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[ChuChu]

That moment when Hawke and Fenris kiss, and Hawke pushes him against the wall and you can just see a full-body experience going on for both sides? Basically that.

 

...Gosh is it time for coffee already I'll just be heading off now...

Agreeeed. And that moment is why I tend to romance Fenris. And the rivalmance adds that extra hotness, too!! I had to youtube it because I never did the rival thing, but yeah. Yeah.

For those who didn't romance Fenris/didn't play DA2 or just want to see it again, I give you this: at about 1:29 ;P

 

 

If you mean to say you are terrible for using references you're not.

 

Artist of the highest levels use references. It's not cheating. There are examples everywhere of famous paintings and works that were all done with references whether it was a picture or model. My mother is a painter and I have seen her use references in all her work.

 

Sorry if this was a mini rant/tangent thing. This is just one of those weird ticks with me. I mean, the way I see it art is an interpretation of reality through some medium.

 

I fail to see how one can interpret reality without a reference to it.

 

Whatever reference an artist needs, that's up to them.

 

K, rant over.

 

Morning thread!

Agreed. I know several artists who like to use it as a 'point of pride' that they don't 'stoop' to references, but the thing is... sure, you might impress people who don't know any better. You might even impress fellow artists with how far you can go without them.

But if you don't use references, you're limiting yourself. Limiting yourself and the art. Worst of all, since these people don't observe while drawing, they are not getting better at the speed they could be. Growth happens with or without references, but why would you cut off your foot and try to run a marathon?

You rely on references less and less as you broaden your visual library, but I don't think any artist should ever not use reference completely.

There, I did a little rant to add on to your little rant. ;P

And no this isn't directed at anyone in the thread, rather these are more like my own musings from outside the BSN. 

[Illyria]

Well, that is pretty odd.    It was one of the few times something struck me in the dream as standing out for being out of place. You were in Haven with Solas but were on PS2 and chiding me for such an old setup. 

 

 

 

You're in there. I approved all who joined.

 

 

 

I like Gideon Emery and his voice does stand out but when I think about it, none of the LIs voices did anything for me in DA2. Adam Howden took a lot of getting used to for a while, initially. I missed Greg Ellis too. I wonder what he would've brought to Anders in DA2 if they let him. Still, I think he's satisfied with Cullen.
 

 

I have mentioned my love of SH3 a few times - it's possible that you subconsciously knew I had a PS2 from that.  Although it was a multi-platform game.

[Cerulione]

Agreeeed. And that moment is why I tend to romance Fenris. And the rivalmance adds that extra hotness, too!! I had to youtube it because I never did the rival thing, but yeah. Yeah.

For those who didn't romance Fenris/didn't play DA2 or just want to see it again, I give you this: at about 1:29 ;P

 

 

Agreed. I know several artists who like to use it as a 'point of pride' that they don't 'stoop' to references, but the thing is... sure, you might impress people who don't know any better. You might even impress fellow artists with how far you can go without them.

But if you don't use references, you're limiting yourself. Limiting yourself and the art. Worst of all, since these people don't observe while drawing, they are not getting better at the speed they could be. Growth happens with or without references, but why would you cut off your foot and try to run a marathon?

You rely on references less and less as you broaden your visual library, but I don't think any artist should ever not use reference completely.

There, I did a little rant to add on to your little rant. ;P

And no this isn't directed at anyone in the thread, rather these are more like my own musings from outside the BSN. 

 

Need to hear this so badly lately, thanks >_<

[drosophila]

Agreeeed. And that moment is why I tend to romance Fenris. And the rivalmance adds that extra hotness, too!! I had to youtube it because I never did the rival thing, but yeah. Yeah.

For those who didn't romance Fenris/didn't play DA2 or just want to see it again, I give you this: at about 1:29 ;P

 

Oh, yes, the delicious Fenris rivalmance    He has my favorite rivalmance.

[Raeona]

Hello guys.. what's up? I really need some distraction today... I could not have worse day than this.. anyone got something that would cheer me up a little? n__n''

Gather round and ill tell you a tale!

Spoiler

Once upon a time there was a curious little nug, her name was peggy.

Now peggy was a brave little nug, determined to have adventures and go places no nug had ever gone before. She roamed far and wide, outwitting wranglers in the deep roads, scaling the never ending stair cases of Kirkwall, she even squeaked at empress Celine's second under butler once. But then disaster struck! A daring fereldan knight caught her and Peggy was trapped! She tried to challenge the knight to a duel, for her freedom, for her family's honour! But alas, she was just a nug, and the knight ignored her challenge and delivered her to the mighty Inquisition for a feast.

It seemed the end was nigh, Peggy was destined for the centre piece of a banquet, on a bed of artichoke hearts and a side of lightly roasted asparagus. But just before the butcher could seal her fate, a strange lady elf with a crooked fringe opened all the pens! Peggy galloped away, her ears flapping in the wind and an old fereldan tune ringing loud and clear in the crisp mountain air.

But Peggy wasn't safe yet, the castle was well secured and soon the call went out: rogue nug on the loose! she took shelter in an empty corridor and tried to catch her breath. Was this the end? Would Peggy be nothing bug an appetiser, seasoned with despair and disappointment? No! She wouldn't stand for it! In the corner was a pile of rubble, behind the rubble was a crack in the outer wall! She snuck through and breathed the sweet chilled air of freedom!

But she wasn't alone. There on the ledge was a goat, happily chewing the weeds growing through the cracks in the castle wall. He was Graham the mountain goat and he'd been there for years, dodging inquisition search parties, outlasting even the best avvar warriors. In him peggy found a friend.

Together they went on many adventures, and they're still out there today, seeing the world and beating the odds: peggy the nug and graham the goat.

[Cerulione]

I'm not sure this haven't been discussed or not but just curious about Solas & Trespasser DLC...

 

Spoiler

When at the end Solas told the Inquisitor to "live well while time remains", does it means that the Inquisitor is still on borrowed time? Does having the arm amputated still will impact on their live as well?

 

Also, when Solas told Leliana that he grew up in a little village at the north and actually the village is already in ruin, he isn't actually lying right...? He did grow up there milleniums before

[Cee]

I have mentioned my love of SH3 a few times - it's possible that you subconsciously knew I had a PS2 from that.  Although it was a multi-platform game.

 

Since it was multiplatform, I had no idea, but it's possible. Still, was a funny moment in the dream.

 

 

Agreeeed. And that moment is why I tend to romance Fenris. And the rivalmance adds that extra hotness, too!! I had to youtube it because I never did the rival thing, but yeah. Yeah.

For those who didn't romance Fenris/didn't play DA2 or just want to see it again, I give you this: at about 1:29 ;P

 

This was actually....unexpectedly disturbing. If you're kind of traumatically affected by being touched and someone touches you, that can really cause anxiety even if it's a loved one. Then he pushes her to the wall in a way that seems a little bit of a lashing out to the trauma of being touched.....and then it becomes a makeout.

[Eivuwan]

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This was actually....unexpectedly disturbing. If you're kind of traumatically affected by being touched and someone touches you, that can really cause anxiety even if it's a loved one. Then he pushes her to the wall in a way that seems a little bit of a lashing out to the trauma of being touched.....and then it becomes a makeout.

 

Hmm, in these cases, I will just assume that Hawke knows Fenris well enough to understand boundary limits.

[Eivuwan]

I'm not sure this haven't been discussed or not but just curious about Solas & Trespasser DLC...

 

Spoiler

When at the end Solas told the Inquisitor to "live well while time remains", does it means that the Inquisitor is still on borrowed time? Does having the arm amputated still will impact on their live as well?

 

Also, when Solas told Leliana that he grew up in a little village at the north and actually the village is already in ruin, he isn't actually lying right...? He did grow up there milleniums before

 

You don't have to use the spoilers tag for Trespasser. At this point, if people use spoilers, we think they're talking about fanfic or another story. Weekes said that the Inquisitor is free from the effects of the anchor. The "live well while time remains" is about Solas' plans to tear down the veil in a few years. We don't know whether or not he is lying about the village in the north.

[Cee]

Hmm, in these cases, I will just assume that Hawke knows Fenris well enough to understand boundary limits.

 

IMO, clearly not given his response to being touched like that in that particularly stressful moment.

 

edit: Everything is clearly consensual and all after, but this moment just disturbed me as depicted.

[Uirebhiril]

IMO, clearly not given his response to being touched like that in that particularly stressful moment.

 

edit: Everything is clearly consensual and all after, but this moment just disturbed me as depicted.

 

That's actually why I prefer the not-touching version of the kiss. It felt a bit less creepy for me to have him come and admit his feelings to Hawke, and for Hawke to let him know they were most certainly reciprocated. Then the makeout ensues without glowing touch of possible trauma. I mean, sure, there's still the part where Fenris is shoved up against the wall, but it does feel different in that version.

[Eivuwan]

IMO, clearly not given his response to being touched like that in that particularly stressful moment.

 

edit: Everything is clearly consensual and all after, but this moment just disturbed me as depicted.

 

Yeah, I barely remember DA2 at this point. Hawke should have probably apologized and for accidentally hurting him and that would have been better.

[Raeona]

Yeah, I barely remember DA2 at this point. Hawke should have probably apologized and for accidentally hurting him and that would have been better.

I don't know, all the romances in 2 were deeply dysfunctional between people with so many issues they were never going to work in any 'normal' sense. Most of it seems to be trial and error to discoverer what on thedas they're doing. After this scene fenris says 'i am so not ready for this' and books it out of hawkes estate, and s/he respects that. Fenris doesn't suggest giving it another shot until 3 years later. I liked seeing the characters get into relationships they weren't ready for, and then suffering the awkward backing out. It made them more... Human?

[ChuChu]

This was actually....unexpectedly disturbing. If you're kind of traumatically affected by being touched and someone touches you, that can really cause anxiety even if it's a loved one. Then he pushes her to the wall in a way that seems a little bit of a lashing out to the trauma of being touched.....and then it becomes a makeout.

Really? That's not how I saw it at all... but I didn't know too much about triggers, back then.

I saw it more like... the touch wasn't an affront, but more like a surprise manifested as anger, which quickly 'hardened' in to desire.
 

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Illyria]

Oh man, I was such a b*tch to Jowan on my first ever playthrough of DA:O purely because of his whiny voice. I sold him out to Irving because I couldn't stand this pathetic older apprentice who seemed to have trouble tying his shoelaces by himself.

 

Thing is, in retrospect, Jowan's actually an interesting character. Sympathetic, sweet, very young. wouldn't intentionally hurt anyone, owns up to his mistakes straight away (unlike others), and does every thing he can to amend them and not make the situation worse in the end. If you're kind enough to him, you can have him sent back to the Circle - which I didn't know first playthrough, I just told him to eff off straight away. Oh, it's you Jowan. Bored of playing blood mage yet? etc.

 

I actually feel for the kid, he's got no idea what he's doing, but he tries so hard and I have to appreciate that much.

 

I love Jowan

 

I could never sell him out.

 

I should re-do my Surana playthrough (so I can write more Kes/Alistair stuff if people want to see that).

[Cee]

I love Jowan

 

I could never sell him out.

 

I should re-do my Surana playthrough (so I can write more Kes/Alistair stuff if people want to see that).

 

 

Yes, please do. As much as dom!Alistair makes us gigglesnort, more of them as who they really are would be nice.

[Illyria]

Agreeeed. And that moment is why I tend to romance Fenris. And the rivalmance adds that extra hotness, too!! I had to youtube it because I never did the rival thing, but yeah. Yeah.

For those who didn't romance Fenris/didn't play DA2 or just want to see it again, I give you this: at about 1:29 ;P

 

 

Agreed. I know several artists who like to use it as a 'point of pride' that they don't 'stoop' to references, but the thing is... sure, you might impress people who don't know any better. You might even impress fellow artists with how far you can go without them.

But if you don't use references, you're limiting yourself. Limiting yourself and the art. Worst of all, since these people don't observe while drawing, they are not getting better at the speed they could be. Growth happens with or without references, but why would you cut off your foot and try to run a marathon?

You rely on references less and less as you broaden your visual library, but I don't think any artist should ever not use reference completely.

There, I did a little rant to add on to your little rant. ;P

And no this isn't directed at anyone in the thread, rather these are more like my own musings from outside the BSN. 

 

I REALLY don't like the rival path with Fenris.  I tried it once and resolved never to play it again.  It's the only rival path that I'm actually uncomfortable with (I adore rival!Merrill, though.  That would be my canon if Fenris wasn't in the game).

 

Since it was multiplatform, I had no idea, but it's possible. Still, was a funny moment in the dream.

 

 

 

This was actually....unexpectedly disturbing. If you're kind of traumatically affected by being touched and someone touches you, that can really cause anxiety even if it's a loved one. Then he pushes her to the wall in a way that seems a little bit of a lashing out to the trauma of being touched.....and then it becomes a makeout.

 

Your brain can sometimes take in the smallest of details and make you more aware of them in dreams.  Still, very odd.

 

Agreed about rival!Fenris.  The friendship romance is similar (Hawke grabs Fenris' hand and he reacts badly to it) but it doesn't have that edge that makes me comfortable.  Maybe it's the lack of Fenris telling Hawke 'I only wanted to be happy, for a little while' after they sleep together that makes me dislike it.  The thought that he wants to sleep with Hawke because he's angry with her, rather than because he wants to be happy with her is just wrong.

 

Yes, please do. As much as dom!Alistair makes us gigglesnort, more of them as who they really are would be nice.

 

Well, I just looked for my notes on Kes and I've lost the notebook with her entire history and character profile in it

 

EDIT:

 

Top!

 

Spoiler

[ChuChu]

 The thought that he wants to sleep with Hawke because he's angry with her, rather than because he wants to be happy with her is just wrong.

-may or may not get flamed for this...but I'm stepping out so will avoid any immediate reprimand?! HA.-

I dunno. It is good writing though. Is it so wrong to be selfish? Angry sex is getting so much hate here!

I kinda liked it that Fenris was using her/him. Selfishness is human nature. And when you're as messed up as Fenris, sometimes you gotta hit one for the home team. I'm not advocating his actions, of course, but I understand them. Or my headcanon: he thinks he's using Hawke, when really it's just what he wanted all along.

[Rascoth]

Agreed about rival!Fenris.  The friendship romance is similar (Hawke grabs Fenris' hand and he reacts badly to it) but it doesn't have that edge that makes me comfortable.  Maybe it's the lack of Fenris telling Hawke 'I only wanted to be happy, for a little while' after they sleep together that makes me dislike it.  The thought that he wants to sleep with Hawke because he's angry with her, rather than because he wants to be happy with her is just wrong.

Isn't there another way for it to play? If you don't use that exact flirt option, but flirted with him during Questioning Beliefs? 

...

Ok, I found video. 26:10.

He leaves first, but then's back next time you enter Amell Estate. I really prefer it that way.

[Illyria]

-may or may not get flamed for this...but I'm stepping out so will avoid any immediate reprimand?! HA.-

I dunno. It is good writing though. Is it so wrong to be selfish? Angry sex is getting so much hate here!

I kinda liked it that Fenris was using her/him. Selfishness is human nature. And when you're as messed up as Fenris, sometimes you gotta hit one for the home team. I'm not advocating his actions, of course, but I understand them. Or my headcanon: he thinks he's using Hawke, when really it's just what he wanted all along.

 

I just don't know.  I mean, I love Merrill's rivalmance, and I have no problems with Anders'.  Those are the two that tend to get the 'abusive' lable thrown at them the most.  It may just be my own love of Fenris' friendship romance, and of the character in general that stops me from wanting to rivalmance him.

[Flemmy]

Hello... New elf here, finally make a Solavellan so I'm joining the bandwagon with a cup of tears for afternoon tea. Nice to meet you all

nice to meet you.

[Illyria]

Hello... New elf here, finally make a Solavellan so I'm joining the bandwagon with a cup of tears for afternoon tea. Nice to meet you all

 

Anath ara, lethellan!

[Illyria]

Well, I just looked for my notes on Kes and I've lost the notebook with her entire history and character profile in it

 

Update: Found my notebook.

 

And the second part of dom!Alistair which isn't dom!Alistair but featuring Alistair being a dork is in process.  The piece is called 'Antivan Love Poetry'.

[TheEggCrusher]

For Rivalmances, I feel like there are some characters it could work with and some characters in which it would be just wrong, and some where it's both.

 

It Solas had a rivalmance option: 

 

positives: challenge his pride, argue with him on the value of ignorant (not ancient elven or just elves in general) people, prove to him, in a more harsh way, that you're a person

 

negatives: it would just never happen (solas is too old and set in his ways for an angry romance to change his mind imo), isn't in his character to have a romance or relationship at all (I think) with someone who so heavily disagrees with him, especially when he's used to ridicule from the gremlins on his beliefs already, solas has a lot more power than the Inquisitor, and think a rivalmance could be a little .... dangerous?  

 

 

Fenris:

 

positives: convince him, to some extent, that mages aren't evil (if that's how you want to go about it), it seems to be a pretty equal romance power wise, so it lacks that problem for solas's romance, hot kinky sex scenes muahahahahah

 

negatives: you can ridicule his sadness over his life as a slave, I can't think of much else   

 

For Fenris, yes I think the rivalmance works, but not at all for Solas, or other characters like him. It's all subjective to the character, as well as the player and what they're comfortable with, but I still think it's a great romance mode in general

[ChuChu]

I'm on my phone so am avoiding quoting anybody:
@eggcrusher I like how you included best egg in to your post and rounded things off with Solas discussion. We were getting a little OT haha. Good job

@illyria also thank you for spoilering that top post. Something so sinfully good looking must be kept under wraps.