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#102001
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See, the problem with exclusives for me is that a lot of the excitement and hype has drained away by this point, replaced with irritation at the the whole business. Normally, I'd still get it right away and start playing, but, well...

Wild Hunt comes out tomorrow.  ^_^ Come Thursday, the gaming marathon shall begin. And then I imagine it'll be a while before I get around to Jaws of Haakon.

Er, not to say I won't still visit this thread. Because I believe I have received threats from certain Sihas of the forum that shall not be named.  :mellow:  :lol: Spoiler tags or a giant bolded JUST MOVE ALONG CADDIUS would still be appreciated, of course.  ;)

 

ILLYRIA MAY NOT WANT TO READ THIS would also help :D

 

And yeah, you're not allowed to leave again.  Your maps and theorycrafting were much missed.
 


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ILLYRIA MAY NOT WANT TO READ THIS would also help :D

 

And yeah, you're not allowed to leave again.  Your maps and theorycrafting were much missed.
 

*sigh* At least it's an interesting prison. :P

Now, the World of Thedas talks about lands beyond Thedas. It, er, wouldn't happen to have any maps showing Amaranth and the other places' general size and location, would it? *shifty glance*



#102003
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*sigh* At least it's an interesting prison. :P

Now, the World of Thedas talks about lands beyond Thedas. It, er, wouldn't happen to have any maps showing Amaranth and the other places' general size and location, would it? *shifty glance*

I wonder, too. I also wonder which lands are and aren't really 'fleshed out' story wise, as much as they are homages to other works of fiction.

 

ILLYRIA MAY NOT WANT TO READ THIS would also help :D

 

And yeah, you're not allowed to leave again.  Your maps and theorycrafting were much missed.
 

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I spoilered my last theory post just for you guys :D



#102004
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I'm a bit worried about JOH coming out since I'm still unlikely to play it any time soon (I got it the day it came out but didn't play it, then I cleared all my saves so I'm way off from the point in the game where I could play it, plus I modded my game again and I really don't know if JOH will even work now).

 

Avoiding untagged spoilers is going to be hard.

 

I somewhat understand your pain. I'll be moving to a new city on the 26th, the day JOH is finally available to me. So I probably won't be able to play for awhile either.

 

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#102005
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I somewhat understand your pain. I'll be moving to a new city on the 26th, the day JOH is finally available to me. So I probably won't be able to play for awhile either.

 

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It's my own fault.  I could've play it when it came out, but I didn't want to play DAI modless (I got too used to my improved Skyhold PJs).   I'm now able to install mods again, but have no idea if JOH will even work (I tried going into the BE and just got an endless loading screen.  Don't know if that was a glitch or the mods).

 

Why do I have to choose between DLC and decent PJs?  (I play as a mage so I also have to see those hideous beige pieces of bleh under every armour I wear).


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#102006
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It's my own fault.  I could've play it when it came out, but I didn't want to play DAI modless (I got too used to my improved Skyhold PJs).   I'm now able to install mods again, but have no idea if JOH will even work (I tried going into the BE and just got an endless loading screen.  Don't know if that was a glitch or the mods).

 

Why do I have to choose between DLC and decent PJs?  (I play as a mage so I also have to see those hideous beige pieces of bleh under every armour I wear).

I've just been choosing to splash random chemicals into my eyes whenever the beige PJ's that cannot be overthrown on the PS4 show up. :)


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#102007
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I've just been choosing to splash random chemicals into my eyes whenever the beige PJ's that cannot be overthrown on the PS4 show up. :)

 

The worst thing about the PJs is that mods show how easy it would be to turn them into something aesthetically pleasing and lore friendly.  Just having the option to dye the Skyhold outfit would make a huge difference. 
 



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The worst thing about the PJs is that mods show how easy it would be to turn them into something aesthetically pleasing and lore friendly.  Just having the option to dye the Skyhold outfit would make a huge difference. 
 

Here's hoping they add that option in a DLC that they only release a few weeks later for the non Xbox One and PC folk. :P

I will finally be able to make Inquisitor Caddius, complete with neon pink and green pajamas.  B)


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#102009
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Here's hoping they add that option in a DLC that they only release a few weeks later for the non Xbox One and PC folk. :P

I will finally be able to make Inquisitor Caddius, complete with neon pink and green pajamas.  B)

 

JOH is the only exclusive DLC. It's thought that's why it's basically a new area with its own plot rather than building on the game's plot.  As for the PJs: official word is they're not getting changed.

 

EDIT: I also assume that the dyeing (if added) would work the same way as the armour tinting so no neon colours.
 



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JOH is the only exclusive DLC. It's thought that's why it's basically a new area with its own plot rather than building on the game's plot.  As for the PJs: official word is they're not getting changed.

 

EDIT: I also assume that the dyeing (if added) would work the same way as the armour tinting so no neon colours.
 

WOOOOOOOOOOO-eh, wait, what? No PJ change?  :huh: Was that the price they paid to Mephistopheles Mythorrigan in return for getting out of the exclusivity quagmire?  :lol:

But anyways, that means we should all be able to freak out over Wolf Hunt at the same time.  ^_^


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#102011
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Aaaaaaaah lots to reply to! *head falls off* I'm sooo quadruple-posting....  :lol:

 

 

Whoa.  That was an aspect I hadn't considered before.  The story of Andraste has obvious parallels to Christianity's Jesus, but though Andraste's martyrdom ensured the freedom of her people, it seems to be Mythal who truly "suffers for our sins" in the larger picture.  She bears the weight of millennia of accumulated regret for the choices of her children: Gods, elves, and humans alike.
 
Noting, of course, that given Andraste's tight connection to Mythal, this cyclical sacrifice isn't new.  Earth-Mythal's death seems to punctuate every historic revolution as a harbinger of change, as it ties into the idea of triad magic hashed over here.
 
 
 
Yes.  I think the parallels are absolutely there. Pulling from an old post:
 

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I'm totally into the Schrödinger/multiverse thing. In a cyclical sense, I think that fiction and science go hand in hand in discovering these things and since all fiction is based on our existence, it is basically a given that there are physical representations of these concepts in a fantasy world like Thedas, the most obvious example being the Fade itself. I mean, spirits playing out the variations of what happened based on different opinions - why not also play out things that could be? All of the Fade is pretty much comprised of thought and emotion, i.e. anything that can be imagined is real there. (Totally Tel'aran'rhiod.)

I think there are distinct (and deliberate) parallels between Andraste and Jesus, the entire Chantry system is basically a good representation of the various stages of Christianity; in parallel to that, Mythal has the weight of pagan parallels that has a similar connection to Andraste as Jesus does to pagan religions; i.e. the incorporation of old beliefs in the new, the representation of concepts of mythology being reformulated to fit the Chantry model which is built around Jesus as a person. On this note, this is one reason why I am skeptical about Andraste being Mythal; I'm pretty sure there is a connection, but I am not convinced that they are one and the same for this exact reason. There are too many strong lines to be drawn between Christianity, pagan religions and the differences between the Chantry and the ancient pantheons of elves/humans. It would make little sense to me to diverge at this point unless Bioware is trying to point out the connections between our religions in a sense... Well, this treads on a very tenuous aspect of my theories regarding this. However, the sacrifice aspect is very telling; it would make sense in Mythal's context alone, just starting out from being a weaver of fate and the one who is witness to the ages; still, there seems to be more "someone nudged Andraste" in it for me, as she nudged our heroes to end up doing world-changing deeds.

 

I agree about the JoH parallels here...

 

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#102012
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I am completely torn about which save game to use.  :lol: My first had the same set-up as Siha's. Then I went back to Roche's path, and let's just say that kingslaying isn't the ultimate crime.  <_<

So considering the apparent allegiance choices in The Witcher 3, I could have a 'The Kings in the North' save, the 'Nilfy Cheap-Shot' save, and 'Y'know, I'm Sick of This Whole Racism Thing.'

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@Gwyvian: Here I thought I was being clever in thinking that comic book heroes are the new myths of our age, with countless reinterpretations and the classic 'origin' stories being told again...and again...and look there's a reboot with a/n (cash) infusion from another religion/company...and again.  :lol:

 

Well, you are clever.  :D All of the good stories reach down into the basic archetypes of humanity; we relate to them so much because they are about us inherently. As Ursula LeGuin puts it, ironically the deeper you go, the better you are and the less original you are. Originality is the holy grail of us authors, yet to create a truly compelling tale, you must reach into the realm of things which are universal; that's the reason why Shakespeare is immortal, because his plays are all about the most basic concepts of the human condition, they show us things which are familiar and the originality comes in how it is presented and how well you are lead to a conclusion about the greater questions of existence.

 

Off-topic: Iorveth.  :wub:  :wub:  :wub:  :wub:  My canon PT is probably going to be much like your no. 3, but I'm still vacillating a bit.


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#102013
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This.  Is.  Awesome.   Thank you!   Putting aside how it might potentially map to the universe at large, I would love to dig deeper into how it seems to map to Solas.  

 

We have a parallel for the persona- the god "masks" of Fen'Harel, Dirthamen and Falon'din.

 

The ego- literally Solas = "Pride" = Ego.  Not in the literal sense perhaps, but as a secondary layer of meaning, I'm almost certain it's intentional.

 

The shadow:  his partner OGS Falon'din, still connected but now repressed/relegated to the subconscious/Fade.   We know Solas harbors a fair bit of self-recrimination for the "cocky, brash" youth he used to be, back when Dirthamen and Falon'din shared a conscious mind.  He blames the Shadow side of himself for the conflict and misery that followed the failed rebellion, forgetting that it was objectively justified.  And given the hinted cyclical/fractal nature of the universe, I don't think it's coincidence that his Shadow is a fragment of the Sun: impulsiveness, anger, ambition, propensity for war, etc.  Push it down, try to suppress it, and Bad Things Happen.

 

Do you think Lavellan's role as a potential Anima might explain divergence in the romanced/non-romanced Solavellan path? (ie: does the Anima factor into the individuation process?)  

 

Given the larger picture, it seems like in order to fix the world, we might want to start with fixing Solas.  =w=  Pushing him to reconcile more completely with his Shadow side, this sublimated right brain with its (super useful!) empathy, abstract morality, and unrelenting drive to take action when faced with social injustice, could be key.  

 

*bows* You are very welcome.

 

I like this idea! Solas is god-territory, so it totally makes sense that he represents a fundamental element of the psyche and your analysis is spot on. In fact, you could say that his transformation from the cocky youth into his wiser, older self is a good indication that he has undergone at least part of the individuation process (and there are more steps required, I should think, going on the Lavellan romance being an option). Being who he is, he is also representative of individuation on a larger scale, too, if we look at the fate of the elves (and other races of Thedas, for that matter, but elves in particular); they have had to set aside their ego and have gone through a very painful process of learning humility, which purifies them as a collective until they are able to fully mature into a truly healthy body of existence. I think that this actually explains why he is so disenchanted with the Dalish, because they are literally clinging to pride, which he already knows is an inferior complex.

 

I do definitely see a connection between Lavellan and the anima; logically, as a mere being Solas' anima would be personified by her. The anima in individuation is the soul-image; i.e. in men it is the feminine aspects of his being and in women the masculine aspects; in Western culture we are largely taught to suppress these sides of ourselves, which causes a lot of disjointedness all around (e.g. in men it is behind fear and hate of women, among other things). To translate this aspect of the individuation process, this is the point where a man would descend into his shadow to confront the beast within, i.e. the neglected/feared/hated aspects of himself that are left to run wild, and his task is to slay this beast, yet the only way that he is able to accomplish this is to learn to love and accept these aspects and thus "tame" them. (Think Theseus and Ariadne's thread.) Both the "slaying of the beast" and the acceptance is necessary to truly work through the shadow realm and find your way out again. (I'm summarizing here, but in essence, this is a representation of the fundamental balance of genders in the psyche, one cannot exist without the other and similarly one cannot function without the other within a psyche.) To project this onto a larger scale, we see that Lavellan has the ability to sway Solas' beliefs about the world to a degree because she can influence him on a level (the anima level) that no one else can, and from her he accepts it. He listens to friends, too, of course, but it becomes a much more personal question for him I think if Lavellan is in a romance with him.

 

I agree, since Solas is who he is, it makes sense that the psyche of a god has such an influence on the world that he needs to be fixed (or reconciled with his shadow, as you say) in order for anything good to come out of his actions. Although he is a complete psyche unto himself with all the aspects of the anima within him, I tend to think that his is one of those psyches that has difficulty embracing this aspect of existence. Though, as a god, he would represent a particular aspect of people in particular with heavy emphasis on that aspect, and since all gods have a complete existence, it is almost required that there be an imbalance; this is why the pantheon exists in the first place, i.e. he by himself is not enough, or rather, he is not much without the rest of the pantheon (and here I would include the Forgotten Ones). In essence, I think this is at the heart of his catastrophic actions, because he eliminated the one element that gave him (and the people) a basic, working order of things, regardless of how violent or sour it had turned. I.e. his solution to seal away both the gods and the Forgotten Ones was the wrong way to go about it, especially seeing as he offered no alternative for the people to turn to, which lead to complete chaos and the eventual downfall of the Elvhen.

 

Of course, we don't really know what went down; I get the feeling that he acted out of necessity and he is possibly trying to free the pantheon, but what I don't know is whether this is a decision borne of regret that he developed after seeing the results of his actions, or whether he regretted doing what he did originally and only did it because even a bad plan is better than having no plan.

 

In general, I think a Lavellan romance would be very much canonical to the future events of DA if Solas is going to keep on doing whatever it is that he's doing (and we basically see that he is up to something still). Of course, this being a game of choices, there has to be an implementation of influence for other Inquisitors, too; I would imagine that there has to be more emphasis on the romance, however, regardless of this fact.


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#102014
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Well, you are clever.  :D All of the good stories reach down into the basic archetypes of humanity; we relate to them so much because they are about us inherently. As Ursula LeGuin puts it, ironically the deeper you go, the better you are and the less original you are. Originality is the holy grail of us authors, yet to create a truly compelling tale, you must reach into the realm of things which are universal; that's the reason why Shakespeare is immortal, because his plays are all about the most basic concepts of the human condition, they show us things which are familiar and the originality comes in how it is presented and how well you are lead to a conclusion about the greater questions of existence.

 

Off-topic: Iorveth.  :wub:  :wub:  :wub:  :wub:  My canon PT is probably going to be much like your no. 3, but I'm still vacillating a bit.

Agreed on pretty much everything you've said these last two posts. :D

I used to have a lot of trouble writing 'realistically', and I had to do pass checks with more 'normal' people. Eventually I realized that I just needed to incorporate the protagonists' and their different way of looking at things into the story, and see how it'd interact with the more usual woes of people.  :lol:

Again, does anyone have any suggestions for which playthrough movie thing to throw at my SO? If there was only enough time for either Iorveth or Roche? They both cover different and equally delightful ground, though.  :unsure: Of course, it's difficult to know without playing Wild Hunt first, to know what actually shows up again in the story.

 

One of the possible pagan comparisons for the elven gods is how the Tevinter Imperium (Rome) seemed to have incorporated many aspects of Arlathan (Greece and her many spin-offs, colonies, renegade kingdoms, and action figure lines. :P ) religion into their own native one. This syncretism is what makes theory-crafting about the relations between the Elven Pantheon and the Old Gods so damn frustrating; how much of it was deliberately muddled by the Tevinter priesthood, and how much sounds similar because they were actually similar?

One thing I always found fascinating was how the Romans identified Ares with their god of farming and war, Mars, and started combing a lot of the stories. But the Romans had a more positive view of warfare than the Greeks at the time. The Greek Ares was a bloodthirsty brute that ran wailing back to Olympus after Diomedes managed to pain him (The Illiad, if I remember correctly.). Mars was a dignified, powerful god that watched over his sons as they guarded and expanded Roman civilization to the shores of the Mediterranean. If the story made Mars seem like too much of an idiot, they were happy to edit it. "Those Greeks don't know what they're talking about."

The other classic example comes from Norse mythology. Most of what we have came from after the Christianization of Scandinavia, which leads to things like Baldur taking on a Christ role after Ragnarok, and the demonization of Loki. Then we have the added ugliness of my forebears in the Roman Fan Club deliberately playing up the parallels between Norse mythology and Greeco-Roman mythology. It could be legitimate and be on account of shared roots, say to the Indo-European tribes north of the Black Sea. Or it could be exaggeration and misunderstanding.

I feel like Solas gives an understanding nod and sigh whenever he sees talk about this kind of thing.  :lol:


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#102015
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Completely random question for the thread, since I tried finding the answer already and I can't. Do any of you perchance know what this was in the Temple of Mythal? Random fun-filled shenanigans, or was there a reason to it? All I could make out of it was snake eating tail. And cheese. Lots of cheese.

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Completely random question for the thread, since I tried finding the answer already and I can't. Do any of you perchance know what this was in the Temple of Mythal? Random fun-filled shenanigans, or was there a reason to it? All I could make out of it was snake eating tail. And cheese. Lots of cheese.

mythaldiagram.jpg

 

Runes similar to the ones you find in the ruins Solas sends you to find the first artifact, as well as on the ground in red in the flashback to Corypheus opening the Breach and killing Divine Justinia. :)

I imagine he got the design from Mythal/Fen'Harel's Orb in the first place, and that it was a very powerful ritual layout that the Arlathani used.


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#102017
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Runes similar to the ones you find in the ruins Solas sends you to find the first artifact, as well as on the ground in red in the flashback to Corypheus opening the Breach and killing Divine Justinia. :)

I imagine he got the design from Mythal/Fen'Harel's Orb in the first place, and that it was a very powerful ritual layout that the Arlathani used.

Ahhh thank you! And apparently they are familiar with the power of cheese.


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#102018
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Ahhh thank you! And apparently they are familiar with the power of cheese.

SOLAS: Tevinter built their empire from the rinds of my people. 

:lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


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#102019
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*demands posted thesis*   @w@

 

I have to admit, though- it sounds like it skirts an aspect of Campbell-Jungian thought that always sets my teeth on edge: the fetishization of the unknown and the idea that modern life has a gaping hole where the gods used to be.  

 

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I'm probably arguing a straw man given my weak grasp on Jung, but to me, the rational/scientific drive to understand the world does nothing to diminish it.  If anything (personally speaking) it actually enhances the sense of ego-deflating awe he associates with deity worship.  Understanding the Sun to be an almost unimaginably vast, roiling nuclear inferno millions of miles away with a critical role in the paper-thin balance of life on Earth is far more awe-inspiring to me than if it was a mysterious, life-giving orb hanging in the sky.

 

*bites down on the urge to yell C'MON FIGHT ME at Jung's gravestone*

 

Anyway, the core concept (games as a way to engage personal mythopoesis) could very well be the point for Bioware.  The subtext that the struggle to maintain Balance between Order/Chaos is universal, that the Hero's Journey continues outside the game world, and that free will / choice is modern magic all seem to point at that general idea.

 

"Nice work saving Thedas, now get out there and change the World."  ^w^

 

Your wish is my command! Although, I shan't post it directly as it is 52 pages long, but I can offer a link....

 

Well, it might skirt it, but I can add a disclaimer to that: I love science. (And Tyson! :wub: ) I'm obsessed with it, and I would never, ever suggest that it doesn't have a place in the world as opposed to some mystery; yet I support the mystery aspect of existence exactly because I see it treated so shoddily in some circles. I believe in balance and in my mind these things must both exist in the world. I also believe that there is a good deal of intermingling to be had here; just as my muse as an artist is often expressed in science and science is often expressed in my works as much as possible, I think that both of these need to evolve hand in hand, i.e. my beliefs are not diminished at all by what I learn and what I learn in no way diminishes my beliefs and I think in general that's the way it should be. At least, that's what I stand for.

 

Plus, I also have to point out that I believe there is a fundamental distinction between mythology and religion, which may seem counter-intuitive at first glance, so let me expound on that briefly. My reason is that I believe that mythology is basically the ancient version of the science of psychology; it does tell stories of gods, demi-gods, heroes and legends, yet all of it inherently describes basic processes that go on within the psyche of an individual, of society and of the collective. There are literally parallels for almost everything you can think of regarding the human condition, yet it is also blatantly self-evident that ancient mythology is no longer really applicable to the modern world (and that includes the vast leaps we've made in science); to that end, I think that genre fiction is basically an answer to that. Mythopoesis in general is an answer to that: we are reconstructing mythology to include elements of existence that are missing, yet I would argue that there is a need in humans to understand themselves which, up until a certain point in history, was provided by mythology and is ultimately absent, albeit with the strides that psychology has made, the world is leaning towards a basic acceptance of the fact that there might be something here. I studied history a lot and I began seeing a pattern related to this: every time one side of this coin came up, there was always an answer to that on the other side, so when religion and belief dominated, there was a great effort to push forward in science and when ratio became the only thing that was spoken of without mockery, art and creativity pushed its way forward and provided succor for the humanities.

 

In short, I am arguing that folklore in general needs legitimacy, but I want to do that in a way that completes the picture, not takes away from it. Basically I feel that genre fiction is important and I see that there is a reason why people are so drawn to it and are consumed by it, even if many people believe that it's just a waste of time and energy. In a lot of corners of the world playing a video game, for instance, is supposed to be detrimental because it encourages you to "drift away" from reality, and  this in a world where reality is venerated to the point of absurdity; this imbalance I see is expressed in a kind of awkward acceptance of fantasy in socially acceptable forums, e.g. reality television: it is complete fiction, inane fiction at at that, yet we are legitimized for watching it because it's "real." Just so with documentaries (which I also studied): they are accepted as always presenting cold, hard fact, when that is actually humanly impossible to achieve with complete objectivity. This is not to suggest that there isn't a great deal of delicious goodies in reality and I definitely wholeheartedly support science as something vital to human existence and ultimate survival (astrophysics has a special place in my heart...  :wub: I wanted to be an astronomer since I was little, but art kind of hijacked me), yet that does not change the fact that I see society as a whole is yearning for an understanding which has kind of been shunted aside. It is also true that we live in a world of extremes (especially in the States for reasons which I won't expound upon here because, well, my wall of text quota is getting egregious) where fanaticism and dogmatic scientism both exist side by side, yet to my mind this is also a symptom of imbalance; I believe in neither being a good path really, because both of them involve a shutting out of anything beyond that particular way of thinking. I believe that true science starts from skepticism and a true skeptic always doubts everything, including their own ideas and beliefs. In general, I support video games not only because I love playing them, but because I think they are important to humanity, though I'm fully prepared to be laughed at for that belief, but I will use the academic forum to prove my belief based on good old empirical evidence, I would have it no other way.

 

And I agree, Bioware is definitely all about this, as are a lot of quality RPG's out there. (I so would love to work for them as a scriptwriter.  :wub: )


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#102020
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I'm so glad these deep, philosophical conversations are back.  Thank you so much WoT2.


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#102021
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I'm sorry, this is COMPLETELY offtopic, but the recent Game of Thrones episode PISSED ME OFF. I AM SO ANGRY THAT IT WAS OVER. HOW DARE THEY END IT WHEN THE EPISODE WAS GETTING SO AMAZING.

 

Now then, time for some Dragon Age fan fiction writing (to publish or not to publish ...) to get over my anger. Cole, where are you when I need you. 

 

Oh, I share your pain. *silently exploding* Solas thread helps with everything, though!  :D

 

(This might be my shortest response yet.  :huh: Such things exist.....)



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I'm so glad these deep, philosophical conversations are back.  Thank you so much WoT2.

 

I'm glad WOT2 includes so much in-universe literature (the Chant of Light?  Oh yes).  Means I can put my literary analysis cap on.
 


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I'm glad WOT2 includes so much in-universe literature (the Chant of Light?  Oh yes).  Means I can put my literary analysis cap on.
 

*glances at bookcase*

*glances at wallet*

...:(

I'll just wait for people to post more juicy bits to dissect.  :lol:


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*glances at bookcase*

*glances at wallet*

... :(

I'll just wait for people to post more juicy bits to dissect.  :lol:

 

It's not the full Chant of Light. But it's got parts that have never been seen in the games before, plus I'm pretty sure it's got all sections that have been used in the codices throughout the games.

 

But there's an entire page of qunari phrases, a recipe book, a book of children's stories and a report on Sera complete with her amendments.  No doodles of bees and boobs, though. 
 

If you're interested I can type up the in-universe analysis of the poem I shared earlier.


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Agreed on pretty much everything you've said these last two posts. :D

I used to have a lot of trouble writing 'realistically', and I had to do pass checks with more 'normal' people. Eventually I realized that I just needed to incorporate the protagonists' and their different way of looking at things into the story, and see how it'd interact with the more usual woes of people.  :lol:

Again, does anyone have any suggestions for which playthrough movie thing to throw at my SO? If there was only enough time for either Iorveth or Roche? They both cover different and equally delightful ground, though.  :unsure: Of course, it's difficult to know without playing Wild Hunt first, to know what actually shows up again in the story.

 

One of the possible pagan comparisons for the elven gods is how the Tevinter Imperium (Rome) seemed to have incorporated many aspects of Arlathan (Greece and her many spin-offs, colonies, renegade kingdoms, and action figure lines. :P ) religion into their own native one. This syncretism is what makes theory-crafting about the relations between the Elven Pantheon and the Old Gods so damn frustrating; how much of it was deliberately muddled by the Tevinter priesthood, and how much sounds similar because they were actually similar?

One thing I always found fascinating was how the Romans identified Ares with their god of farming and war, Mars, and started combing a lot of the stories. But the Romans had a more positive view of warfare than the Greeks at the time. The Greek Ares was a bloodthirsty brute that ran wailing back to Olympus after Diomedes managed to pain him (The Illiad, if I remember correctly.). Mars was a dignified, powerful god that watched over his sons as they guarded and expanded Roman civilization to the shores of the Mediterranean. If the story made Mars seem like too much of an idiot, they were happy to edit it. "Those Greeks don't know what they're talking about."

The other classic example comes from Norse mythology. Most of what we have came from after the Christianization of Scandinavia, which leads to things like Baldur taking on a Christ role after Ragnarok, and the demonization of Loki. Then we have the added ugliness of my forebears in the Roman Fan Club deliberately playing up the parallels between Norse mythology and Greeco-Roman mythology. It could be legitimate and be on account of shared roots, say to the Indo-European tribes north of the Black Sea. Or it could be exaggeration and misunderstanding.

I feel like Solas gives an understanding nod and sigh whenever he sees talk about this kind of thing.  :lol:

 

I know what you mean; it's a process that I think everyone who has ever tried their hand at creative writing has to go through, because truly the first thing that you think of is "my work has to be original!" and that essentially puts a block on this fundamental truth from day 1. If you're lucky, you have a knack for creating realistic characters to begin with which makes your work plausible (the TRUE holy grail of writers) enough to back you up as you develop your talent, but even so it's always difficult to be able to let go of the need to be the first of your kind in a sense, because ultimately you write because you want to be read and reading is inextricably linked to being original.

 

Oh, yes! (Rome!) I tend to think that there is a lot to support a similar transition here as between the Greek/Roman gods. This full adaptation of gods basically underlines the similarities/distinctions between the elven pantheon and the Old Gods, because ultimately elven beliefs are basically not quite about humans enough for there to be a full transference; I would lean towards deliberate muddling being a definite factor in this. Also, this magpie style of incorporating cultures and religions is very suggestive of a human empire in general; the Roman Empire conquered people not just through the sword, but by incorporating whole chunks of culture and in part this was their strength, because they essentially didn't become conquerors, merely the new higher order to be respected. (Seanchan, by the way.) Norse mythology also fits in nicely into this scheme and I suspect a similar issue of integration going on as you suggest, definitely; down to the fact that we know so little of the pure form of the religion that it's difficult to get a good grasp of any of this. (SUCH REALISM! *sigh* Should I laugh or should I cry? :D )

 

Off-topic: I just got my shipping confirmation for Witcher 3:wub:  :wub:  :wub: Let's hope I don't have to wait a month for it like I did for Inquisition.  :pinched: Richmond, CA.......... may no package of mine ever darken your doorstep again.


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