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[thaali]

Quick question, not specific to Solas, what do you guys think the timeline was roughly for when the whole conversation with Chancellor Roderik about starting the Inquisition to the time they actually left for the Hinterlands?  Do we think it was a week or several weeks?  

[Aren]

I wonder, do we know that for sure? I mean, a human or qunari (though prolly not a dwarf cus no dreams) might be able to experience Uthenera, too, and just hasn't cus no one knows how it works/has the inclination. Not sure we know enough about Uthenera to declare it impossible that non-elves can undergo it.

I think is one of the most interesting and useful magical ability   ,being able to remain young across the ages

[midnight tea]

The magical coma of Uthenera is elven specific or other races can do that?

 

 

It's assumed to be an elvhen talent, but in Brecillian forest we find a ghost of human (yet elven-speaking) woman near a sarcophagus more than likely containing remains of one in uthenera. The Guardian of the Gauntlet in Temple of Sacred Ashes, who was a Disciple of Andraste back in her days, also mentions that Andraste sometimes meditated for weeks/months at a time without food of water, which sounds suspiciously like uthenera.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Uthenara sounds interesting, doesn't it? Just like those settlements that need our help. Here, I'll mark it on your map.

[Addictress]

And Solas is the most fair elf of them all.

[Uirebhiril]

The Guardian of the Gauntlet in Temple of Sacred Ashes, who was a Disciple of Andraste back in her days, also mentions that Andraste sometimes meditated for weeks/months at a time without food of water, which sounds suspiciously like uthenera.

 

Which does nothing to help those debates and speculations on whether or not Andraste was Mythal, or just an elf in general.

[Ghost Gal]

The elves are depicted as having otherworldly beauty because some of the more famous iterations of the Fair Folk, like the Tuatha de Danann, for instance, were Irish, and Irish women are thought to be the most beautiful women in the world.

 

Fix'd.

 

I think this is another case of elves being associated with nymphs and elves and other folklore, since physical descriptions and the nature of elves were vague and inconsistent through the centuries before Tolkien. (Though it helps that Tolkien adored languages, based most of his races around various European languages, and he chose Gaelic/Welsh/what-have-you languages to represent his elves.)

 

I wonder, do we know that for sure? I mean, a human or qunari (though prolly not a dwarf cus no dreams) might be able to experience Uthenera, too, and just hasn't cus no one knows how it works/has the inclination. Not sure we know enough about Uthenera to declare it impossible that non-elves can undergo it.

 

As soon as the other races gain the ability to be long-lived enough to be able to sleep centuries or millennia while their spirits wander the Fade, then be able to wake up without looking a day older, I'll buy it.

 

Considering humans were called "quick children" by elves even before the Veil went up due to their short lifespans, and the dwarves current lack of connection to the Fade but no hint of immortality even back when Titans were around, and Qunari are a post-Veil race, I'm having serious doubts...

 

Also, the elves are as yet the only race known to be "intricately tied to the Fade" enough to universally draw magic and immortality from being connected to it. Felassan also mentions how ancient elves were able to draw sustenance in the Fade while they slept, so their bodies didn't starve to death while in uthenera. As of yet, we don't know of any other race that can do that.

 

As it is, when Morrigan (a human) takes you to the Crossroads she comments that she can never stay in there for too long without suffering "ill affects." Lavellan is also the only Inquisitor who can see flowers and beautiful colors in the Crossroads, while Inquisitors of every other race, non-elven or spirit companions, and Morrigan only see dead branches and faded colors. If humans cannot even stay in the Crossroads, an in-between area of the Fade and physical world, for too long, nor see beauty in it that elves (and Cole) can see, that makes uthenera seem unlikely. 

 

It's assumed to be an elvhen talent, but in Brecillian forest we find a ghost of human (yet elven-speaking) woman near a sarcophagus more than likely containing remains of one in uthenera. The Guardian of the Gauntlet in Temple of Sacred Ashes, who was a Disciple of Andraste back in her days, also mentions that Andraste sometimes meditated for weeks/months at a time without food of water, which sounds suspiciously like uthenera.

 

a) I always just assumed the sarcophagus contained a dead woman.   I always just assumed the spirit you encounter is either her own spirit, lost and confused in death, or (after DAI) a spirit drawn to the woman's upset emotions and memories from just before her death, and replicating her emotional state from just before her dying moments.

 

b ) Uthenera is centuries of deep slumber while the dreaming spirit wanders the Fade. (It literally means "long sleep" or "endless dream.") A few weeks or months of foodless meditation is not the same as centuries of deep sleep and dream-walking. 

[CapricornSun]

Art break.

 

Trespasser Solas and Lavellan looking sad.

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Source: http://faustianart.t...ty-sad-about-it

 

 

Pretty Solavellan lineart.

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Source: http://vladimirka.tu...ns-not-this-but

 

 

Looking Glass fanart: Cute Pride x Lavellan.

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Source: http://solassan.tumb...it-in-the-mouth

 

 

Lovely Solas screencap redraw.

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Source: http://theresa-draws...rush-and-its-so

 

 

Solas sketches while travelling. 

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Source: http://snugrugbug.tu...we-were-talking

 

 

 

Solas face study.

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Source: http://louminx.tumbl...o-know-his-face

 

 

Solas with his arms crossed.

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Source: http://timedelation....las-also-i-need

 

 

Solas disapproves.

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Source: http://collymotion.t...-back-solas-art

 

 

DA:I - Dont Starve crossover.

Dorian & Bull, Cass & Sera, Solas & Cole.

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Source: http://lucydoesart.t...nd-bull-in-dont

 

 

Source: http://lucydoesart.t...starve-series-i

 

 

Source: http://lucydoesart.t...and-vivienne-to

 

[Bayonet Hipshot]

*Snip*

 

Agreed. There is something innate within the biology and physiology of the Elvhen that allows them to be in tune with the Fade and draw energy from it in order to sustain themselves and be immortal. I suspect this is due to the fact that the Elvhen descended from creatures of the Fade, the Spirits.

 

I believe Solas says that Spirits do not truly die for they are reborn. I think that the Elvhen retain some of that when they become Elves.

[midnight tea]

a) I always just assumed the sarcophagus contained a dead woman.   I always just assumed the spirit you encounter is either her own spirit, lost and confused in death, or (after DAI) a spirit drawn to the woman's upset emotions and memories from just before her death, and replicating her emotional state from just before her dying moments.

 

Um... what else you think I implied?  The spirit quite likely belonged to a body we see, and the ghost happens to be a woman. A human woman, of all things.

 

Also - you assume that she died IN sarcophagus, rather than was buried there, right? That's what I assume too. Whether it's her spirit or a spirit who replicates her emotional state doesn't' matter - in fact, we know that spirits are drawn and react strongly to places where someone has died while in emotional distress (Cole, Telana), which implies even more strongly that a person lying in sarcophagus died while IN that tomb. And we know that people in uthenera lied and oftentimes died in such tombs.

 

b ) Uthenera is centuries of deep slumber while the dreaming spirit wanders the Fade. (It literally means "long sleep" or "endless dream.") A few weeks or months of foodless meditation is not the same as centuries of deep sleep and dream-walking. 

 

No, it is not. From my understanding it is any period of deep sleep that extends beyond physical capabilities of a body left behind, while the soul wanders the Fade. And I'm sorry, neither on Earth nor in Thedas no person, elf or human, could survive a month or more without food or water.

 

In fact, it's even underlined in some lorebooks that many ancient elves required to be fed by their servants from time to time in order for their body not to wither and die - Andraste, apparently, reached the level of Dreaming that let her wander the Fade without regular sustenance. In that regards she appears to be similar to Solas, who - while he has foods he enjoys or dislikes - is noted in WoT to eat very little while with Inquisition, likely entering short periods of deep sleep that let him sustain himself on Fade alone.

 

Also, in one of rare comments in ToM Morrigan remarks that she's found mentions that it was required for an elf to sleep for a year in temples like ToM in order to receive visions. So yes, it's established in the lore that uthenera doesn't necessarily lasts for centuries.

[Ellawynn]

Wasn't that spirit in the Brecilian ruins being human just a goof on the developer's part? I know the spirit in the Well of Sorrows being human was - they said she was supposed to be an elf, but forgot to change it and figured no one would care enough to look. Or... something like that.

[midnight tea]

Wasn't that spirit in the Brecilian ruins being human just a goof on the developer's part? I know the spirit in the Well of Sorrows being human was - they said she was supposed to be an elf, but forgot to change it and figured no one would care enough to look. Or... something like that.

 

I'd dismiss it as a goof if only the female ghost there was a human. But the child is human as well.

 

And then you have the spirit of one of last Arcane Warriors who says that there were time when humans and elves lived in what is now Brecilian Ruins in harmony, until something attacked them.

[Cerulione]

Hello again Solas thread... Just passing by to throw some fanart from Feynite's Looking Glass fic about Time-Travel Lavellan & Young Solas shennanigans :3

 

Not Solas, sorry. Just some Uthvir & Squishy/Desire fanart . I fixed the ending of this short side story...

 

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“Rest now, I’ll stay here until you wake up…”

 

 

Just some... favourite crop :3

 

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[NightSymphony]

Some sad art

 

Let's Suffer Together

http://ladytheirin.d...ellan-594302725

 

Trespasser

http://butterflier61...verri-594284002

 

What We Had Was Real

http://darkmythicpsy...ellan-594074823

[CapricornSun]

Another art post.

 

Nipuni's gorgeous artwork of Solas with hair mod.

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Source: http://nipuni.tumblr...-i-made-because

 

 

Watch me, papae!

I am always watching da'vhenan.

Solas and his kid by the waterfalls by kallielef. (Gorgeous colors and background!)

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Source: http://kallielef.tum...always-watching

 

 

Some gorgeous artworks of Lavellan, Solavellan, and dad!Lavellan holding Lavellan as a baby.

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Source: http://pandyssiaa.tu...st/140360000612

 

 

Lavellan and Solas (with hair) from the fic 'Ma'Las.

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Source: http://afroditeohki....hich-elves-with

 

 

Lavellan, don't be shy.  (Solavellan)

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Source: http://damiry.tumblr...avellan-dont-be

 

 

A scene from the Solavellan modern AU fic Meet the Family.

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Source: http://athousanddayy...llan-fanfiction

 

 

Solas in spandex by thaali. 

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Source: http://solaslover.tu...y-bluegirlbooks

 

 

And Solas and Lavellan in spandex.

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Source: http://bluegirlbooks...destinyapostasy

 

 

Modern AU Solas, Iron Bull, and Dorian rocking it out. Hot dang, Solas is ripped! 

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Source: http://hopahopa.tumb...e-with-favorite

 

 

Elf Squad! Poor Solas.

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Source: http://istehlurvz.tu...elf-squad-ffrom

 

[Lady Luminous]

So, I'm creating a new elf to romance Solas (dear god, why??) and I can't help but wonder if Solas would actually go for an alternative mage whose blue lipstick matches her vallaslin, or if I should go with more traditional colours.

Oh the silly thoughts that go through my head during character creation.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

I think I know how Solas is recruiting all those Elves from Orlais and persuading them to join him...

 

He plans to Make Elvhen Great Again ! With High Fade Energy !

 

[DiannaK]

I think is one of the most interesting and useful magical ability   ,being able to remain young across the ages

immortality prevents progress

[Bayonet Hipshot]

immortality prevents progress

 

I never understood this notion. Immortality might not encourage one from advancing medical and healthcare technologies but they would devote themselves to things like artistic pursuits, literary pursuits, philosophical pursuits, sports, intellectual pursuits, etc.

[midnight tea]

immortality prevents progress

 

Were did you get such conclusion from  ? Why would immortality prevent progress? We're not immortal, we don't have a frame of reference when it comes to assessing things to such extent, but judging from the fact that we live 2 to 4 times longer than many our ancestors and we fare much better than them it can be pretty easily said that longevity (paired with enlightenment/education) spurs progress, rather than hinders it.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Were do you get such conclusion from  ? Why would immortality prevent progress? We're not immortal, we don't have a frame of reference when it comes to assessing things to such extent, but judging from the fact that we live 2 to 4 times longer than our ancestors and we fare much better than them it can be pretty easily said that longevity spurs progress, rather than hinders it.

 

More specifically, it would spur progress in things that are not essential to ones life. In other words, leisurely and cultural pursuits, because you have lots of free time you know.

 

I mean look at us now. We are arguing about the theoretical in a video game forum. A few meters from me in real life, someone is trying to get the perfect selfies for her Instagram account. This morning, I just attended a lecture session about the livelihood of 12 century Malays.

[midnight tea]

More specifically, it would spur progress in things that are not essential to ones life. In other words, leisurely and cultural pursuits, because you have lots of free time you know.

 

... To not mention scientific progress and discoveries. We could be sending people to the stars already if they were immortal. It wouldn't matter if they arrived to next galaxy in 10 or 10000 years. Gosh, the things we could accomplish...

[Caddius]

I think immortality would probably spur on cultural works presuming people didn't get burnt out. (Which they seemed to have just gone into uthenera to solve that little problem.)

The main reason it would impede technological progress is the nastier side of immortality. The old people don't die, so it takes much longer for job positions to open up the young elves. While it's amusing to admire the hordes of elves trying to get a job as a cashier at Sylvaise's new mall, the problem is that the Evanuris couldn't die of old age, and age only gave them more time to accumulate knowledge, power, and followers, and further cement their hold on things. It's why any democracies or otherwise libertine governments of people who are functionally immortal always surprise me in fiction. The asari of Mass Effect were interesting with their sort of e-democracy. I guess a competition of elders could help prevent that critical mass of accumulated power?

Anyways, if I was an Evanuris, I really wouldn't care about how much suffering my slaves go through to polish my giant statue. So I wouldn't pay much attention to the slave who, if given an education, could probably invent Windex to make things easier. This is one of the theories on why Greece and Rome didn't run wild with the steam power tech they already had; there wasn't an incentive for the people with the resources, because they were already reliant on slave labor.

[Ellawynn]

This is off-topic, but - out of curiosity, how would you respond to someone saying that video games (And fiction in general) are a pointless waste of time with no value in the real world?

 

I had a quite aggravating discussion with a... "friend" today.

 

(I'm not really asking for arguments to give her, for the record. I'm just genuinely curious and, well, more than a little pissed off.)

[DiannaK]

I never understood this notion. Immortality might not encourage one from advancing medical and healthcare technologies but they would devote themselves to things like artistic pursuits, literary pursuits, philosophical pursuits, sports, intellectual pursuits, etc.

Can you honestly compare our generation with that of our grandparents we are better in so many ways and our children's children will be better than us it is called Evolution a change in the heritable traits of biological populations over successive generations, generations mind you who live a few decades. The reason anybody wants to have children is because they want to create a better version of themselves and whether you had failed to follow your dreams or not, little you(children) will be even better. And that is the reason why Arlathan fell because a bunch of Immortal idiots (Evanuris) wouldn't die so that somebody else will look at there mistakes and do better