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[Sashimi_taco]

So i'm listening to the podcast. Does Weekes ever cover any of the Solas theories?

[Eivuwan]

But what if the choice we face in the sequels is this?

 

Either kill Solas and stop him from his plans OR side with him, with the price of launching the world into chaos because his changes will be opposed by almost everyone.

 

We probably can't stop him from his plans or there's no DA4. I think what might happen is that we support him or if we don't support him, he will sacrifice his life to make his plan happen anyway. He just won't be around to control the outcome which could result in more chaos. If we support him, there could be negative consequences too. Maybe less chaos, but some of the results might not be good for Thedas and perhaps changing things back would be harder in a different way for the PC in the next game. That's interesting hmm. It could be the PC having a hard game because the world is so chaotic or the PC is having a hard game because the "villain" he has to fight against is so much more powerful and hard to kill because he has the inquisitor's support. Well, they probably won't do this because I can imagine this to be a ton of work.

[Ajna]

Well, I don't have any stake in this lol, but if they do find some, then things for Divine Cassandra and quizzy likely won't be too cheery either, and I'll end up having to make my Vivienne divine playthrough canon. So I suppose I'll be hopeful for the rest of you.

 

It's nice when other people who aren't invested are hopeful for us

[Mims]

I think the problem with Jacob is that the fandom wrote him off as a joke and bioware never cared to follow through. Everyone reacts badly to what happened to Jacob...but lets be honest, Jacob was basically a meme for most of ME2 as far as fans were concerned. I never disliked him, and I do think what happened with his romance was awful. But part of the reason was the lack of fan demand.

 

The unfortunate thing was that Jacob actually was the romance choice a lot of people new to the series picked. And the only non-alien for women in ME2. I think there were a lot of people who might not have been vocal about him that got hit with the backlash.

[Colonelkillabee]

It's nice when other people who aren't invested are hopeful for us

Don't think me a good guy just yet, I was enjoying the tears But, I'm a staunch believer in "What goes around comes around," so. I don't care what Bioware haters say about our fairytale romances, I like having an option for that honeypie ending. It's only bad when there's only one outcome in my opinion, which is why I appreciated Morrigan having a good ending and a bitter sweet one, and the latter is what my warden took.

[Addai]

But what if the choice we face in the sequels is this?
 
Either kill Solas and stop him from his plans OR side with him, with the price of launching the world into chaos because his changes will be opposed by almost everyone.

I'm one of those who actually thinks Solas could be right about the Veil. At this point it's too early to say, but my hope is simply that we're not railroaded into opposing him. The problem being that they're not going to let a major world-changing event be branching based on player choice- we all have to arrive at the same place eventually. That's why I think/hope that the "new world" Kieran talks about is something that's already happening to Thedas which Solas will try to shape, not that he alone is going to bring it about. Or else we have the option to mediate his plans and create a middle way that will allow even people who aren't "in it" (as Sera says) to also be able to help him. Basically that it be a more grey choice than just to stick a black hat on Solas and force our protagonists to either wear black or white. That would suck on multiple levels.

[zambixi]

But what if the choice we face in the sequels is this?

 

Either kill Solas and stop him from his plans OR side with him, with the price of launching the world into chaos because his changes will be opposed by almost everyone.

 

This would be the easiest decision for Solasmancers. Screw Thedas. Screw the humans that subjugated the elves for hundreds of years. Bow down to the Wolf Queen and King.

 

 

I followed you zam, I needed to favourite that tweet

 

Thanks! I hope Weekes saw it and thought "I want to favorite this but I can't reveal that there's actual hope for Solas in the future." A girl can dream right?

 

His story has been so sad all along. There's got to be something happy in it, right? Mordin had ME2 to be a character that was not all about sadness. Solas should get the chance too.

 

 

Always run off with the crazy apostate. Always.

 

He got his 30 seconds of happiness when he grabbed Lavellan's booty. Anders doesn't really get happiness though, unless you don't kill him I guess but we don't really get to see that. I'll take it though.

 

I'm not sure I actually dare buying and playing any DLC after this. I'm a pessimest, this cannot end well.

 

Just pop in a few hours after any DLC comes out and ask if it's OK to play. We'll let you know

[RebbyWriter]

I watched Inuyasha yesterday...had to be about freaking wolf demons. See an internet post about shaving your head. Then, if that wasn't enough. I was looking through my facebook feed and saw this "words we like" that I get from a page I'm subscribed to

 

 

I AM NOT TAKING THIS BREAKUP WELL, GUYS!

[dragondreamer]

The whole interview was really good, especially liked the Cole and Solas parts.  The bit about Solas running off with the best mage gear cracked me up (so true...).  And Maker and Creators...he was going to tell Lavellan the whole truth.     I dunno, every time Patrick says something, I get this sinking feeling they're not getting back together.  The starcrossed thing seems very...final.  But hey, banal nadas.

[scintilla]

He got his 30 seconds of happiness when he grabbed Lavellan's booty. Anders doesn't really get happiness though, unless you don't kill him I guess but we don't really get to see that. I'll take it though.

 

First,           . Second, would Awakening count for Anders getting some time to be a character that was not all about sad things?

[Ajna]

His story has been so sad all along. There's got to be something happy in it, right? Mordin had ME2 to be a character that was not all about sadness. Solas should get the chance too.

 

 

Always run off with the crazy apostate. Always.

 

You're doing good work!  GOOD WORK!  I'm so proud of you!

[SamanthaJ]

Guys I have finally caught up you're going to fast I need to contribute my feelings. <- This sentence has terrible punctuation.

 

[Roxy]

His story has been so sad all along. There's got to be something happy in it, right? Mordin had ME2 to be a character that was not all about sadness. Solas should get the chance too.

 

 

Always run off with the crazy apostate. Always.

 

It has that's why I think it is very possible to have a happy ending/good closure between Lavellan and Solas or Inquisitor and Solas my male Inquisitor wants his bro back,Solas tried to do good for a lot of people but his plan went south his name got smeared and he deserves something happy. It doesn't always have to end tragic or sad.

 

Btw @ Zambixi I am following you on Twitter.

[scintilla]

You're doing good work!  GOOD WORK!  I'm so proud of you!

 

[Eivuwan]

Man I just really love the characters and story parts of this game. It makes me sad that the feedback section is basically 99% negative although that is to be expected. I wrote one positive post in the hopes that it would balance things out a bit, but that post have very few views and no responses. It's sunk to the bottom now. I do hope that Bioware understands what we DO like about this game and not just the negatives. I feel like they took the feedback from DA2 a bit too hard and ended up going to the other extreme of an enormous world. I wish the effort put into the main story + an expansive world was more 50/50 instead of what feels like 25/75.

[Roxy]

 

 

Aaaw that's so cute, I love owls I have been trying to convince my Hubby to build a outside owl house for owls they are everywhere here in the south,but he wants to build one for bats lol.   

 

Okay that was off topic sorry. 

Modifié par Roxy, 31 décembre 2014 - 05:46 .

[NightSymphony]

*sniffles*  I knew it was real..I knew it!!

[Mims]

Man I just really love the characters and story parts of this game. It makes me sad that the feedback section is basically 99% negative although that is to be expected. I wrote one positive post in the hopes that it would balance things out a bit, but that post have very few views and no responses. It's sunk to the bottom now. I do hope that Bioware understands what we DO like about this game and not just the negatives. I feel like they took the feedback from DA2 a bit too hard and ended up going to the other extreme of an enormous world. I wish the effort put into the main story + an expansive world was more 50/50 instead of what feels like 25/75.

 

The feedback section is almost always awful. The fact that it is topping most of the game of the year charts [although admittedly, it didn't have much competition] is more than enough hype to ensure that it'll have a full DLC cycle. Presumably. 

[SamanthaJ]

I'm not giving up, though. Everything Patrick said doesn't have to be final. That's how it is right now. Solas is sad. His story is sad. He was this close to "betraying himself" and yeah, he changed his mind, but...

 

"You change everything."

 

"It changes everything, but it can't."

 

It still could, and if it can't it might not be as bad as it seems. A lot of Lavellans would be willing to pick up the pieces if that's what it comes down to.

[Sashimi_taco]

I thought I would bring up a fun point. 

 

A long time ago I was in class and we were anylizing fairy tales for historical and cultural significances. About how legends and fairy tales are pretty much the essence of social desires and values since they are passed down verbally, making it so they are changed a little bit each time to reflect what people want. 

 

So if you take older versions of Little Red Riding hood, they are very sexual. The newer ones still have the same overall story though. In the old one, Little Red semi seduced the wolf and the wolf is supposed to represent a woman's husband. The wolf being the carnal sexual part of the man, the woodsman being the fatherly caring part. Which is why the woodsman wears the skin of the wolf at the end. So that he is both. 

 

One of my favorite versions is when the wolf has already killed Red's grandmother and has her blood and flesh on the table. He tells Red to eat the meat and wine, and she does. This represents getting rid of and devouring older generations, because she doesn't need them anymore, she has the wolf/man. Then he tells her to burn her maiden's clothes and they get in bed together and have sex. She then wants to leave but he wont let her. So she says he has to pee, and he says no just pee in the bed (so like a guy). And she's like no I have to poo. So he ties a string to her ankle and lets her go outside. When she get's outside she ties the string to a Plumb tree and runs away. And when the wolf finds out he's very sad. 

 

I don't know where I was going with this but now you've heard this crazy fairy tale. 

[Nika]

Omg this just came on radio

 

I look at you
And time turns to fate
And you smile to that boy that thinks to much
I am broken in silence I, I adore you...
But I wait for you

Without those words that you fear most
And I breath out my name
So loud on to you
I'm loaded by you

And I'm broken by you...
I'm broken by you
I'm broken by you
I'm broken by you
I'm broken by you

The smile look a like
don't claim that you're better
I don't speak out

Without those words that you fear most
And I breath out my name, I would
So loud on to you, I could
I'm loaded by you

But I'm broken by you
I'm broken by you
I'm broken by you

Woah oooh oooh oooh

And still I'm losing you
In everything you do
I'm losing you

I'm broken by you
Broken by you
I'm broken by you
I'm broken by you

Oooh oooh oooh oooh

I'm broken by you...

 

AND LIKE WTF WHY NOW IT'S SO PERFECT BUT SAD

[BoscoBread]

Don't think me a good guy just yet, I was enjoying the tears But, I'm a staunch believer in "What goes around comes around," so. I don't care what Bioware haters say about our fairytale romances, I like having an option for that honeypie ending. It's only bad when there's only one outcome in my opinion, which is why I appreciated Morrigan having a good ending and a bitter sweet one, and the latter is what my warden took.

I didn't romance Cassandra, but I couldn't make her divine.  She was my bff and I selfishly need her with me AT. ALL. TIMES.  Her being angry at things makes my world brighter.  At least you get a choice.

[k_drake]

It has that's why I think it is very possible to have a happy ending/good closure between Lavellan and Solas or Inquisitor and Solas my male Inquisitor wants his bro back,Solas tried to do good for a lot of people but his plan went south his name got smeared and he deserves something happy. It doesn't always have to end tragic or sad.

 

Btw @ Zambixi I am following you on Twitter.

Solas tries to do a lot of good, but he is also essentially selfish.  Although he has been analogized to Judas, I would argue that he might (if we're going to stay in the realm of Judeo-Christian myth) have more in common with Lucifer.  The best and brightest of all the angels, Lucifer is still deeply unhappy with the status quo, of being subjugated to the will of another.  "Non serviam," he says.  After his fall, he is not contrite, only more determined, despite an increasing pile of evidence that indicates that while his motivation might be moral, he's going about achieving his goals the wrong way.  As far as we know, no plucky heroines (no matter how callipygous) have managed to penetrate that unrelenting pride and bring the devil back to grace.

Obviously, this metaphor extends only so far...Solas hasn't been twisted into something completely evil.  But I do think that in the 3rd scene, it shows him once again trying to exert his own will, instead of accepting what the world as it is has to offer.

[zambixi]

I'm one of those who actually thinks Solas could be right about the Veil. At this point it's too early to say, but my hope is simply that we're not railroaded into opposing him. The problem being that they're not going to let a major world-changing event be branching based on player choice- we all have to arrive at the same place eventually. That's why I think/hope that the "new world" Kieran talks about is something that's already happening to Thedas which Solas will try to shape, not that he alone is going to bring it about. Or else we have the option to mediate his plans and create a middle way that will allow even people who aren't "in it" (as Sera says) to also be able to help him. Basically that it be a more grey choice than just to stick a black hat on Solas and force our protagonists to either wear black or white. That would suck on multiple levels.

 

I wonder if it will be a lot like the genophage. One again, a character made a decision in the past based on events and circumstances that we as players have very limited knowledge of. The knee-jerk view is that those decisions are bad, because they would not be acceptable in the situation at hand, and because we're only privy to the resulting struggle. After listening to other accounts and amassing more evidence, the "bad" decision starts to seem less bad. Sure, one can still view the cost of the genophage as too high, and thus support Mordin 100% in curing it. You can adopt the approach that it was necessary, but with different circumstances it is no longer right to keep it in place. You can argue that the current circumstances mean it is still necessary, though it may not always be needed. Or you can believe that it is always necessary, and do everything in your power to stop Mordin from curing it. That's a pretty broad spectrum on how someone can feel and deal with the situation. I hope and pray we'll be able to act out a similar range of feelings in regards to Solas' actions.

[DragonRacer]

Oh my...

There are a few romance stories across media that stick forever with me, things so sad, lovely, or whatever, that I remember them years after.

I'll probably never forget those; right now it's 5. I told myself that maybe we were reading to much into the scene, maybe it all is not as bad as it looked... Now there's no way around it, and no matter how that will end, my heartbreaking romance list is up to 6 now.

 

How much he just loves Lavellan T_T

"Got him good" indeed!

 

Sh*t, I'll never be happy again.

 

I honestly feel guilty now, guys. Like, fully and totally guilty.

 

He puts up a resistance to the romance several times... says it will only be cruel for them both in the end... and we basically shoot all those objections down and force a romance on him.

 

AND THEN HE FALLS SO DEEPLY IN LOVE HE'S READY TO THROW EVERYTHING AWAY FOR IT. Only to have to stab himself in the heart and go on alone for whatever "reasons" he has.

 

I don't know why or how, but this sort of makes it worse now. I may be broken. Romancing him again in future playthroughs may just... not be an option for me. Knowing full well I'm forcing cruelty onto him (and me).

 

AND WHY DO I FEEL WORSE FOR HIM THAN MY OWN LAVELLAN???

 

*sobbing forever*