153429 réponses à ce sujet

[Qun00]

Have some brain porn.

[midnight tea]

As I sit here on a hot day, I wonder: what clothes would Solas wear when it was too hot for pajamas, in Elvhenan? So that means no qunari armor .

 

Considering that he likely knows some spells to either keep himself warm during cold days (come on... bare fingers and toes in the middle of FROSTbacks!?) or cold during hot days, it could really be anything.

 

Although judging from his Trespasser murals (which, you know, more than surely depict him) it would either be some olive-green and black heavy robes as depicted on the right or um... floaty, half-Faded olive-green and black... um robes? Um, wing-like cloak with hardly anything underneath?... as depicted on the left, wut 

 

I suppose the fashion (and shape? State of mind? Eh? What is going on here!? I've been wondering about it for months and I can hardly tell!) would fluctuate depending on a phase of some sort... or something like it, rather than a straightforward season.

 

Especially that, you know, the climate in Thedas seems to be quite out of whack. There's a JUNGLE in what appears to be a region pretty near Thedas' southern Pole where Temple of Mythal lies, while Avvars living in Frostback Basin that lies about the same geographical height as Arbor Wilds wear heavy furs (even if the region appears to be kinde of... jungle-y). Then there's Western Approach/Hissing Wastes that lies much farther South than Tevinter or Seheron or Par-Vollen, even though they all lie much closer to Thedas' equator...

[lynroy]

That mental chess match is my favorite banter in the game. I'll often take Bull and Solas to some random zone and sit there, waiting for them to play out their game.

[Cee]

haha. I was messing with a clan name generator and my second result was Faded Rebels.

Oh curses. I wasted the TOP on that. XD

 

 

 

I clicked that link, and it gave me "Gusty Gangsters". Not gutsy, gusty.

 

So now I am thinking of a clan of flatulent gangsters and giggling like a 12 year old.

[FernRain]

I made something about the clothing situation:

 

 

My first Solas art! Walking around the house laughing about this..

 

And that name generator, I got 'Deranged Irresistible' (Solas).

[Raeona]

Hey guys, something's been nagging at me since the DLC soundtrack came out.

 

 

 

It could be nothing, and maybe someone has already pointed it out, but that dragon on both covers. Obviously there's a dragon on every game cover, running with the theme and all, but they're noticeably the same dragon, same horns and pissed off expression. For Descent its blue and underground, which makes sense given the content. For Trespasser though it's just made of air, with the world collapsing down around it.

 

Is this meant to be Mythal? Or titan shenanigans? First unleashed deep underground, and then finally let loose on a splintering world, the future of which is literally 'up in the air'?

Then again maybe it's just there to look cool. 

[Cee]

I am out of likes, but this idea, yes.

 

I made something about the clothing situation:

 

 

My first Solas art! Walking around the house laughing about this..

 

And that name generator, I got 'Deranged Irresistible' (Solas).

[FernRain]

Hey guys, something's been nagging at me since the DLC soundtrack came out.

 

 

 

It could be nothing, and maybe someone has already pointed it out, but that dragon on both covers. Obviously there's a dragon on every game cover, running with the theme and all, but they're noticeably the same dragon, same horns and pissed off expression. For Descent its blue and underground, which makes sense given the content. For Trespasser though it's just made of air, with the world collapsing down around it.

 

Is this meant to be Mythal? Or titan shenanigans? First unleashed deep underground, and then finally let loose on a splintering world, the future of which is literally 'up in the air'?

Then again maybe it's just there to look cool. 

.

 

This is interesting because remember in one of the first trailers there is a green dragon but it never appears in game? I've been wondering if that trailer isn't even what happens until DA:4 with the veil actually coming down for real. The foreshadowing would be huge.

 

 

Edit: it looks like the dragon fly-by in the Western Approach. Who knows.

Modifié par FernRain, 25 novembre 2015 - 03:47 .

[midnight tea]

Hey guys, something's been nagging at me since the DLC soundtrack came out.

 

 

 

It could be nothing, and maybe someone has already pointed it out, but that dragon on both covers. Obviously there's a dragon on every game cover, running with the theme and all, but they're noticeably the same dragon, same horns and pissed off expression. For Descent its blue and underground, which makes sense given the content. For Trespasser though it's just made of air, with the world collapsing down around it.

 

Is this meant to be Mythal? Or titan shenanigans? First unleashed deep underground, and then finally let loose on a splintering world, the future of which is literally 'up in the air'?

Then again maybe it's just there to look cool. 

.

 

It's the same "negative space" dragon as one on cover of the main game.

 

Spoiler

 

... so I'm pretty sure that it's either a generic dragon that is supposed to symbolize Dragon Age... or you know, it's Inquisitor. Or Inquisition. Either way a force that fights back and therefore is a metaphorical 'dragon' of the third installment

[Garnet]

Well, if we're being 12...

I don't know with some of these, I just copied and pasted. Use your imaginations. 

 

Spoiler

Erect Enemy

 

Towering Gang

 

Longing Voltiac

 

Nippy Moguls

 

Male Deadly

 

Impolite Veterans

 

Noiseless Force

 

Squalid Thugs

 

Flat Power

 

Angry Hooligans

 

Voracious Punks

 

Silly Strategy

 

Possessive Squad - this might be us.

 

Loud Exterminators

 

False Admirals

 

Naive Perpetrator

 

Heavenly Noobs

 

Curved Bureau

 

Lavish Delinquents

 

Bouncy Execution

 

Steep Unquenchables

 

[Cee]

 

Well, if we're being 12...

I don't know with some of these, I just copied and pasted. Use your imaginations. 

 

Spoiler

Erect Enemy

 

Towering Gang

 

Longing Voltiac

 

Nippy Moguls

 

Male Deadly

 

Impolite Veterans

 

Noiseless Force

 

Squalid Thugs

 

Flat Power

 

Angry Hooligans

 

Voracious Punks

 

Silly Strategy

 

Possessive Squad - this might be us.

 

Loud Exterminators

 

False Admirals

 

Naive Perpetrator

 

Heavenly Noobs

 

Curved Bureau

 

Lavish Delinquents

 

Bouncy Execution

 

Steep Unquenchables

 

 

 

 

Nippy Moguls

[Raeona]

This is interesting because remember in one of the first trailers there is a green dragon but it never appears in game? I've been wondering if that trailer isn't even what happens until DA:4 with the veil actually coming down for real. The foreshadowing would be huge.

 

Wait, really? Do you mean the one that gurgles flames at us, or did I miss that trailer?

 

It's the same "negative space" dragon as one on cover of the main game.

 

Spoiler

 

... so I'm pretty sure that it's either a generic dragon that is supposed to symbolize Dragon Age... or you know, it's Inquisitor. Or Inquisition. Either way a force that fights back and therefore is a metaphorical 'dragon' of the third installment

 

Well that's no fun But on the other covers the Inquisitor is accounted for. In Descent they're literally standing there with a torch. so they're what, discovering the Inquisitor? Already did that in Jaws of hakkon.  And as for Trespasser there's fallen Quizzy helmet. Trespasser's cover is super symbolic too, you've got the empty helmet, two wolf statues, Solas hiding in the Eluvian, and negative dragon bursting through the air as the sky literally falls down. 

 

If it's just a generic dragon because the word dragon is in the title, then frankly, Bioware, I find your lack of faith disturbing. 

[midnight tea]

Well that's no fun But on the other covers the Inquisitor is accounted for. In Descent they're literally standing there with a torch. so they're what, discovering the Inquisitor? Already did that in Jaws of hakkon.  And as for Trespasser there's fallen Quizzy helmet. Trespasser's cover is super symbolic too, you've got the empty helmet, two wolf statues, Solas hiding in the Eluvian, and negative dragon bursting through the air as the sky literally falls down. 

 

If it's just a generic dragon because the word dragon is in the title, then frankly, Bioware, I find your lack of faith disturbing. 

 

Notice that the Dragon is very close to Inquisitor (below them), as if he/she is pointing them forward, ordering it to float in deeper into the frame - so it appears as if it's 'entering' the Deep Roads together with Inquisitor. So, basically, the Inquisition goes to discover what's going on with all the quakes.

 

Also - it's not Solas in the eluvian - It's the Inquisitor; the titular "trespasser" (note that the armor is not the shape of the one Solas wears, they have hair and there's either a staff or sword on their back). Solas is symbolized enough by two wolves on sides of the eluvian already.

[Raeona]

This is interesting because remember in one of the first trailers there is a green dragon but it never appears in game? I've been wondering if that trailer isn't even what happens until DA:4 with the veil actually coming down for real. The foreshadowing would be huge.

 

 

Edit: it looks like the dragon fly-by in the Western Approach. Who knows.

 

Oh. Okay, is that western approach dragon? It does have similar horns.

 

So darn tricksy, Bioware, putting a random, unimportant dragon in the trailers and letting us all make wild guesses. 

[midnight tea]

Oh. Okay, is that western approach dragon? It does have similar horns.

 

So darn tricksy, Bioware, putting a random, unimportant dragon in the trailers and letting us all make wild guesses. 

 

Well, the franchise IS called DRAGON Age By default it has to have some dragons, both in the story and in adverts

[FernRain]

Wait, really? Do you mean the one that gurgles flames at us, or did I miss that trailer?

 

From the trailer "the fires above" (veil?):

 

 

At the end Morrigan says, "Will you stand against it, or lead this world to its bitter end?" Either that was a lie for hype, or it's foreshadowing whether we decide to side with Solas or not.

 

Also reminds me of Leliana's vision, and the sun at the end I am suspicious of.

[Raeona]

Well, the franchise IS called DRAGON Age By default it has to have some dragons, both in the story and in adverts

 

Notice that the Dragon is very close to Inquisitor (below them), as if he/she is pointing them forward, ordering it to float in deeper into the frame - so it appears as if it's 'entering' the Deep Roads together with Inquisitor. So, basically, the Inquisition goes to discover what's going on with all the quakes.

 

Also - it's not Solas in the eluvian - It's the Inquisitor; the titular "trespasser" (note that the armor is not the shape of the one Solas wears, they have hair and there's either a staff or sword on their back). Solas is symbolized enough by two wolves on sides of the eluvian already.

 

Oh, my bad. But still! It could be mysterious!  You're just out to kill my unsubstantiated conjecture today, aren't you?  

 

I remember being super suspicious of the Dragon Age 2 cover. Hawke and Co are sheltered in the wings of the dragon and I was so keen to find out who/what the dragon was. I guess in the end the dragon was just un-winnable circumstance.

[midnight tea]

From the trailer "the fires above" (veil?):

Spoiler

At the end Morrigan says, "Will you stand against it, or lead this world to its bitter end?" Either that was a lie for hype, or it's foreshadowing whether we decide to side with Solas or not.

 

Well, David Gaider has already revealed in one of the interviews, that what we saw in DAI is just half of the story and another half lies in Patrick Weekes' hands I do hope that it means that it means that we get to resolve this crisis with a hero we've started with, even if we'd get to play them as secondary PCs.

[midnight tea]

Oh, my bad. But still! It could be mysterious!  You're just out to kill my unsubstantiated conjecture today, aren't you?  

 

I remember being super suspicious of the Dragon Age 2 cover. Hawke and Co are sheltered in the wings of the dragon and I was so keen to find out who/what the dragon was. I guess in the end the dragon was just un-winnable circumstance.

 

Well, I am a killjoy after all ;D

[FernRain]

Well, David Gaider has already revealed in one of the interviews, that what we saw in DAI is just half of the story and another half lies in Patrick Weekes' hands I do hope that it means that it means that we get to resolve this crisis with a hero we've started with, even if we'd get to play them as secondary PCs.

 

Yes ! I thought there was a bit too much going on in that trailer for what we got in game.

 

I'm so suspicious of the sun. Leliana's vision relates, she said:

 

-Impenetrable darkness (so dense, so real),
-A noise (terrible, ungodly),
-Stood on a peak and watched the darkness consume everything,
-Darkness swallowed the last of the sun's light, she fell (darkness drew her in).

 

And the "I am the one" song:

 

I feel sun
Through the ashes in the sky.
Where's the one
Who'll guide into the night?

What's begun
Is the war that will
Force this divide.

What's to come
Is fire and the end of time.

[Raeona]

Well, I am a killjoy after all ;D

We love you anyway. 

 

 

Well, David Gaider has already revealed in one of the interviews, that what we saw in DAI is just half of the story and another half lies in Patrick Weekes' hands I do hope that it means that it means that we get to resolve this crisis with a hero we've started with, even if we'd get to play them as secondary PCs.

 

I'll only be happy with the Inquisitor as pc again if they have better lines. I insist on having an actual character arc! Everyone else got one, freaking roderic got one. And a personality I don't have to pretend is there might be nice too. 

[midnight tea]

We love you anyway. 

 

 

 

I'll only be happy with the Inquisitor as pc again if they have better lines. I insist on having an actual character arc! Everyone else got one, freaking roderic got one. And a personality I don't have to pretend is there might be nice too. 

 

Since when any DA hero had a well-defined arc? They're not NPCs after all, with set personalities and backgrounds, and many NPCs (like companions) may even never fulfill their arcs in specific playthroughs, since DA is not a linear story. The general arc for Inquisitor is to become a confident and competent leader and a good friend - they can fail at it alright, but that's the nature of the interactive medium with branching story. Besides - they've already set a fantastic arc for Inquisitor in Trespasser, which is a reason I and quite a few people want to see them again: dealing with another crisis as well as own disability and either redeeming or stopping Solas at all costs - and I assume the way we deal with him may answer the question of whether Inquisitor will save or doom Thedas.

[Gwyvian]

 

I just had one of them there Oprah aha moments I thunk. Thanks!

 

Yes, indeed the Elven gods and the Forgotten Ones could be one in the same. Lately I've been thinking about city elves vs the Dalish and how their mythologies fit into this all. Perhaps the city elves were just pacifists who gave up the fight against the shemlen vs the Dalish who did not...or perhaps they were two different peoples from the beginning--or rather since the end of Elvhenan. Perhaps the city elves are descendants of survivors who were already free or were freed by Fen'Harel while the Dalish descend from those devoted slaves who served the "gods" until the end and beyond (explains them passing the tradition of the slave markings onto their children). Perhaps these factions subsequently each had different views of the Evanuris, which inevitably evolved into the ideas of the Forgotten Ones and the Pantheon.

 

Consider Abelas...How likely do you think he'd be to acknowledge any wrong Mythal may have done? He is either blinded by his devotion or by the power of his markings, or maybe he and the other sentinels are simply brainwashed.   

 

Also, don't the elven gods seem strangely absent from alienages? There the Evanuris are the Forgotten Ones.

 

We've pretty much more or less established that DA was deeply inspired by the Wheel of Time. Following that model, it makes absolutely perfect sense what you say, that the city elves might have been the pacifists of the day who split off from what would become the Dalish: the Dalish do use vallaslin, so I'm guessing they're the traditionalists, the believers in the gods who say that Fen'Harel betrayed them all, and the city elves could definitely be the descendants of those Fen'Harel liberated - which would make it perfectly sensible why there are so few traces of gods in the world of city elves, though some other elven traditions, like being close to nature and having a wise leader, are still nurtured (the analogy would be the Aiel). Using the same analogy, it makes sense that the city elves wanted to integrate with other species while remaining sovereign, which is how at least a portion of the elven population became so intertwined with that of humans that they ended up living under their thumb. I don't think it always stood that way necessarily; I am pretty sure that the elves of the Dales belonged to the traditionalist branch, thus possibly having a superiority complex that made them very hostile with humans (and resulted in an all-out war between them, the humans were just waiting for them to take a wrong step). I'm guessing the vallaslin gave actual powers, too, which might have been even a motivating factor for some, not just as a symbol of respect or worship - or belonging - but also as a kind of trade off for powers.

 

As to Abelas... I found him to be an intriguing one. I think he's aware of what the gods are truly, including Mythal, but he made an irrevocable oath of sorts to devote his life to her. The way he speaks of her betrayal makes me think that he understands what's going on - it just doesn't make a difference to him, because his life is all about serving Mythal and nothing would change that. Consider how respectful Solas was towards him, and sorrowful for him, but not in the same way that he treats others with vallaslin. Yes, he might have been very friendly with Mythal and so her symbol would not evoke the same derision he would feel for those who willingly subjugate themselves to the Evanuris, but I think that considering Solas' views about the gods, Mythal is not above reproach. She also was one of the 'gods' no matter how just she was.

 

It always bothered me that Solas was so amicable towards the city elves where he clearly disparaged the Dalish. Yes, I realize as Fen'Harel he's all about liberating the People from slavery to so-called gods and the Dalish are kind of stuck up about that, but he's so much more like a Dalish elf than a city elf in many regards. He wallows in the past, he constantly tries to bring knowledge back to life and into the present, he would make a perfect Dalish. And as my Lavellan said, at least they are trying. I wonder, though, if part of his mad plan to tear down the Veil was hatched because of his treatment at the hands of the Dalish - they spurned him because he's weird (let's face it, he is weird to someone who doesn't know his backstory, with all his wild ideas and no substantial proof), so his pride is wounded and he draws the conclusion that maybe a giant reset would be the solution? The "free" people - might I point out again that the Dalish are much freer than city elves who can't even stand up for themselves - are not to his liking and they don't accept his freely offered wisdom, so  there must be something wrong with them? He's so arrogant.

 

 

 

This makes good story sense to me. We have "Where Willows Wail" which also may imply that all the modern elves descended from slaves (freed or otherwise) and it was the city elves' loss of faith in the gods that started the civil war with the others (now the Dalish and people like Abelas)--the war that brought about the end of the empire. It is from the World of Thedas Vol 2, but you can find it on the Dragon Age wiki.

 

Where Willows Wail

An elven version of a lullaby local to Denerim and nearby villages to the south. 

 

Tel’enara bellana bana’vhenadahl,

Sethen’a ir san’shiral, mala tel’halani

Ir sa’vir te’suledin var bana’vallaslin,

Vora’nadas san banal’him emma abel revas.

Ir tela’ena glandival, vir amin tel’hanin.

Ir tela las ir Fen halam, vir am’tela’elvahen.

 

We/it lost eternity or the ruined tree of the People

Time won’t help when the land of dreams is no longer our journey

We try to lead despite the eventual failing of our markings.

To the inevitable and troubling freedom we are committed.

When we could no longer believe, we lost glory to war.

When the Wolf failed/won, we lost the People to war.

 

At any rate the city elves obviously remember more than Solas would give them credit for. I like how whoever wrote this piece included the dual meaning, "the Wolf failed/won." They've been singing the straight story to their children since who knows when. The alienages must hold some interesting secrets. I'm excited to get back to the city elves in the next game. I wonder if despite their servitude they are actually more true to an older elvhen tradition...with their hahrens and their vhenadahls.

 

 

There we go! The elves destroyed the elves. It makes perfect sense. In hindsight, "Where Willows Wail" really spells it out, what must have happened after the Veil was raised. I can't help but think what a tragic victory that must have been - a high price indeed for freedom, and that freedom can also be a terrible burden.

 

I can't even begin to imagine how Solas must feel; he is directly responsible for some of the most beautiful parts of his People's existence to be snuffed out, all to have revenge for Mythal's death. It sounds rash indeed, the cocky youth he mentions he was acting before truly stopping to think. And was it worth the price after all this? After making such a terrible judgement call, though, how he can think tearing the Veil down will solve anything... Everything the people worked for, the freedom they fought and bled for, the independence from gods and all of their colossal suffering would have been for naught. I think all modern elves deserve a very lengthy apology from him, but also, they deserve his help to make the current situation better - not destroy it because it isn't to his liking.

 

I'd love to slap some sense into him somehow. In between kisses.

[CapricornSun]

I thought buns were in fashion right now? Every male grad student I know has either shaved back and sides, an undercut, or longer hair tied in a bun.

 

Plus, I like the bun. It suits him particularly well, which helps.

 

Still catching up but count me in as one of those who finds manbuns kinda hot. 

[Gwyvian]

Oooo! My guess is *spoilers*! Maybe time magic was always known to the elves in some form...not being able to travel back but just being able to stop time. Perhaps uthenera is also a form of time magic. Maybe Solas pulled an Ameridan (or a Flora, Fauna, and Merryweather, if you'd rather) on Arlathan. The place is frozen in time, but the spell won't hold much longer. The modern elves have simply forgotten the old spells like Ameridan's.

 

Then again perhaps it wasn't so much that the ancient elves lived forever, it was just that their magic allowed them to exist in frozen time. They somehow lived in infinite slow motion. Remember when Solas says the elves' immortality was the effect of their magic not the cause of their nature. Perhaps the time magics that caused effective immortality required a connection to the fade, which would totally work with Alexius' amulet only working while the breach was open. Hmmm...so many good ideas floating around this morning.

 

*gasp* You think in Ameridan's time they might still have known such substantial remnants of old elven magic? If I think about it, the elves really had good prospects during that age, only later they mucked it up by making no effort to appease the humans' hostility, and the humans in turn were just itching for an excuse to exterminate them. *sigh* Why can't they all just get along?

 

I agree with this, that magic allowed them to live forever and not their innate natures. I'm not sure about the slow motion exactly, I'm thinking more along the lines of the Fade revitalizing them in a unique way, i.e. their cells are fazed out of the passage of time, not really substantial anymore or ethereal to the point where the passage of time does not touch them.