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Looks like a Space Ship to me. 

 

*puts on tinfoil hat*

 

Maybe the city was a space ship. It was Golden while it still had power but once that failed all the lights went out and it turned black.?  :P

I haven't been following so is the depiction suggesting it is a sphere or a plain?

 

is it like this?

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the dome part. not anything at the bottem.


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T'would be funny to find out, that the Fade is simply inside the nucleo terrestre. Otherwise it makes theory about Arlathan, Black City's twin, buried somewhere underneath, completely believable.

If Arlathan was underground, would explain why red lyrium is too. Whatever happened to the golden city happened here as well. Though I'm still partial to the idea that the old gods' essence spreads it.

 

Remember what Solas said about having to travel the real world to unlock more locations of the fade? What if the Golden city is arlathan's twin because its arlathan in the fade?
 



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Maybe the song is always there. Maybe the Blight just destroys the part of the brain that prevents us from "hearing" it. That natural boundary in the brain that filters it out. I don't know if we always must go about how the song is put into a tainted one, maybe it is just that the taint removes defenses.

Like, let's say, air pollution. It is always there, all around us. But a few parts of our body filters it to an extend so that we can cope with it.

 

Again, not thought through, just a very inital thought.

 

I know nothing about it besides "not a Grey Warden anymore". So sticking to my theory of destroyed natural defences - what if her body simply regenerated those defences? Like healing of a wound? You cut your finger, it is destroyed and all the bad environmental influences affect you (simply put: it hurts, wind/water/dirt etc. hurts). But the body will regenerate the flesh and skin, it heals and the defence is back up. Maybe this happened to Fiona.

 

I understand the blight something like a fungus which can enter into parasite/symbiosis with the other organisms by infecting their blood, and being able to replicate.

 

This somehow fits me to:

- red lyrium carrying the blight -> crystal infected by a fungus

- blighted creatures being infected by the same disease, share the same goal (destroy the living, infect more to make the fungus replicate)

- I support the Grey Warden ritual of drinking darkspawn blood is a sort of "vaccination"

- the song is a way of how the fungus "communicates" with the living bodies it infected. The louder the song, the more the infected body is controlled

- Fiona's miraculous cure is somehow gaining organism self defence against the blight fungus and my instincts tells me this is somehow related to blood, particularly Alistair's blood.

 

I think the goal of the blight is to transform living organisms into somehow parts of a collective mind, though:

- the resistance to it depends of individual organism or the way how the blight was spread onto

- some (Corypheus?) know more about it's origins and may use it as a tool for their own purposes

I doubt though BW had something so literal in mind and wanted to create a "mystical" disease, more open for players' interpretation, not to flatten the story.

 

Disclaimer: I am completely lame when it comes to biology stuff, so... if anyone is educated in the topic, please treat my theory mildly ;) Happy to hear any feedback though.


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The silhouette of the black city in Solas's mural looks like the outline of the golden city. Although I found a (slightly disturbing) image of the golden city becoming the black city after the magisters do creepy things.

 

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The silhouette of the black city in Solas's mural looks like the outline of the golden city. Although I found a (slightly disturbing) image of the golden city becoming the black city after the magisters do creepy things.

 

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That pic of Arlathan earlier looks similar to this.

 

Could be nothing, but the doorway leading to the inside is red....



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I understand the blight something like a fungus […]

I totally like this. Now we only need someone to link the fungus to triggering the cancer-like disease. Can my favourite science lady here do that? (OxidantsHappen, you there?)

There was some Fringe episode about this, with a boy. Complete with "the song" and telepathic empathy stuff. We could use that, just make it more... reasonable than Fringe did. :-)
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If Arlathan was underground, would explain why red lyrium is too. Whatever happened to the golden city happened here as well. Though I'm still partial to the idea that the old gods' essence spreads it.
 
Remember what Solas said about having to travel the real world to unlock more locations of the fade? What if the Golden city is arlathan's twin because its arlathan in the fade?

It's said that the Tevinters "sunk" Arlathan, literally, so I would guess that it was suspended and was brought down and sunk into the ground by their machinations. Doesn't Solas mention palaces floating in the sky?

Though since Skyhold is the place the elves "brought down the sky," maybe this is something they did when they were creating or fixing the Veil. Maybe Skyhold is a remnant of Arlathan? Morrigan says there is magic in the stones that's very old.

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Maybe Skyhold is a remnant of Arlathan? Morrigan says there is magic in the stones that's very old.


That idea is very appealing. Would also explain all the "it is so huge" hints. Only, the architecture does not look Elven at all.

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It's said that the Tevinters "sunk" Arlathan, literally, so I would guess that it was suspended and was brought down and sunk into the ground by their machinations. Doesn't Solas mention palaces floating in the sky?

Though since Skyhold is the place the elves "brought down the sky," maybe this is something they did when they were creating or fixing the Veil. Maybe Skyhold is a remnant of Arlathan? Morrigan says there is magic in the stones that's very old.

He does, yea. When he's talking about how the elves were one with magic.

 

Maybe it was split? Part of it stays in the fade, the other stays in Thedas.

 

Either way, I am partial to Arlathan and the Golden city being connected somehow. If the tevinters were involved, that gives room for the old gods and taint idea too.



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That idea is very appealing. Would also explain all the "it is so huge" hints. Only, the architecture does not look Elven at all.

You know, maybe the way Cornflakes broke up our fort at the end and made it float is a hint. I've seen people saying they think Solas put Arlathan up in the veil that way. Maybe it indeed was split.


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It's said that the Tevinters "sunk" Arlathan, literally, so I would guess that it was suspended and was brought down and sunk into the ground by their machinations. Doesn't Solas mention palaces floating in the sky?

Though since Skyhold is the place the elves "brought down the sky," maybe this is something they did when they were creating or fixing the Veil. Maybe Skyhold is a remnant of Arlathan? Morrigan says there is magic in the stones that's very old.

I think it is, I'm desperate to learn more about it, perhaps it anchors the veil (holds back the sky).
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Also, if the old gods claimed to be in the fade when they were talking to the tevinters and getting them to cross the veil, it'd make sense if the taint was somehow their essence, their god mojo sealed away before they were physically under Thedas. Because Cornflakes thought the throne was empty, but really it was them and he was serving them all along, without even knowing it.



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Looks like our Krogan friend is suffering from being... over-Wrexed!

 

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:lol: :whistle:

 

(The bad pun was there, I couldn't resist...)


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You know, maybe the way Cornflakes broke up our fort at the end and made it float is a hint. I've seen people saying they think Solas put Arlathan up in the veil that way. Maybe it indeed was split.

 

Does he really do that though? It looks like Skyhold, admitted but:

-The final quest takes place at the temple of sacred ashes (?)

-The IQ says "We go back to Skyhold." when asked what to do now, after the battle. 

- Skyhold is whole when you return.

 

My thoughts has been that either it was the temple he took pieces of or it was all set in the fade. 

 

Maybe the temple od the ashes was once part of Arlathan? That's why the ashes of Andraste was brought there and not someplace else... 

 

I've also been thinking about a thing regarding lyrium; which is actually its natural form, sold or liquid?

I mean the dwarves mine it, so in the mortal world its almost always solid. Like a ore. It's even refered to as lyrium stone, right. But when you encounter it in the fade during DAO as lyrium veins it seems to be liquid. 

It excist liquid in the mortal world too, in the form of potions and such, but it seems to be as if its because the 'tranquil' has somehow made it into that form/melted it. 

Does it work like water/ice?

And how does that in that case work if its a living thing, like Bianca claims...  

 

All this thinking is not making my headache any better... 


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Alright, so.
 
"Our belief transformed into everything." - I had a theory that once, the world used to be perceptive to people's thoughts/intentions, so you could literally alter reality by thinking about something. Even if this is not the case - there are spirits which can transform into demons if one expects them to; there's the Fade and the Dreamer mages who could shape it according to their will; so apparently intentions/thoughts still hold some power, even in the physical world. That's probably what this part is about: a lot of people gathering in one place and wishing for something... and it seems that it worked.
 
"All time is transformed into the final/first death." - I cannot help but link this part with the loss of elven immortality. It would be their "first" death - since they were immortal before - and their "final" death - since you can return from the Uthenera, but once you are dead, you are dead.
 
"inevitable/threatened victory and horrible/promised freedom in the untorn veils..." - I'm not sure about this one. Victory and freedom at the cost of their immortality? Also, it mentions untorn veils, which is important.
 
"Where the sky is held up/back, where the people give/gain love that is an apology/promise from/to..." - and so one could come to the conclusion that the elves did gather at Skyhold a long time ago and sacrificed their immortality to raise the Veil. To lock someone away, possibly. Also, that last part implies that there was someone who gave them the idea. Or that they feel sorry for whoever was locked away?
 
Solas, I am looking at you and waiting for answers.
 
There was someone with the same theory pages ago, and I didn't think much of it back then, but it fits, no?  :huh:
 
Edit: alternatively: the Anchor gives Quizzy the power to enter the Fade by creating a rift. The third part mentions "untorn veils", aka veils without rifts. Now, these orbs once belonged to ancient Dreamers, so one can assume they could create rifts just as Quizzy can. Solas states that elven gods used these things as well. So, "untorn Veils" could imply that they locked someone  - some group of people - who could create rifts away... But this means that the Veil did exist by the time they did it. I wonder if something like what happened in DAI did happen before, and they were forced to lock whoever was responsible behind the Veil?

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Does he really do that though?  

-The final quest takes place at the temple of sacred ashes (?)

-The IQ says "We go back to Skyhold." when asked what to do now, after the battle. 

- Skyhold is whole when you return.

 

My thoughts has been that either it was the temple he took pieces of or it was all set in the fade.

 

They really needed to explain where that place was? If it was the Temple, how come it wasn't completely flattened as it had been when we went to the Breach during the prologue? If there was more of the temple complex, why didn't we ever see any sign of it before?



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Does he really do that though? It looks like Skyhold, admitted but:

-The final quest takes place at the temple of sacred ashes (?)

-The IQ says "We go back to Skyhold." when asked what to do now, after the battle. 

- Skyhold is whole when you return.

 

My thoughts has been that either it was the temple he took pieces of or it was all set in the fade. 

 

Maybe the temple od the ashes was once part of Arlathan? That's why the ashes of Andraste was brought there and not someplace else... 

 

I've also been thinking about a thing regarding lyrium; which is actually its natural form, sold or liquid?

I mean the dwarves mine it, so in the mortal world its almost always solid. Like a ore. It's even refered to as lyrium stone, right. But when you encounter it in the fade during DAO as lyrium veins it seems to be liquid. 

It excist liquid in the mortal world too, in the form of potions and such, but it seems to be as if its because the 'tranquil' has somehow made it into that form/melted it. 

Does it work like water/ice?

And how does that in that case work if its a living thing, like Bianca claims...  

 

All this thinking is not making my headache any better... 

 

I don't think it was the temple, the temple was eviscerated. Was it even that close to Skyhold? People would have known about the place if so.

 

As for lyrium, I'd say in the fade, liquid... but we see it as a solid as well, especially in inquisition where the red lyrium crystals are present.

 

But as Addai showed before, they think of it as water in the fade. Maker's tears or what have you.

 

Then there's all those earlier connections we made of water to the fade and holding knowledge and power. It makes sense, since obviously you can't normally eat lyrium, but you can drink it. Gaining its benefits.

 

Then again, it seems the dwarves who became profane managed to eat it. But those rockheads probably could eat anything, lol. ROCK CANDY, BOYS!



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The thing about the Red Lyrium in the Fade... is it actual Red Lyrium, having somehow been brought there either via a Rift or having grown there originally? Or is it merely a construct and reflection of Red Lyrium that exists in the real world, due to people starting to dream about it, like the Red Templars, Seekers, etc?

 

We only ever travel in the Raw Fade after all, where you see a lot of things that are Fade manifestations of real things? Although, if Kieran is the OGB, we discover that an actual Eluvian has somehow been placed there at some point, by forces unknown? That is unless he was somehow able to make an Fade!Eluvian somehow real enough to connect to?

 

That's the problem with the Fade, what in there is real, slightly real and only mostly real is left completely up in the air?

 

:huh:


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Is the patch out yet? And does it fix the missing Solas quest?

 

 

I'm not up to date. I'm currently in the hospital with a shattered foot, bad climbing accident. I'm waiting for serious reconstructive surgery scheduled for later today... *sigh*

Good news is, I'll have plenty of time to play DAI during my long recovery. And maybe replay DAO and DA2 and work out my own theory. Gotta stay positive *g*

 

Owwy...I hope your surgery and recovery go well!!



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Alright, so.
 
"Our belief transformed into everything." - I had a theory that once, the world used to be perceptive to people's thoughts/intentions, so you could literally alter reality by thinking about something. Even if this is not the case - there are spirits which can transform into demons if one expects them to; there's the Fade and the Dreamer mages who could shape it according to their will; so apparently intentions/thoughts still hold some power, even in the physical world. That's probably what this part is about: a lot of people gathering in one place and wishing for something... and it seems that it worked.
 
"All time is transformed into the final/first death." - I cannot help but link this part with the loss of elven immortality. It would be their "first" death - since they were immortal before - and their "final" death - since you can return from the Uthenera, but once you are dead, you are dead.
 
"inevitable/threatened victory and horrible/promised freedom in the untorn veils..." - this one I'm not so sure about. Victory and freedom at the cost of their immortality? Also, it mentions untorn veils, which is important.
 
"Where the sky is held up/back, where the people give/gain love that is an apology/promise from/to..." - and so one could come to the conclusion that the elves did gather at Skyhold a long time ago and sacrificed their immortality to raise the Veil. To lock someone away, possibly. Also, that last part implies that there was someone who gave them the idea. Or that they feel sorry for whoever was locked away?
 
Solas, I am looking at you and waiting for answers.
 
There was someone with the same theory pages ago, and I didn't think much of it back then, but it fits, no?   :huh:

 

 

It's already 'confirmed' that Solas did lock away/up the old Gods. He admits so to Cole during their banters. In order save them from themselves. 

"The Old Gods were arrogant and fickle. They warred amongst themselves. Had pune fudes and vendettas." (He says this to a elven IQ that drinks from the well)  

 

I think he put them all into slumber. Including himselves, in hope of waking to a better tomorrow. Didn't happen/go to good

 

I don't think the Chantry's version what happened with Andraste are accurate. Pieces are missing, and as we all know from our own history, the winners are the one who write history. And the twist it into what they want it to be like.  

I think/my theory is that Andraste in fact was Mythal, returning to save her people from Tevinters clutches (Like Solas is now) She was betrayed and murdered. If Solas in fact was Shartan is a possibility that can't be overlooked.   

 

But this is only pure summorized speculations on my part. What my writer mind is reading in between the lines... and I'm not writing this story..

 

@Colonel

Nobody knew about the temple of sacred ashes or Haven either  before the Warden discovered them... 

There are still places left in the world (by the elves) unknown to the now living people in Thedas. 

 



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I know they re-use assets, so I'm not sure it has any significance or not.

 

I've decided that the Watcher is Dirthamen, since Flemythal created a Fade spot that has blood pouring from his face so I'm guessing he participated in her murder and she's planning to return the favor. He along with Falon'din is my best guess for who was stalking Felassan.

 

The only thing that makes me pause is the waterfalls in those caves being named Wolf Falls.

 

*hisses from the shadows*

 

Triple threat theory... come to the dark side...  @w@


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The thing about the Red Lyrium in the Fade... is it actual Red Lyrium, having somehow been brought there either via a Rift or having grown there originally? Or is it merely a construct and reflection of Red Lyrium that exists in the real world, due to people starting to dream about it, like the Red Templars, Seekers, etc?

 

We only ever travel in the Raw Fade after all, where you see a lot of things that are Fade manifestations of real things? Although, if Kieran is the OGB, we discover that an actual Eluvian has somehow been placed there at some point, by forces unknown? That is unless he was somehow able to make an Fade!Eluvian somehow real enough to connect to?

 

That's the problem with the Fade, what in there is real, slightly real and only mostly real is left completely up in the air?

 

:huh:

 

Or as Solas says, "It's all real." Basically, it may as well be. Red Lyrium didn't start popping up until the Breach into the fade.


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As far as the section of the fade that Kieran goes to- Flemeth specifically says that her power is greater in that specific location, leading me to assume she was the creator of it. It could be that they weren't truly in the fade at all, but one of those in between zones that Flemeth has staked out for herself. 

 

One thing that's interesting as far as the black city and Arlathan, the game mentions that if dwarves could dream then the rocks wouldn't fly. It seems like everything that's in the air is actually intended to be in the ground. So it makes sense that if the black city=Arlathan's shadow, it would be in the air with all the other things that are intended to be in the ground. 


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You know, maybe the way Cornflakes broke up our fort at the end and made it float is a hint. I've seen people saying they think Solas put Arlathan up in the veil that way. Maybe it indeed was split.

As I said, I like the idea of Skyhold being (a part of) Arlathan. I just do not understand how the architecture of it can feel so... "human"? Not Elven, at least. (Not Dwarven either, but about Qunari architecture I don't know anything.) I would expect an explanation for that, were Skyhold to be Elven in origin.


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