Solas hating tea was Patrick's own chance to justify his own personal dislike of tea. LMFAO
EDIT: The lore friendly reason is that caffeinated stuff makes it harder for Solas to cross into the Fade when he sleeps.
I thought that was obvious. Caffeine is a stimulant
I thought I would bring up a fun point.
A long time ago I was in class and we were anylizing fairy tales for historical and cultural significances. About how legends and fairy tales are pretty much the essence of social desires and values since they are passed down verbally, making it so they are changed a little bit each time to reflect what people want.
So if you take older versions of Little Red Riding hood, they are very sexual. The newer ones still have the same overall story though. In the old one, Little Red semi seduced the wolf and the wolf is supposed to represent a woman's husband. The wolf being the carnal sexual part of the man, the woodsman being the fatherly caring part. Which is why the woodsman wears the skin of the wolf at the end. So that he is both.
One of my favorite versions is when the wolf has already killed Red's grandmother and has her blood and flesh on the table. He tells Red to eat the meat and wine, and she does. This represents getting rid of and devouring older generations, because she doesn't need them anymore, she has the wolf/man. Then he tells her to burn her maiden's clothes and they get in bed together and have sex. She then wants to leave but he wont let her. So she says he has to pee, and he says no just pee in the bed (so like a guy). And she's like no I have to poo. So he ties a string to her ankle and lets her go outside. When she get's outside she ties the string to a Plumb tree and runs away. And when the wolf finds out he's very sad.
I don't know where I was going with this but now you've heard this crazy fairy tale.
So i'm listening to the podcast. Does Weekes ever cover any of the Solas theories?
You've probably already listened by now, but the only Solas theory they really touch on is whether Solas was always Fen'Harel or whether he's like Flemeth (as in an elf possessed by Fen'Harel). Weekes kinda dodged around that one. lol
I'm sure I'm not the only one..I am an emotional mess right now. hehehe *sniffles*
I thought that was obvious. Caffeine is a stimulant
*shrugs* It ain't a very good one, imo. I can drink coffee or tea or soda all day and still conk out whenever I need to. Maybe I just have a huge resistance. lol
I've also been thinking of other "trickster" characters in literature and how their stories might relate to Solas in terms of romantic outcome (b/c I am desperate for any kind of clue). So far: Things never seem to end well for Loki. Coyote (out of Native American legend) is kind of a mixed bag, but my impression is that things usually turn out poorly for him, too, b/c he has a penchant for women who are unavailable. Koschei (I mean the traditional character) is something of a trickster, too; I don't think he becomes involved with anyone. I recall that Raven (also from Native American legend) gets to marry his love interest, at least in the version I heard. Anansi has a wife and children, although I sort of feel sorry for them b/c he is just so incorrigible.
Is it a cruelty though? All we have is speculation, but presumably, the romance was worth it to him if he considered telling her everything and risking all that he had built. Whether you romance Solas or not, he is going to be unhappy. He carries a huge weight. For all we know, the romance with Lavellan is the first time in a very long while he's been able to emotionally connect with someone. For a few instances, maybe he was able to forget that crushing guilt and just pretend their relationship really was so simple. That seems worthwhile to me!
Not to mention, if Solas is on a path towards morally questionable ends, having someone to bind him to the here and now is important. He should be questioning whether or not his goals are worth it.
That said, I absolutely understand if people don't want to go through the drama of the romance. I just don't think we're hurting him by pursuing him. If anything, its the kind of hurt he should deal with. He doesn't exist in a godlike bubble.
But what if the choice we face in the sequels is this?
Either kill Solas and stop him from his plans OR side with him, with the price of launching the world into chaos because his changes will be opposed by almost everyone.
I honestly feel guilty now, guys. Like, fully and totally guilty.
He puts up a resistance to the romance several times... says it will only be cruel for them both in the end... and we basically shoot all those objections down and force a romance on him.
AND THEN HE FALLS SO DEEPLY IN LOVE HE'S READY TO THROW EVERYTHING AWAY FOR IT. Only to have to stab himself in the heart and go on alone for whatever "reasons" he has.
I don't know why or how, but this sort of makes it worse now. I may be broken. Romancing him again in future playthroughs may just... not be an option for me. Knowing full well I'm forcing cruelty onto him (and me).
AND WHY DO I FEEL WORSE FOR HIM THAN MY OWN LAVELLAN???
*sobbing forever*
I disagree. Nowhere has Lavellan forced a romance on him. He's just as willing and pushes for a romance as she does.
Man I just really love the characters and story parts of this game. It makes me sad that the feedback section is basically 99% negative although that is to be expected. I wrote one positive post in the hopes that it would balance things out a bit, but that post have very few views and no responses. It's sunk to the bottom now. I do hope that Bioware understands what we DO like about this game and not just the negatives. I feel like they took the feedback from DA2 a bit too hard and ended up going to the other extreme of an enormous world. I wish the effort put into the main story + an expansive world was more 50/50 instead of what feels like 25/75.
I don't even go into Feedback, since it's mostly negative. I think the writers/devs know the things we like about the game though. Weekes seems to know that a lot of people really love the characters he's written (and are heartbroken over them). The feedback section is one of many ways people communicate with the team these days. Though you've inspired me to go in there and say some nice things. Fight the good fight and all.
The many giant maps are sort of growing on me. I was overwhelmed at first, but I've started to appreciate how diverse and different they are, especially since I'm playing DAO right now. They could scale them back a little, but I think I'd be sad if next game we only had two or three areas.
I'm not giving up, though. Everything Patrick said doesn't have to be final. That's how it is right now. Solas is sad. His story is sad. He was this close to "betraying himself" and yeah, he changed his mind, but...
"You change everything."
"It changes everything, but it can't."
It still could, and if it can't it might not be as bad as it seems. A lot of Lavellans would be willing to pick up the pieces if that's what it comes down to.
"It changes everything, but it can't [because Bioware does not have the budget to create an entirely separate plot arc just for romancing Lavellans]"
Wish we knew why it can't, aside from the fact that he seems to believe Lavellan wouldn't help him.
I didn't romance Cassandra, but I couldn't make her divine. She was my bff and I selfishly need her with me AT. ALL. TIMES. Her being angry at things makes my world brighter. At least you get a choice.
Crazy Leliana is my Divine. Sorry Thedas, you're going to accept everyone like it or not.
well least my Levellan can get always depend on bull to get her **** faced to try to forget the pain
Not to mention, if Solas is on a path towards morally questionable ends, having someone to bind him to the here and now is important. He should be questioning whether or not his goals are worth it.
Solas, let me be your Morality Chain!
I honestly feel guilty now, guys. Like, fully and totally guilty.
AND WHY DO I FEEL WORSE FOR HIM THAN MY OWN LAVELLAN???
I feel worse for him too. 
Totally acceptable way to feel! I would ask: Did he get anything out of it besides more pain? I like to think he did, even if we don't get to see much of it outside Halamshiral. He seems so desperately lonely and I guess one of my favorite parts of the romance is that Lavellan does reach him. Maybe not in a way that could stop him from what he's doing but she does prevent him from being so alone for a little while. He gets something that was worth having out of the relationship, even if it ends poorly forever.
Edit: And hey, that pain may be good for him in the long run if it keeps him questioning.
I disagree. Nowhere has Lavellan forced a romance on him. He's just as willing and pushes for a romance as she does.
"He's smiling when he pulls away from the kiss, content to stay with her forever.
It hits him like a wave of freezing water that he needs to walk away."
**** I nailed it.
I honestly feel guilty now, guys. Like, fully and totally guilty.
He puts up a resistance to the romance several times... says it will only be cruel for them both in the end... and we basically shoot all those objections down and force a romance on him.
AND THEN HE FALLS SO DEEPLY IN LOVE HE'S READY TO THROW EVERYTHING AWAY FOR IT. Only to have to stab himself in the heart and go on alone for whatever "reasons" he has.
I don't know why or how, but this sort of makes it worse now. I may be broken. Romancing him again in future playthroughs may just... not be an option for me. Knowing full well I'm forcing cruelty onto him (and me).
AND WHY DO I FEEL WORSE FOR HIM THAN MY OWN LAVELLAN???
*sobbing forever*
If Solas told Lavellan why he didn't want to start a relationship at all, then I'd feel bad for him. Or if he dropped it after scene number one (when he says there are "considerations..."). He does not do either of those things. He says that things will go badly and leaves it up to Lavellan to figure out if that's a big deal or not, with no information to base that decision on. He brought up kissing her in the Fade during the second scene.
Even though Lavellan is the one that physically initiates most of their romance, Solas is actually the one with the power IMO. He knows what the costs/benefits to it are. He knows what they would and wouldn't need to give up to be together. He does not share that information, and so Lavellan (and thus the player) cannot possibly know what they're doing to him, but he knows fully what he must eventually do to her if he's not willing to give up on everything else.
You've probably already listened by now, but the only Solas theory they really touch on is whether Solas was always Fen'Harel or whether he's like Flemeth (as in an elf possessed by Fen'Harel). Weekes kinda dodged around that one. lol
Which I find really interesting, if you're just inhabiting him then please give him back to us Mr Harel Ser...safely...
ITA. Whenever the ball is in his court, he willingly picks it up. He asked for time to think and got it; he's the one who reinitiates the romance without prompting from Lavellan. And after that he never again voices any hesitation; instead he openly acknowledges their relationship.
Exactly. Solas asks for time to think about it, and what does Lavellan say? "Take as much time as you need" and doesn't acknowledge the relationship or make any moves until he himself says "I have not forgotten the kiss."
That's not someone who forced a relationship.
I disagree. Nowhere has Lavellan forced a romance on him. He's just as willing and pushes for a romance as she does.
It's not as if she forced him to do anything.
In the Fade scene, she pulled back, and he grabbed her and pulled her close for another kiss.
I don't even go into Feedback, since it's mostly negative. I think the writers/devs know the things we like about the game though. Weekes seems to know that a lot of people really love the characters he's written (and are heartbroken over them). The feedback section is one of many ways people communicate with the team these days. Though you've inspired me to go in there and say some nice things. Fight the good fight and all.
The many giant maps are sort of growing on me. I was overwhelmed at first, but I've started to appreciate how diverse and different they are, especially since I'm playing DAO right now. They could scale them back a little, but I think I'd be sad if next game we only had two or three areas.
Yeah, I do like the maps. But due to limited time and budget, if I had to pick, I would choose more Solas scenes and more core story missions and sacrifice maybe 2-3 of the maps.
Yeah, I do like the maps. But due to limited time and budget, if I had to pick, I would choose more Solas scenes and more core story missions and sacrifice maybe 2-3 of the maps.
Yeah I honestly miss those story driven side missions from past games,hoping that dlc focuses more on story than even more open areas 
I like the line that you get when, after the break up, you comment on him always being so mysterious. Lavellan says something like, 'You never want anyone to see beyond that mask of yours.' He seems very sad when he responds 'You saw more than most.'
If you link that to the flirt option after the ball, where he says that very few people ever see him and his intentions, I do think it was worth it for him. If it caused additional hurt, that hurt was replaced in kind with the feeling that for once someone actually reached out to him.
Yeah, I do like the maps. But due to limited time and budget, if I had to pick, I would choose more Solas scenes and more core story missions and sacrifice maybe 2-3 of the maps.
Like, did we really need three desert environments? I would gladly trade the Hissing Wastes for more Solas.
I thought I would bring up a fun point.
A long time ago I was in class and we were anylizing fairy tales for historical and cultural significances. About how legends and fairy tales are pretty much the essence of social desires and values since they are passed down verbally, making it so they are changed a little bit each time to reflect what people want.
So if you take older versions of Little Red Riding hood, they are very sexual. The newer ones still have the same overall story though. In the old one, Little Red semi seduced the wolf and the wolf is supposed to represent a woman's husband. The wolf being the carnal sexual part of the man, the woodsman being the fatherly caring part. Which is why the woodsman wears the skin of the wolf at the end. So that he is both.
One of my favorite versions is when the wolf has already killed Red's grandmother and has her blood and flesh on the table. He tells Red to eat the meat and wine, and she does. This represents getting rid of and devouring older generations, because she doesn't need them anymore, she has the wolf/man. Then he tells her to burn her maiden's clothes and they get in bed together and have sex. She then wants to leave but he wont let her. So she says he has to pee, and he says no just pee in the bed (so like a guy). And she's like no I have to poo. So he ties a string to her ankle and lets her go outside. When she get's outside she ties the string to a Plumb tree and runs away. And when the wolf finds out he's very sad.
I don't know where I was going with this but now you've heard this crazy fairy tale.
Winning post of the day.
I like the line that you get when, after the break up, you comment on him always being so mysterious. Lavellan says something like, 'You never want anyone to see beyond that mask of yours.' He seems very sad when he responds 'You saw more than most.'
If you link that to the flirt option after the ball, where he says that very few people ever see him and his intentions, I do think it was worth it for him. If it caused additional hurt, that hurt was replaced in kind with the feeling that for once someone actually reached out to him.
Oh god, this guy breaks my heart. Even in a non-romance. HE'S TOO SAD. TOO MAUDLIN.
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