Guys, I have a question about Solas' romance. It should be like all the other LIs where you can just go up to them and kiss them whenever, right?
Like I've gotten both kisses and the dance, but when I go up to him all it says is Tell me about Corypheus or Goodbye.
I've done almsot everything except for Emprise du Lion and The Temple of Mythal. Am I bugged?
Nope.. that's exactly how his works 
No random kissing whenever you want sadly
Nope. You can't go to him for some snogging. Sorry.
It doesn't have to be kissing though. With Dorian you can wander up to him and say "Let's spend some time together."
I mean, I get that they had less production time, but it just feels really empty compared to the other romances.
It may be deeper in the cutscenes you do get, but right now? I feel very alone.
Apologies if someone's already posted this but it's late/early and I just saw this on tumblr and I've kinda sorta melted into a puddle.
Flycam shot of the fade kiss:
Spoiler
Just...damn. I had no idea he'd put his leg between hers like that. Solas moves fast. Where's that spray bottle gif when you need it?
For some reason the only thing that popped into my head when I saw this was, "Dang. Solas is a smooth operator." That doesn't even make any sense, brain.
I think many of Solas' criticisms are heavily colored by the disappointment he feels, both in the world and in himself. It is far easier to be negative about others when you are angry at yourself for your own poor decisions. I suspect that, if he survives what ever he is planning to do and things work out, that his viewpoint will also be colored by that success. Coloring the world through your own success or failure is a very "human" or in this case "Elvhen" thing to do.
AND, back to crackpot theories - I'm sure someone has said this somewhere in this monster of a thread I can't keep up with but:
Fact: Solas' orb allows interaction with and physical entry into the fade
Supposition: the Black City may be Arlathan or a facsimile thereof. The Elvhen pantheon, with or without a number of ancient elves may be imprisoned and sleeping in the Black City/ Arlathan. Since none are awake there is no one to sit upon the throne. From the evidence we have, Fen'Harel's power even before the fall of Arlathan was even more heavily tied to the realm of spirits than others in his pantheon so it would make sense for him to use that to imprison the other gods in a place where he had power.
Could Solas' plan be to enter the fade and return Arlathan to the physical realm of Thedas? Would this action have an effect on the contamination of lyrium? I'm going with the assumption that red lyrium/blight/darkspawn are all consequences of a viral infection as supported by evidence that lyrium is likely alive and that dragons can wall of blight infection within their own bodies.
Personally, I doubt, that Solas would want to return Arlathan. Judging from his fatalistic tone in post-credits scene, he's intended to prevent something dire to happen, or maybe reverse this "something dire" and it seems, that the whole world is at stake, not just former elven glory.
If you discovered that Solas was directly responsible for Corypheus's dreams of the Dark City, and had lured him there purposefully to ensure the release of his physical side (Dirthamen = Dumat) so that he could once again try to fix the mess of his earlier rebellion and eventually hopefully address the Blight before it inevitably took over the world... would you love him, even then? Knowing how much blood was on his hands? Understanding that -to him- there simply was no other way?
Idk... I'd be super disappointed in him for doing something sooo thoughtless.... Like I can't even imagine how doing all of that could even be considered a good idea.
That was honestly my biggest problem with Solas. With every Inquisitor, he's like, "You're not like the others (of your kind)! You're special!" and I kinda wanted to kick him in the nuts. I think it's honestly one of the more racist/sexist things to say to someone, to say they're somehow better than others like them. To lump everyone into one category and then elevate a single person to higher status, it's like... no. Just don't.
At the risk of sounding too much of a Solas apologist, let's think about this from his perspective for a second.
For thousands of years, he lived in a purely elven society. Then that all went to **** and he went to sleep, and when he woke up, suddenly, elves are at the bottom of the pecking order, and all these races he's only heard about through stories (and not very flattering ones either) are ruling over the world. He tries to connect with other elves, but they reject him.
He thinks the world's gone into even worse ****, and starts to go about correcting his mistake (Or maybe he wants to counteract an incoming disaster? Still don't know). He makes another mistake, and he's forced to team up with the Inquisition, which is probably the first time he's ever had close prolonged interactions with dwarves, qunari, and humans. And at first, as expected of someone who's only heard unflattering tales about other races, he's really judgmental.
But as time wears on, he begins to see, primarily because of the Inquisitor but also because of the other companions, that his prejudices were in fact prejudices only, and that balcony scene is him acknowledging that.
So yes, you can argue that he's racist. I don't think so however, because he doesn't hold up any one race as superior to the other. He's just telling you what he thought of you, and how you've changed his point of view.
I really like this idea, as it is devious in a Fen'Harel way... But keep getting stuck on Solas telling you that he never would have believed a Tevinter magister could unlock the orb. So either he's lying directly, or he gave it to Corypheus to do something other than unlock it. But what?
You know, I was thinking that maybe his not thinking a Tevinter magister could unlock it was perhaps more related to not actually believing Cory would be able to wield the power (hence expecting Cory to be killed by the unlocking process, maybe through the power consuming him) and less to do with him actually activating the orb. I believe he absolutely thought Cory would be able to activate it (since he tells Flemeth he was too weak to activate it himself after waking) but that he thought Cory would be killed in the process.
All of this Good Solas, Bad Solas debate is making me nervous.
Question for you guys. >w< Just hypothetically.
If you discovered that Solas was directly responsible for Corypheus's dreams of the Dark City, and had lured him there purposefully to ensure the release of his physical side (Dirthamen = Dumat) so that he could once again try to fix the mess of his earlier rebellion and eventually hopefully address the Blight before it inevitably took over the world... would you love him, even then? Knowing how much blood was on his hands? Understanding that -to him- there simply was no other way?
I like the good solas, bad solas arguements! It's really interesting stuff! Still miss the theism parallels though.
Sounds like a blackwall romance. I would love Solas for the brief time I spent with him. But I'm already mentally prepared to kill him if there are further deaths for his cause.
Nope.. that's exactly how his works
Yep, when I was doing Cullen's romance after Solas's, this was a big surprise for me. It gave the chance to just go and kiss Cullen whenever, and I was like what is this sorcery?! O_O
It doesn't have to be kissing though. With Dorian you can wander up to him and say "Let's spend some time together."
I mean, I get that they had less production time, but it just feels really empty compared to the other romances.
It may be deeper in the cutscenes you do get, but right now? I feel very alone.
I like the good solas, bad solas arguements! It's really interesting stuff! Still miss the theism parallels though.
Sounds like a blackwall romance. I would love Solas for the brief time I spent with him. But I'm already mentally prepared to kill him if there are further deaths for his cause.
I would say it depends on what further deaths happen. More baddies dying? Meh. If it's something like the conclave again where thousands die... yea no, would show an inability to learn from his mistakes and a disregard for life, which would be a bit of a departure for him.
Of course... the question is also how will Mythal influence him? She could be much more "anything for justice" than he was and push him further than he would have gone on his own :/
I like the good solas, bad solas arguements! It's really interesting stuff! Still miss the theism parallels though.
Sounds like a blackwall romance. I would love Solas for the brief time I spent with him. But I'm already mentally prepared to kill him if there are further deaths for his cause.
Oh, come now, everything dulls in comparison to killing children for money
All of this Good Solas, Bad Solas debate is making me nervous.
Question for you guys. >w< Just hypothetically.
If you discovered that Solas was directly responsible for Corypheus's dreams of the Dark City, and had lured him there purposefully to ensure the release of his physical side (Dirthamen = Dumat) so that he could once again try to fix the mess of his earlier rebellion and eventually hopefully address the Blight before it inevitably took over the world... would you love him, even then? Knowing how much blood was on his hands? Understanding that -to him- there simply was no other way?
Well, I don't know if I could really accept that hypothetical scenario, since there's no evidence that Solas was trapped or caused the betrayal of the world. [And if we're assuming that the black city is connected to Arlathan, there's little doubt that the great betrayal is linked to it.]
But just from broad perspective- lets say the dread wolf was absolutely awful in the old days and his plans continue to be awful, I'd still love him as a character. I love this stuff. My Inquisitor would love him as well, but she'd probably decide that it was her duty to kill him if there was nothing left that could be salvaged.
Essentially- after finding out who he is, she'd be willing to hear him out. But the moment the wolf shows its fangs, she draws her sword.
How many people allowed Solas to kill the mages? Or even continued the relationship? That should have been the point to turn away from him if ruthlessness was to be an issue. He was willing to kill. For no reason other than anger. That's a trait of character. If you kill 5 or 5000 people does not really make too much of a difference anymore, I think. Especially since the mages-killing was very close up (seeing their faces, their fear, their helplessness, and knowing of their ignorance), while the conclave was neither planned nor anything personal. "3000 people died in a plane crash" surely is bad if you were the one not checking the engine correctly, but not as emotional as killing one person you can look into the eye while doing it.If you discovered that Solas was directly responsible for Corypheus's dreams of the Dark City, and had lured him there purposefully to ensure the release of his physical side (Dirthamen = Dumat) so that he could once again try to fix the mess of his earlier rebellion and eventually hopefully address the Blight before it inevitably took over the world... would you love him, even then? Knowing how much blood was on his hands? Understanding that -to him- there simply was no other way?
I don't know. Killing the mages in his personal quest is the only option for him (and there would not have been a ton of non-violant alternatives to punish them). He also still thinks so back in Skyhold. No "you were right to stop me, killing is the wrong way". Also, he approves (not only slightly) of some executions for Sit in Judgement (I did not try all, I only did this once or twice, so I have no empiric evidence on all of his reactions).
I do not think "avoid killing whenever possible" is really true regarding Solas.
No, you have a point. His view is probably more to kill when he deems it necessary than less about avoiding bloodshed altogether, though he does state that he takes no joy from killing. I do think that he will definitely take non-bloody methods if he views them as the best options, and he does consider all his options (minus out of anger as with the mages in his personal quest).
All of this Good Solas, Bad Solas debate is making me nervous.
Question for you guys. >w< Just hypothetically.
If you discovered that Solas was directly responsible for Corypheus's dreams of the Dark City, and had lured him there purposefully to ensure the release of his physical side (Dirthamen = Dumat) so that he could once again try to fix the mess of his earlier rebellion and eventually hopefully address the Blight before it inevitably took over the world... would you love him, even then? Knowing how much blood was on his hands? Understanding that -to him- there simply was no other way?
Considering how many slaves had to die for those magisters to enter the city? No.
(this is my lavellan though. i'd still find the character very compelling. though i really don't think he did this)
Lavellan Questionnaire:
All of this Good Solas, Bad Solas debate is making me nervous.
Question for you guys. >w< Just hypothetically.
If you discovered that Solas was directly responsible for Corypheus's dreams of the Dark City, and had lured him there purposefully to ensure the release of his physical side (Dirthamen = Dumat) so that he could once again try to fix the mess of his earlier rebellion and eventually hopefully address the Blight before it inevitably took over the world... would you love him, even then? Knowing how much blood was on his hands? Understanding that -to him- there simply was no other way?
How many people allowed Solas to kill the mages? Or even continued the relationship? That should have been the point to turn away from him if ruthlessness was to be an issue. He was willing to kill. For no reason other than anger. That's a trait of character. If you kill 5 or 5000 people does not really make too much of a difference anymore, I think. Especially since the mages-killing was very close up (seeing their faces, their fear, their helplessness, and knowing of their ignorance), while the conclave was neither planned nor anything personal. "3000 people died in a plane crash" surely is bad if you were the one not checking the engine correctly, but not as emotional as killing one person you can look into the eye while doing it.
Was his killing the mages a matter of ruthlessness though? Isn't ruthlessness about the ends justifying the means? But there's no end here. Only vengeance.
And vengeance I get. I relished Howe's demise.
But as time wears on, he begins to see, primarily because of the Inquisitor but also because of the other companions, that his prejudices were in fact prejudices only, and that balcony scene is him acknowledging that.
The animations do some funky things when you look at them from unintended angles. During the final romance scene Solas's right arms twitches uncontrollably right before he takes your hands. Maybe he's just overcome with emotions?
All of this Good Solas, Bad Solas debate is making me nervous.
Question for you guys. >w< Just hypothetically.
If you discovered that Solas was directly responsible for Corypheus's dreams of the Dark City, and had lured him there purposefully to ensure the release of his physical side (Dirthamen = Dumat) so that he could once again try to fix the mess of his earlier rebellion and eventually hopefully address the Blight before it inevitably took over the world... would you love him, even then? Knowing how much blood was on his hands? Understanding that -to him- there simply was no other way?
Love him? Yes. Feelings aren't reactions, though. How my Lavellan would respond to him after that would depend entirely on whether Solas learned anything from the experience, or whether he is just going to keep smashing a hammer at the world until it turns out how he thinks it should.
Love him? Yes. Feelings aren't reactions, though. How my Lavellan would respond to him after that would depend entirely on whether Solas learned anything from the experience, or whether he is just going to keep smashing a hammer at the world until it turns out how he thinks it should.
And it likely never will. In order for the world to change, people need to change. As it is, only the scenery changes, everything else remains the same. 
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