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[DiannaK]

Here's a thought - If Solas could do Fade Tongues, it is possible for him to pull of a Dr.Manhattan and make 'copies' of himself in the Fade to pleasure Lavellan ?

 

[dawnstone]

Here's a thought - If Solas could do Fade Tongues, it is possible for him to pull of a Dr.Manhattan and make 'copies' of himself in the Fade to pleasure Lavellan ?

 

Honestly, he has the power to go into Lavellan's dreams, he can give her anything she wants.

 

 

[midnight tea]

Here's a thought - If Solas could do Fade Tongues, it is possible for him to pull of a Dr.Manhattan and make 'copies' of himself in the Fade to pleasure Lavellan ?

 

 

Ew. Both me and my Lavellan would be freaked out by this. So was Silk Spectre in Watchmen.

 

Also - what does French kiss in the Fade has to do with making copies of oneself  ?

[Ellawynn]

Here's a thought - If Solas could do Fade Tongues, it is possible for him to pull of a Dr.Manhattan and make 'copies' of himself in the Fade to pleasure Lavellan ?

 

 

There's probably porn of it somewhere.

 

Incidentally, I've never seen or read Watchmen, so I'm just going to nod and pretend I know what you're talking about.

[Elessara]

There's probably porn of it somewhere.

 

Incidentally, I've never seen or read Watchmen, so I'm just going to nod and pretend I know what you're talking about.

 

I know what he's talking about but honestly the idea never occurred to me ... and I find it really creepy lol.

[CapricornSun]

Art break.

 

Solas with long elfy hair by nipuni. Wow! 

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Source: http://nipuni.tumblr...air-im-sorry-im

 

 

"I told you not to follow me, da'len..." by kallielef.

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Source: http://kallielef.tum...to-follow-dalen

 

 

'There is only death on this journey.' 

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Source: http://destinyaposta...on-this-journey

 

 

Solas based on his tarot card.

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Source: http://athousanddayy...olas-tarot-card

 

 

When you tear down the veil and destroy the world juuust right.

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Source: http://stillnovember...stroy-the-world

 

 

Solas for the emoji meme.

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Source: http://atarial.tumbl...253815/solas-b3

 

 

Modern AU Solavellan relaxing on the couch with Lavellan playing the guitar and Solas laying on her lap. 

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Source: http://itskabe.tumbl...while-modern-au

 

 

'Fen'Harel ma ghilana'. Solas and Lavellan walking through the eluvian together.

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Source: http://kiibster.tumb...arel-ma-ghilana

 

 

Lineart of Solas, Lavellan, and their child.

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Source: http://miharilavella...-now-we-have-an

 

 

"You will be my undoing." (Solavellan)

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Source: http://callmemissus-...realized-that-i

 

 

Solas, Cole, Sera, and mini Iron Bull.

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Source: http://hopahopa.tumb...i-the-iron-bull

 

 

Portaits of the DA:I companions. Nice art style!

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Source: http://wrandonbu.tum...ortraits-of-the

 

[NightSymphony]

*dreamy sigh* Solas with long elfy hair...

[Bayonet Hipshot]

*dreamy sigh* Solas with long elfy hair...

 

 

Nah, if Solas ever grew hair, he would have Trump's hair. Why ?

 

Because Solas wants to MAKE ELVHEN GREAT AGAIN !
 

That's probably why he told our Inquisitors that they do not want to see what he would end up becoming.

 

[Addictress]

Mmmm nipuni never fails to deliver

[Ellawynn]

Only semi tangentially related but Aicosu updated her Dishonored fic Diplomatic Gestures today!

 

It's been dead for a year. And it's really nice. And I'm just happy about it. 

[Brass_Buckles]

Popping in to say that hey, I kind-of (the last chapter needs a rewrite so badly, so so badly) finished Endless Journey and I'm thinking about starting the next fic tonight.  AU fic, probably OCxSolas (if it works out, at least), not a self-insert, inspired by TheHidden1's Lies Upon Lies.  But... only inspired.  If there are similarities in how her fic ends up explaining certain things, and how mine does, that's pretty much coincidental because I have no idea what she's planning (and she hasn't updated in too long and I really wish she would because that fic is awesome and noooo please write mooore!).

 

Ahem.

 

So yeah.  I will make a post to promote it when I get the new fic going.  I'm way more excited about it than I ever was Endless Journey.

[CapricornSun]

Art post.

 

Man bun Solas by nipuni. Hnnnngh!   (Look, I'll always love bald Solas but this is just too sexy for me not to like.)

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Source: http://nipuni.tumblr...you-should-draw

 

 

Adorable, gorgeous art of Solas kissing Lavellan's cheeks. (The colors! )

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Source: http://ryliesavage.t...ut-i-didnt-like

 

 

Happy Solavellan family.

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Source: http://slayersangel....use-her-writing

 

 

When you're doing the betraying juuuust right. (Starring kidquisitor xD)

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Source: http://coffeependulu...g-juuuust-right

 

 

Solas glancing at Lavellan.

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Source: http://direchinchill...r-got-around-to

 

 

Some Solas sketches.

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Source: http://destinyaposta...-pencil-brushes

 

 

Sleepy Solas for the emoji meme. 

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Source: http://bbwind.tumblr...ed-from-twitter

 

 

Solas sketch.

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Source: http://sin-harel.tum...02/solas-sketch

 

 

Solas can't hold all those vhenans.

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Source: http://bluekrishna10...still-also-this

 

 

Post-Tresasser Solas meets his grown up son.

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Source: http://neboou.tumblr...their-headcanon

 

[Contraire]

I’ve started my first DA2 playthrough a few days ago (I know, I’m doing this exactly the wrong way around ; first playing Inquisition, then getting to Kirkwall, and I haven’t even touched Origins yet) and I’m utterly charmed by Merrill.

 

I’ve only just finished Act 1, but I’m wondering what Solas would make of her. From what I can see, she’d definitely strike points with him for being open-minded (some would say too much) and very much on the side of “spirit, not demon” approach to Fade beings. I’m sure you all already have had this discussion, but of course it’s all new to me and I don’t fancy reading the whole thread to try and find it, though I wouldn’t say no to links to meta if you’ve got them!

 

Merrill’s also interesting wrt to Solas because of her attitude toward the Dalish – both her criticizing them and her considering their culture as the product of history, not something unchanged and unchanging. My favorite Merrill quote for now is her banter with Anders, when he pontificates that “spirits are the Maker’s first children”, and she replies that “it’s a story to explain things. We have our own stories; we don’t need to borrow yours.” Which shows exactly the sort of self-awareness Solas doesn’t seem to realize the Dalish are capable of.

 

And at the same time, given the sort of well-meaning disasters I've gathered happen in later acts, I wonder what he’d make of her. How close to home would she hit? (Does anyone have fic about Solas-and-Merrill meeting, btw?  Preferably gen.)

 

…That was longer than expected. Sorry but not really, discussion and pointing in the general direction to previous discussions on the topic welcome!

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

I hope Merrill makes an appearance in the next game, along with Fenris, and we get to hear their opinions on the Fen'Harel situation. I know Merrill wouldn't be ok with Solas' plan, and I'd like to think she is savvy enough to realize there's more to his plans than he's potentially shared with her, but I can see him having approached her. I'd like to see them interact, but I'd have loved it before the reveal, I think; when Merrill and the player could treat Solas like he was any other elf with interesting ideas. And Merrill with Cole would be interesting. (Fenris with Cole would likely start out awful, but possibly end up adorable.)

[Ellawynn]

I'm not sure we'll ever see them again, really. BioWare seems to be doing their damndest to sweep DA2 and everything in it under the rug. Only Varric (The best received thing about the game) was allowed to come back - even Anders was sort of downplayed and forgotten about, despite being the most important thing that happened. But DA2 reeaaally wasn't well-received, and BioWare made every attempt to make Inquisition different from it. 

[Elessara]

I'm not sure we'll ever see them again, really. BioWare seems to be doing their damndest to sweep DA2 and everything in it under the rug. Only Varric (The best received thing about the game) was allowed to come back - even Anders was sort of downplayed and forgotten about, despite being the most important thing that happened. But DA2 reeaaally wasn't well-received, and BioWare made every attempt to make Inquisition different from it. 

 

I think it's this plus the companions in DA2 could have very different outcomes depending on player choice and it would be difficult to handle in future games.  Fenris could have 2 very different futures depending on player choice as could Anders.  Mostly I believe the devs are going to steer away from reusing previous characters that could be dead (or might as well be in the case of what could happen to Fenris).  I think at most what we'll see in these cases is a brief mention or maybe a small cameo.

 

The likelyhood of seeing the following DA2 companions (all my opinion):

 

Isabela - possible but unlikely.

Merrill - not sure, she can't die so I think it's possible.

Varric - highly unlikely.  He can't die but he's also a leader of a nation state now.

Anders - highly unlikely due to the possibility of death.

Fenris - unlikely due to his divergent possible futures (trying not to be too spoilery for Contraire).

Sebastian - highly unlikely, he's either a prince or ... something.

Bethany/Carver - highly unlikely as one or the other definitely dies and I don't see them going through the effort of pulling a Virmire Survivor.

Avelline - highly unlikely.  Can't die but is a guard captain in Kirkwall.

 

I think it's entirely likely that, should the next game be set in Tevinter as heavily implied, we'll see Dorian again.  I doubt we'll ever see Bull again (because Trespasser) and even if he was in a relationship with Dorian we probably won't hear about it (it's not mentioned in the Keep).  We might see Cole again though, he could turn up as either human or spirit.  I'm not counting Solas in this for obvious reasons.  We actually may hear from Cassandra again (Trespasser ending, I believe she's there regardless of being Divine or not).    The other DAI companions are probably also unlikely due to their current situations in southern Thedas. 

 

For the non-companions from DAI,  we may see Calpernia (she exists even if you side with the Mages, you just don't hear about her and I believe she doesn't die on screen).  We may see Scout Harding again (Trespasser ending).  We may hear from Leliana, regardless of ending.

 

Can't really think of any others, anyone else?

[Illyria]

I hope Merrill makes an appearance in the next game, along with Fenris, and we get to hear their opinions on the Fen'Harel situation. I know Merrill wouldn't be ok with Solas' plan, and I'd like to think she is savvy enough to realize there's more to his plans than he's potentially shared with her, but I can see him having approached her. I'd like to see them interact, but I'd have loved it before the reveal, I think; when Merrill and the player could treat Solas like he was any other elf with interesting ideas. And Merrill with Cole would be interesting. (Fenris with Cole would likely start out awful, but possibly end up adorable.)

 

Inquisitor Merrill is one of my favourite AUs.  I'd love to see her relationship with Solas and their interactions.  And it would be great to see Merrill leading for once.  She was First, she was trained to lead.

[Ellawynn]

I think it's this plus the companions in DA2 could have very different outcomes depending on player choice and it would be difficult to handle in future games.  Fenris could have 2 very different futures depending on player choice as could Anders.  Mostly I believe the devs are going to steer away from reusing previous characters that could be dead (or might as well be in the case of what could happen to Fenris).  I think at most what we'll see in these cases is a brief mention or maybe a small cameo.

 

The likelyhood of seeing the following DA2 companions (all my opinion):

 

Isabela - possible but unlikely.

Merrill - not sure, she can't die so I think it's possible.

Varric - highly unlikely.  He can't die but he's also a leader of a nation state now.

Anders - highly unlikely due to the possibility of death.

Fenris - unlikely due to his divergent possible futures (trying not to be too spoilery for Contraire).

Sebastian - highly unlikely, he's either a prince or ... something.

Bethany/Carver - highly unlikely as one or the other definitely dies and I don't see them going through the effort of pulling a Virmire Survivor.

Avelline - highly unlikely.  Can't die but is a guard captain in Kirkwall.

 

I think it's entirely likely that, should the next game be set in Tevinter as heavily implied, we'll see Dorian again.  I doubt we'll ever see Bull again (because Trespasser) and even if he was in a relationship with Dorian we probably won't hear about it (it's not mentioned in the Keep).  We might see Cole again though, he could turn up as either human or spirit.  I'm not counting Solas in this for obvious reasons.  We actually may hear from Cassandra again (Trespasser ending, I believe she's there regardless of being Divine or not).    The other DAI companions are probably also unlikely due to their current situations in southern Thedas. 

 

For the non-companions from DAI,  we may see Calpernia (she exists even if you side with the Mages, you just don't hear about her and I believe she doesn't die on screen).  We may see Scout Harding again (Trespasser ending).  We may hear from Leliana, regardless of ending.

 

Can't really think of any others, anyone else?

 

Sten. He's from Origins, he's with the Qunari, and you can't kill him at all (Even if you don't release him, he just gets left there and potentially escapes later, and his mutiny ends in him simply leaving.) The Alistair comics show him promoted to Arishok. 

 

But personally, I'm not really crazy about the recurring companion idea to begin with. It felt awkward with Oghren (Granted, this is also because his Origins ending was retconned off screen.) Anders was a mess from start to finish that I'm not going into. Varric felt... lifeless in Inquisition (To me at least) which makes sense given what he's gone through, but it also feels like he just lost all his personality. Repeatedly I wondered why he was even there - yeah, yeah, he feels guilty for enabling Anders and finding the idol, but the game never really lets you deal with that. It's a character arc that's awkwardly shoved in and left unresolved, just so the writers have an excuse to keep him around. And a pretty shoddy one, too, given that he's indirectly responsible at best.

 

And Dorian (Who'll likely be the next example of the recurring companion - even if he isn't, this still stands.) just feels like a walking sequel hook. Like Varric, he gets this whole arc ("I'll redeem Tevinter!") that's just... there. You can ask him about it. But you can't really connect to it, or advance it in any way. It's this part of this character that feels like it should be doing something, going somewhere, but isn't - probably because it's all being saved for the next game. In addition to making him feel unfinished, it paints him as extremely lazy and easily distracted, too. "I'm going to redeem Tevinter!" Dorian cries for the fifth or fourth time, before he goes to lounge around my library and maybe hate-flirt with Bull. Why is he there if he has this burning passion? Shouldn't he have left after we took care of Redcliffe - or after the mess with his father, at least? But he's kept around because he "needs" to be a companion, when I feel like his character would benefited far more if he had a major role in the Redcliffe quest and then left to actually get sh*t done. (Although that runs the risk of making him seem like a non-sequitur.) Instead he seems like an armchair rebel with no character arc. 

 

So while I know it's unlikely, I'd rather they have recurring characters as NPCs and made the companions new every time (Unless the character has a damn good reason to be involved both the first and second time.) I'm not crazy about bringing in extended universe characters either, because outside of Cole they've all seemed random, OOC, or outright obnoxious. But I think that's easier to pull off, and more a case of giving characters enough time to explain themselves and their background as well as develop their arc. 

[Elessara]

Sten. He's from Origins, he's with the Qunari, and you can't kill him at all (Even if you don't release him, he just gets left there and potentially escapes later, and his mutiny ends in him simply leaving.) The Alistair comics show him promoted to Arishok. 

 

But personally, I'm not really crazy about the recurring companion idea to begin with. It felt awkward with Oghren (Granted, this is also because his Origins ending was retconned off screen.) Anders was a mess from start to finish that I'm not going into. Varric felt... lifeless in Inquisition (To me at least) which makes sense given what he's gone through, but it also feels like he just lost all his personality. Repeatedly I wondered why he was even there - yeah, yeah, he feels guilty for enabling Anders and finding the idol, but the game never really lets you deal with that. It's a character arc that's awkwardly shoved in and left unresolved, just so the writers have an excuse to keep him around. And a pretty shoddy one, too, given that he's indirectly responsible at best.

 

And Dorian (Who'll likely be the next example of the recurring companion - even if he isn't, this still stands.) just feels like a walking sequel hook. Like Varric, he gets this whole arc ("I'll redeem Tevinter!") that's just... there. You can ask him about it. But you can't really connect to it, or advance it in any way. It's this part of this character that feels like it should be doing something, going somewhere, but isn't - probably because it's all being saved for the next game. In addition to making him feel unfinished, it paints him as extremely lazy and easily distracted, too. "I'm going to redeem Tevinter!" Dorian cries for the fifth or fourth time, before he goes to lounge around my library and maybe hate-flirt with Bull. Why is he there if he has this burning passion? Shouldn't he have left after we took care of Redcliffe - or after the mess with his father, at least? But he's kept around because he "needs" to be a companion, when I feel like his character would benefited far more if he had a major role in the Redcliffe quest and then left to actually get sh*t done. (Although that runs the risk of making him seem like a non-sequitur.) Instead he seems like an armchair rebel with no character arc. 

 

So while I know it's unlikely, I'd rather they have recurring characters as NPCs and made the companions new every time (Unless the character has a damn good reason to be involved both the first and second time.) I'm not crazy about bringing in extended universe characters either, because outside of Cole they've all seemed random, OOC, or outright obnoxious. But I think that's easier to pull off, and more a case of giving characters enough time to explain themselves and their background as well as develop their arc. 

 

 

Yes, I believe Sten is the Arishok now so, given what's going on with Tevinter, we may well encounter him again.  Varric said he'd met both Arishoks - the one from Kirkwall and the present one - and he only met the present one in the comics (I believe).

 

I was not a fan of Oghren.  I was displeased with his return in Awakening.  But seeing as how he's a Grey Warden now and may very well have been sacrificed in that blood ritual or died at Adamant or whatever - well I don't think we'll be seeing Oghren again.

 

I actually can understand Dorian.  Yes he wants to save his country from itself but he doesn't know *how* so he'll start by doing what he *can* do which is help stop the Venatori which are a big part of the problem with his country (as he sees it).  So it's not that he's not doing anything about it he's simply doing what he is capable of at this point in time.  When he becomes an actual magister he'll have more political pull and he does return to Tevinter to try to make things better.  And honestly I don't think we'll even have Dorian as a companion again, I think he'll be an NPC.  It was silly enough having Vivienne traipse around with us when she should have been used as a counselor or ambassador, working with Leliana and Josephine.  Dorian is a magister now and hopefully he won't be trotting around getting into trouble.  He will probably be more useful as a contact NPC who gives information/quests.

 

Varric didn't feel so much lifeless as ... darker.  His snark had more bite and was less lighthearted.  I do agree that his presence felt a bit awkward.  But they tied his story up so we are really unlikely to see him again.

 

I think Gaider said that the content in Inquisition was only about half of the story they wanted to tell though so that is perhaps why Dorian feels like a walking sequel hook.  He most likely wasn't intended to be used as a setup to the sequel and the story was supposed to flow naturally into Tevinter rather than stop where it did.

[Ellawynn]

 

I think Gaider said that the content in Inquisition was only about half of the story they wanted to tell though so that is perhaps why Dorian feels like a walking sequel hook.  He most likely wasn't intended to be used as a setup to the sequel and the story was supposed to flow naturally into Tevinter rather than stop where it did.

 

I've wondered if that's the reason before. It still irks me a little, because I feel like it's the story suffering to accommodate Inquisition's open-world, but it's not as bad the writer's trying to shoe-horn characters in for no reason. 

 

 

And honestly I don't think we'll even have Dorian as a companion again, I think he'll be an NPC.  It was silly enough having Vivienne traipse around with us when she should have been used as a counselor or ambassador, working with Leliana and Josephine. 

 

 

 

Yeah, it's really weird some of the companions just felt sort of... there. Like, leaving aside the reasons the character has for hanging around, sometimes I wondered why the Inquisition even kept them, or at least gave them so much significance. Blackwall is probably the worst example of this - he's really just a single individual. He doesn't have an organization or any special expertise. He pretends to have those things, but given that he refuses to give away any Warden secrets or even contact them for help (Because he can't even actually do it) he should've been treated like just another soldier. He brings nothing to the table but himself - and unlike Solas, he has no unique or vital expertise that would make him individually valuable - so why does the game treat him as on par with everyone else? He's basically a common soldier, and surely the Inquisition's not that ragtag. 

 

Bull's another bad example - he's only got a few mercenaries, which puts him a few rungs above Blackwall, but I still question if that'd make him particularly important. Sera at least has an extensive organization - but it's also a very controversial one, that not only runs the risk of introducing instability into the Inquisition, but could potentially alienate the nobility too. 

 

Vivienne's presence never made a terrific amount of sense to me either, but at least she's a political juggernaut with great connections. Cass, Varric, and Solas were there before the beginning, so it makes sense that the Inquisitor would put them in the Inner Circle (And Cass and Solas have authority over the Chantry and unmatched knowledge of the Fade, respectively.) Dorian also seems politically well-connected, and you could make the argument that the Inquisitor's personally indebted to him. And Cole... well Cole's less like an adviser and more like a stray cat that the Inquisitor accidentally fed once. (And you could make the case that the Inquisitor's also personally indebted to him.) So those guys make sense - but everyone else? Someone of them you probably shouldn't even recruit, much less make a trusted adviser. 

 

It all just seems so random to me sometimes. Like they made a core of Cass/Dorian/Solas, and then shoved other companions in at random to get an 3/3/3 split of the classes - and not all of them fit very well. 

[Sah291]

I hope Merrill makes an appearance in the next game, along with Fenris, and we get to hear their opinions on the Fen'Harel situation. I know Merrill wouldn't be ok with Solas' plan, and I'd like to think she is savvy enough to realize there's more to his plans than he's potentially shared with her, but I can see him having approached her. I'd like to see them interact, but I'd have loved it before the reveal, I think; when Merrill and the player could treat Solas like he was any other elf with interesting ideas. And Merrill with Cole would be interesting. (Fenris with Cole would likely start out awful, but possibly end up adorable.)

I sort of modeled my Quizzy's background after Merrill a bit. I think the way the Inquisitor is written, she comes off much more serious and less aloof....but there's small moments that totally reminded me of Merrill. Like the whole "Is that a serious question" comment from Solas when you ask about Varric being with the Chantry... Or when you get that first banter about the Dalish, and Varric is all "can't you elves get along"... You just know he's heard Merrill and Fenris have that same argument a hundred times already. Then if you are a mage you can ask about blood magic...and a million other questions. Lavellan has Merrill's curiosity for sure.

[Elessara]

 

I've wondered if that's the reason before. It still irks me a little, because I feel like it's the story suffering to accommodate Inquisition's open-world, but it's not as bad the writer's trying to shoe-horn characters in for no reason. 

 

 

 

Yeah, it's really weird some of the companions just felt sort of... there. Like, leaving aside the reasons the character has for hanging around, sometimes I wondered why the Inquisition even kept them, or at least gave them so much significance. Blackwall is probably the worst example of this - he's really just a single individual. He doesn't have an organization or any special expertise. He pretends to have those things, but given that he refuses to give away any Warden secrets or even contact them for help (Because he can't even actually do it) he should've been treated like just another soldier. He brings nothing to the table but himself - and unlike Solas, he has no unique or vital expertise that would make him individually valuable - so why does the game treat him as on par with everyone else? He's basically a common soldier, and surely the Inquisition's not that ragtag. 

 

Bull's another bad example - he's only got a few mercenaries, which puts him a few rungs above Blackwall, but I still question if that'd make him particularly important. Sera at least has an extensive organization - but it's also a very controversial one, that not only runs the risk of introducing instability into the Inquisition, but could potentially alienate the nobility too. 

 

Vivienne's presence never made a terrific amount of sense to me either, but at least she's a political juggernaut with great connections. Cass, Varric, and Solas were there before the beginning, so it makes sense that the Inquisitor would put them in the Inner Circle (And Cass and Solas have authority over the Chantry and unmatched knowledge of the Fade, respectively.) Dorian also seems politically well-connected, and you could make the argument that the Inquisitor's personally indebted to him. And Cole... well Cole's less like an adviser and more like a stray cat that the Inquisitor accidentally fed once. (And you could make the case that the Inquisitor's also personally indebted to him.) So those guys make sense - but everyone else? Someone of them you probably shouldn't even recruit, much less make a trusted adviser. 

 

It all just seems so random to me sometimes. Like they made a core of Cass/Dorian/Solas, and then shoved other companions in at random to get an 3/3/3 split of the classes - and not all of them fit very well. 

 

 

Bull has more mercenaries than it appears.  We only see the small group that gets introduced to us during that one cutscene but there are more of them.  Bull even says the others went to go find more drinks (or stronger drinks) during that one scene.  He also has contacts to a lot of other mercenary bands which could be useful if the Inquisition wanted to hire them or even use them to influence other events (like they can do during at least one war table mission).  And of course, he's Ben Hassrath.

[midnight tea]

And Dorian (Who'll likely be the next example of the recurring companion - even if he isn't, this still stands.) just feels like a walking sequel hook. Like Varric, he gets this whole arc ("I'll redeem Tevinter!") that's just... there. You can ask him about it. But you can't really connect to it, or advance it in any way. It's this part of this character that feels like it should be doing something, going somewhere, but isn't - probably because it's all being saved for the next game. In addition to making him feel unfinished, it paints him as extremely lazy and easily distracted, too. "I'm going to redeem Tevinter!" Dorian cries for the fifth or fourth time, before he goes to lounge around my library and maybe hate-flirt with Bull. Why is he there if he has this burning passion? Shouldn't he have left after we took care of Redcliffe - or after the mess with his father, at least? But he's kept around because he "needs" to be a companion, when I feel like his character would benefited far more if he had a major role in the Redcliffe quest and then left to actually get sh*t done. (Although that runs the risk of making him seem like a non-sequitur.) Instead he seems like an armchair rebel with no character arc. 

 

That's a somewhat unfair assessment of Dorian, IMO. He isn't "just there" - he joins the Inquisition in order to help stop Tevinter horror from the past. Like Solas, and many others, he feels that the best way to help his cause (Tevinter) is through Inquisition, which IMO is a good idea. Plus, I have a feeling that Dorian has a need to be involved with what is pretty much a noble cause, at least compared to shenanigans inside of Tevinter.

 

Also - what is he supposed to do after Redcliffe? He's a pariah among his peers, shunned and ridiculed and an embarrassment to his family. You think Inquisition bragged about time travel, finding out about Cory's future secret plans, or Dorian basically singlehandedly saving the world (if we choose Redcliffe), when Dorian himself is extremely wary of spreading news of new, untested magic or unexplained events? There was hardly anything he could do inside of Tevinter (except perhaps die from Venatori hands I suppose), while when he's Inquisition, we have multiple war table missions and quests, including one through which Inquisition basically directly helps Mevaris gain some foothold and create what will later become Lucerni. 

 

Plus when he sticks with Inquisition and it's successful, he's getting a lot of "street cred" that way. I'm also not really sure what is so bad about Dorian having an arc of growing his backbone a bit, gaining some confidence and breaking his habit of distancing himself from everything or running away from problems and deciding that after that whole mess he'll try and fix Tevinter from inside. That's a decent arc. From well-meaning, but pampered and somewhat directionless prince to experienced war veteran and passionate activist. Plus, since we might suspect that Dorian will appear in some major role in DA4, we'll see some form of continuation of that, I'm sure.

[Ellawynn]

That's a somewhat unfair assessment of Dorian, IMO. He isn't "just there" - he joins the Inquisition in order to help stop Tevinter horror from the past. Like Solas, and many others, he feels that the best way to help his cause (Tevinter) is through Inquisition, which IMO is a good idea. Plus, I have a feeling that Dorian has a need to be involved with what is pretty much a noble cause, at least compared to shenanigans inside of Tevinter.

 

 

I don't really want to get into another argument to clutter up the thread, so I'm trying to keep from replying to everything, but I'd like to say this - "Help stop the end of the world," while a perfectly logical motivation, is not a particularly creative or interesting one. Which is part of what makes Dorian so frustrating for me - Dorian did have an interesting, unique motivation, and the game did nothing with it. It got brushed aside for the "help stop the end of the world," because they needed him to be there but didn't want to develop the most interesting part of his character until the next game.

[Elessara]

I don't really want to get into another argument to clutter up the thread, so I'm trying to keep from replying to everything, but I'd like to say this - "Help stop the end of the world," while a perfectly logical motivation, is not a particularly creative or interesting one. Which is part of what makes Dorian so frustrating for me - Dorian did have an interesting, unique motivation, and the game did nothing with it. It got brushed aside for the "help stop the end of the world," because they needed him to be there but didn't want to develop the most interesting part of his character until the next game.

 

Well to be honest, all we have right now is character discussion and speculation on the next game.  Might as well talk about something!

 

Also, Solas!