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[Chari]

I can't stop listening to my music tracks list and feeling like 30% of it fits Solas romance. Let Her Go, Immortals, Alone Together, Far Away... geez

[Avejajed]

Maybe he just likes boobies?

 

In other news I'm back at work after spending legitimately like five hours last night looking for freaking Venatori Tomes and I FOUND THEMMMMMMMMMMMMM.

 

My current run is not an elf but a human mage and Solas does mention Rift Mage to me when I spoke to him after I got it. He says my magic is like his but his took him years to learn. Cole also commented on it. Those are the only two so far.

[LilyasAvalon]

i still call bullshit to the whole Solas/Cullen were added last minute thing.

 

Cullen has been CONSTANTLY requested since Origins, and they know it. With Solas' big reveal at the end as well, there's no way they didn't consider making him romancable either. It was the PR team covering their asses on why they were race and gender gated.

 

It's a real shame that Solas was gender gated though, have you seen his VA on the show? Oh mama....

[Avejajed]

I can't stop listening to my music tracks list and feeling like 30% of it fits Solas romance. Let Her Go, Immortals, Alone Together, Far Away... geez

 

I think I'm going to try to make a really complete Solas playlist on spotify and we can link it to Pweekes.

 

I wonder what Gaider thinks about not being the one everyone's complaining about with the tragic romances lol. He's probably like "****, I should have killed off Dorian."

[Mims]

i still call bullshit to the whole Solas/Cullen were added last minute thing.

 

Cullen has been CONSTANTLY requested since Origins, and they know it. With Solas' big reveal at the end as well, there's no way they didn't consider making him romancable either. It was the PR team covering their asses on why they were race and gender gated.

 

It's a real shame that Solas was gender gated though, have you seen his VA on the show? Oh mama....

 

Cullen was somewhat controversial with the writers though, wasn't he? I kind of remember one of them being a bit against it. 

[SheWildWolf]

I have some questions regarding the Solas romance and story. Forgive me if these have been asked and answered already but I'd rather not scour through 1200+ pages. 

 

I just finished my first full playthrough with my my human mage and today I intend to start my elf, either mage or archer, depending. 

 

 

Spoilers following, if you have not finished the main story, I would not click the tab!

 

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My questions are regarding the Temple of Mythal, the Well of Sorrows, and the options regarding Flemeth in the fade. On my human, I did follow all the rituals in the Temple of Mythal leading up to the Well of Sorrows, but even though I had the option to drink from it, I allowed Morrigan to do it. In the fade, when encountering Flemeth, I talked to her rather than "Attack". Morrigan did have an old god baby with Alistair in my Origins playthrough, not sure if that is significant here, but thought I would throw that in, since it was her that became the dragon.

 

Anyway, what I'm wondering is this. Does the romance and story of Solas vary at all depending on what happens at the Well? Like if you drink from it and are then 'bound' to Mythal/Flemeth as Morrigan was, will this change the ending story for the conversation with Solas? Also, in the Fade, will it change the options in the conversation with Flemeth?

 

What I really want to know is, for all you Solas addicts out there, and without spoiling too much of his romance for me, what do you believe are the 'Best' choices to make in order to get the full impact, even if it's heartwrenching, of his romance and story?

 

 

Thanks for any help.

[kalasaurus]

As far as for why Solas isn't bi, I have the following theories in no particular order:

 

- Budget. Solas and Cullen were added towards the end, and it was simply easier to record only one line of dialogue.

- Solas does not actually appear to be a 'god' in the sense that he is beyond gender and sexual preferences. Limiting his options also shines doubt on how truly godlike he is.

- Worst case: they know the romance is doomed, and want to limit the pool of people getting broadsided by it. 

- All elves have been bisexual at this point, perhaps they didn't want to continue to play up this fact.

- Pregnancy plot may have been once considered, then scrapped.

- Solas is an arrogant **** who wants one true pureblooded waifu.

 

If I had to guess, a mixture of budget and worst case scenario. We already lack the same amount of scenes as other romance characters do, so I would side with the budget one. 

 

Edit: In fact, can a non female-Lavellan even flirt with him? If they can't, then I think that's our answer. [Budget]

 

No, I don't think they can, though I have't actually played the game as a non female-Lavellan 

 

I think a scene like this for Solas would be good...

(that video makes me laugh...)

 

I hope it isn't the worst-case scenario- that brings out my inner nihilist.

[LilyasAvalon]

Cullen was somewhat controversial with the writers though, wasn't he? I kind of remember one of them being a bit against it. 

 

There were... issues concerning him and his original writer. She made a comment that insinuated a fantasy of Cullen raping a female Mage PC. But in my opinion it was blown out of proportion. Be perfectly honest, how many Cullen smut fics are out there that are like that?

[nightwolf667]

 

I might be opening a can of worms by asking this (not sure if this has been asked before), but what are your opinions on Bioware making Solas straight? I ask this because I've seen people complaining (on Tumblr mainly) on how there's no reason for Solas to be straight. Aside from the possibility that Bioware probably had limited resources, I'm not sure how Solas being a straight man should be a problem. (I mean, maybe he just likes women? It happens.) I don't hear people complaining on how Blackwall and Cullen are straight but maybe it's because they're not really under my radar.

 

I mean, I loooove the Solas romance, and it works well as it is but I just want to know what you guys think if a male Lavellan was able to romance him?

 

 

Can of worms? More like...

 

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I think what frustrates me most about Solas in regards to plot and lore is that they he could have copped to what he was and hidden who he was. A lie works best when it's sprinkled with truth. It would have given him room to get out the exposition that the game, frankly, really needs and blideside the player with the later reveal. Trade one big secret to hide another, satisfy curiosity and initial suspicion of "something's not right" with an answer that explains it without giving away the whole story. If he's an Ancient Elf, then it's easier to swallow his lies. He could say anything he wanted and we'd have no tools to figure out whether any of it was true. (The player gets to know him and he finally cops to it.) This gives us a venue to talk about the Ancient Elves (who are incredibly relevant to the plot but sort of come out of nowhere right there at the end, the whole of the exposition past games has been magisters, magisters, black city, magisters, magisters, so to pull a switch like that you need a lot of build up. My eternal frustration with Bioware is probably that their story needs to be able function without "required reading". Who here knew that the city of Kirkwall was a blood engine created by the Ancient magisters in order to gain enough power to crack open the Fade and enter the Black City? The Veil is thin there, but your never told why and you never do any investigation to find out other than the easily missed codex collection quest "The Band of Three".)

 

The fact that he was an ancient elf, the fact that the vallaslin information is hidden in a romance arc specifically for only female elves who romanced him is a problem, though not in regards to his sexuality but in the way they chose to present information to the player. The way he's presented in game, by the third conversation at Haven I suspected he was like Flemeth when I met him (hilarious in hindsight).  As it is, he's evasive and his "suppositions" are just truth, but you're not really allowed to pursue him for more information beyond what he wants to give away or scratch the itch that something is not right.

 

Whether he's straight or bi, the setting relevant lore should not be locked away in romance arcs. He should be able to tell any Dalish elf about the vallaslin because they deserve to know, even if he only offers to remove it if he's romanced.

 

That said, I understand not wanting a repeat of Javik.

[scintilla]

I have some questions regarding the Solas romance and story. Forgive me if these have been asked and answered already but I'd rather not scour through 1200+ pages. 

 

I just finished my first full playthrough with my my human mage and today I intend to start my elf, either mage or archer, depending. 

 

 

Spoilers following, if you have not finished the main story, I would not click the tab!

 

Spoiler

 

My questions are regarding the Temple of Mythal, the Well of Sorrows, and the options regarding Flemeth in the fade. On my human, I did follow all the rituals in the Temple of Mythal leading up to the Well of Sorrows, but even though I had the option to drink from it, I allowed Morrigan to do it. In the fade, when encountering Flemeth, I talked to her rather than "Attack". Morrigan did have an old god baby with Alistair in my Origins playthrough, not sure if that is significant here, but thought I would throw that in, since it was her that became the dragon.

 

Anyway, what I'm wondering is this. Does the romance and story of Solas vary at all depending on what happens at the Well? Like if you drink from it and are then 'bound' to Mythal/Flemeth as Morrigan was, will this change the ending story for the conversation with Solas? Also, in the Fade, will it change the options in the conversation with Flemeth?

 

What I really want to know is, for all you Solas addicts out there, and without spoiling too much of his romance for me, what do you believe are the 'Best' choices to make in order to get the full impact, even if it's heartwrenching, of his romance and story?

 

 

Thanks for any help.

 

There is no significant impact.

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He yells at you if you drink from the Well though, so that adds a little drama. He claims to have begged you not to but apparently his writer didn't actually include that in his dialogue so it's just weird.

[Reinara]

Nope, you can't even flirt with him as anything other than a female Lavellan. I've played a Lady Qunari, an m!Lavellan and a f!Trevalyan so far and f!Lavellan is the only one who gets those flirt options with him to pop up, unlike the other love interests (you can basically flirt with Cullen until he turns you down in Haven, Sera shuts you down in the first convo with her if you flirt as a dude, Dorian stops after his side quest, Cassandra you can flirt all the way to the end but you never get the romantic side quests/she never takes the flirting seriously.) The only other love interest whose flirt option doesn't pop up is Blackwall if you're playing a dude, so I guess that's one aspect that's unique for the Solavellanmance.

[LilyasAvalon]

 

I might be opening a can of worms by asking this (not sure if this has been asked before), but what are your opinions on Bioware making Solas straight? I ask this because I've seen people complaining (on Tumblr mainly) on how there's no reason for Solas to be straight. Aside from the possibility that Bioware probably had limited resources, I'm not sure how Solas being a straight man should be a problem. (I mean, maybe he just likes women? It happens.) I don't hear people complaining on how Blackwall and Cullen are straight but maybe it's because they're not really under my radar.

 

I mean, I loooove the Solas romance, and it works well as it is but I just want to know what you guys think if a male Lavellan was able to romance him?

 

 

I'd be perfectly happy for a male Lavellan being able to romance Solas, and to be honest, after seeing his romance in action (which I'm not going to lie, I didn't expect to be THAT heartwrenching), I'm more than a little peeved he isn't. I've seen his VA on Torchwood and Maker have mercy, we know it wasn't an issue with the VA. Maybe Solas just is straight.

 

I'm female and bisexual though, this issue doesn't effect me as much as someone who would/could be effected.

[SS7]

The vallaslin scene was replacement for the love scene. And while it may have included information, that information is in no way plot-changing (so far), and in no way can we say for sure it won't be revealed to everyone/anyone else in the future. I dunno, I may be among the small few that feel Solas is fine as he is. Budget may have had something to do with it, but there's also the possibility the writer didn't conceive him as bisexual, and that's perfectly fine, isn't it? 

[TheComfyCat]

Cullen was somewhat controversial with the writers though, wasn't he? I kind of remember one of them being a bit against it. 

 

I will always remember that one time David Gaider talked about writing a Cullen romance. Of course, this was based on his DA:O appearance. (This still cracks me up)

 

 

If I wrote a Cullen "romance" it'd have to be creepy as hell.


Cullen: I just want you to know... I love you.
PC: I love you, too.
Cullen: No, no... I REALLY love you!
PC: Er... and I love you, too.
Cullen: You don't understand! I think about you all the time, every waking moment! I look at you and I... I want to touch your skin! I want to brush your hair!
PC: I don't...
Cullen: Ever since I saw you in the mage tower I wanted to protect you. Keep you somewhere safe. FOREVER.
PC: ...
PC: ...awkward.

[Mims]

It feels like a matter of budget then. I guess as a straight female I can't really comment on what the 'right' thing to do is, but if the writer believed he had extremely specific tastes, I'm inclined to support it. Solas is a somewhat flawed guy, and he does have an undercurrent of arrogance to him. It just doesn't really surprise me that he's the most limited romance option bioware has probably ever done. 

 

That said- I do think it would have been nice if he would talk more about lore to friend Lavellan regardless of gender. Probably also a matter of budget, but some of that information seems fairly crucial. And also the ability to flirt with him. I would love to see what he would say about a male flirting with him, or a female human. 

[CapricornSun]

Thanks, everyone for replying! Yes, it does suck that male Lavellans and female Lavellans who don't romance Solas don't gain access to a lot of info regarding their heritage unless you're a female Lavellan in a romance with him. My sister who played a female Lavellan in a romance with Blackwall only found out about the vallaslin being slave markings through Cory's taunting. I wonder why Bioware chose to lock away valuable information such as the truth behind the vallaslin behind the romance arc?    *sigh* Oh well....

 

 

And just so I could contribute to adding some Solas x Lavellan related music, I was listening to Final Fantasy X-2's "1000 Words" on the way home from work today and immediately thought of them. 

 

 

Lyrics:

 

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Final Fantasy X-2 1000 Words Lyric - English

 

Vocals: Jade from Sweetbox

 

I know that you're hiding things

Using gentle words to shelter me

Your words were like a dream

But dreams could never fool me

Not that easily

 

I acted so distant then

Didn't say goodbye before you left

But I was listening

You'll fight your battles far from me

Far too easily

 

"Save your tears cause I'll come back"

I could hear that you whispered as you walked through that door

But still I swore

To hide the pain when I turn back the pages

Shouting might have been the answer

What if I'd cried my eyes out and begged you not to depart

But now I'm not afraid to say what's in my heart

 

Though a thousand words

Have never been spoken

They'll fly to you

Crossing over the time and distance holding you

Suspended on silver wings

 

And a thousand words

One thousand confessions

Will cradle you

Making all of the pain you feel seem far away

They'll hold you forever

 

The dream isn't over yet

Though I often say I can't forget

I still relive that day

"You've been there with me all the way"

I still hear you say

 

"Wait for me I'll write you letters"

I could see how you stammered with your eyes to the floor

But still I swore to hide the doubt

When I turn back the pages

Anger might have been the answer

What if I'd hung my head and said that I couldn't wait

But now I'm strong enough to know it's not too late

 

Cause a thousand words

Call out through the ages

They'll fly to you

Even though we can't see I know they're reaching you

Suspended on silver wings

 

Oh a thousand words

One thousand embraces

Will cradle you

Making all of your weary days seem far away

They'll hold you forever

 

Oh a thousand words

Have never been spoken

They'll fly to you

They'll carry you home and back into my arms

Suspended on silver wings ohhh

 

And a thousand words

Call out through the ages

They'll cradle you

Turning all of the lonely years to only days

They'll hold you forever

[Tielis]

I'm afraid my tumblr is very largely unrelated to dragon age, but if we're sharing then here's mine.

 

Many pages ago I recall someone mentioning they wondered what a Fen'Harel vallaslin would look like. I think it's unlikely for him to have one in canon since he abhors slavery, so I did a quick doodle of what I imagine it'd look like if it existed. I was feelin' creative.

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That almost looks like the Dalish concept from DAO, which I used via a mod.

 

http://www.nexusmods...age/mods/4016/?

 

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[Tielis]

This my have been covered but... I've been thinking about the elven artifacts and their functions. They give you XP, Solas approval, and a bit of influence. Three wonderful side benefits.

 

The nature of the artifacts is curious, though. Solas claims they strengthen the veil, and I'm sure that's what they do when they are activated by the Inquisitor (perhaps there are other effects, too... various other effects, you can imagine), but I say they may have other functions because a demon, the Highest One, was sealed in an elven artifact. It can't be activated after defeating him. It's also in the Lost Temple of Dirthamen, if any of you would like to take a look. And it'd be another indicator to Lavellan, or any other Inquisitor, that there's something up with Solas, 'cause hey, there's an elven artifact!but what--a demon was sealed inside???? i thought they only strengthened the veil

 

of course, none of this matters if the artifact was put there just to look pretty

 

I had a thought when I woke up this morning about Solas' new plan.  I think it has something to do with the darkspawn taint.  Maybe the elven gods are tainted and he's trying to cure them?

 

I still think that, whatever he's trying to do, those artifacts are powering it.

[LilyasAvalon]

 

Thanks, everyone for replying! Yes, it does suck that male Lavellans and female Lavellans who don't romance Solas don't gain access to a lot of info regarding their heritage unless you're a female Lavellan in a romance with him. My sister who played a female Lavellan in a romance with Blackwall only found out about the vallaslin being slave markings through Cory's taunting. I wonder why Bioware chose to lock away valuable information such as the truth behind the vallaslin behind the romance arc?    *sigh* Oh well....

 

Probably because it makes it THAT much worse. You loved and trusted this guy and he just told you, because he loved you, that the markings you assumed were the worship of your Gods are slave markings. Your people, your proud and wondrous people (or so you thought) were a bunch of slave owning assholes.

 

It stings in the best and worst possible way.

 

Solas is the only one who COULD know, aside from Cory, because ... well you know.

 

Also the elf from Masked Empire, but there's still speculation on what or who he really was as well.

[TheComfyCat]

It feels like a matter of budget then. I guess as a straight female I can't really comment on what the 'right' thing to do is, but if the writer believed he had extremely specific tastes, I'm inclined to support it. Solas is a somewhat flawed guy, and he does have an undercurrent of arrogance to him. It just doesn't really surprise me that he's the most limited romance option bioware has probably ever done. 

 

That said- I do think it would have been nice if he would talk more about lore to friend Lavellan regardless of gender. Probably also a matter of budget, but some of that information seems fairly crucial. And also the ability to flirt with him. I would love to see what he would say about a male flirting with him, or a female human. 

 

Yes, it would've been great to hear his response to flirts.

 

Trevelyan: I would enjoy helping you make new friends

Solas: .....

Solas: I think my spirit friends are sufficient.

[Arahnea]

Yeah I understand why they made Cullen such a sweet, awkward templar boy but part of me wishes he had ended up in a secretly twisted and abusive weirdo...It wouldn't be healthy but it would have been interesting from a storytelling perspective..

 

Edit: I mean,why should we have all the heartbreak. :'( I walked in on Cullen thread hearing people complain that they want a DLC because they didn't think their non-stop smooching option was enough!! I just want to yell "AT LEAST HE IS STILL THERE AND HE LOVES YOU!!!!"

[Addai]

I thought your analysis of him as INTP was a good one, though I suppose I could see him as INTJ as well. INTJ tend to come off as cold/ unfeeling/ distant, even if they actually feel strongly and are really invested in a relationship (though they usually don't get attached to most people). Though these are things that an INTJ can work on if they want to.

Well with only one trait difference, obviously the two types share a lot. Honestly reading the descriptions I still think he's an INTP, but it could go either way.

As for the romance, I thought people had learned from DA2- make the characters amorphous to please everybody, and they don't seem like real people, just bots in a dating sim. And it makes total sense why he wouldn't reveal what he knows just to any elf. He doesn't think it would be received well. It's an exclusive you earn by being close to the character. If people want to see it, they need to roll a female elf. Or there's YouTube. I probably won't see most of the romances with a PC, but I'm glad Bioware did it this way. Feels more authentic and less gamey.

[kalasaurus]

Yeah I understand why they made Cullen such a sweet, awkward templar boy but part of me wishes he had ended up in a secretly twisted and abusive weirdo...It wouldn't be healthy but it would have been interesting from a storytelling perspective..

 

To be fair, Cullen has his demons he must face in DA: I, he just tries really hard to keep it all inside.

 

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And he still experiences nightmares from them, as shown in his romance scene.

[Arahnea]

To be fair, Cullen has his demons he must face in DA: I, he just tries really hard to keep it all inside.

 

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And he still experiences nightmares from them, as shown in his romance scene.

True but he deals with them right? He never went as far as other Templars. Although I'm not sure if he behaves differently if your keep import states that he got to kill the mages and invoke the right of annulment?

[kalasaurus]

True but he deals with them right? He never went as far as other Templars. Although I'm not sure if he behaves differently if your keep import states that he got to kill the mages and invoke the right of annulment?

 

IIRC the decision to continue taking lyrium at least impacts his view on the mages (and maybe his romance, too?).  I had him stop, though, so I'm not sure.