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[Brass_Buckles]

I always did wonder if the vallaslin Felassan was wearing was that of Sylaise - it does twist and turn a lot. Also, I recall Weekes saying pre-DAI that questions about the vallaslin was spoilerish... I wonder whether the spoiler would be who's vallaslin he was wearing or if it was fake?

 

 

I'm pretty sure that this chart has Dirthamen and Falon'din confused.  Dirthamen's vallaslin would be the one with the raven (I know, it looked like an owl to me too...).  Falon'din's would be the tree.

 

I think this chart was fan-created prior to when the developers actually released the official one.  Other than that the chart is correct, though.

 

But yes.  As Tea stated, indeed the it was said that Felassan probably wore Mythal's vallaslin.  While it's true that Solas would probably be okay with people choosing to keep vallaslin--without choice, freedom means little--it might also be he's more okay with Mythal's vallaslin than anyone else's.

 

We still don't know precisely what Solas's connection to Mythal was, though.  He probably served her (though we don't really have much evidence for it one way or another), and he might have been a guard or sentinel of sorts himself.  It's suggested that he set himself free (but we can't be sure that this was necessarily from Mythal or even that Solas is the "he" who "burned her off of his face"), but we don't know why he did so--either because of his own belief in freedom, or she did something or forced him to do something that he didn't agree with.  She clearly did have servants, at the very least, and, as the Sentinels were bound to her will, you could definitely consider them slaves.  Solas is against taking away people's free will--so if Mythal were up to that, why does Solas still believe her to be the best of the Evanuris?

 

So complicated, that...

[TheyCallMeBunny]

I'm pretty sure that this chart has Dirthamen and Falon'din confused.  Dirthamen's vallaslin would be the one with the raven (I know, it looked like an owl to me too...).  Falon'din's would be the tree.

 

I think this chart was fan-created prior to when the developers actually released the official one.  Other than that the chart is correct, though.

 

But yes.  As Tea stated, indeed the it was said that Felassan probably wore Mythal's vallaslin.  While it's true that Solas would probably be okay with people choosing to keep vallaslin--without choice, freedom means little--it might also be he's more okay with Mythal's vallaslin than anyone else's.

 

We still don't know precisely what Solas's connection to Mythal was, though.  He probably served her (though we don't really have much evidence for it one way or another), and he might have been a guard or sentinel of sorts himself.  It's suggested that he set himself free (but we can't be sure that this was necessarily from Mythal or even that Solas is the "he" who "burned her off of his face"), but; we don't know why he did so--either because of his own belief in freedom, or she did something or forced him to do something that he didn't agree with.  She clearly did have servants, at the very least, and, as the Sentinels were bound to her will, you could definitely consider them slaves.  Solas is against taking away people's free will--so if Mythal were up to that, why does Solas still believe her to be the best of the Evanuris?

 

So complicated, that...

 

You are right, I didn't notice they mixed up the vallaslin until you pointed it out. Still curious though if Felassan had real vallaslin or if he faked it to look more Dalish. 

[ladyiolanthe]

No, that was it.  I just couldn't remember what had me thinking there might be something off about his vallaslin.  Thanks!

 

You're most welcome!

[CapricornSun]

Art post.

 

Raewynn Lavellan wants to adopt Khiv Lavellan. Solas says 'No'.

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Source: http://obsidianreave...ed-to-have-been

 

 

And Now She Knows. Lavellan facing off against Solas.

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Source: http://crystalnyam.t...like-i-got-some

 

 

Solas and a napping male Lavellan. (Solas x m!Lavellan)

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Source: http://xxxxwitlee.tu...dear-i-saw-your

 

 

Gorgeous Solas doodle. (This is a doodle?!  )

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Source: http://tycheh.tumblr...st/141824348735

 

 

Love like you. Solas in his romance card outfit.

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Source: http://athousanddayy...8/love-like-you

 

 

Crying Trespasser Solas.

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Source: http://destinyaposta...ires-all-voices

 

 

Trespasser Solas.

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Source: http://killthatsketc...86429/a-sad-egg

 

 

"You should have seen me when I was younger. Hot-booded and cocky, always ready to fight." Concept!Solas.

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Source: http://slayersangel....n-i-was-younger

 

 

"It was not supposed to happen this way."  Whoops! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Source: http://trashwarden.t...this-way-i-dont

 

 

Happy Easter sketches of Solas, Dorian and Cullen.

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Source: http://creepyscienti...ith-some-thedas

 

[Addictress]

That's an insightful point. It's why I really like the contrast between the romanced Solas tarot card and the Dread Wolf card (as "Solas" is slipping away into his fearsome shadow).

**SIGH**

[Sifr]

"It was not supposed to happen this way."  Whoops! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Source: http://trashwarden.t...this-way-i-dont

 

 

I loved this SNL sketch already, but having Solas as Kylo Fen'Harel makes it perfect!

 

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

"It was not supposed to happen this way."  Whoops! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Source: http://trashwarden.t...this-way-i-dont

 

Kylo Ren and Solas in one piece. I am content.  

[Addictress]

This artwork is not intended to be Solas and it wasn't created by a DA fan but it reminds me of Solas.

 

*posted at http://nondeterminis...st/141848103238 but the artist's signature is in corner

[CapricornSun]

Art break.

 

Solas is the proudest father. Aaah! 

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Source: http://eaven129.tumb...lucky-we-are-to

 

 

Solas tarot card.

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Source: http://magicferry.tu...st-aid-kit-wolf

 

 

WIP art of sad Trespasser Solas.

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Source: http://thesnowmage.t...ons-and-started

 

 

Concept!Solas

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Source: http://fairymymyu.tu...st/141849763779

 

 

Solas and Lavellan done for the ship meme.

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Source: http://snidy.tumblr....the-ship-meme-d

 

 

Fenedhis lasa. Happy Easter! (Solas and Sera)

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Source: http://kurairo-art.t...er-i-painted-an

 

 

Another Easter artwork of Solas and Sera. Poor Solas. 

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Source: http://mainframe-art...57/happy-easter

 

[Maraya96]

Hello this is kind of off topic and I don't know where to ask this as I haven't found an answer anywhere (or maybe I'm an idiot and It was obvious) but this is my first post on a forum so I don't know what to do. I was replaying tresspaser the other day and a few days ago I finished reading the masked empire. I loved the book and Fellasan and it made me see the Wicked Eyes and Wicked Hearts in another light. So, Briala activated the Eluvians in the end of the book and could use them with a password only she had. We also know that Fellasan didn't take the password from her and thus was killed by Solas. But in Trespaser Solas says that he had to attend to the matter personaly and he controls the Eluvians now. So what happened to Briala? Did he steal the password and changed it or was Briala his agent all along or something? I think she would gladly become an agent of Solas to restore power to the elves if she isn't with Celene. I personally found no mention of Briala anywhere in the dlc so I would like to know if I've missed something.

[dawnstone]

Hello this is kind of off topic and I don't know where to ask this as I haven't found an answer anywhere (or maybe I'm an idiot and It was obvious) but this is my first post on a forum so I don't know what to do. I was replaying tresspaser the other day and a few days ago I finished reading the masked empire. I loved the book and Fellasan and it made me see the Wicked Eyes and Wicked Hearts in another light. So, Briala activated the Eluvians in the end of the book and could use them with a password only she had. We also know that Fellasan didn't take the password from her and thus was killed by Solas. But in Trespaser Solas says that he had to attend to the matter personaly and he controls the Eluvians now. So what happened to Briala? Did he steal the password and changed it or was Briala his agent all along or something? I think she would gladly become an agent of Solas to restore power to the elves if she isn't with Celene. I personally found no mention of Briala anywhere in the dlc so I would like to know if I've missed something.

I think Briala can die from the Wicked Eyes Wicked Hearts quest (or maybe that's just Gaspard and Celene, but I've never had Gaspard rule alone so I don't know). Anyway, I doubt that Solas needed anything from her to override the magic on the eluvians, once he had his power upgrade from absorbing Flemeth/Mythal's power. He said he did it personally, which implies no assistance from outside (ie Felassan).

 

He admires Briala, but I don't think she is one of his, as she has her own aspirations to power and is too much like Solas (which Felassan tries to say to him at the end of the book).

[Master Warder Z_]

Solas Art!

 

[Addictress]

How hard is my mod going to crash my game?

 

1. my cursor will simply approach the DAI.exe icon and my computer will explode

2. my cursor will be able to click the icon once, my computer will explode.

 

 

I'm trying to give Solas Thane Krios' clothes

[Brass_Buckles]

So today I had been thinking about Solas and how everyone immediately assumes he must be/have been Wisdom, or at least, that's what he most aligns to even if he were never actually a spirit.  We are kind of given some hints in that direction, being told a few times that wisdom corrupts into pride.  And, Solas's name means Pride.

 

What we aren't told in this game, and what we should probably have gathered by now, is that different spirits can still be corrupted into the same basic "type" of demon.  Command would also probably corrupt into Pride.

 

What I remember of Solas talking about being a hot-headed youth, and the dialogue with Sera where he says, "We were all young once..."  Solas wasn't wise then.  And we have, for the most part, seen that his decisions and poor planning speak of something other than wisdom now.  Maybe what he did was the only way at the time; we don't know.  But that doesn't make Solas wise for changing the entire fabric of reality.  Proud?  Yes.

 

But there's more to it.

 

The one thing that Solas seems to value above everything else, is freedom.

 

(But no, he's interested in the ancient Elvhen! you say--and yes, that's true too, but wait a minute...)

 

Solas didn't want a body.  We don't know if this were because he planned to leave the one he had and become a spirit, or because Mythal forced him to manifest physically.  Thereafter, someone, probably also Mythal, bound him into service--or so it seems to listen to Cole, who implies that Solas burned off his own vallaslin, leaving that little scar on his forehead.  If he were a spirit of freedom, being geased is likely when he began to be corrupted into Pride, if the transition from spirit to flesh hadn't caused it.  He was in a situation that went against his nature.

 

So, Solas set himself free.  Then, despite claiming he thought Mythal was The Best Evanuris, he set about trying to free the other elves.  All of them.  In a time when such ideals essentially didn't exist--Solas may have been the only one in the ancient elven times to think that slavery was wrong.  Again... Freedom.

 

When you hear his banter with Dorian, Solas is most angry about the enslavement of elves and spirits.  He's not pleased about the fall of Arlathan, but the slavery and Dorian's apparent lack of concern for the slaves infuriates him.  As a modern person it bothers me, too.  Knowing Dragon Age lore, it's even more disturbing--those slaves Dorian says are kept like family members are often the first to die when a sacrifice is required for some mage's blood magic ritual.  Being treated well, or like family, doesn't mitigate that.  But I digress.

 

When Cassandra (I think) asks Solas what he believes in, he says he believes in the right of all free-willed beings to exist or something of that nature.  Again... he's worried about freedom or the lack thereof.

 

Oh and remember I mentioned the Elvhen tie into this too?  Well... his people are trapped.  Trapped in the eluvian network, trapped in uthenera.  If I'm right and he is more "freedom" than "wisdom," then that goes so utterly against his nature that he'll do nearly anything to set them free again--not just because they're his people but because they are trapped and they should be free.  It's also telling that the worst punishment he could think of was not death, but eternal entrapment.

 

I'm probably 100% wrong.  There's really no solid evidence for this thought that I had.  It's just that, to me at least, Wisdom feels like a poor fit for Solas, even taking into account that he's at least partly corrupted into Pride.  On the other hand his concern with everyone being free... that fits a different profile.

 

But I would like to hear others' thoughts on the matter!

[myahele]

I get the impression (especially due to the Mask of Fen'Harel in DA:Redemption) that Solas was supposed to have been reawakened much much earlier than now. 

 

Clearly the Veil had unintended consequences, and the rest of the remain elves knew that he was responsible (according the the Library atleast) so I'd imagine that many of his followers/ higher ups were hunted and killed for associating with him. That and rebuilding in a world post veil + facing aging death probably was at the forefront of the elve's concern .... eventually being conquered by the Tevinter.

 

If anything, only those that were in Unthenera prior to the Veil still exists/ live via sleeping. 

[ladyiolanthe]

So today I had been thinking about Solas and how everyone immediately assumes he must be/have been Wisdom, or at least, that's what he most aligns to even if he were never actually a spirit.  We are kind of given some hints in that direction, being told a few times that wisdom corrupts into pride.  And, Solas's name means Pride.

 

What we aren't told in this game, and what we should probably have gathered by now, is that different spirits can still be corrupted into the same basic "type" of demon.  Command would also probably corrupt into Pride.

 

What I remember of Solas talking about being a hot-headed youth, and the dialogue with Sera where he says, "We were all young once..."  Solas wasn't wise then.  And we have, for the most part, seen that his decisions and poor planning speak of something other than wisdom now.  Maybe what he did was the only way at the time; we don't know.  But that doesn't make Solas wise for changing the entire fabric of reality.  Proud?  Yes.

 

But there's more to it.

 

The one thing that Solas seems to value above everything else, is freedom.

 

(But no, he's interested in the ancient Elvhen! you say--and yes, that's true too, but wait a minute...)

 

Solas didn't want a body.  We don't know if this were because he planned to leave the one he had and become a spirit, or because Mythal forced him to manifest physically.  Thereafter, someone, probably also Mythal, bound him into service--or so it seems to listen to Cole, who implies that Solas burned off his own vallaslin, leaving that little scar on his forehead.  If he were a spirit of freedom, being geased is likely when he began to be corrupted into Pride, if the transition from spirit to flesh hadn't caused it.  He was in a situation that went against his nature.

 

So, Solas set himself free.  Then, despite claiming he thought Mythal was The Best Evanuris, he set about trying to free the other elves.  All of them.  In a time when such ideals essentially didn't exist--Solas may have been the only one in the ancient elven times to think that slavery was wrong.  Again... Freedom.

 

When you hear his banter with Dorian, Solas is most angry about the enslavement of elves and spirits.  He's not pleased about the fall of Arlathan, but the slavery and Dorian's apparent lack of concern for the slaves infuriates him.  As a modern person it bothers me, too.  Knowing Dragon Age lore, it's even more disturbing--those slaves Dorian says are kept like family members are often the first to die when a sacrifice is required for some mage's blood magic ritual.  Being treated well, or like family, doesn't mitigate that.  But I digress.

 

When Cassandra (I think) asks Solas what he believes in, he says he believes in the right of all free-willed beings to exist or something of that nature.  Again... he's worried about freedom or the lack thereof.

 

Oh and remember I mentioned the Elvhen tie into this too?  Well... his people are trapped.  Trapped in the eluvian network, trapped in uthenera.  If I'm right and he is more "freedom" than "wisdom," then that goes so utterly against his nature that he'll do nearly anything to set them free again--not just because they're his people but because they are trapped and they should be free.  It's also telling that the worst punishment he could think of was not death, but eternal entrapment.

 

I'm probably 100% wrong.  There's really no solid evidence for this thought that I had.  It's just that, to me at least, Wisdom feels like a poor fit for Solas, even taking into account that he's at least partly corrupted into Pride.  On the other hand his concern with everyone being free... that fits a different profile.

 

But I would like to hear others' thoughts on the matter!

 

Interesting idea; I don't think it's impossible. However, I do find that Solas values wisdom at least as much as he values freedom. He often praises the ability of people to think for themselves, and we get a lot of approval from him for thinking about things or asking questions when we don't know the answer.  There's this, if you bring him with you on Iron Bull's personal quest, too:

 

Gatt: I don't see any tattoos, but you're carrying a staff. Are you from a Chantry Circle?

Solas: No. And I would prefer not to discuss it.

Gatt: Have I done something to offend you?

Solas: You joined the Qun.

Gatt: After they rescued me from slavery.

Solas: And put you into something worse.

Solas: A slave may always struggle for freedom, but you among the Qun have been taught not to think.

Iron Bull: Solas, not the time.

 

Emphasis mine.  Now, I'm not about to say that this refutes your entire idea, but he does seem to value thinking above even freedom in this conversation, at least. Maybe his love of freedom grew from his quest for wisdom?  Hard to say.

 

Edited to add: One of his banters with Iron Bull touches on something similar, too:

 

Solas: Iron Bull. I understand that among your people, you are... what is the term?

Iron Bull: Ben-Hassrath. Secret police. Spies, basically.

Solas: You spied upon your own people.

Iron Bull: Is that so different from Orlais or Ferelden? They have all kinds of people policing them.

Solas: What they say and do, yes. Not what they think.

Iron Bull: What you think is what you say and do.

Solas: No. Even the lowliest peasant may find freedom in the safety of her thoughts. You take even that.

[midnight tea]

So today I had been thinking about Solas and how everyone immediately assumes he must be/have been Wisdom, or at least, that's what he most aligns to even if he were never actually a spirit.  We are kind of given some hints in that direction, being told a few times that wisdom corrupts into pride.  And, Solas's name means Pride.

 

In recent interview with Weekes, he's asked if Solas has had any other names he went by other than those we know. Weekes didn't answer that question; merely said that this is a thing left to be explored in the future. 

 

Therefore I wouldn't say that it's certain that "Solas" is actually his original name, or is one that reflects his... "original state", I suppose - or that if it's even supposed, given that we don't really know ancient elvhen naming conventions. What we do know is that Abelas has changed his name after Mythal was killed, and before that he shed his original name when he began serving her (plus, Solas later claims he said to Abelas that he hopes he finds a new name), so...

 

What we aren't told in this game, and what we should probably have gathered by now, is that different spirits can still be corrupted into the same basic "type" of demon.  Command would also probably corrupt into Pride.

 

According to DA wiki Faith can also be corrupted to Pride demons. And given that Solas faith in people has been rather badly broken, I'd say that it might as well be the source of his eventual corruption.

[NightSymphony]

Art

 

Lavellan and Solas

http://miharukun.dev...Solas-599594153

 

Solas and the Dread Wolf..lots of blood

http://silverdrein.d...Blame-599513078

 

Solas

http://magecandor.de...Solas-599217011

 

1000 Years (Warning...VERY sad ) Read the description

http://dragonslover1...Years-599159084

 

Inquisition Animated Cards

http://chicinlicin.d...yhold-515220483

 

 

Beautiful Ghilan'nain

http://dominiquewess...-nain-599519314

 

Dragon Age 2 Animated Cards

http://chicinlicin.d...kwall-599437074

[CapricornSun]

More art!

 

Full image of nipuni's gorgeous artwork of Lavellan face to face with Solas in a battlefield.

She placed a desktop wallpaper size (1920 x 1080) image for people to download here.

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Source: http://nipuni.tumblr...ure-is-the-most

 

 

Lovely Solas watercolor sketches by kallielef.

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Source: http://kallielef.tum...g-solas-sen-and

 

 

Adorable chibi Solas and Lavellan. 

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Source: http://dragonmallows...riend-featuring

 

 

The Dread Wolf. (Solas with hair.)

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Source: http://artificialmus...ad-assface-wolf

 

 

Lavellan and Dorian laughing at Solas at the rotunda.

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Source: http://christina-emi...-trade-and-this

 

 

Doggie Age! (Dorian, Cassandra, and Solas)

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Source: https://awaari.tumbl...1928/doggie-age

 

[Gervaise]

Just popped in to throw in another idea concerning Solas and his name, may be when we discover his first (true) identity we can restore him to himself and prove him wrong about the need to destroy the current world (plus possibly break some sort of geas on him as well).   I'm pretty sure that Solas is a name that was either given to him by others or he took for himself as a result of events (just like Abelas).   It came before Fen'Harel but was not his first identity.   May be Solas has even forgotten himself.

[dawnstone]

Just popped in to throw in another idea concerning Solas and his name, may be when we discover his first (true) identity we can restore him to himself and prove him wrong about the need to destroy the current world (plus possibly break some sort of geas on him as well).   I'm pretty sure that Solas is a name that was either given to him by others or he took for himself as a result of events (just like Abelas).   It came before Fen'Harel but was not his first identity.   May be Solas has even forgotten himself.

Maybe someone made him forget, or asked him to, since apparently the memories of spirits are incredibly malleable (if he was a spirit at one point, as this is still unconfirmed). Apparently, a lot like the Memories in the Shaperate, which managed to lose the entire existence of Titans. *sigh* Somehow, it's all connected.

 

I was re-reading the end of Masked Empire though, and apparently elves may have what Felassan called "a true self" that is what I'm guessing their spirit self:

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He reached into his robe and drew forth a packet of herbs. He sat cross-legged, calmed his breathing until he found his true self inside the shell of his flesh, and sprinkled the herbs over the fire.

 

The fire flared, going green for a few heartbeats, and the smell of the smoke changed to something sharp and old.

 

Felassan shut his eyes and dreamed.

If his body is a shell, is that what he thinks of as the false self? Or maybe it's just a mage thing, who knows? It's interesting how they've slowly been building up the weird stuff to the elves origins that has not been completely demystified yet. Or at least I think so (possibly nonsensically, as I am really tired right now).

[ladyiolanthe]

Maybe someone made him forget, or asked him to, since apparently the memories of spirits are incredibly malleable (if he was a spirit at one point, as this is still unconfirmed). Apparently, a lot like the Memories in the Shaperate, which managed to lose the entire existence of Titans. *sigh* Somehow, it's all connected.

 

I was re-reading the end of Masked Empire though, and apparently elves may have what Felassan called "a true self" that is what I'm guessing their spirit self:

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He reached into his robe and drew forth a packet of herbs. He sat cross-legged, calmed his breathing until he found his true self inside the shell of his flesh, and sprinkled the herbs over the fire.

 

The fire flared, going green for a few heartbeats, and the smell of the smoke changed to something sharp and old.

 

Felassan shut his eyes and dreamed.

If his body is a shell, is that what he thinks of as the false self? Or maybe it's just a mage thing, who knows? It's interesting how they've slowly been building up the weird stuff to the elves origins that has not been completely demystified yet. Or at least I think so (possibly nonsensically, as I am really tired right now).

 

I thought the same thing when I re-read TME recently. If that sentence is meant to suggest his spirit is his true self, I'm not certain that that would automatically make the physical body a false self, though. I'm more inclined to think of it as a vessel for housing the true self, keeping the spirit as safe as possible in the changeable world. 

[Qun00]

Just finished reading the Masked Empire. And as people often say, it will make WH/WE feel different next time.

The Dalish once disappointed Briala with their indifference towards city elves. It's awesome that you can repair that bad first impression by having Lavellan help with her goal. And of course, letting Celene die is even more satisfying than before.

On a different note, I was a little confused when Briala asked Felassan if Fen'harel would have approved of using the eluvians to help the city elves and he answered "He might have, but I doubt it".

But then I remembered: "Oh, right. They're not real people to him. Not yet, anyhow."

[CapricornSun]

Art break.

 

Vallaslin. One pic of Solas removing Lavellan's vallaslin (I think) and another of Solas with Mythal's vallaslin.

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Source: http://drdr214.tumbl...40662/vallaslin

 

 

Happy New Year, Vhenan. Modern AU Solas and Lavellan kissing in the snow. 

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Source: http://uuyly.tumblr....n-s-h-u-t-u-p-3

 

 

DA:I Tangled AU! Starring Dorian as Flynn Rider, Solas as Rapunzel, and Mythal as Mother Gothel by kallielef.

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Source: http://kallielef.tum...ch-fun-im-sorry

 

 

Shirtless Solas checking under his foot.

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Source: http://frillyorlesia...tudy-and-slowly

 

 

 

EDIT: Adding this.

 

Solas says that you are the best. (GIF) 

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Source: http://thecopperkidd...ou-are-the-best

 

Modifié par CapricornSun, 29 mars 2016 - 05:39 .

[Gervaise]

"He might have but I doubt it", is just Felassan's euphemistic way of saying "He's going to kill me when he finds out."   I often wonder how Solas felt when he discovered that Felassan was right about modern people.  He clearly wasn't a forgiving sort before he woke up.  I assume Felassan's "failure" was the reason Solas woke up when he did.