I don't understand why someone would wan't to romance him anyway.

I had one character who was attracted to him and it grew into something more than that for her, otherwise he was essentially the bromance for all my characters next to Garrus, Joker, and Tali. In a non-romance run I actually liked him and Brynn together, but when I ran the Shepard who was with him through it just... Derailed both his character and the character of Brynn rather hard for me. I hope they don't do that again in any future DA games or in Inquisition's DLC. Though, again, if handled right I'm fine with it. It just has to fit the character.

[kalasaurus]

Same, and Brynn is utterly horrible to Shepard as well. "The best place for Jacob is with me, I hope you can see that." It just... I'm not even going to continue the rant I had planned because it'll derail the topic heavily, but Bioware screwed the pooch with that particular romance and how Jacob and his new girlfriend act. GAH! *throws darts at Jacob and Brynn's heads* Not bitter. Noooooo, whatever gave people that idea? 

 

I will say, I don't mind cheating in a romance arc. It could be a really interesting addition if handled right. Except, again, with Jacob it wasn't in any way.

 

Shepard's reaction to it all made it so much worse- a complete doormat or some bizarre clingy desperate ex-girlfriend act ("Come on Jacob... it's just you and me here").  Errr... yeah.  Citadel tried to salvage what they could with that situation (https://www.youtube....h?v=QGpXYhvPXlo) at least.

[Nyaore]

Shepard's reaction to it all made it so much worse- a complete doormat or some bizarre clingy desperate ex-girlfriend act ("Come on Jacob... it's just you and me here").  Errr... yeah.  Citadel tried to salvage what they could with that situation (https://www.youtube....h?v=QGpXYhvPXlo) at least.

Oh that delicious slap... At least it's acknowledged, but still... Also I'm out of likes, though I really - really want to throw them at you right now. Agree wholeheartedly that it's prretty much a little too damn late by that point in the game.

[SamanthaJ]

Ahahaha. Bull just started going on about pinning Dorian and conquering him. Dorian was like 'what?' 

 

What exactly does this have to do with Solas...umm...he's in the party so we're on a double date? 

[Arahnea]

Question time: 

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So if you break it off with Solas pre-tattooremoval lasertreatment and he does his sad walk, will he ever comment on it again?

[DragonFr0st]

Question time: 

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So if you break it off with Solas pre-tattooremoval lasertreatment and he does his sad walk, will he ever comment on it again?

 

No, I don't recall him mentioning it.

[Hedinve]

You keep talking while I sleep, I'm always late to the party, but I'll chime in anyway. I don't think he is a manipulative person at all. I even take a little personal affront, *chuckle* I'm emotionally unavailable but that does not make me not tempted or not have genuine strong feelings for someone, it's just that circumstances makes relationships impossible. If anyone has circumstances, it's Solas. It's not stringing along, it's "I really love you and I want this to work but I know it can't, but the I love you-part won't go away".

 

And for the lack of explanations, he didn't expect 

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the orb to break (brake?), he is absolutely devastated and that is when he decides to leave, me thinks. If the orb had stayed whole, I think he would have stayed and explained

 

I got some background chatter after arriving in Skyhold, in the main hall "she is committed to independence I hear - shame" and after the third scene, speculation about a coming wedding. I found that a little weird, are they referring to the romance or someone else? 

 

 

[kalasaurus]

The only Elvhen I met that won me over.

 

Same here.

 

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I'm actually really glad there was no "elven babies" plot. So incredibly glad. I was so worried about that. The actual "super story reasons" are so much more impactful. 

 

And re: immortality, I dunno. I'm not in favour of it, tbh. It wouldn't fit my Lavellan at all. She wants to make things better for the people currently living. She has a very real, very visceral stake in the world of the present. The idea of watching her friends grow old and die around her would be terrifying and tragic. And simply having Solas would not be enough. She loves the Inquisition. So a "mortal friends vs immortal fade boyfriend" choice would be...eugh. Reminds me too much of **** like Twilight.

 

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I like the idea of him raising her spirit somehow after Lavellan lived a full mortal life and died of natural old age.  I guess that depends on what kind of afterlife there is in the DA universe, too.  To each their own, though

[SamanthaJ]

I found a codex and am now picturing Solas giggling madly and hugging himself in glee in a far corner of the earth.

[KyndredRaven]

So...

 

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If I chose to stay friends with Solas after the first kiss, then completed his personal quest, then got the scene on the balcony - shouldn't we kiss up here? He didn't though...he just walked away. Will he try to rekindle the romance later? I hope I didn't cut him off for good :S 

 

I especially hope so because my last good save was like 10 hours back D:

[TheKinkyHuntress]

So what's the point of putting it in the game at all? For masochists?

Feel the need to add to this.

In general, I find needless angst in romances to be incredibly annoying. I've been in angsty relationships in real life; they are unhealthy and often involve drama and immaturity that no one deserves to deal with. This is why the Jack/Jacob/Anders/Fenris romances never really appealed to me. Each of those romantic arcs have their own rewards, but angsty dramatic romance is just not my thing /shrug.

That being said, by the time I got to the second Solas scene, my alarms bells were screaming. If I didn't already know some of the amazing twists at the end, I would have unfortunately jumped ship to the only romance with even more angst (which would have made the game really suck for me lol!).

The reason I find the reluctance romance angle to work so well in the Solas/Lavallen dynamic is because of who he is. Solas embodies a gigantic revelation of Elvhen culture, for one. He's also timeless in his knowledge because of how he experiences history. He has his own mission that seems to trump even the Breach itself....

And we get fair warning. The initial reluctance is telling enough. When it happens a second time, the player has had enough warnings to know the Solas romance is not going to entail a gigantic ball of fluff at the end. And I'm so grateful they added him has a love potential, because honestly, none of the other romances appeal to me whatsoever. Except for Dorian, and that was completely unexpected. But I digress.

[Mims]

I enjoyed Solas's romance. Loved it, even. Not out of a desire to go through angst, but because I was completely compelled by both characters. Solas's romance might not end the way people want it to, but in that short time we are given one of the better love stories that bioware has written. There's a lot of emotion on screen. A lot of emotion that you typically don't get from a story told by CGI puppets. 

 

Escapism comes in a lot of forms. Some people are just looking to have an open and shut romance. Meet, fall in love, get married. Generally that's the sort of romance we look for in real life. In real life, the narrative isn't being shaped by an author's hand. You can't look back in time and think, 'Well, my boyfriend was totally foreshadowing having some sort of deep regret in the second act. I should stick around!'

 

In a narrative, looking back is perfectly valid. What you are watching or reading has been crafted with [hopefully] the intention of having a logical conclusion. Bioware has made its share of mistakes in the past with romances, but all signs point to Solas being a story they want to continue. And for better or worse, his romance with Lavellan has a purpose in the grand scheme of things. Maybe it will be that much easier to convince him not to do whatever he is planning. Maybe it will be what saves him. Maybe it will be what kills him.

 

Or perhaps it was just a brief glimpse into a person that feared being alone and wanted to reach out to someone. All of this is escapism. We want to think that we can save a character, or that our actions have a deep impact on someone's life. 

 

To me, the narrative potential of Solas's romance far exceeds the others. Like Morrigan's, it favors a certain sort of ambiguity. If you don't like ambiguity, there's Cullen or Iron Bull. That is the choice you are given as a player. 

[nightwolf667]

*de-lurks*

 

I just got the banter between Blackwall and Solas after Solas's personal quest where Blackwall is trying to console Solas about the outcome and Solas responds that he hopes that Blackwall never faces a moment where ignorance steals everything he loves.

 

All I could think about was

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the impending decision at the Temple of Mythal because I was planning on having Lavellan give herself over.

 

I just sort of sat there, then I wanted to cry. It feels like terrible foreshadowing in retrospect. This is my second playthrough so I know what's coming, but now I'm not sure I can bring myself to do it. Poor Solas.

[Dermain]

I guess I'm not really seeing how it fits into a game series that prides itself on player choice.  

 

At least Morrigan told you what's what before she left and we always knew that the Warden would somehow find her due to the ring she gave him.

 

That's not how the ring worked. The ring allowed Morrigan to track the Warden not the other way around.

 

Thank you guys

 

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The more I learn about Solas, the more I think he's the one who attacked Felassan in the Fade at the end of the Masked Empire. Maybe the true body of Fen'Harel is still trapped somewhere in the Fade, maybe the body he is occupying now is the one of Felassan? Well, it's just a theory, I'll try to romance him soon to gather more info ...

 

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I theorized that Felassan  had been working with Solas and that they were somehow related, but I think your theory may be more correct.

[Tielis]

I hope you're right.  I got the damned romance achievement (Beloved and Precious: Commit to a Romantic Relationship)  after Solas dumped my Lavellan.  It could just be sadism on the writer's part ( ), but I'd like to think that the description of the achievement actually means something for ALL the romances. 

 

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They'll call it the Wolf Hunt DLC.  And her eternal soul/spirit enters the Fade with Solas or something and they live happily ever     .  Or at the very least (and probably realistically), Lavellan can confront Solas and learn the truth.

 

 

 

Jacob 

 

And Gorim.  

[kalasaurus]

And Gorim.  

 

Gorim moved on pretty fast, didn't he? lol

[Tielis]

That's not how the ring worked. The ring allowed Morrigan to track the Warden not the other way around.

 

 

[spoier]I theorized that Felassan  had been working with Solas and that they were somehow related, but I think your theory may be more correct.[/spoiler]

 

That's not the impression I got.  I think he even asks her about it and she says that it's possible.  And here's the wiki entry:

 

The ring was originally owned by Flemeth and it was given to Morrigan so Flemeth could keep track of her.

Morrigan claimed to have altered the magic before giving it to the Warden. The ring allows Morrigan to sense the Warden and find his location. When asked if the ring does anything else, she will state that it's a link between two people, it may work in both ways but she cannot confirm whether The Warden can actually use it to sense Morrigan in return.

The ring's relevance appears twice: when the Warden gets captured by Ser Cauthrien, Morrigan will tell Arl Eamon that she knows where the Warden is being held. The second appearance is in the epilogue: if Morrigan is romanced, and her proposal is accepted, the Warden will sense that Morrigan feels sorrow and regret for what has transpired.

 

The ring has a couple of appearances in the Witch Hunt DLC.

• Upon entering one of the locations to acquire items for the scrying ritual, Ariane spots the Warden fiddling with his ring finger. Ariane comments on the fact – at which point the Warden explains his attachment to it (based on the player's response).
• Later at the Eluvian, if the Warden asks Morrigan why she hadn't already left prior to his arrival, she explains that she could feel his approach because of the ring.

[Mims]

 

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I theorized that Felassan  had been working with Solas and that they were somehow related, but I think your theory may be more correct.

 

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This is an interesting theory! I started to flip through Masked Empire looking for some descriptions of Felassan. There might be one hidden deeper in the book, but I can't really find anything to say this isn't impossible. The major difference between Solas and Felassan is the tattoos [which we already know Solas can remove], and Felassan had violet colored eyes. Which presumably could be changed.  

 

I don't personally think that Solas is Felassan, just because Felessan is described as dying to a blow. And the sense I got from him was that he might have been a bit older than Solas. But, still perfectly possible without further evidence. 

[Shechinah]

Just to add my two cents to both Solas' agenda and his relationship with Lavellan;

 

(Spoiler) I think Solas had some part in why the supposed elven gods are gone hence his guilt but that it was more complicated since Abelas claims the Dread Wolf had nothing to do with Mythal's murder. Since slavery was confirmed to be a thing and he is suggested to be the god of rebellion, he might have either aided or outright fought with a rebellion against the other gods. Maybe he did do something that finally sealed them away. I also think he was a very different person than he is now as he seems to say, in banter, that a mistake he made was made by someone younger who thought he had all the answers.

 

(Spoiler) As far as I can figure, he is trying to undo his mistake by finding some way or another to bring back the ancient elves or maybe just the elven gods. He does not consider the "modern" elves be they city elves or dalish to be what he considers the People which makes sense. This especially explains his dislike of the Dalish who claim to be "true elves" but despite their arrogance, really know nothing and is essentially a reminder that the elven people have been reduced to tribals where they before had cities. They are also close-minded, a trait he has no love of.

 

(Spoiler) In short, it makes sense that he sees no real connection between himself and them based on features alone. It'd be like having two people from two very different countries with very different cultures and one telling the other that they have kinship because of a shared skin color.

 

(Spoiler) From some of his banter with Varric, it also seems like he cannot stand being the last of his "world" and that if he dies, then that's the end.

 

(Spoiler) His relationship with Lavellan is about him seeing that there is something more to the "modern" elves even if the Inquisitor rejects the idea of attributing their decisions to their Dalish heritage. Even if they are an exception to what he generally believes, they still have traits and a spirit that suggest potential (Need to find a better way to phrase it). Maybe they even give him hope that there's more exceptions to be found and that's exactly why he has to break it off and leave.

 

(Spoiler) In his post-break up banter with Cole, the latter mentions that "you are real and that means they could be" which I took to mean that the other elves could have the same potential as Lavellan and that he fears staying would make it too hard to do what he needed to, it'd make it too easy to just bury his mistake and built a pretend life on top of it.

 

I don't know if it is just me but there seems to be a foreboding tone that implies something might happen to current elves if the old ones were to return.

 

(I'll clean this post up, I promise. Add a few banter quotes)

[Tielis]

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This is an interesting theory! I started to flip through Masked Empire looking for some descriptions of Felassan. There might be one hidden deeper in the book, but I can't really find anything to say this isn't impossible. The major difference between Solas and Felassan is the tattoos [which we already know Solas can remove], and Felassan had violet colored eyes. Which presumably could be changed.  

 

I don't personally think that Solas is Felassan, just because Felessan is described as dying to a blow. And the sense I got from him was that he might have been a bit older than Solas. But, still perfectly possible without further evidence. 

 

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At first I thought that perhaps Fen'Harel's mission was to shore up the Veil since that's where he trapped the Creators.  Now that he knows that things have changed and that the are still wreaking havoc even from inside their prisons... I think he's out to kill them all now since that's the only way to end the world's suffering for good.  He's now on a mission to track down all of their essences and absorb them, starting with Mythal.

 

Being with Lavellan makes him think that perhaps there is still hope for a different solution, because if he can find hope and love in a "slave", then perhaps his peers can be redeemed.  His thinking is nothing if not black and white.

 

And yes, unfortunately I really think he is going to be the next villain because what could possibly go wrong with a plan like that?

[Ajna]

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This is an interesting theory! I started to flip through Masked Empire looking for some descriptions of Felassan. There might be one hidden deeper in the book, but I can't really find anything to say this isn't impossible. The major difference between Solas and Felassan is the tattoos [which we already know Solas can remove], and Felassan had violet colored eyes. Which presumably could be changed.  

 

I don't personally think that Solas is Felassan, just because Felessan is described as dying to a blow. And the sense I got from him was that he might have been a bit older than Solas. But, still perfectly possible without further evidence. 

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I've been flicking through it as well, looking for any and all Felassan/Fen'Harel info, he does seem to be older too, his staff does glow green which I found interesting, but Felassan seems to have a thing for violence and we know that Solas doesn't.  I wondered whether Felassan may have been an agent of Solas', playing the 'other side' and whoever killed him, like a double agent.  Felassan is actually my favourite character in TME, his sarcasm is glorious.  I don't think he ever intended to give up the Eluvians, but I'm not done with the flicking yet lol.

[Avejajed]

I could never finish masked empire for some reason (wasn't my favorite) but I think I'm gonna have to now.

Re: Manipulative (nothing I like better than beating a dead horse):

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Solas is manipulative. He does it over and over in the game. It's just masked as helping, and since what he wants and what we want are usually the same, it's not oozing with obvious.

That said I believe and argument could be made for that sort of man being toxic in relationships. Especially if you've ever been in a romantic relationship with a subtle master manipulator.

But I don't think Solas does anything to hurt you on purpose, and I also think that if what he wanted to accomplish included harming a romanced inquisitor (any more than walking away does) that he would find another way to accomplish his goal. I do not believe he sees everyone as disposable.

If anyone has ever seen Once Upon A Time- a romance like Rumple is exactly the kind of toxic, manipulative relationship that Solas is not. Rumple loves Belle but in the end she is disposable.

It's early and this probably didn't make any sense. Today I'm gonna write Solas smut.

[Mims]

 

I don't know if it is just me but there seems to be a foreboding tone that implies something might happen to current elves if the old ones were to return.

 

 

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I definitely think so. Its possible that the elven gods, when released, will go looking for followers. Or the ancient elves will welcome the Dalish and city elves back as slaves. And as desperate as the situation is, they might even go along with it. Who wouldn't want to be the servant of their gods, after all?

In a way, the Dalish ARE waiting for someone to come and save them. They haven't been proactive. If Felassan is an ancient elf, we know that they are frustrated with their 'mundane' kin. Felassan eventually reports to his master, who is either Solas or another ancient elf, that the Dalish/City Elves are stronger than [they] think they are.

 

I don't think Solas hates the Dalish, or wishes ill upon them. But he feels justified by whatever his plans are because of that sentiment. As far as he can tell, most mundane elves are already in some form of servitude or another.