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[Brass_Buckles]

Hmmm.  Was just thinking, with Solas wandering the world, if word of Fen'Harel gets out... I wonder if he'll rise up again as a "good" deity, as he seems to have possibly been considered early on?

 

Or... bear with me for another theory.

 

Fen'Harel is represented by both a black and a white wolf.   Could this represent the duality of nature that we saw when we encountered the Lady of the Forest/Witherfang in Dragon Age: Origins?  Maybe when we say he's the god of rebellion we're looking at it wrong.  He didn't seem to originally have that title.  The codex entry suggests that maybe he had a different name before.

 

Maybe Solas was originally more associated with nature?

 

Also, still uncertain why he is specifically represented as a wolf.  Do wolves have a special meaning to him?  Can he take the form of a wolf?  Does he often appear as a wolf in the Fade?

 

Other things to think about in terms of black/white duality:  Not just good/evil, but night/day, the Fade/Reality, physical/spirit, life/death.  The key to understanding Solas may be understanding what the duality of his emblem represents.

 

Someone mentioned they thought Solas might be Falon'din.  What if Fen'Harel is what happened when Dirthamen and Falon'din became not just two entities who were always close, but merged into one soul within one being?

[Eivuwan]

If Solas' plan is really to

Spoiler

bring down the veil, it is probably a horrible idea. People in his time might have been used to living with spirits, but people now definitely aren't. The sudden change would probably be harmful to both people AND spirits. I think I will see a lot more abominations then a Wynne type of situation.

[BubbleDncr]

If Solas' plan is really to

Spoiler

bring down the veil, it is probably a horrible idea. People in his time might have been used to living with spirits, but people now definitely aren't. The sudden change would probably be harmful to both people AND spirits. I think I will see a lot more abominations then a Wynne type of situation.

 

Meh. I could be talked into it. If that's how the world originally was, then that's how the world is meant to be, right? So it can't be bad. Right?

 

Especially if it means Solas won't leave me....

 

And we pretty much already know he's gonna succeed...

[Eivuwan]

Hmmm.  Was just thinking, with Solas wandering the world, if word of Fen'Harel gets out... I wonder if he'll rise up again as a "good" deity, as he seems to have possibly been considered early on?

 

Or... bear with me for another theory.

 

Fen'Harel is represented by both a black and a white wolf.   Could this represent the duality of nature that we saw when we encountered the Lady of the Forest/Witherfang in Dragon Age: Origins?  Maybe when we say he's the god of rebellion we're looking at it wrong.  He didn't seem to originally have that title.  The codex entry suggests that maybe he had a different name before.

 

Maybe Solas was originally more associated with nature?

 

Also, still uncertain why he is specifically represented as a wolf.  Do wolves have a special meaning to him?  Can he take the form of a wolf?  Does he often appear as a wolf in the Fade?

 

Other things to think about in terms of black/white duality:  Not just good/evil, but night/day, the Fade/Reality, physical/spirit, life/death.  The key to understanding Solas may be understanding what the duality of his emblem represents.

 

Someone mentioned they thought Solas might be Falon'din.  What if Fen'Harel is what happened when Dirthamen and Falon'din became not just two entities who were always close, but merged into one soul within one being?

 

To me it just reminds me that he's a contradiction. He preaches thinking in shades of grey, but behaves in extremes.

[Seregwen]

Soooo.  I wanted a make a playthrough with a Solavellan who can't bugger off at the end, but.... this is not going well.  

 

 

This is a disaster.   Someone with better tweaking skills than I have is going to have to take up the torch here. 

 

I found this? Maybe this person knows what they did, if looking like Solas is your goal?

 

[Eivuwan]

Meh. I could be talked into it. If that's how the world originally was, then that's how the world is meant to be, right? So it can't be bad. Right?

 

Especially if it means Solas won't leave me....

 

And we pretty much already know he's gonna succeed...

 

I am torn. If we have to make such a choice as to oppose his shitty plan or stick with him in hopes that it would work. I don't know which I would choose. We probably won't know the consequences until the next game too. I think it's just going to depend on my mood that day lol or whether I'm thinking with my head or lower parts. haha

[Renmiri1]

Wait. Alastair meets his kid!?  I need to change the keep!!

How ???

[Brass_Buckles]

I agree, I don't think Corypheus is lying about the city already being black (why did Dumat want him to go there, anyway?), and I think you're right that the "seat of the Maker" does not actually grant godhood. There's still a lot of mystery surrounding the Gold/Black City, and I think it's probably tied up with the Taint/ Blights, Old and Elven gods, and Dwarven history (so lyrium is probably involved, too). I wonder if Solas knows more about it, or if was still a mystery even in his time.

 

Solas remembers a time before the Veil.  The Fade as we know it did not exist then.  Could the Black City/Golden City predate the Fade?  Sure it could.  But unless Solas is willing to reveal oodles of secrets to us, we may not know for a very long time.  If ever.

 

Isn't Solas quite firmly against any kind of spirit binding?

 

I'm pretty sure he's not entirely against it.  He doesn't mind an elven Inquisitor being a knight enchanter, and they bind spirits to their blades.  I doubt he'd have a problem with a spirit joining a willing mortal host, either.

 

If Solas' plan is really to

Spoiler

bring down the veil, it is probably a horrible idea. People in his time might have been used to living with spirits, but people now definitely aren't. The sudden change would probably be harmful to both people AND spirits. I think I will see a lot more abominations then a Wynne type of situation.

 

I don't believe that's his plan.  I think he does know it would be a disaster--he misses the way it was, but recognizes that due to the nature of spirits, undoing the Veil would cause many of them to be corrupted.  It would hurt them.

[Renmiri1]

 

Lyrics fit a sad Solas to a T

[Sable Rhapsody]

I am torn. If we have to make such a choice as to oppose his shitty plan or stick with him in hopes that it would work. I don't know which I would choose. We probably won't know the consequences until the next game too. I think it's just going to depend on my mood that day lol or whether I'm thinking with my head or lower parts. haha

 

As much as I adore Solas and want a happy ending for him and my Lavellan, I know she would oppose any extreme plan.  She believes in moving the world forward, and she didn't join the Inquisition and eventually lead it to restore the elven gods or bring down the Veil or whatever.  She did it to help people who were caught between mages and templars, or trapped in Corypheus' path.  She wants a better world for everyone, not just Solas or the elves or the Inquisition.  And she knows that a better world won't come through force, or for that matter forcing people to change.

[Eivuwan]

I don't believe that's his plan.  I think he does know it would be a disaster--he misses the way it was, but recognizes that due to the nature of spirits, undoing the Veil would cause many of them to be corrupted.  It would hurt them.

 

Well, it's usually this theory or the releasing the elven gods theory. There were clues that it could be either one, but at the same time neither really makes sense.

[Birdy]

How ???

Lol. It's your dialogue you posted. I'm only guessing that's Morrigan and Alistair talking.  

[Brass_Buckles]

To me it just reminds me that he's a contradiction. He preaches thinking in shades of grey, but behaves in extremes.

 

Could be.  Wolves are normally grey (though in DAI they are all black).  Both black and white wolves are unusual.

 

Still, I can't help thinking there's something more to it.  We're missing something.  It's his symbol, and we aren't getting it.

 

Also I still want to know if he can turn into a wolf, since he's always portrayed as one.  Mythal becomes a dragon.  Falon'din was represented by an owl.

 

All the elven gods are secretly animagi from Harry Potter.  That explains it.

[Dr. Doctor]

Solas contradicts himself quite often. I think they did that on purpose to make it difficult for us to guess his intentions. It does seem like he's a snob who think it's better to have a benevolent dictator than other types of governments.

To be fair, judging from what we've seen, Arlathan might have been ruled by something of a benevolent dictatorship with Elgar'nan as leader or the whole Pantheon serving as an oligarchy. Considering that his last attempt at "doing the right thing" resulted in the destruction of his civilization and the loss of his people's cultural identity he doesn't know what's best.

I like to imagine Bull takes Lavellan to get smashed after the breakup.
 
I also like to imagine that Solas hears all about it from Cole later.

Cole: The world is dulled, diluted, dampened, the sounds of the falling water that night are diminished, not dead. Burning in her throat, "May the Dread Wolf take that-"

Solas: That's enough Cole.

[SamanthaJ]

I'm pretty sure he's not entirely against it.  He doesn't mind an elven Inquisitor being a knight enchanter, and they bind spirits to their blades.  I doubt he'd have a problem with a spirit joining a willing mortal host, either.

Maybe, but he was pretty adamant about not binding Cole.

[BubbleDncr]

I am torn. If we have to make such a choice as to oppose his shitty plan or stick with him in hopes that it would work. I don't know which I would choose. We probably won't know the consequences until the next game too. I think it's just going to depend on my mood that day lol or whether I'm thinking with my head or lower parts. haha

 

I stuck with Anders through his shitty plan, might as well stick with Solas through his. 

[Eivuwan]

Cole: The world is dulled, diluted, dampened, the sounds of the falling water that night are diminished, not dead. Burning in her throat, "May the Dread Wolf take that-"

Solas: That's enough Cole.

 

Omg they have to put this in the game. Guarded Solas reveals all his cards through Cole. I want to hear his dirty thoughts lmao.

[BubbleDncr]

To be fair, judging from what we've seen, Arlathan might have been ruled by something of a benevolent dictatorship with Elgar'nan as leader or the whole Pantheon serving as an oligarchy. Considering that his last attempt at "doing the right thing" resulted in the destruction of his civilization and the loss of his people's cultural identity he doesn't know what's best.


Cole: The world is dulled, diluted, dampened, the sounds of the falling water that night are diminished, not dead. Burning in her throat, "May the Dread Wolf take that-"

Solas: That's enough Cole.

 

It just so happened that I triggered the scene where you get drunk with Iron Bull about dragons right after the breakup scene. So I don't even need to headcannon it. 

[Brass_Buckles]

Well, it's usually this theory or the releasing the elven gods theory. There were clues that it could be either one, but at the same time neither really makes sense.

 

It could be by doing one, he does the other.  I could foresee him having to drop the Veil to free the gods, having lost his orb.  Likewise I could see some kind of accident happening when he tried to free the gods, which caused the Veil to be destroyed.

 

I don't know if we'll see ANY of this in DLC.  Maybe in books?  Either way... if there's any interference with his plans, i.e. the Inquisitor gets involved and causes those elven artifacts to break, etc., then, well... maybe his plan would work fine, but someone (us?) interferes.

 

I don't know if prophecy in Thedas can be avoided, but in many lores it can, if you know the prophecy and what it means--or even, not knowing, if you take a different course of action.  But if the Veil does come down, well... things are going to get super-weird in the next game or two.

 

I wonder if the Dragon Age series is ultimately going to end with the end of the world because of all the weird crap that's happened?  Everyone keeps thinking it's the end of the world--well keep it up with the weird stuff and it surely could be!

[Renmiri1]

Lol. It's your dialogue you posted. I'm only guessing that's Morrigan and Alistair talking.  

Wow I missed that!!

 

[Sable Rhapsody]

I stuck with Anders through his shitty plan, might as well stick with Solas through his. 

 

I did that and wound up with a Villain Protagonist who redeemed herself via heroic sacrifice in DA:I.  Oh, and fountains of tears, that too.

 

Not sure if I wanna go through that with my Lavellan. 

[Renmiri1]

I stuck with Anders through his shitty plan, might as well stick with Solas through his. 

Same here, my PC would do anything for love, ofc in RL I'd tell him to stop

[BubbleDncr]

Wow I missed that!!

 

 

I believe (read this on another thread) it comes up if you do winter palace before you do the grey warden quest, and Alistair was left as a warden in DA:O. 

 

Sadly, I don't have a single playthrough where that happened. Guess I'll have to make on up on the keep. 

[Eivuwan]

It could be by doing one, he does the other.  I could foresee him having to drop the Veil to free the gods, having lost his orb.  Likewise I could see some kind of accident happening when he tried to free the gods, which caused the Veil to be destroyed.

 

I don't know if we'll see ANY of this in DLC.  Maybe in books?  Either way... if there's any interference with his plans, i.e. the Inquisitor gets involved and causes those elven artifacts to break, etc., then, well... maybe his plan would work fine, but someone (us?) interferes.

 

I don't know if prophecy in Thedas can be avoided, but in many lores it can, if you know the prophecy and what it means--or even, not knowing, if you take a different course of action.  But if the Veil does come down, well... things are going to get super-weird in the next game or two.

 

I wonder if the Dragon Age series is ultimately going to end with the end of the world because of all the weird crap that's happened?  Everyone keeps thinking it's the end of the world--well keep it up with the weird stuff and it surely could be!

 

I mean it wouldn't make sense for him to do either. He contradicts himself a lot. He seems to want to restore the past, but also seems to believe that the past was awful.

[BubbleDncr]

I did that and wound up with a Villain Protagonist who redeemed herself via heroic sacrifice in DA:I.  Oh, and fountains of tears, that too.

 

Not sure if I wanna go through that with my Lavellan. 

 

I didn't interpret my Hawke as a villain. How'd you end up with that?

 

And I just let Stroud die. No one cares about Stroud. He wouldn't even finish his sentences during my playthrough. King of awkward silences.