153429 réponses à ce sujet

[Elessara]

Of course Solas believes the Evanuris deserved their fate. He needs some kind of justification to why what he did was necessary. Maybe we find out more about what really happened in the next game. Right now we only have pieces of the whole story.

 

Maybe chaotic good does fit Solas the best, even if not perfectly. I also see some traits of neutral evil - in that he doesn't see what he does is evil, because he believes he is right and good.

 

That's the inherent problem with the D&D alignment system.  It's very rigid and has difficulty in allowing that people can do terrible things because it's the only option left open to them (or the only option they believe is left open to them).  Paladins tend to be a good example of this.  Paladins - the ultimate holy warriors of good - are not allowed to lie even if a simple lie prevents a great evil from occurring.  This is silly but it's the way the rules work.  It's why I don't like applying the D&D alignment system to anything outside of D&D - especially not to a setting like Dragon Age, where they'd tried to make things morally ambiguous/gray.

[Ellawynn]

I think the way Solas is acting in the modern Thedas makes him chaotic neutral. He's only fighting for his people and doesn't care what happens to the modern people of Thedas as consequence. He may not enjoy the fact that other will suffer greatly thanks to his actions, but it won't stop him either. He only cares about his goal of restoring the ancient elven world. Everything else is secondary. I agree with Ellawynn, it seems like he is balancing between good and neutral chaotic. Maybe once he was pure chaotic good, but after Mythal's death he became a much darker character. I'm sure he still seems himself as a good person and is only doing what he thinks is right, but that doesn't lessen the fact his actions have brought much evil and suffering to the world. Also isn't vengeance always a very selfish thing to seek? He only wanted to avenge Mythal and achieving it also meant destroying the ancient elves. Again, he might not have wanted that to happen, but it happened all the same.

 

But he doesn't quite fit neutral either, because he's demonstrably concerned with the happiness and well-being of others, even when he didn't believe modern beings were fully people. Barring his personal quest (And yes, I'll grant you, possibly sealing away the Evanuris - I highly doubt Solas was lying when he said it had to be done, but I can't currently prove he wasn't.) he never really acts selfishly. He's just not some squeaky clean paladin type. 

 

And is the DnD alignment really effected by the consequences of one's actions? I thought it was only influenced by what the character wanted to do and how they went about doing it - not any unforeseeable consequences that happened as a result.

[Inkvisiittori]

And is the DnD alignment really effected by the consequences of one's actions? I thought it was only influenced by what the character wanted to do and how they went about doing it - not any unforeseeable consequences that happened as a result.

 

You are probably right, but Solas does know that his actions are going to hurt people this time and he's still going to do it.

[Caddius]

As part of a dare with a friend, I've begun a Nightmare All Trials Enabled playthrough. My male Lavellan mage is currently crawling through Haven, trying to make it to the Pride Demon to die with honor. I've found his tears are more useful to healing him than his actual health potions. 

Anyone have any advice for the poor boy?

[Bayonet Hipshot]

As part of a dare with a friend, I've begun a Nightmare All Trials Enabled playthrough. My male Lavellan mage is currently crawling through Haven, trying to make it to the Pride Demon to die with honor. I've found his tears are more useful to healing him than his actual health potions. 

Anyone have any advice for the poor boy?

 

L2P scrub. You have to think and be smart.

 

On a serious note, here are a few things you can do.

 

1) Firstly, get Dispel. It is the best way to deal with magical defenses, especially later down the line. Also, Fade Step is extremely useful early game.

 

2) Use the tactical camera and the pause feature.

 

3) Fight dirty. Honor is a fool's prize, glory is no use to the dead. The Pride Demon in Haven is vulnerable to the Rift.

 

So you main priority is to use the Mark on the Rift over and over again to stun the Pride Demon. Cassandra should be a sacrificial attention grabber, Varric should stay back and use his arrows, Solas should be spamming Barriers and doing Crowd Control with his Winter's Grasp.

 

Hope that helps. Also check out this thread - http://forum.bioware...er-with-a-mage/

[Elessara]

As part of a dare with a friend, I've begun a Nightmare All Trials Enabled playthrough. My male Lavellan mage is currently crawling through Haven, trying to make it to the Pride Demon to die with honor. I've found his tears are more useful to healing him than his actual health potions. 

Anyone have any advice for the poor boy?

 

My advice to the poor boy?  Don't have a player who succumbs to peer pressure, especially one that obviously has subconscious sadomasochistic tendencies.

 

Edit to add:  Forgot to add the serious part.  If you haven't done, don't forget to upgrade your potions - healing and regen - as much as possible.  If you've used the golden nug, you should have rock armor and lightning resist although I'm not sure the would be more useful than regen.  Farm materials to craft higher tier armor and weapons.  You won't get the maximum but they should be much better than anything else you're able to get as drops.

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

Maybe, but that boils Solas purely down to his intentions - it completely ignores his methods, which are of course pretty objectionable. It also ignores his pretty ruthless nature - to say nothing of that whole stint with the mages in his personal quest, or his initial dismissal of modern life. Like yeah he started a whole revolution, but by his own admission he made a lot of sacrifices to get it done, which I'm guessing the alignment system doesn't really account for. Which is why I brought up the moral ambiguity thing - I'm not sure he'd fit into any category really. He's like... chaotic neutral-good. 

Intentions are all that "good/neutral/evil" half of the system measures, though. Its about laying out what type of goals your character acts towards. It doesn't necessarily mean your character is correct in what they judge to be a good goal. Solas values the wellbeing of his people above all else at this point, even his own personal desires. And he values fixing what he considers to have been a mistake, in spite of what it will cost himself (be it his life or his friends/lover that he's made). Technically, that selflessness that is aimed at improving others' lots is a good trait. So in DnD, he's Good.

 

And the "chaotic/neutral/lawful" half of of the alignment applies to methodology. Solas' view is he'll get the job done however he deems necessary, rather than following norms or laws. So he's Chaotic.

 

I think we'd all argue he's misguided, at the least. But he's not mustache twirling as he eagerly awaits the suffering his plans will inflict on others, which rules out Evil. He's made it clear that, if he could get by without that suffering, he would, which rules out Neutral b/c he cares a lot about the effect his methods have--he just can't think of anything better. He's basically a living example of good intentions(+hubris) paving the way to Hell. In DnD alignment terms, that falls under Chaotic Good.

[Ellawynn]

Intentions are all that "good/neutral/evil" half of the system measures, though. Its about laying out what type of goals your character acts towards. It doesn't necessarily mean your character is correct in what they judge to be a good goal. Solas values the wellbeing of his people above all else at this point, even his own personal desires. And he values fixing what he considers to have been a mistake, in spite of what it will cost himself (be it his life or his friends/lover that he's made). Technically, that selflessness that is aimed at improving others' lots is a good trait. So in DnD, he's Good.

 

And the "chaotic/neutral/lawful" half of of the alignment applies to methodology. Solas' view is he'll get the job done however he deems necessary, rather than following norms or laws. So he's Chaotic.

 

I think we'd all argue he's misguided, at the least. But he's not mustache twirling as he eagerly awaits the suffering his plans will inflict on others, which rules out Evil. He's made it clear that, if he could get by without that suffering, he would, which rules out Neutral b/c he cares a lot about the effect his methods have--he just can't think of anything better. He's basically a living example of good intentions(+hubris) paving the way to Hell. In DnD alignment terms, that falls under Chaotic Good.

 

Except - isn't Chaotic Good less "The road to hell is paved with good intentions" and more " The law is corrupt and inefficient and you can't always do good if you always obey it," right? Even that definition you posted seem to paint it as the noble freedom fighter, not the corrupt anti-hero. 

 

And a trait is not an entire alignment on it's own. Solas does generally want to help others, but he does some pretty non-Good stuff to achieve that goal - like keeping people alive for information, despite being in pain, or "removing" generals as soon as they stop being useful to him or his cause. 

[ladyiolanthe]

Except - isn't Chaotic Good less "The road to hell is paved with good intentions" and more " The law is corrupt and inefficient and you can't always do good if you always obey it," right? Even that definition you posted seem to paint it as the noble freedom fighter, not the corrupt anti-hero. 

 

And a trait is not an entire alignment on it's own. Solas does generally want to help others, but he does some pretty non-Good stuff to achieve that goal - like keeping people alive for information, despite being in pain, or "removing" generals as soon as they stop being useful to him or his cause. 

 

I'd say the "non-Good" things he'll do is what nearly defines him as being chaotic good... That's him following his own moral compass, regardless of what others in society might think. You and I feel those actions are "non-Good" but Solas sees them as "sort of Good" because, for him, the "Good" ends justify the means.

[Ellawynn]

I'd say the "non-Good" things he'll do is what nearly defines him as being chaotic good... That's him following his own moral compass, regardless of what others in society might think. You and I feel those actions are "non-Good" but Solas sees them as "sort of Good" because, for him, the "Good" ends justify the means.

 

By that definition, any character could be Good. Any moral disagreement could be brushed off with "Well that's just what society says."

 

There is no ends justify the means alignment in DnD. So I don't think Solas really fits in any of them.

[CapricornSun]

Another art post.

 

'Cursed King' by nanananananablr. (Wow!)

Spoiler

Source: http://nanananananab...639/cursed-king

 

 

Solas seems stunned by Lavellan's beauty. (She is very pretty, tbh.  )

Spoiler

Source: http://kelzen.tumblr...sunsets-were-on

 

 

Trespasser: An AU where Lavellan is the Dread Wolf and Solas is the Inquisitor.

Spoiler

Source: http://vladimirka.tu...am-i-even-doing

 

"May I kiss you?". A sweet scene of Pride and Lavellan from Looking Glass.

Spoiler

Source: http://izzayylmao.tu...ike-pulling-out

 

 

'Dareth shiral'. Sketch of Solas.

Spoiler

Source: http://elvhen-aposta...ound-to-doing-a

 

 

Sketch of sad concept!Solas.

Spoiler

Source: http://inquisiliciou...felt-like-doing

 

 

Sketch of Marian Hawke and Solas.

Spoiler

Source: http://izzayylmao.tu...artist-block-so

 

 

Gorgeous artworks of Solas, Sera, and Fenris. (I love the art style!)

Spoiler

Source: http://bbwind.tumblr...big-fun-to-draw

 

 

Awesome DA artworks done for the emoji meme.

Spoiler

Source: http://dyinglikeicar...d-for-this-meme

 

 

[Caddius]

My advice to the poor boy?  Don't have a player who succumbs to peer pressure, especially one that obviously has subconscious sadomasochistic tendencies.

 

Edit to add:  Forgot to add the serious part.  If you haven't done, don't forget to upgrade your potions - healing and regen - as much as possible.  If you've used the golden nug, you should have rock armor and lightning resist although I'm not sure the would be more useful than regen.  Farm materials to craft higher tier armor and weapons.  You won't get the maximum but they should be much better than anything else you're able to get as drops.

It's hardly subconscious, as my list of hours for all the Souls games could tell you. 

 

Thank you for the advice, Bayonet and Elessara. I've already got the dirty fighting bit down. Lots of running around screaming, ducking behind rocks, and using Cass as a meatshield already. I'm torn between Knight-Enchanter and Necromancer. Of course, I think the hard part will be surviving to Skyhold...

[Bayonet Hipshot]

It's hardly subconscious, as my list of hours for all the Souls games could tell you. 

 

Thank you for the advice, Bayonet and Elessara. I've already got the dirty fighting bit down. Lots of running around screaming, ducking behind rocks, and using Cass as a meatshield already. I'm torn between Knight-Enchanter and Necromancer. Of course, I think the hard part will be surviving to Skyhold...

 

To survive until you get to Skyhold, use this setup...

1. Dispel
2. Energy Barrage
3. Immolate or Wall of Fire or Fire Mine
4. Fade Step
5. Chain Lightning
6. Barrier

Then respec after you have your specialization. With regards to Cassandra, after she gets her specialization, she becomes a lot more useful since Spell Purge is also a form of Dispel which means if you have a setup like this...

1. Mage Inquisitor
2. Sword & Shield Cassandra
3. Mage Follower (Dorian or Solas or Vivienne)
4. Rogue (It is best to make all the Rogues including Cole archers since the AI is lousy with double daggers)

You can have 3 anti-magic powers - 1 Dispel from the Inquisitor, 1 Dispel from Mage follower and Spell Purge. Now all those demons and mage enemies won't stand a chance since you can nullify them. Honestly, if you are playing on Nightmare with Trials, the only good warriors are Blackwall (since he is difficult to kill) and Cassandra (because of her anti-mage powers). Iron Bull is ineffective since AI does not have enough skill to handle a Reaver on Nightmare with Trials.

[midnight tea]

Okay... so I'm finishing main quest in Wrothgar (ESO DLC) on my main character (took me a while), and I don't know if this is the sign that I spend to much time in DA-verse and see references everywhere, but when a somewhat Sera-ish wood elf that is one of main characters there starts to babble about how she's found this bakery with delicious tiny little cakes, all I can do is:

 

 

"... did they, or did they not?"

[CapricornSun]

Art again.

 

'The gods have gone silent.' by nipuni. Gorgeous art of Solas and an eluvian. 

Spoiler

Source: http://nipuni.tumblr...y-da-prints-are

 

 

Young Solas and the man he becomes.

Spoiler

Source: http://destinyaposta...-you-dont-carry

 

 

Solas in a man bun.

Spoiler

Source: http://truesanguines...1/solas-man-bun

 

 

Bald WIP version.

Spoiler

Source: http://truesanguines...ald-or-should-i

 

 

An evil-looking concept!Solas.

Spoiler

Source: https://what-it-mean...correct-but-its

 

 

A nice Solas 3D render.

Spoiler

Source: http://louvette.tumb...689/solas-in-bw

 

 

 

'Hold her while you still can'. Solavellan.

Spoiler

Source: http://hamstershepar...sly-easy-to-see

 

 

Close up:

 

 

Solas and Lavellan resting by the statue of Fen'harel.

Spoiler

Source: http://artbyanca.tum...h-this-a-moment

 

 

Modern AU Solavellan: Selfie!

Spoiler

Source: http://paranoidfacto...42362291/selfie

 

 

Another sketch of the AU where Lavellan is the Dread Wolf and Solas is the Inquisitor.

Spoiler

Source: http://vladimirka.tu...-the-dread-wolf

 

 

 

EDIT: Adding this....

 

Gorgeous art of Solas and Lavellan by shalizeh7.

Spoiler

Source: http://shalizeh7.tum...lan-playthrough

 

Modifié par CapricornSun, 06 mars 2016 - 06:35 .

[CapricornSun]

*looks around* Things are quiet here.   

 

Art post.

 

Modern AU Solas: Milkshake sharing? More like milkshake no sharing!

Spoiler

Source: http://paranoidfacto...hake-no-sharing

 

 

Grumpy mornings. Solas and Lavellan. 

Spoiler

Source: http://paranoidfacto...l-bedtime-now-i

 

 

Solas x Male Lavellan.

Spoiler

Source: http://namibulist.tu...140542822501/oh

 

 

When the green hits the Black City just right, the Fade just sings~ 

Spoiler

Source: http://awesomonster....-just-right-the

 

 

[Donquijote and 59 others]

Of course Solas believes the Evanuris deserved their fate. 

I think the problem is not Solas as much as it is Mythal.

Mythal clearly believes that what the Evanuris suffered is not enough and she want to do something more (maybe kill them)

Flemeth said that the Evanuris betrayed the world so probably this revenge of her isn't only about what they did to her and since she know that the Evanuris were not responsible for the veil maybe she referenced to the blights.

[NightSymphony]

And even more art

 

Lavellan comforting Solas

http://martini-septe...mfort-594677153

 

Solas and Lavellan in Greyscale

http://joydart.devia...-Test-594620379

 

Sadness

http://cindycerberus...ts-Us-594516974

 

Tiny little Solas Sprite

http://houndicus.dev...prite-594441780

 

Well done comic

http://ladyfleabitte...-Done-594964571

 

Skipping sleep..naughty language :-P

http://kasonsama.dev...edraw-594318394

 

The Marauder's Map of Skyhold

http://norroendyrd.d...cious-594545766

[thaali]

 

Art again.

 

'The gods have gone silent.' by nipuni. Gorgeous art of Solas and an eluvian. 

Spoiler

Source: http://nipuni.tumblr...y-da-prints-are

 

 

 

If I could just have a quarter of her talent I'd be a happy girl.  Seriously, and how does she push them out so fast, girl is amazing.

[CapricornSun]

If I could just have a quarter of her talent I'd be a happy girl.  Seriously, and how does she push them out so fast, girl is amazing.

 

I know right? I wish I could do art as fast (and as gorgeous) as she does.

[Aren]

I wonder when Solas will finally make the proposal....

Spoiler

[thats1evildude]

Here's some dirty Solas fanart. NSFW obviously:

http://ladytheirin.d...rn-AU-594863312

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Here's a thought - If Solas could do Fade Tongues, it is possible for him to pull of a Dr.Manhattan and make 'copies' of himself in the Fade to pleasure Lavellan ?

 

[Uirebhiril]

Here's a thought - If Solas could do Fade Tongues, it is possible for him to pull of a Dr.Manhattan and make 'copies' of himself in the Fade to pleasure Lavellan ?

 

 

[Bayonet Hipshot]

 

Watchmen movie. Check it out.