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[Nehn]

So after looking waaaaaaaaay back in these forums I found this video from Mims:

My apologies if someone has posted this. Someone ran some comparison shots to determine where Solas and Flemeth are at the end of the game. Could be reused models too, but, it does seem uncanny that the same wall is in both. 

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=4RMVmZX1WA0

My question is, if that is really the same location, how did it become bright and alive in the epilogue? Could the darkness just be there because no one is supposed to see it and it's actually bright and alive? Or could it just be a coincidence? 

 

edit: The person who took the flycam shots said: 

In the actual stream (which you can't see here because I cut it out), I actually removed the fog and you can see the foliage that is just the same as the epilogue.

[Nehn]

ALSO ... I have no idea if I'm spoiling everything for myself, but at the end of the the quest What Pride Had Wrought the spirit that tells the Inquisitor to go through the mirror is actually a human spirit. Could that actually be Flemeth? Here's a picture: 

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[Siha]

So those scary PS4 people I mentioned? I will sic them on anyone who spoils Wild Hunt while I'm waiting to get it on Thursday. (Yes, Siha, you're included in the scary people this time. )

 

Don't worry. There are a few people who consider me scary, even if for other reasons; better safe than sorry. In any case your struggle is real. *evil laugh*

Just hope I won't get drunk before you're through. 

 

I've always had my suspicions about Sable.   And Siha. And the Colonel. And Madrar. And Illyria. And Sifr. And the guy that gives me my paranoia pills. 

 

Just imagine I were a voice actress, dev, and the guy who gives you your paranoia pills. I mean... just... hypothetically... you know...

[lynroy]

ALSO ... I have no idea if I'm spoiling everything for myself, but at the end of the the quest What Pride Had Wrought the spirit that tells the Inquisitor to go through the mirror is actually a human spirit. Could that actually be Flemeth? Here's a picture: 

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The human ears are dev oversight actually. I recall that they didn't think the figure would be clear enough to be seen.

[Illyria]

So those scary PS4 people I mentioned? I will sic them on anyone who spoils Wild Hunt while I'm waiting to get it on Thursday. (Yes, Siha, you're included in the scary people this time. )

Also, I'll send you a lot of frowny faces. And GIF's of Merrill making frowny faces. 

Considering how, well, ridiculously considerate this thread has been about spoilers for an expansion that's actually part of this game, I don't think I have anything to worry about, it's just fun to threaten people on occasion. 

 

No need to worry about me giving away stuff.  I only just brought the first game (I blame this thread).

 

I've always had my suspicions about Sable.   And Siha. And the Colonel. And Madrar. And Illyria. And Sifr. And the guy that gives me my paranoia pills. 

 

*innocent whistling*

[Sister_Squish]

 

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And speaking of Akenhaten and the Egyptions, now you've gotten me thinking of the fun parallels between Aten and the Maker, both monotheistic solar deities that replaced a previously diverse pantheon of other gods? The only difference is that the Cult of the Maker was far more successful than Akhenaten's cult?

 

 

If I was one of the devs, I'd definitely troll you guy with cryptic hints more often... but sadly I'm not... (at least, not yet...)

 

(Seriously Bioware, I'd love a job...)

 

 

  I am bothered that our "Egyptian" elements seem to be shared all over the Thedosian map! We have Pyramids of Par Vollen, emblaming of Nevarra, and this wonderful parallel between the Cult of Andraste and the Sun Cult. (Anyone able to clarify the geography of these things would be splendid!) Now we also have the striking resemblance to the "spiritual waters" of The Nile in that section of The Chant of Light pertaining to a battle in "the lands of "Planasene" (Nevarra): 

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World of Thedas 2, pp. 52-53 

 

War with the Planasene

(6) The power of Neromenian grew sevenfold.

And with it, Antoridus' heart grew hard. And he looked 

Upon the lands of the Planasene to the South, and said: 

"There upon the plains I see a land of plenty. 

The branches bear fruit until they bow to the ground, 

And sheaves of wheat go to rot, forgotten, in the fields."

 

(7) So once again, in the lands of King Antoridus

The people of Neromenian girded for war. Seven thousand strong

Carried spear and bow to the South. To forge anew

The land of plenty in the name of the king. 

 

(8) In the lands of the South, on the banks

Of the River Pnemoix, the people heard the croaking of ravens

And were afraid. They cried out to their king, Damertes,

To save them from the coming storm. 

 

  Damartes consults his Oracles

(9) The King of the Planasene, sorely troubled, 

From amongst the wisest of the people gathered

A council to prepare for the arrival of the enemy. 

And the sages went forth and looked to the stars, 

Drew water from the sacred River Pnemoix, 

With hope that the fate of Inghirsh might not be shared. 

 

(10) And the Great Blade of Heaven revealed

An attack would come in secret, from the East. 

And the Swift carried with it news that the men of the North

Would set the fields of Planasene alight before them. 

 

(11)And lo, the sages returned to their King Damertes

And girded the warriors of Planesene with talismans

Carved from serpentstone and anointed their brows 

With the waters of the sacred Pnemoix, 

And sent them forth to battle with Neromenian. 

 

(12) Damertes decreed that all men and women of the kingdom

To the fields of the East journey with vessels drawn

From the Sacred Pnemoix. And for three days and three nights

They anointed the fields that the river's blessing

Might keep the fires of the dragon's children at bay. 

 

The armies clash

(13) On the eve of the battle, the armies of Antoridus raised their voices

In praise to their demon gods for the victory to come, 

While the armies of Damertes called out in supplication to the Maker. 

No darkness could hide the fears of Planasene,

No star could outshine the sureness of Neromenian.

 

Part 2:

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(14) As the sun rose, the armies girded themselves, 

And the dragons' children put flame to the fields of Planasene, 

But the sacred Pnemoix protected them, and they did not burn. 

 

(15) The army of Antoridus, seven thousand strong, raised their bows

And a terrible thunder rang out, and the sky went black with arrows,

And though they raised their shields, a rain of death fell

Upon the Planasene, whose blood anointed the fields.

 

(16) A mighty cry of rage went up from the army of Darmertes

To see their brothers and sisters struck down.

And the army of Antoridus answered

With the thunder of spears beating shields.

 

(17) And the soldiers of the demon charged,

Spears thirsting for the blood of the Maker's children.

And the army of Damertes readied their shields.

 

(18) The righteous stood before the armies

As a boulder stands before a tide:

Unshaken, rooted there by the Maker's Hand.

And the demon's soldiers broke upon their shields

As a wave breaks upon the shore.

 

(19) As the sun set upon the fields of the Planasene,

The armies of Neromenian had taken no steps into the lands of the faithful.

But the fields ran red. And great were the lamentations of the living

For the countless Dead of Damertes.

 

Damertes Forsakes the Maker

 (20) In the deep hours of the night, King Damertes sought

Counsel from his sages, for he knew

His army could not withstand another day against the dragon's children

And the wisest of the sages of Planasene consulted the stars

And found nothing.

 

(21)In desperation, King Damertes turned to pagan soothsayers, saying:

"Find me a demon with the strength to counter Neromenian's."

And they reached into the darkest realms of the dream

And found one who promised Damertes

To turn aside the spears of Antoridus

If he would forsake the Maker and praise only the name."

 

Here is the Hymn to the Nile from the nineteenth/twentieth dynasties of the New Kingdom of Egypt (oh hey history books ): 

 

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"Hail to you, that issues from the earth and comes to keep Egypt alive!...

He that waters the meadows which Re created, in order to keep every kid alive. 

He that makes to drink the desert and the place distant from water: that is his dew coming down from heaven...

The lord of fishes, he who makes the marsh-birds to go upstream...

He who makes barley and brings emmer [wheat] into being, that he may make the temples festive. If he is sluggish, then nostrils are stopped up, and everybody is poor... 

When he rises, then the land is in jubilation, then every belly is in joy, every backbone takes on laughter, and every tooth is exposed. 

The bringer of food, rich in provisions, creator of all good, lord of majesty, sweet of fragrance... 

He who makes every beloved tree to grow, without lack of them."

 

And Hymn to the Pharaoh:

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"He has come unto us that he may carry away Upper Egypt; the double diadem [crown of upper and lower Egypt] has rested on his head. 

He has come unto us and has united the Two Lands; he has mingled the Reed with the Bee [symbols of lower and upper Egypt].

He has come unto us and has brought back the Black Land under his sway; he has apportioned to himself the Red Land. 

He has come unto and has taken the Two Lands under his protection; he has given peace to the Two Riverbanks. 

He has come unto us and has made Egypt to live; he has banished its suffering. 

He has come unto us and has made the people to live; he has caused the throat of the subjects to breathe... 

He has come unto us and has done battle for his boundaries; he has delivered them that were robbed."

 

  This Hymn seems to reflect the reported gratitude of the Egyptian people for their Pharaoh in the time after a major drought, caused by low levels of the Nile and a decline in rainfall - bringing about economic troubles and in turn the eventual collapse of the Old Kingdom (2180-2055 BCE). A so-called prophet named "Neferti" wrote during it's peak: 

 "This land is so damaged that there is no one who is concerned with it, no one who speaks , no one who weeps.... The sun disk is covered over. It will not shine so that people may see... The rivers of Egypt are empty, so that the water is crossed on foot. Men seek for water for the ships to sail on it... This land is helter skelter, and no one knows the result of what will come about, which is hidden from speech, sight, or hearing." (Pritchard, Ancient Near Eastern Texts) 

*Coughdemons/badgods* 

  Since Pharaohs were regarded as the earthly embodiment of Re/Atum, recovery from this catastrophe became attributed to the divine presence of the Pharaoh of that period. 

 

Specific to Aten

This all happened in an intermediate Period between the Old and Middle Kingdoms. Later, in the New Kingdom, Amenhotep IV introduced the worship of Aten, god of the sun disk, as the chief god. He changed his name to Akhenaten ("Servant of Aten"), and closed the temples of other gods - especially endeavoring to lessen the power of the priesthood dedicated to the god Amon-Re at Thebes (most powerful city of the time). He built an entire new city called Akhetaten ("Horizon of Aten") and declared it the new capital. 

  Ultimately though, he failed - after his death, Egypt returned to the way it was. It had been too much to expect Egyptians to ignore what they felt was the very cosmic order on which Egypt's survival depended. 

 

Akhenaten's Hymn to Aten:

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"Your rays suckle every meadow. 

When you rise, they live, they grow for you,

You make the seasons in order to rear all that you have made, 

The winter to cool them, 

And the heat that they may taste you. 

You have made the distant sky in order to rise therein, 

In order to see all that you do make. 

While you were alone, 

Rising in your form as the living Aten, 

Appearing, shining, withdrawing and approaching, 

You made millions of forms of yourself alone.

 

Cities, towns, fields, road and river - 

Every eye beholds you over against them, 

For you are the Aten of the day over the earth... 

The world came into being by your hand,

According as you have made them. 

When you have risen they live, 

When you set they die. 

You are lifetime your own self,

For one lives only through you.

Eyes are fixed on beauty until you set. 

All work is laid aside when you set in the west. 

But when you rise again, 

Everything is made to flourish for the king... 

Since you did found the earth

And raise them up for your son, 

Who came forth from your body: the King of Upper

   and Lower Egypt... Akhen-en-Aten... and the 

Chief Wife of the King... Nefert-iti, living and youthful forever and ever."

 

Scholars have argued that there may be a connection to the remarkably similar 104th Psalm of the Old Testament: 

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"The moon marks off the seasons.

and the sun knowns when to go down. 

 

You bring darkness, it becomes night, 

and all the beasts in the forest prowl.

 

The lions roar for their prey

and seek their food from God. 

 

The sun rises, and they steal away; 

they return and lie down in their dens. 

 

The man goes out to his work, 

to his labour until evening. 

 

How many are your works, O Lord! 

In wisdom you made them all; 

the earth is full of your creatures." 

Etc etc.

 

I kind of like the "disk" in the Sun "disk" God implying a reflective surface... a mere reflection of a "real" god (If this does parallel Andraste then pssst, girl, your maker is well suspicious!) 

The devs totally read this thread and leave breadcrumbs for us 

[Nehn]

The human ears are dev oversight actually. I recall that they didn't think the figure would be clear enough to be seen.

I hope you're right or else that would be something mind blowing.

It would mean Mythal was actually human or Flemeth somehow projecting her spirit self.

I'll just go with the devs being overworked and using a human model mistakenly.

[BoscoBread]

I hope you're right or else that would be something mind blowing.

It would mean Mythal was actually human or Flemeth somehow projecting her spirit self.

I'll just go with the devs being overworked and using a human model mistakenly.

They are.  The devs clarified that in a statement. Gaider/Weekes or maybe even Laidlaw confirmed this on twitter. The art dept. flubbed.  It seems they rushed that well scene overall.  Weekes was supposed to write extra dialogue for Solas so he actually begs you not to drink but totes forgot.  I feel that - was a bigger oversight. I think a lot more people may have hesitated on drinking if he was actually imploring you not to.  Emo-Solas is usually a bad sign.

[Sifr]

Here's some food for thought;

 

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In all of her depictions we've seen, Andraste is always wearing a head-dress.

 

We never see her ears.

 

So... how do we know she was actually human?

 

[Siha]

Here's some food for thought;

Spoiler

In all of her depictions we've seen, Andraste is always wearing a head-dress.

We never see her ears.

So... how do we know she was actually human?

Nobody has ever seen Batman and me together in one place at the same time either. Just saying.

[Nehn]

They are.  The devs clarified that in a statement. Gaider/Weekes or maybe even Laidlaw confirmed this on twitter. The art dept. flubbed.  It seems they rushed that well scene overall.  Weekes was supposed to write extra dialogue for Solas so he actually begs you not to drink but totes forgot.  I feel that - was a bigger oversight. I think a lot more people may have hesitated on drinking if he was actually imploring you not to.  Emo-Solas is usually a bad sign.

Totally. If Solas acted as he had after I drank from the well my Inquisitor may have hesitated before drinking! Though I know she'd still drink ... 

What terrible timing it is to break up with Lavellan after that quest and his rant back at Skyhold. I would think the Inquisitor would believe the breakup would be over her drinking from the well (If the player chose to) or her face (if they didn't drink from the well).

 

I wish they had been given more time,but overall the game was beautifully done. My biggest issue was my DALISH Inquisitor not knowing who MYTHAL was. Though I read from Weekes (Or Gaider?) via twitter that it was a bug that still hasn't been fixed. 

 

Damn my wall of rambling text! 

[Sifr]

Nobody has ever seen Batman and me together in one place at the same time either. Just saying.

 

I knew it!

 

But yeah, it's not like it's the first time we've seen the Chantry rapidly alter the facts to suit them?

[Caddius]

@SisterSquish: Hmm. That passage is very interesting. The Planasene (The ancestors of modern-day Nevarranas and Free Marchers) are portrayed as worshipers of the Maker who only turned to what is either the Old Gods or a powerful demon in desperation as the Neromenian army kept pushing on. So we've got a migrating Neromenian army, an established Planasene, Maker-worshiping kingdom. Hmm.

The Neromenians are referred to as the 'dragon's children', which probably means they've already taken up Old God worship, so it's likely past 4800, when the Old Gods first began talking to the Neromenian Dreamers. Arlathan is still around at the time. 

I'm curious as to whether this is an Andrastian re-interpretation of the heroic proto-Andrastian Southerners standing up against the proto-Tevinter Imperium and pagans, or if the Planasene were one of the Maker-worshiping groups that pre-dated the worship of the Old Gods.

[madrar]

The Qunari fables are quite charming. 

What instantly seized my attention was 'until she came to the ruins of a temple from the ignorant times'. The fable is set in the Qunari homeland, and we get our first glimpse beyond 'some kind of animism' of the pre-Qun religion, or the true religion of the kossith.

"Seek the light, and there find safety in me." Now that's interesting, isn't it? It smacks of Corypheus talking about how, "We sought...the Golden light..." back in Legacy. The Maker is associated with light and fire, it seems, as was Elgar'nan the Son of the Sun, and the Sun. Am I missing anything? 

 

Sylaise, in theory.  Though judging from the ToM mosaics it seems likely that, like Elgar'nan, her connection to fire is red-lyrium-as-flame.  

 

*buries her head in her hands*

 

All of this runs headfirst into one of the most persistent lore-tangles in my head: the distinction between light and fire, and which the Sun actually represents.  Look away if  madness is not your thing- I'm pretty much just trying to talk myself through the idea at this point.  

 

Milton and the Cathar would tell us that the Sun is the Good God maligned by history and the ascendance of Order, but that perspective is far too simple: remember the pointless chaos of the symphony orchestra when every player chooses her own tune and volume and cares nothing for harmony.  The power of choice and free will is dependent on both Order and Chaos.  Enough chaos for the individual to be free to choose, enough order to make that choice lasting and meaningful.

 

I'm half-convinced that Solas is the third, true Sun.   Or rather, he has the potential to be the combined light of both Sun and Moon- humanistic enlightenment, self-interest tamed by empathy - the Sun of Balance, caught between the Sun of Chaos and the False Sun of Order.  But taking that perspective would make the Sun's 'glorious' rebirth via the Stone slightly problematic. 

 

JOH spoiler:

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JoH definitely complicated things.  When the gods created sentient life - when a conscious mind emerged from the subconscious of the reptile and midbrain - it provided a means for the mind that is the universe to choose to change itself.  Old habits and ways of thought - gods - could be killed and their energies redirected/reborn as new, useful, positive entities.   We've seen this firsthand with the Avvar, and we have strong hints that this process may have been the intended fate of the Sun.  

 

As mentioned a few pages back, I believe the Sun is the entity responsible for the indeterministic universe, and thus (in DA) the potential for free will and choice in the sentient beings of Thedas.  Order provides Life (the brainstem), Mythal provides the Soul (emotion/memory of the midbrain) and the (true) Sun provides Will (the conscious mind, the frontal lobes of the brain).  Our encounter with Erasthenes also provides a direct in-game connection between the idea of free will / choice and butterfly imagery.   Erasthenes, as we know, has been stripped of free will.  He is a helpless puppet- still alive, with memories and emotions- it is the third piece of being whole that he lacks, and this is how he describes his condition:

 

"I am a ruin, the jeweled husk when the butterfly leaves."

 

The butterfly, he suggests, can be taken as a symbol of free will- an apt fit, given that this seems to be Chaos' domain and gift to sentient life: a nonlinear, chaotic universe (with bonus literal connection to the butterfly effect).  In that light, the potential for the Stone to be, in effect, a chrysalis from which the reformed Sun is intended to be reborn is hard to shake.

 

Relevant to this line of thought is the juxtaposition between the above and what we find on page 67 of WoT2:

 

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The book presents this image with the note "The Magisters face judgement", implying that this figure represents the essence of the Maker that they encountered.  And what is it?   Although drawn with sun-like beams of light emerging from its crown, the features are unmistakable: this is a moth.  A false butterfly.  A creature of darkness, drawn inescapably to light, but self-negated in its attempt to embrace the false light of the Sun, the flame.  

 

Lord, I am utter crap at explaining the things in my head.  Does anyone see what I'm getting at here?

 

In theory, we have two entities trapped underground at this point - Elgar'nan in the Black City and the Sun in the Stone, and we can't be entirely sure which is inserting itself into the Chant as "the fire at the heart of the world", because in theory they both have a direct line into the mind of humanity.  (That said, it almost has to be Elgar'nan, doesn't it?  That whole passage is all about obedience, servitude, abject humility- it's all Order suppressing the individual.  "For I walk only where You would bid me / Stand only in places You have blessed / Sing only the words You place in my throat" and the poor gullible sap's reward for unthinking obedience is that their soul is "made to rest in the warmest places" ie: the Abyss, Hell.)   On the one hand, this perspective feels way too Black/White, Good/Evil for the overall theme- but maybe the point isn't that Order is evil in and of itself, but that Elgar'nan (in attempting to bring Chaos under control by suppressing the Sun and usurping his domain) absolutely is.

 

 I'm starting to think red lyrium is actually just the natural consequence of the Sun as Chaos - a cancer due to incidental genetic damage - whose essential nature has been twisted by Order to its own purpose in Blight.   That said, given that red lyrium seems to be represented as flame in contexts like the ToM mosaics, how do we explain Corypheus' description of the "darkness" he found in the Black City?  It could be considered a false "light of the Maker", I suppose- but  it's still not darkness.  It's not void.  Not unless it's already been tinkered with.  ...right?

 

*buries her head in her hands again*

 

Creators, take pity on us.  Just one little thread to straighten this whole mess out...

[madrar]

Well, once we're on the subject of debates....   any good argument deserves a challenge. 

 

QFT.   If a theory can't withstand critique, it doesn't deserve the brain space.  Nobody here should ever hold back from ripping apart my posts because they're worried about bruised feelings or stepping on toes.

 

Tear it all apart, rip out the bits that don't work, sew it back together.  Rinse, repeat.

 

I have faith we'll eventually get this monster to live.  @w@

[madrar]

This would actually be awesome to experience. I seriously love these guys. 

 

*watches*

 

That God guy that dropped in a while back made me narrow my eyes a bit...

 

You can rest assured I'm not undercover, at least.   With apologies to Tolkien, if I were a servant of the enemy, all these derpy crackpot theories would look fairer and feel fouler.   ^w^  

[Gwyvian]

That God guy that dropped in a while back made me narrow my eyes a bit...

 

You can rest assured I'm not undercover, at least.  ^w^   With apologies to Tolkien, if I were a servant of the enemy, these derpy crackpot theories would look fairer and feel fouler. 

 

Mighty suspicious. 

 

But I suspect everyone now. Any sensible detective (or spymaster) would do the same.   I even suspect myself! Alright, not that, I know I'm not undercover - but everyone else....!   I'm watching....

[Moirin]

They are.  The devs clarified that in a statement. Gaider/Weekes or maybe even Laidlaw confirmed this on twitter. The art dept. flubbed.  It seems they rushed that well scene overall.  Weekes was supposed to write extra dialogue for Solas so he actually begs you not to drink but totes forgot.  I feel that - was a bigger oversight. I think a lot more people may have hesitated on drinking if he was actually imploring you not to.  Emo-Solas is usually a bad sign.

 

So he WAS actually supposed to beg you not to drink?

 

I had to change up and redo that whole part with my Lavellan because during the well scene he just really sounds like he doesn't want Morrigan drinking from the well, so I drank from it, then I get back to Skyhold and he starts on the whole, "I begged you not to drink from the well!" and I had to redo it.

 

I like to think that my Lavellan didn't want Morrigan to drink from the well, so she was going to, but if Solas had actually begged my Lavellan not to drink from it then she grudgingly would have let Morrigan have it, so I had to headcanon Solas' begging and not drink from the well.

 

It's kinda sad that is the mission they rushed through, with as much lore that is in that mission alone it's probably one of the places they should have spent the most time on.

[madrar]

Well, while not big enough to be something that is capable of an extinction level event, there's that massive crater in the Hissing Wastes that's impact would probably been in the range of a dozen or so megatons? That is, assuming it's the same size as the real world Barringer Crater near Flagstaff, which it was probably a reference to?

 

Ooh.  Totally missed this.  @w@   Where is it, exactly?

 

I always though that the blankened and mottled looking earth around the Western Approach was to indicate that this part of the land was still Blighted, centuries after the Second Blight because of it's proximity to the Abyssal Rift, which supposedly lead down to the Deep Roads, and to a lesser degree, the roaming bands of Darkspawn that occasionally venture across the Approach?  Although, if Blight-touched soil has an appearance similar to scar tissue, that would make it far more creepier?

 

That seems to be the in-game explanation, though I'm not sure I buy it as residual effect of the second blight.  That it's close to the Abyssal Rift seems the be the relevant bit, since the whole area screams "massive primordial conflict went down here".  A bit like the wasteland of the Silent Plains, but older and far more apocalyptic.

 

*shakes herself*

 

That's almost 100% speculation, though.  There's supposed to be a blight connection to the Plains as well, wasn't there?  Or was that where Genetivi assumed Dumat had levelled the Barindur?

[MayriyaNoori]

Ummm, I'd like to throw out a question mostly because you folks here seem to have your minds wrapped around the world of Thedas much better than I do. And I am sure this has come up before......but I am very late to the party and going through 4000+ posts is fun, but this is something that has been itching my mind the most since I finished the game and I would really like to hear thoughts.

 

Spoilered for spoilery type things.

 

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What do you guys think Solas is actually trying to do? I mean......I don't think it makes much sense that he would go release the Elvhen gods right? He seemed to have some serious distaste towards them. Or do you think he is actually planning to take down the Veil? Or...something else? Like go to the Black City himself....because with a second play through I have really noticed that Solas doesn't say anything unless it has value to it. And if you take him with you to Adamant and he ends up in the Fade with you....he comments on how the Black City is close enough to touch. I also know that there is the theory out there that the Black City is actually Arlathan...so...yeah....

 

And to add to that....if Solas were to take down the Veil...wouldn't that take away the Anchor's power? Because...the Inquisitor is sort of like a key to the Veil right? That's how Dagna described it I think. So....no door....no real need for a key?

 

Anyway....those kinds of things have been itching the brain as I'm sure anyone who played the game.

 

*sigh* I'm also approaching going to the Temple of Mythal for the second time....and returning from that....well we all know what that means. I'm actually avoiding it and have been questing absolutely everywhere and doing anything I possibly can before having to open that awful can of worms. Again. I'm a bit low on Nutella at the moment.....

 

=(

[Sifr]

 

Ooh.  Totally missed this.  @w@   Where is it, exactly?

 

 

The Golden Oasis, roughly West North West in the Hissing Wastes (it's swarming with Varghests). The crater itself is depicted on the map;

 

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That seems to be the in-game explanation, though I'm not sure I buy it as residual effect of the second blight.  That it's close to the Abyssal Rift seems the be the relevant bit, since the whole area screams "massive primordial conflict went down here".  A bit like the wasteland of the Silent Plains, but older and far more apocalyptic.

 

*shakes herself*

 

That's almost 100% speculation, though.  There's supposed to be a blight connection to the Plains as well, wasn't there?  Or was that where Genetivi assumed Dumat had levelled the Barindur?

 

Genetivi doesn't really state where the location was except that he visited the ruins and found only a footpath left?I would imagine that Barindur was probably located somewhere in Tevinter, so the Silent Plains might be a good candidate for it's location?

 

Incidentally, Solas claims to have seen Barindur in the Fade and we know that he often dreams in ruins to see the past, so it makes me wonder... what was he doing in Tevinter (if it's up there) and isn't it an amazing coincidence near the Silent Plains happens to be a place named Solas?

 

I'm not saying he did go to Tevinter... *cou-Shartan-gh*... but it does seem suspicious?

[Ilwerin]

So he WAS actually supposed to beg you not to drink?

 

I had to change up and redo that whole part with my Lavellan because during the well scene he just really sounds like he doesn't want Morrigan drinking from the well, so I drank from it, then I get back to Skyhold and he starts on the whole, "I begged you not to drink from the well!" and I had to redo it.

 

I like to think that my Lavellan didn't want Morrigan to drink from the well, so she was going to, but if Solas had actually begged my Lavellan not to drink from it then she grudgingly would have let Morrigan have it, so I had to headcanon Solas' begging and not drink from the well.

 

It's kinda sad that is the mission they rushed through, with as much lore that is in that mission alone it's probably one of the places they should have spent the most time on.

He is saying exactly this: "She is right about only one thing: we should take the power which lies in that well."

 

And I translate it as while she is right about only one thing - you should drink rather than her. So I was really surprised by his "claim of begging not to drink" afterwards. Too bad it wasn't there especially if he was in relationship with Inquisitor. I would't and didn't drink anyway (this was just out of curiosity) but...

 

Besides I would bet that in my first playthrough with circle mage he said something like "Let her drink it, while she is willing to pay the price". Somebody surely said that - anyone knows?

[Ilwerin]

 

Incidentally, Solas claims to have seen Barindur in the Fade and we know that he often dreams in ruins to see the past, so it makes me wonder... what was he doing in Tevinter (if it's up there) and isn't it an amazing coincidence near the Silent Plains happens to be a place named Solas?

 

I'm not saying he did go to Tevinter... *cou-Shartan-gh*... but it does seem suspicious?

 

Well, he was born in Tevinter, right? And who knows how long he stayed there and which places visited..

[BoscoBread]

So he WAS actually supposed to beg you not to drink?

 

I had to change up and redo that whole part with my Lavellan because during the well scene he just really sounds like he doesn't want Morrigan drinking from the well, so I drank from it, then I get back to Skyhold and he starts on the whole, "I begged you not to drink from the well!" and I had to redo it.

 

I like to think that my Lavellan didn't want Morrigan to drink from the well, so she was going to, but if Solas had actually begged my Lavellan not to drink from it then she grudgingly would have let Morrigan have it, so I had to headcanon Solas' begging and not drink from the well.

 

It's kinda sad that is the mission they rushed through, with as much lore that is in that mission alone it's probably one of the places they should have spent the most time on.

Yes.  This was confirmed by Weekes.  it was a writing snafu. Obviously it makes sense with his character why he wouldn't you to drink it.  

[Heidirs]

I finished The Calling!

 

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And now I need to visit The Keep and change my world state to list the Architect as dead.

 

*sigh*