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[Tielis]

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I definitely think so. Its possible that the elven gods, when released, will go looking for followers. Or the ancient elves will welcome the Dalish and city elves back as slaves. And as desperate as the situation is, they might even go along with it. Who wouldn't want to be the servant of their gods, after all?

In a way, the Dalish ARE waiting for someone to come and save them. They haven't been proactive. If Felassan is an ancient elf, we know that they are frustrated with their 'mundane' kin. Felassan eventually reports to his master, who is either Solas or another ancient elf, that the Dalish/City Elves are stronger than [they] think they are.

 

I don't think Solas hates the Dalish, or wishes ill upon them. But he feels justified by whatever his plans are because of that sentiment. As far as he can tell, most mundane elves are already in some form of servitude or another. 

 

Spoiler

But he also says that the clans are very disparate.  If faced with their gods, some might be subservient ("The People bend their knee too easily."), but some might be horrified to learn the truth and take up arms against them.

 

Hmm... If the Creators get loose, I sure hope that we can eventually persuade Solas to lead the elves against them instead of just deciding that he has to be the man to solve everything by himself.

[Dune01]

I just started a new female Lavellan playthrough and am interested in romancing Solas(epilogue reasons ). But, then I'm also interested in Cullen since he really has a deep storyline. What would you tell me to persuade me to continue with Solas?

[Mims]

Romance both! Three playthroughs!

 

Or, romance Solas first. Then, save before his final scene. Play through it to see how it unfolds. Reload, break up with him first, romance Cullen. 

[Shechinah]

It's tragic but beautifully written.

[Dune01]

It's tragic but beautifully written.

Solas it is.

[Mims]

Spoiler

But he also says that the clans are very disparate.  If faced with their gods, some might be subservient ("The People bend their knee too easily."), but some might be horrified to learn the truth and take up arms against them.

 

Hmm... If the Creators get loose, I sure hope that we can eventually persuade Solas to lead the elves against them instead of just deciding that he has to be the man to solve everything by himself.

 

Spoiler

I think a lot of them would probably be subservient, unfortunately. If you see the ancient elves as a god, then of course you are going to do what they want. If you see them as mortals, ancient elves might also promise a return to the old empire. For most elves, being a slave under other elves and being able to absorb their own culture would be preferable to the current situation. 

 

Elves like Sera would be the ones most equipped to rebel, as they don't seem to see themselves as 'true' elves. And Lavellan, certainly, as she is currently one of the few elves in the world that now wields a ton of power. Both literal, and politically. 

 

All speculation, of course, but I absolutely love that sort of implied plotline. Elves in DA have been static for a long while, barring a few rebellions. It is about time we shake things up a bit. 

[Kulyok]

So, remember Solas' first quest? When I went for the very first time and saw another Dalish female mage there, my first thought was to tell her to sod off. Which I did. Loudly. And guess what she said? "May the Dread Wolf take you!"

 

Spoiler

Amen to that, sister. Amen to that.

[Tielis]

Spoiler

I think a lot of them would probably be subservient, unfortunately. If you see the ancient elves as a god, then of course you are going to do what they want. If you see them as mortals, ancient elves might also promise a return to the old empire. For most elves, being a slave under other elves and being able to absorb their own culture would be preferable to the current situation. 

 

Elves like Sera would be the ones most equipped to rebel, as they don't seem to see themselves as 'true' elves. And Lavellan, certainly, as she is currently one of the few elves in the world that now wields a ton of power. Both literal, and politically. 

 

All speculation, of course, but I absolutely love that sort of implied plotline. Elves in DA have been static for a long while, barring a few rebellions. It is about time we shake things up a bit. 

 

Spoiler

I suppose it depends on their pride and how they translate it into the present.  "We are the last of the Elvhenan, and never again shall we submit."

[TheKinkyHuntress]

When people say Solas is manipulative, are talking about the romantic relationship or in general?

As far as the romantic relationship, I have to disagree. I don't see any manipulation. He doesn't explain why, but he does express that things will be easier for them both if they don't indulge their feelings. It seems to be an inner struggle between Solas wanting to be loved, but not wanting a relationship to complicate his big mission. Which of course, makes the romance all the more sensual and emotional. Wanting what you shouldn't have. Poor Lavallen

...How is he manipulative? I just don't see it.

[Tielis]

When people say Solas is manipulative, are talking about the romantic relationship or in general?

As far as the romantic relationship, I have to disagree. I don't see any manipulation. He doesn't explain why, but he does express that things will be easier for them both if they don't indulge their feelings. It seems to be an inner struggle between Solas wanting to be loved, but not wanting a relationship to complicate his big mission. Which of course, makes the romance all the more sensual and emotional. Wanting what you shouldn't have. Poor Lavallen

...How is he manipulative? I just don't see it.

 

When you do not give someone all the information they need to make a truly informed choice, and then by your actions breadcrumb them into a certain path, that is manipulation -- saying one thing and doing another.  Mind, you, this does not have to be done maliciously in order to be morally lacking.

[Avejajed]

I just started a new female Lavellan playthrough and am interested in romancing Solas(epilogue reasons ). But, then I'm also interested in Cullen since he really has a deep storyline. What would you tell me to persuade me to continue with Solas?

Cullen was my first and I recommend the romance as it is sweet, satisfying, and everything I hoped it would be.

I'm romancing Solas now for science.

I say do them both. I now have two canon playthroughs. I've never done that before. I play for fun or whatever but usually have that one pt that is how the story truly happened for me. But I can no longer choose between Solas and Cullen.

[Tielis]

Cullen was my first and I recommend the romance as it is sweet, satisfying, and everything I hoped it would be.

I'm romancing Solas now for science.

I say do them both. I now have two canon playthroughs. I've never done that before. I play for fun or whatever but usually have that one pt that is how the story truly happened for me. But I can no longer choose between Solas and Cullen.

 

This reminds me that I could never choose between Casavir and Bishop, and so I always kept one "good" and one "evil" save, even though the Bishop "romance" went nowhere.  I saw shades of that with Solas, and that enraged me.  Lead me on and then drop me off a cliff, devs, I hate that.

 

But I think it is simply a temporary cliffhanger, unlike Bishop.

[vertigomez]

Mmmmm, Bishop. He was an evil dickhead, but in a good way. As in... I wouldn't touch him with a ten foot pole IRL but in fiction? Hell yeah.

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I rather liked how his story played out in MotB. That scene at the Wall of the Faithless... his reaction to Gann... yes pls.

[Avejajed]

When people say Solas is manipulative, are talking about the romantic relationship or in general?

As far as the romantic relationship, I have to disagree. I don't see any manipulation. He doesn't explain why, but he does express that things will be easier for them both if they don't indulge their feelings. It seems to be an inner struggle between Solas wanting to be loved, but not wanting a relationship to complicate his big mission. Which of course, makes the romance all the more sensual and emotional. Wanting what you shouldn't have. Poor Lavallen

...How is he manipulative? I just don't see it.

I meant more in a general sense.

I think it is very much a debatable issue depending on how you see it (so really we may all be correct).

I see Solas as having tried to manipulate Cory and the Orb for his own ends, whatever they may be. That failed, so he uses suggestion and subtle nudges and guides to do all he can to get the Orb back through the inquisition. It is in his own best interest to see to it that the inquisition succeeds because that falls in with what he (allegedly) wants.

Defeating the big evil who threatens to swallow the world? Just an enjoyable side benefit. His end goal is to get back that orb.

But clearly arguments can be made to the opposite. I think they left it open to interpretation for now- and we can all view the character differently depending on how he fits into our own personal stories.

That's really the best thing, too. Those subtle nuances that make him come to life- the morally grey areas that let us make this world other people created our own.

[Tielis]

Mmmmm, Bishop. He was an evil dickhead, but in a good way. As in... I wouldn't touch him with a ten foot pole IRL but in fiction? Hell yeah.

Spoiler

I rather liked how his story played out in MotB. That scene at the Wall of the Faithless... his reaction to Gann... yes pls.

 

LOL yeah  DANGER WILL ROBINSON  It was okay because you knew that it was going to be all bad so you could put up that wall of separation between your character and yourself.

 

With Solas the spidey senses never kicked in and I was blindsided and ow ow ow.  Maybe because I still have a lot to learn about fixing the ol' man-picker in real life.

[Dune01]

Cullen was my first and I recommend the romance as it is sweet, satisfying, and everything I hoped it would be.

I'm romancing Solas now for science.

I say do them both. I now have two canon playthroughs. I've never done that before. I play for fun or whatever but usually have that one pt that is how the story truly happened for me. But I can no longer choose between Solas and Cullen.

I've never played an RPG two times if I feel a connection with my first/canon. This time I just had to make a Lavallan, despite already having a Cass-romanced Adaar which I adore. Inquisition just does it right, everything imo

[Ceoldoren]

I'm doing Bull now. Cullen was good. Dorian was adorable, a bit on the short side as you can get all his romance scenes in a few hours if you try. I'm gonna pass on Solas and Blackwall I think. Despite my love for them.  I've had enough tragedy in my Bioware games to last a lifetime. (Looking at you Thane. Looking at you.)

[vertigomez]

LOL yeah  DANGER WILL ROBINSON  It was okay because you knew that it was going to be all bad so you could put up that wall of separation between your character and yourself.
 
With Solas the spidey senses never kicked in and I was blindsided and ow ow ow.  Maybe because I still have a lot to learn about fixing the ol' man-picker in real life.

Honestly, I blame the Fade tongue. Who has time for "it would be kinder in the long run..." and "impulsive and ill-considered" when you've got a hot apostate shoving his tongue down your throat?

[TheKinkyHuntress]

When you do not give someone all the information they need to make a truly informed choice, and then by your actions breadcrumb them into a certain path, that is manipulation -- saying one thing and doing another.  Mind, you, this does not have to be done maliciously in order to be morally lacking.

I meant more in a general sense.
I think it is very much a debatable issue depending on how you see it (so really we may all be correct).
I see Solas as having tried to manipulate Cory and the Orb for his own ends, whatever they may be. That failed, so he uses suggestion and subtle nudges and guides to do all he can to get the Orb back through the inquisition. It is in his own best interest to see to it that the inquisition succeeds because that falls in with what he (allegedly) wants.
Defeating the big evil who threatens to swallow the world? Just an enjoyable side benefit. His end goal is to get back that orb.
But clearly arguments can be made to the opposite. I think they left it open to interpretation for now- and we can all view the character differently depending on how he fits into our own personal stories.
That's really the best thing, too. Those subtle nuances that make him come to life- the morally grey areas that let us make this world other people created our own.

Alright thanks for the explanations. I was just curious.

And actually, I'm still only 45 hours in and have only completed the first two romantic scenes and his bff spirit of wisdom quest.

The fact that they made these scenes so darn sweet is what's going to make the end so darn painful!

[nightwolf667]

This reminds me that I could never choose between Casavir and Bishop, and so I always kept one "good" and one "evil" save, even though the Bishop "romance" went nowhere.  I saw shades of that with Solas, and that enraged me.  Lead me on and then drop me off a cliff, devs, I hate that.

 

But I think it is simply a temporary cliffhanger, unlike Bishop.

 

Oh god... Bishop... That sexy, sexy, frustratingly evil man... Ugh, my chaotic good Bard was so in love with him until she fell hard for Gann. Oh, Gann... I love Bishop for his "what might have been" qualities more than as a genuine romance, but that's mostly because his romance wasn't finished.

 

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I actually put the Solas romance in with the Gann romance because it's actually plot relevant. It doesn't mirror the story themes as strongly as in Mask of the Betrayer both romance options are history repeating itself in a very literal way (which I personally love). Still, between the themes of mortality and divinity at play with the Inquisitor's circumstances, being the "Chosen" of a god and being loved by a god (whether or not he actually is one) sort of mirrors Andraste and the Maker in a very funny/sad sort of way. They're both from different worlds. So from a plot perspective, it's actually worth it for me.

 

I did the Cullen romance first and I liked it. It's nice, soft, and leaves me with all kind of squishy feelings. I'm enjoying the Solas romance for it's squishyness and it's sadness, but also because it feels very on point. From that perspective, Solas may end up being my canon. It'll be interesting to see what they do with him. Hopefully, it's not the end and we'll get some DLC expanding on the content a little.

[Hedinve]

I can't for the life of me see that breadcrumbs you into a certain path?

Spoiler

you got the anchor probably by accident, it should have been his, he stays to monitor the situation. What else should he have done? Let some random person run around with power not seen for milliennia? Or presented himself? I can picture that scene, "Hi I'm the dread wolf, a god famed for destroying the world and my fancy ancient orb is in the hands of a crazy darkspawn/magister who made a giant demonspewing hole in the sky, please help?". I may be biased as his views on a lot of things align with mine on the fade, spirits and magic

He tells you as much as he can without freaking you out. He never stoppes you or foil your plans, the way I see it he tries to provide as much information as possible to let you make more informed choices.

[kalasaurus]

When you do not give someone all the information they need to make a truly informed choice, and then by your actions breadcrumb them into a certain path, that is manipulation -- saying one thing and doing another.  Mind, you, this does not have to be done maliciously in order to be morally lacking.

 

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I'm inclined to agree.  As much as I love the Solas romance arc (and know this will be unpopular of me to say), Solas should have either broken it off with Lavellan much earlier or completely rebuffed her advances.  He gives her vague warnings, sure, but says one thing and does another.  The romance scenes have plenty of mixed messages.

 

That doesn't mean he's a bad person.  In fact, the romance makes him more "human" and relatable- he's lonely (his biggest fear is dying alone), and despite his better judgment, he falls in love with a mortal woman.  He's trying (and failing) to resist his attraction to her and caves in.  I don't hold it against him.

[Tielis]

I can't for the life of me see that breadcrumbs you into a certain path?

Spoiler

you got the anchor probably by accident, it should have been his, he stays to monitor the situation. What else should he have done? Let some random person run around with power not seen for milliennia? Or presented himself? I can picture that scene, "Hi I'm the dread wolf, a god famed for destroying the world and my fancy ancient orb is in the hands of a crazy darkspawn/magister who made a giant demonspewing hole in the sky, please help?". I may be biased as his views on a lot of things align with mine on the fade, spirits and magic

He tells you as much as he can without freaking you out. He never stoppes you or foil your plans, the way I see it he tries to provide as much information as possible to let you make more informed choices.

 

And it's okay that he decides for me what I can and can't handle?

[hex0mega]

And it's okay that he decides for me what I can and can't handle?

 

It might be far more about what he cannot handle than about what you cannot handle. 

[Hedinve]

No if he wasn't who he is, no. If he was a normal guy with a secret like the others I would wholeheartedly argree with you. And what hexomega said.