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[caridounette]

So how would your Inquisitors react to learning Solas' true identity?

 

I feel like mine would think a lot more about Solas makes sense, but she'd really start doubting everything she ever knew about the elven gods. I mean, the Dread Wolf kissed her like a drowning man, had little self control when it came to romance, once set his own coattails on fire accidentally, enjoys frilly little cakes and snorts when he laughs. So much for a terrifying trickster god. 

 

Humm that would depend how she learns it.

 

Would he be the one to tell him, in an intimate moment? I guess we already got a chance at that and failed -.-

 

Will he tell her when she inevitably finds him out trying to put his Big Plan in motion? In that case she would probably be hurt and angry. 

 

The best I could expect is for the Quizzy who drank the Well to relaize he is Fenharel before the meet again. And for any other Quizzy to at least realize he is an ancient elf. That would give Lavellan time to figure out what she wants to tell Solas and open a possibility of reconciliation.

[_Lucinia]

Hey Guys!

 

Don't know if any of you saw, but BioWare is having a PAX sale.  $15 shirts, $45 hoodies, $25 art.

 

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I had a gift visa from my Birthday burning a hole in my pocket so I got a couple shirts!  The Solas tarot shirt is in stock.

[vierrae]

I made this piece. If you're allergic to NSFV or unproffesional artists, please, avoid it 

It's kind of how I imagine alternate post-epilogue frecso

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[k_drake]

 
That seems to be the same statue behind Flemeth and Kieren in the Fade.
 
Spoilered for size

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Oh, and it's weeping blood.  Whelp, that's not ominous.  

[Colonelkillabee]

So how would your Inquisitors react to learning Solas' true identity?

 

I feel like mine would think a lot more about Solas makes sense, but she'd really start doubting everything she ever knew about the elven gods. I mean, the Dread Wolf kissed her like a drowning man, had little self control when it came to romance, once set his own coattails on fire accidentally, enjoys frilly little cakes and snorts when he laughs. So much for a terrifying trickster god. 

 

 

Well, I met one god already, so the initial shock wouldn't be that big. It would be like... "Aaaah that makes sense!"

 

It gets dicey if I know that he gave his orb to Corypheus. Like "What to do with you now?" Blackwall style. It wouldn't be good. Would take some time to consider.

[Addai]

 
That seems to be the same statue behind Flemeth and Kieren in the Fade.
 
*snip*

Oh. So that's what that was.

 

You had to go and do that.

[Caddius]

Well, I met one god already, so the initial shock wouldn't be that big. It would be like... "Aaaah that makes sense!"

 

It gets dicey if I know that he gave his orb to Corypheus. Like "What to do with you now?" Blackwall style. It wouldn't be good. Would take some time to consider.

I like the idea that he handed it to Cornflakes expecting him to activate it and blow himself up right then, but instead Corypheus spends several years meticulously combing through elven ruins and ancient lore for clues on how to use it properly, creates a ritual, and builds himself an army.

"I had to pick the one Tevinter Magister who has his crap together."

[Avejajed]

I like the idea that he handed it to Cornflakes expecting him to activate it and blow himself up right then, but instead Corypheus spends several years meticulously combing through elven ruins and ancient lore for clues on how to use it properly, creates a ritual, and builds himself an army.
"I had to pick the one Tevinter Magister who has his crap together."

Speaking of.

I was listening to party banter on the way to work today (don't judge me) and heard some quest where coryfish was talking through some crystals.

I've never heard this quest before, wondered what it was? I figured I took a wrong turn somewhere. Maybe Calpernias quest?

[Colonelkillabee]

I like the idea that he handed it to Cornflakes expecting him to activate it and blow himself up right then, but instead Corypheus spends several years meticulously combing through elven ruins and ancient lore for clues on how to use it properly, creates a ritual, and builds himself an army.

"I had to pick the one Tevinter Magister who has his crap together."

First, I just want to say that it makes me so happy to see people call him Cornflakes It brings a tear to my eye. LOL And it's ****** hilarious. HAIL, THE FROSTED ONE! I'M GRRREEAT!

 

As for the actual post, lol, he gave him the orb after he woke up right? I think that Cornflakes just regenerated like he always does when he dies, and Solas just didn't expect him to have that ability.

[Caddius]

Speaking of.

I was listening to party banter on the way to work today (don't judge me) and heard some quest where coryfish was talking through some crystals.

I've never heard this quest before, wondered what it was? I figured I took a wrong turn somewhere. Maybe Calpernias quest?

Corypheus has five memory crystals in the Calpernia quest. They turn him from a rather flat character with amazing voice acting and poetic dialogue to a much more fascinating antagonist. Basically if a priest/leader of his people woke up in a situation similar to Solas, except instead of being a god, his god rose up as an Archdemon and was slain because of his actions.

Colonel: I laughed my ass when I saw Cornflakes. As someone mentioned earlier, it is a lot of Benny Cucumber. Everyone knows who you're talking about. 

And yeah, Solas's, "Oh. Crap." reaction when he learns about Cornflakes's respawn ability lends a lot of credence to the idea he just expected the silly man to blow himself up.

[Avejajed]

Corypheus has five memory crystals in the Calpernia quest. They turn him from a rather flat character with amazing voice acting and poetic dialogue to a much more fascinating antagonist. Basically if a priest/leader of his people woke up in a situation similar to Solas, except instead of being a god, his god rose up as an Archdemon and was slain because of his actions.
Colonel: I laughed my ass when I saw Cornflakes. As someone mentioned earlier, it is a lot of Benny Cucumber. Everyone knows who you're talking about.
And yeah, Solas's, "Oh. Crap." reaction when he learns about Cornflakes's respawn ability lends a lot of credence to the idea he just expected the silly man to blow himself up.

Thank you! The party banter I listen to isn't very..well it's kind of pieced together so it's choppy, not in order, so I thought it would maybe in the Templar side.

[Colonelkillabee]

Corypheus has five memory crystals in the Calpernia quest. They turn him from a rather flat character with amazing voice acting and poetic dialogue to a much more fascinating antagonist. Basically if a priest/leader of his people woke up in a situation similar to Solas, except instead of being a god, his god rose up as an Archdemon and was slain because of his actions.

Colonel: I laughed my ass when I saw Cornflakes. As someone mentioned earlier, it is a lot of Benny Cucumber. Everyone knows who you're talking about. 

And yeah, Solas's, "Oh. Crap." reaction when he learns about Cornflakes's respawn ability lends a lot of credence to the idea he just expected the silly man to blow himself up.

LOL now that I think about it, I'd be sooo ****** pissed at that moment if I were Solas. I'd be like... "Really? REALLY? That is BULLSHIT! Grade A, baby back bah bah blacksheep bull ****!"

 

You really can't blame Solas for that one... for all we know, he probably thought he was doing us a favor. Two birds with one big ass silver elven stone.

[vierrae]

Corypheus has five memory crystals in the Calpernia quest. They turn him from a rather flat character with amazing voice acting and poetic dialogue to a much more fascinating antagonist. Basically if a priest/leader of his people woke up in a situation similar to Solas, except instead of being a god, his god rose up as an Archdemon and was slain because of his actions.

Colonel: I laughed my ass when I saw Cornflakes. As someone mentioned earlier, it is a lot of Benny Cucumber. Everyone knows who you're talking about. 

And yeah, Solas's, "Oh. Crap." reaction when he learns about Cornflakes's respawn ability lends a lot of credence to the idea he just expected the silly man to blow himself up.

And that's the reason I prefer recruiting templars. The after-quests are amazing and give you extra lore content, plus you have an option to make Calpernia switch sides and fight against Coryfish.

[Sifr]

So how would your Inquisitors react to learning Solas' true identity?

 

I feel like mine would think a lot more about Solas makes sense, but she'd really start doubting everything she ever knew about the elven gods. I mean, the Dread Wolf kissed her like a drowning man, had little self control when it came to romance, once set his own coattails on fire accidentally, enjoys frilly little cakes and snorts when he laughs. So much for a terrifying trickster god. 

 

I think my Lavellan would be shocked at first as all the pieces clicked into place, but likewise, would doubt how the Big Bad Wolf of Dalish legend is such a sweet and adorkable individual, who'd been a stalwat friend, companion and who'd captured her heart?

 

If she was angry, she'd save it for when she gets him into a bedroom and try to work it out that way.

[Caddius]

So my cats knocked over something large in the other room right as the camera zooms in on Coryfeels and his sidekick during In Your Heart Shall Burn. So I missed the scene where you see him, all looming and Magister like, my first playthrough.

So imagine my complete shock when Cornflakes strides out of the inferno near the end.

After subsequent playthroughs without any cat mischief, (well, not much) I actually preferred it that way. Cole/Dorian saying that 'The Elder One is here. Somewhere. That's his lieutenant up there.' *camera pans to Samson/Calpernia*

And then it's only when the Herald presents themselves as a target that Cornflakes swoops in on his dragon to make his dramatic entrance.

[Avejajed]

And that's the reason I prefer recruiting templars. The after-quests are amazing and give you extra lore content, plus you have an option to make Calpernia switch sides and fight against Coryfish.

I only did the Templar quest once and abandoned that playthrough shortly after. I found the Templar quest tedious and I missed Dorian. It just felt weird.

I did regret not meeting Calpernia though, Samson is boring.

[Colonelkillabee]

Question, all the gods have orbs, no?

[Elessara]

Question, all the gods have orbs, no?

 

If you believe Solas, he says that they were foci used to channel the power of the gods and that some were dedicated to specific members of the pantheon.  Give me a few and I can actually run through that convo again.

[OxidantsHappen]

 

*hugs herself and giggles madly*

 

OXI.  THIS.  SO MUCH.  

 

Totally with you, red lyrium specifically as lymphoma with a twist.   Again, game-as-fade: our reality, our rules, bent but not broken.  Blood cancer infecting the Stone: dwarves as lymphocytes, the ancient thaigs as lymph nodes, deep roads as bone marrow.  Network of lyrium veins simultaneously functioning as the Stone's circulatory and nervous system.  

 

Will try to explain thought process, but completely floored by flu at the moment so going to have to shove everything out of my head without much connective thought.  Have faith you'll understand.  Original disease reacts differently to races of Thedas than the Stone because they are fundamentally different entities: related but not the same.  Blue/red lyrium's effect on physical races is due to its essential nature in terms of radiation: energy waves as Song.  

 

Recall effects of blue lyrium on mortal beings and consider in terms of radiation exposure.  Harmonics and resonance also involved, since the more magically sensitive the entity is, the more profound the reaction.  Mages affected most dramatically (almost instant death by internal hemorrhage, according to WoTv1) so strong link to concept of infrasound + mechanical resonance likely.  All entities affected depending on innate resistance and degree of exposure however: deafness, memory loss, nausea, tinnitus (ringing in ears - a different level, but still connected to hearing the "Song").  All symptoms of radiation exposure, but still points to blue lyrium as being fundamentally harmonic with natural Creation.  Strength of song certainly harmful to health, but does not change the entity into something else.  

 

Red lyrium different.  Stronger.  Mutative.  Changes individual "Song" at DNA level.  Codex describing effects of red lyrium treatment on templar strongly correlated to acute radiation poisoning: loss of hair and nails, breakdown of skin, headaches, confusion.  And then becoming something else.  No self left.  Original song completely obliterated by new Song.  

 

Anyway!  Red lyrium.  Creation probably not intentional.  Think of Elvhenan at height of Pantheon's power.  Almost every member’s original Duty within Pantheon twisted into promotion of worship among others' followers and developing relative strength and resistance of own.  Massive pressure on Ghil at this point: demands to create physical races with stronger and stronger Will, because stronger Will = better follower, better soldier.  Ghil does her best, but hits a biological roadblock with what she has on hand. Song can only be made so strong, capping out with direct manipulation of dragon blood. Elgar’nan steps in, grants her access to the primeval source of Will in original creation: Old Dragon God blood, courtesy of Sun still being held in the Void.   Result of this tinkering may be kossith, or kossith may have been a product of combining races with a “beast dragon” step before.  Still uncertain.    

 

Problem is that the increasing demands of the Pantheon don’t stop there.  More pressure.  More demand.  Ghil thinks, “Hey, all the name of Science, right?”  Tweaks things a bit too far- hits a critical tipping point in tinkering with the Will in the original blood of the Sun- an amplitude / oscillation powerful enough to actively infect and change the Song of similar entities it comes in contact with. This is sundering of Song.  Blue lyrium turns red.  Blood of the Sun is no longer harmonic with the Song of the original Universe – literally unnatural. The kind of GMO that keeps Republicans up at night.   FrankenSong. 

 

Red lyrium is direct threat to Stone, but is not Blight yet.  Can dramatically affect, but not infect races of Thedas.  Conversion from red lyrium to Blight is almost certainly Magisters' doing.  Would pin on Architect, if pressed.  Tinkering after discovery in physical City creates human variant, virus-style.  Still primarily a bloodborne disease, but now blood of physical races.  Directly infectious.   Darkspawn. 

 

Completely in love with the idea of Warden joining as semi-effective vaccination!  Totally brilliant.  Desperately need to read Last Flight, as I think Caddius has mentioned it describes Fiona being "cured" of Warden taint with result of complete immunity.  Key is definitely in there.  

 

Anyway.  Still catching up with thread- no doubt others have covered much of this more coherently.   Will try to reform thoughts to add to basic wiki idea when not so feverish and preoccupied with disgusting bodily fluids.   

 

*crawls back in bed*

 

 

Radiation! I didn't even think about that!  Radiation can cause cell structures to mutate.  Increased mutation can cause cells to turn cancerous.  So the radiation could even possibly contribute to the cancerous effects that I mentioned in my theory. I was also reading a recent study that described how exposure to radiation can sometimes cause latent viruses in the body to activate and become a chronic / malignant condition.  This could be how the radiation "activated" the blight into a contagious type of deal? I can go research this type of occurrence in more detail if this is something that might help tie the theories together.

 

I like the radiation idea because that can fit very well into figuring out how the lyrium managed to become infected with the blight.  Because I assumed the lyrium was similar to stone, but stones can't get infections- So i was trying to figure out how lyrium could be infected with anything.  So since we know lyrium is alive and can be infected, it must be something that only resembles the stone, but is in fact a living organism.  Now I'm just going to throw an idea out here, because it popped into my head: what if lyrium is something like coral? Coral is a living organism, but it has a hard exoskeleton and is easy to mistake for a rock.  Coral is also capable of contracting diseases.  Although I don't know if coral can get cancer?  I just tried to do some minimal research into tumor growth in coral reefs, but I couldn't find any studies about coral developing cancer.  But technically any living multicellular organism should theoretically have the potential for uncontrolled cell proliferation.  I don't know that much about invertebrates though, so I could easily be wrong on that.  But if lyrium is similar to something like coral, and if it can form tumors, that could explain how the red (infected) lyrium grows so quickly and out of control - because the literal definition of cancer is uncontrollable cell reproduction. Uncontrollable growths.

 

For the song (now keep in mind I took physics 5 years ago so my memory of sound waves is super rusty)- does the song affect mages more drastically because they already have a latent song, but when in proximity to the song 'sung' by the lyrium it adds to their latent inherent song?  The songs then have an additive effect, increasing their amplitude, which overwhelms and kills the mages?  I might be misunderstanding that though. My knowledge of wave functions is limited to their use in mathematical equations.  No one ever talks about "why they're important" or "how they're used in real life"- just "solve this to pass the class".  So my knowledge of their applications in life-like situations is not that great.

 

As for the dragon blood- on the wiki it also says that archdemon blood is preferable when preparing the joining & without the blood of an archdemon they have to use magic to alter the darkspawn blood.  So whatever magic they use, it's mimicking the effects of an archdemons blood (I swear if my computer autocorrects archdemon to archdeacon one more time I'm going to throw something).  So is the magic ritual somehow mimicking the song aspect of the blood, or mimicking the biological/immunological effects of the blood?

 

I haven't caught up to the thread & I'm still like 50 pages behind so I apologize if I'm interrupting a really important conversation. 

[Rabbitonfire]

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[Caddius]

Question, all the gods have orbs, no?

And then some, it seems like.

According to Dorian, the ancient Neromenian Dreamers had something similar, and probably passed them on to the Magisters. It wouldn't surprise me if the murder of Mythal was somehow involved with the Neromenians getting their hands on the Orb. Or that they were able to use it to blast through her defenses. That kind of thing.

Apparently the Orb of Destruction is referred to as 'Mythal's Orb' in the game files, which raises all sorts of questions. Maybe Mythal's was needed to undo certain spells or perform certain actions? Like Mom's keys to the car, as opposed to Solas's key to the dog-house pad-lock?

[Colonelkillabee]

If you believe Solas, he says that they were foci used to channel the power of the gods and that some were dedicated to specific members of the pantheon.  Give me a few and I can actually run through that convo again.

Alright, thank you. Was thinking about that picture of the ritual symbol and what the symbols might mean.

[Sable Rhapsody]

So how would your Inquisitors react to learning Solas' true identity?

 

I feel like mine would think a lot more about Solas makes sense, but she'd really start doubting everything she ever knew about the elven gods. I mean, the Dread Wolf kissed her like a drowning man, had little self control when it came to romance, once set his own coattails on fire accidentally, enjoys frilly little cakes and snorts when he laughs. So much for a terrifying trickster god. 

 

I think my Lavellan would take the Dread Wolf thing relatively well; she's not angry about the truth, she's angry that he didn't freaking tell her sooner when he had the chance.  She'd be all understanding and reasonable about his true identity, then when he least expects it, POW!  Punch to the face for the breakup.  Avoiding his cheekbones of course 

 

Adaar, who considers Solas his weird Fade bro, would just throw up his hands and give up on making sense of the world.  He'd look at everyone and say, "F*** it.  I don't know s***.  None of you know s*** either, including you, Mr. Dread Wolf man.  Ugh, why can't anything be simple?!"

[vierrae]

Question, all the gods have orbs, no?

Solas said, that all gods have foci. It isn't necessarily orbs, could be any object