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[Moondreamer01]

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Couldn't the war be between the Elves and the Dwarves- and the forgotten ones are the Gods of the Dwarves, or the equivalent of what the Elven Pantheon are? Lets say the "dwarven gods" lost the war, (started because they were trying to protect the titans and the lyrium from the elves that wanted to use/abuse it), and the result was that the dwarves got cut off somehow from the titans and the lyrium.  The veil went up by Solas to protect the elves and to keep the two warring factions apart which would have resulted in...idk. Maybe he was trying to keep the elven gods away from all that lyrium supply, that's what they wanted to get even more powerful? Maybe that was the "much worse" option he spoke of. Obviously I haven't worked out the details here. lol

 

 

 

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I have a feeling that this "much worse" option has something to do with what Andruil brought back from the void, which might well be the taint/blight. Is the taint some sort of biological weapon used by (or against?) the enavuris and that got out of hand and the only way to stop it before it got to bad was to raise the veil? Did Solas know the consequences to all those elves trapped in places like the Crossroad or did he not know the consequences would be quite so dramatic (or thought there would be more time to get people to safety). Taint and song... titans and song... fade and song... Urgh. I can feel there's a connection between all of it but it's just out of reach. We're still missing a really important part of this puzzle.

 

Edit : I'm rambling even worse than usual and I apologize *sighs*

[Cee]

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More Elven. Said by the librarians:

 

 

 

Also, they're fear demons. That makes sense, it would've been a fearful time to have your world collapse.

 

 

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Cole trying to say hello to them was pretty adorable. He tried, I suppose.

 

 

[Avejajed]

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I have a feeling that this "much worse" option has something to do with what Andruil brought back from the void, which might well be the taint/blight. Is the taint some sort of biological weapon used by (or against?) the enavuris and that got out of hand and the only way to stop it before it got to bad was to raise the veil? Did Solas know the consequences to all those elves trapped in places like the Crossroad or did he not realize the consequences would be quite so dramatic (or thought there would be more time to get people to safety). Taint and son... titans and song... fade and song... Urgh. I can feel there's a connection between all of it but it's just out of reach. We're still missing a really important part of this puzzle.

 

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This is such a good idea though- I never bought that the blight was created by the magisters/golden city. Making it some kind of weapon- I'm gonna have to mull it over and get back to you after lunch.

[Cee]

Dorian related:

 

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Seeing Mae in his epilogue make me squee.

 

Same

 

 

 

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Leliana shows up in her Spymaster gear in the stinger at the end if you disband. I've not seen how or if it's different, because I haven't not disbanded.

 

Can confirm this as well.

 

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It was nice to see her out of the ridiculous outfit and see her lovely red hair again. Even for a moment.

[Moondreamer01]

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This is such a good idea though- I never bought that the blight was created by the magisters/golden city. Making it some kind of weapon- I'm gonna have to mull it over and get back to you after lunch.

 

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From the discovery of the primordial thaig in DA2 and its veins of red lyrium, I'm pretty sure the blight predates the magisters by a long time. Was it created by the titans, or was it used to infect the titans is the question. It could have been created by the titans as a mechanism or protection against the elves hunting them down to mine the lyrium I suppose. I could also see it being created by the enavuris for some purpose and then it got away from them (the story of Andruil and the void might well be a metaphor that she came up with the idea and repeated use and contact with it did to her the same thing it did to Bartrand, that is render her insane). Solas saw this and saw that it could actually kill everything and in raising the veil he trapped the enavuris AND the taint/blight in ground zero : Arlathan -- The black/golden city that is at the center of the fade from whatever point you're standing.

 

Then, the magisters invaded the black city, pushed by something or someone (the forgotten ones? The enavuris themselves?) and through that breach, the taint was released. Thus, the first Blight. Someone was behind their incursion, someone who knew quite well what they would unwittingly unleash on the world. What I want to know is, who was it?

 

More thoughts to follow once I put some order to my ideas. This is fun though...

 

Edit : Could Mythal's murder come from a disagreement about what to do with the taint? Mythal against using it and the other side for continuing its use (with maybe Sylaise and June in the middle refusing to take a side, and so in Solas' mind just as guilty.)

 

[Sable Rhapsody]

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For one, I think Skyhold had a huge part to play when Solas raised the veil. The elven name means something like "holding the sky up", which sounds suspiciously like something either Solas or Cole (I'm at work and can't do the appropriate research to get the exact quote. if someone could help me I'd appreciate a great deal!) said. It's suspicious as heck in any case.

 

Codex entry for Skyhold

Codex entry for...possibly a literal Slow Arrow?

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I'm 99% positive Skyhold was Solas's old HQ and ritual site.  From the description of the construction, elves all over the empire helped him build it over centuries.  He basically passed his old digs on to Lavellan.  There is a more sinister explanation, which is that the magic of Skyhold fortifies him as well as the Inquisition.  It's his magic of old, and while it might not be as concentrated as the orb, he can still tap into it with the confidence that the Inquisition will never find out what he's up to.

 

This does raise the interesting (but unlikely) possibility of Skyhold returning in future games, but it's not the castle itself that concerns us.  It's the elven magic below.  It could be...a weapon?  A bulwark against whatever Solas is planning?  A ritual site that he means to capture and use?

[FernRain]

@cee

 

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points for trying! Cole, don't trust anything with more than four limbs..

[Moondreamer01]

 

Codex entry for Skyhold

Codex entry for...possibly a literal Slow Arrow?

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I'm 99% positive Skyhold was Solas's old HQ and ritual site.  From the description of the construction, elves all over the empire helped him build it over centuries.  He basically passed his old digs on to Lavellan.  There is a more sinister explanation, which is that the magic of Skyhold fortifies him as well as the Inquisition.  It's his magic of old, and while it might not be as concentrated as the orb, he can still tap into it with the confidence that the Inquisition will never find out what he's up to.

 

This does raise the interesting (but unlikely) possibility of Skyhold returning in future games, but it's not the castle itself that concerns us.  It's the elven magic below.  It could be...a weapon?  A bulwark against whatever Solas is planning?  A ritual site that he means to capture and use?

 

Thanks so much for those! I barely have time to write down my posts (the typos show that I'm afraid) and couldn't go on a codex hunt!

[Lilaih]

I'm a long time lurker in these forums, but now I had to open up about my feelings towards certain elven expert.

 

Finished Trespasser yesterday with my female Lavellan and this dlc made me love Solas even more. He is such a complex character who made me as a player to think and his romance arc made me feel. Inquisition is first game ever to make cry and it had to happen twice. When I played Inquisition first time this elven apostate intrigued me and then I saw credits. My second Inquisitor was elven mage and it has gone downhill after that. Now most of my Inquisitor's are female elves. I admit that without his romance arc I probably wouldn't like Solas this much, but all the feels. Now every new revelation about him makes me want to know more.

 

I don't want to ramble too much. Just wanted to introduce myself to other people who understand what it is to like love The Dread Wolf.

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[drosophila]

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I just realized: Remember the post-breakup option where you ask Solas if he would explain after Cory has been defeated? He said (not an exact quote, because I'm at work and don't have the time to find it right now):

 

"When all this is done, if we're both still alive, it will all be made clear."

 

I always interpreted this to mean that he thought whatever he was planning to do with the Orb might cost him his life. Nope. It was her that was meant to die all along. 

 

One more thing: It makes much more sense now that list last romantic scene was right after he asks what Lavellan would do with the power of the Well. If he was getting ready to confess, he must've needed reassurance that the world he would be staying in is worth saving, and that Lavellan and the Inquisition would be doing good in it.

 

I feel like I need to gather the strength to start my whole Solavellan playthrough all over and look for new hidden meanings in everything he says.

[Moondreamer01]

I'm a long time lurker in these forums, but now I had to open up about my feelings towards certain elven expert.

 

Finished Trespasser yesterday with my female Lavellan and this dlc made me love Solas even more. He is such a complex character who made me as a player to think and his romance arc made me feel. Inquisition is first game ever to make cry and it had to happen twice. When I played Inquisition first time this elven apostate intrigued me and then I saw credits. My second Inquisitor was elven mage and it has gone downhill after that. Now most of my Inquisitor's are female elves. I admit that without his romance arc I probably wouldn't like Solas this much, but all the feels. Now every new revelation about him makes me want to know more.

 

I don't want to ramble too much. Just wanted to introduce myself to other people who understand what it is to like love The Dread Wolf.

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Hi and welcome to the blanket fort! I'm sure someone will have kittens and the frilly cakes are over in the corner 

[Cee]

@cee

 

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points for trying! Cole, don't trust anything with more than four limbs..

 

[NightSymphony]

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[drosophila]

 

Codex entry for Skyhold

Codex entry for...possibly a literal Slow Arrow?

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I'm 99% positive Skyhold was Solas's old HQ and ritual site.  From the description of the construction, elves all over the empire helped him build it over centuries.  He basically passed his old digs on to Lavellan.  There is a more sinister explanation, which is that the magic of Skyhold fortifies him as well as the Inquisition.  It's his magic of old, and while it might not be as concentrated as the orb, he can still tap into it with the confidence that the Inquisition will never find out what he's up to.

 

This does raise the interesting (but unlikely) possibility of Skyhold returning in future games, but it's not the castle itself that concerns us.  It's the elven magic below.  It could be...a weapon?  A bulwark against whatever Solas is planning?  A ritual site that he means to capture and use?

 

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If Skyhold, the place where the sky was held back, was where he originally activated the veil, could it be that he also needs to do something there to de-activate it? That's what the elven magic could be doing and if you're going to stop Solas you have to get to it and cut off his access somehow. 

[NightSymphony]

And here is a very sexy Fenris to help you all with your heartache

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[Eurowande]

ok i made the mistake to check few other threads , now i need someone to hug me, the hate is just too real . Here is the only save place .....

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someone even asked what crazy person will want to pick up the option to join Solas ... guess im crazy then, and im totally ok with it. I dont want to join him so i can destroy the world, but because i believe i can change his mind, and if i cant i prefer to spend what time i have with him...

BTW i saw an option where you can attack Solas anyone know what happen if you pick it?

[Avejajed]

I too want to start over. But I want to make a elven mage who drinks from well. I hope I can love her as much as my Revas.

[drake2511]

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I just realized: Remember the post-breakup option where you ask Solas if he would explain after Cory has been defeated? He said (not an exact quote, because I'm at work and don't have the time to find it right now):

 

"When all this is done, if we're both still alive, it will all be made clear."

 

I always interpreted this to mean that he thought whatever he was planning to do with the Orb might cost him his life. Nope. It was her that was meant to die all along. 

 

One more thing: It makes much more sense now that list last romantic scene was right after he asks what Lavellan would do with the power of the Well. If he was getting ready to confess, he must've needed reassurance that the world he would be staying in is worth saving, and that Lavellan and the Inquisition would be doing good in it.

 

I feel like I need to gather the strength to start my whole Solavellan playthrough all over and look for new hidden meanings in everything he says.

 

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You just reminded me that he was ready to tell her everything before breaking up with her. This is hitting me hard, harder that it did when Patrick admitted in that interview that Solas was going to confess. Now that we know everything and we learned his nasty plan, now that we know Lavellan doesn't have the choice of following him into the mirror, now that we know he would tell her EVERYTHING, out of love, TRUST...

 

This gives me one of those "hopless hope" feelings, like when you're watching a movie you've already seen 10 times but you ALWAYS hope for it to change magically and end in another way, in a happier way. Like I dunno, you hope the Titanic won't hit the iceberg and Jack and Rose will get married and live happily ever after. 

 

Now I'm going to go through the game hoping he will tell her everything and she'll have the time to figure something out to help him/stop him, knowing it will end tragically in any way. Ouch.

 

[Lilaih]

I too want to start over. But I want to make a elven mage who drinks from well. I hope I can love her as much as my Revas.

 

Well the Lavellan that I finished Trespasser yesterday not only drank from the well (hardest decision ever) but also kept her vallaslin. Ironically that vallaslin is dedicated to Dirthamen aka Keeper of Secrets. 

[DustyTulip]

I am still 30 pages behind, but I really have to got back to work... so for now (sorry, from resurrecting things from 30-40 pages ago...)

 

 

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I honestly think they need to stop looking at "how will new players react" and just tell the story.  At that point it'll be the 4th game in the series.  You're pretty deep into the story and new players should honestly expect to not know wth is going on at that point.  Personally I'm getting tired of new protags.  Also the setup at the end of the dlc really leaves me wondering how and what they'll do with the next game.  I'm not convinced the Inquisitor will be the next protag but I'm also not convinced that they won't be.

 

 

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While unfortunately, I think they will go with the new protagonist, I would love to play Inquisitor again. In terms of new people to Dragon Age catching up with DA4, I have never played a single DA game until Inquisition. In fact, I have no played a single BioWare game before Inquisition. Was I confused at the start? Hell, ya. I remember that one conversation with Viv very early in the game where she is basically asking about your opinion on the circle. I read all the options and have realised that I have absolutely no idea what they mean. Why are circles good?.. Or bad? I paused the game and went on the wiki, skim read the plot for the last two games and then continued playing with, if not complete, but better understanding. Granted, I expect a lot of people in this situation would be more likely to give up on the game rather than research it, but then again I started with ME2 and a lot of people had ME3 as their first game.

 

While all of the above, might not be strong enough arguments for the return of Inky as protagonist, I hope this at least could mean that in DA4, BioWare would assume that new people would just have to catch up (it will be the 4th game in the very story heavy series...), and so decisions like Drinking from the Well and Lavellan + Solas will have - greater - input on the story and will be developed further.

 

I don't know if this makes any sense at all...

 

I see that that "I hope we can knifemurder him" type of posts, and the "Solas must die" type of threads are sprouting everywhere on the forum, this thread included.

Maybe it's time to leave BSN forever.

 

Noooooooo! Don't go! Peeps will come down eventually and we need more people on this thread who can discuss his character in a polite and respectful manner all facets of his character! 

 

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Here are some of Cole's quotes that I think may relate to Solas or the Elvhen times:

 

And these ones are interesting as well.. Could a blue rose be lyrium? Maybe they're just movie references.

 

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So he killed Felassan because Felassan started seeing Briala as 'real' and so Felassan could no longer be 100% behind 'let's destroy the whole world and bring back veil plan' in Fen'Harel's opinion - do I understand this correctly?... Seeing Briala as 'real' was a betrayal? And then Solas saw Lavellan as 'real'? *sad ironic 'huh'* He better be super sad about killing the Best Elf.   I still don't understand this situation 100%....

 

[drosophila]

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You just reminded me that he was ready to tell her everything before breaking up with her. This is hitting me hard, harder that it did when Patrick admitted in that interview that Solas was going to confess. Now that we know everything and we learned his nasty plan, now that we know Lavellan doesn't have the choice of following him into the mirror...

 

This gives me one of those "hopless hope" feelings, like when you're watching a movie you've already seen 10 times but you ALWAYS hope for it to change magically and end in another way, in a happier way. Like I dunno, you hope the Titanic won't hit the iceberg and Jack and Rose will get married and live happily ever after. 

 

Now I'm going to go through the game hoping he will tell her everything and she'll have the time to figure something out to help him/stop him, knowing it will end tragically in any way. Ouch.

 

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Yes, this must be the saddest love story ever. I challenge you to find me a sadder one!

 

But you know what that means? For Lavellan to go through all this and still believe in him, still believe there's a chance to turn him away from his path, and keep fighting for him and for the world, she must be the toughest chick in existence. 

 

Ancient elves? Pfft. Solas, one of the most incredible people is standing right next to you. 

 

And the saddest part is he probably knows that.

[AllThatJazz]

Regarding the How and why bits, I dunno if it has to be spoilered since its not directly tied to the dlc or anything, but just in case:

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What if the creation of the veil sundered the ancient elves from themselves. Not just their puffed up god-like ones, but the nobility as well. Their spirits became caught up and trapped in the fade and their bodies fell, sleeping. It's been mentioned that a spirit loses its purpose when it is forcibly pulled through the veil. Might this have happened to them? Did they forget what they are? Who they used to be? As the veil grows weaker, and gets damaged more and more by the mages seeking power all over the world, maybe the gap between body, mind, and spirit is closing up for the ancients. They're starting to remember who they are and what happened, but they're also still asleep.

 

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If this is true, could it be that Wisdom was once an Elf, and friends with Solas before the Veil, and then she forgot herself and became a spirit with a singular nature? Because  

[drosophila]

Well the Lavellan that I finished Trespasser yesterday not only drank from the well (hardest decision ever) but also kept her vallaslin. Ironically that vallaslin is dedicated to Dirthamen aka Keeper of Secrets. 

 

My Lavellan did all these things too! Hail Dirthamen!

 

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I refuse to believe Dirthamen could be bad. I'm sure Dirthamen was a great person deep inside. I will not give up on Dirthamen and the pantheon sex parties.

 

How about we try to reform not only the Dread Wolf but the evanuris as well in DA4? Bring the entire pantheon together so that they can be friends. Go big or go home?

[Eurowande]

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Yes, this must be the saddest love story ever. I challenge you to find me a sadder one!

 

But you know what that means? For Lavellan to go through all this and still believe in him, still believe there's a chance to turn him away from his path, and keep fighting for him and for the world, she must be the toughest chick in existence. 

 

Ancient elves? Pfft. Solas, one of the most incredible people is standing right next to you. 

 

And the saddest part is he probably knows that.

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oh im sure he knows that, thats why he loves her, and for him not loving anyone else so much before speak volumes ( i do believe he never love anyone else before, i just see him as someone whos love is for forever  )

[Delphine]

Can someone confirm to me that

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everywhere we see Solas being depicted, he's always bald? On every Trespasser's murals talking about him, or elven sculptures that might look like him? I'd love to have access to a masterpost of Trespasser's murals.