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[Qun00]

Solas did say he had to override the magic personally in order to retrieve the eluvians.

[Illyria]

Just finished reading the Masked Empire. And as people often say, it will make WH/WE feel different next time.

The Dalish once disappointed Briala with their indifference towards city elves. It's awesome that you can repair that bad first impression by having Lavellan help with her goal. And of course, letting Celene die is even more satisfying than before.

On a different note, I was a little confused when Briala asked Felassan if Fen'harel would have approved of using the eluvians to help the city elves and he answered "He might have, but I doubt it".

But then I remembered: "Oh, right. They're not real people to him. Not yet, anyhow."

 

I actually hadn't thought of it like that and I've read that book so many times now.  Good catch.

[Brass_Buckles]

I get the impression (especially due to the Mask of Fen'Harel in DA:Redemption) that Solas was supposed to have been reawakened much much earlier than now. 

 

Clearly the Veil had unintended consequences, and the rest of the remain elves knew that he was responsible (according the the Library atleast) so I'd imagine that many of his followers/ higher ups were hunted and killed for associating with him. That and rebuilding in a world post veil + facing aging death probably was at the forefront of the elve's concern .... eventually being conquered by the Tevinter.

 

If anything, only those that were in Unthenera prior to the Veil still exists/ live via sleeping. 

 

But he does mention elves trapped within the Crossroads/eluvian network.  Felassan was apparently ancient as well, and we don't know where he had been all this time.  We've seen that there are elves still in uthenera from the Descent DLC--or at least, presumably that's what Cole means if you take him down there with you and see those coffins.  (I thought the coffins were weird, seeing as Masked Empire described the "tombs" for uthenera as basically beds...)

 

Something you should bear in mind is that Solas's followers aren't his only people.  He seems to have considered all of the ancient elves his people.

 

And I still theorize--no evidence available of course--that the elves who were in deep uthenera (as in, they could survive without being tended to, by drawing energy from the Fade) when the Veil went up are now stuck that way, unless acted upon by some other force (i.e. Solas or Mythal or a geas).  Those who were awake when it happened quickened.  Those who were in the Crossroads or eluvian networks were trapped there--some of them marooned on floating islands, others falling to their deaths or simply infinitely falling.  Still others were probably safe but nevertheless trapped... and might have slowly lost their sanity due to isolation or other issues.

 

Felassan makes it clear that most of the elves in uthenera were slain.  Most.  Felassan and Solas clearly were not; the elves in The Descent were apparently left alive too.  It implies that their locations either weren't known about, or were too remote to access/blocked off by the cataclysmic events following the creation of the Veil.

 

So basically... if you count All Ancient Elves, Solas's people do still exist, just not in the numbers they once did.  That said,  I'm sure as time passes, fewer and fewer of them remain.  Earthquakes, accidental awakenings, possession, Blighting, etc. have surely occurred.

 

 

Interesting idea; I don't think it's impossible. However, I do find that Solas values wisdom at least as much as he values freedom. He often praises the ability of people to think for themselves, and we get a lot of approval from him for thinking about things or asking questions when we don't know the answer.  There's this, if you bring him with you on Iron Bull's personal quest, too:

 

Gatt: I don't see any tattoos, but you're carrying a staff. Are you from a Chantry Circle?

Solas: No. And I would prefer not to discuss it.

Gatt: Have I done something to offend you?

Solas: You joined the Qun.

Gatt: After they rescued me from slavery.

Solas: And put you into something worse.

Solas: A slave may always struggle for freedom, but you among the Qun have been taught not to think.

Iron Bull: Solas, not the time.

 

Emphasis mine.  Now, I'm not about to say that this refutes your entire idea, but he does seem to value thinking above even freedom in this conversation, at least. Maybe his love of freedom grew from his quest for wisdom?  Hard to say.

 

Edited to add: One of his banters with Iron Bull touches on something similar, too:

 

Solas: Iron Bull. I understand that among your people, you are... what is the term?

Iron Bull: Ben-Hassrath. Secret police. Spies, basically.

Solas: You spied upon your own people.

Iron Bull: Is that so different from Orlais or Ferelden? They have all kinds of people policing them.

Solas: What they say and do, yes. Not what they think.

Iron Bull: What you think is what you say and do.

Solas: No. Even the lowliest peasant may find freedom in the safety of her thoughts. You take even that.

 

 

Freedom of thought doesn't necessarily imply wisdom.  Solas values thought, study, knowledge, even cunning and intrigue... perhaps the pursuit of wisdom.  All of these would definitely suggest that he's affiliated with the idea of wisdom.  But "freedom of thought" is still a form of freedom, much like freedom of speech or freedom of the press, especially in a world where your thoughts really can be controlled and read.  If your thoughts aren't your own, you aren't free.  The Qun denies people the right to think for themselves, and uses that to ensure that they act in a certain way.  I'm sure if you asked Solas about blood magic's use in mind control, he'd have similar things to say about it--even if he is otherwise okay with blood magic.

 

And again... I have basically zero real evidence that Solas was ever freedom.  It just seems to fit him better, in my opinion, than wisdom does--especially when you listen to the few snippets he shares about his younger days when, if he had come into being from a spirit of wisdom, you'd expect him to be closer to his original "self" than before.  (Cole also says he was "fierce, frolicking, free," but like I said that's not really evidence, even if that description doesn't sound much like wisdom.  It's anecdotal only.)  Then again he's named himself Pride, thereby declaring himself corrupted--whatever his original identity or perceived purpose was.

 

For all we know, Solas is all wolfy because he's actually a nature spirit... a male version of the Lady of the Forest, except an elf.  It would make just as much sense as my "he might be freedom" idea, given the lack of solid evidence pointing toward any particular identity.

 

Edited to add:  Just going to throw it out there, though, that depriving someone of the right to think their own thoughts is pretty much the most heinous crime you could commit against freedom.  And if you word it as Solas did, as a form of freedom, it actually... really looks like the atrocity against someone's most basic and incarnate form of freedom is what bothers him.  I'll be fair and agree that freedom of thought is definitely necessary in order to pursue wisdom, but it's also the most basic freedom we have--your thoughts are utterly yours, and even if you can't say or do certain things you are certainly able to think them.  But what if you couldn't?  What if you risked punishment for even thinking the wrong way, even if you never once acted or spoke out of line?  In Thedas, it's actually possible to steal someone's freedom of thought in ways that aren't possible in the real world (not that it's impossible in reality--we do have torture and brainwashing, etc.).

 

"He might have but I doubt it", is just Felassan's euphemistic way of saying "He's going to kill me when he finds out."   I often wonder how Solas felt when he discovered that Felassan was right about modern people.  He clearly wasn't a forgiving sort before he woke up.  I assume Felassan's "failure" was the reason Solas woke up when he did.

 

I believe at that point, Solas was already awake.  "I woke a year before I joined you," he tells you in Trespasser.  We arrive at Halamshiral probably much less than a year after the events in the novel take place--repairs are just begun on the Winter Palace after Gaspard's attack.  I don't think Solas had yet joined the Inquisition during that plot--but I might be wrong.  He could very well have killed Felassan in a dream while working with the Inquisition early on.  My suspicion is that he woke Felassan to aid him, or Felassan woke and then woke Solas.  Because Solas is a dreamer, Felassan wasn't able to hide his treachery from Solas.

[Amriah]

So I'm absolute Solavellan trash and I wrote a flirty chapter of my fanfic with my Lavellan and Solas and I just had to share, if that's okay? Link on Tumblr and AO3.

[Sifr]

In recent interview with Weekes, he's asked if Solas has had any other names he went by other than those we know. Weekes didn't answer that question; merely said that this is a thing left to be explored in the future. 

 

Therefore I wouldn't say that it's certain that "Solas" is actually his original name, or is one that reflects his... "original state", I suppose - or that if it's even supposed, given that we don't really know ancient elvhen naming conventions. What we do know is that Abelas has changed his name after Mythal was killed, and before that he shed his original name when he began serving her (plus, Solas later claims he said to Abelas that he hopes he finds a new name), so...

 

 

Or perhaps we're looking at it the wrong way around, that Solas didn't name himself after the Elvhen word for "Pride / To stand tall", but as a result of his fame (or infamy), the Elvhen word for those concepts actually derive from his name.

 

We know that Weekes is a fan of Doctor Who and has cited it as inspiration for Solas. They did something similar in that show, where due to the complicated nature of time travel, his adoption of the title of "The Doctor" is an ontological paradox. He is the very reason that the concept of a "Doctor" exists in the first place, for him to take as an alias.

 

My thinking that it might be the same with Solas. We can guess that he's very old, so perhaps the language of the Ancient Elves actually ended up entering his former (or original) name into their lexicon, since from what we can gather, he didn't become the Dread Wolf until much later on?

[coldwetn0se]

Or perhaps we're looking at it the wrong way around, that Solas didn't name himself after the Elvhen word for "Pride / To stand tall", but as a result of his fame (or infamy), the Elvhen word for those concepts actually derive from his name.
 
We know that Weekes is a fan of Doctor Who and has cited it as inspiration for Solas. They did something similar in that show, where due to the complicated nature of time travel, his adoption of the title of "The Doctor" is an ontological paradox. He is the very reason that concept of a "Doctor" exists in the first place, for him to take as an alias.
 
My thinking that it might be the same with Solas. We can guess that he's very old, so perhaps the language of the Ancient Elves actually ended up entering his former (or original) name into their lexicon, since from what we can gather, he didn't become the Dread Wolf until much later on?

I like this. I like you. *thumbsup*

[Qun00]

"Abelas " isn't a given name, so why would Solas be different?

In fact, it is strange to me that some people pick regular words from the elven language to name their Dalish characters. This isn't something commonly done among elves by any means.

I find it more likely that the few exceptions we do have are people who chose it later in their lives, like Felassan.

They are elves, not Qunari.

[Sifr]

Speaking of the Qunari...

 

Corypheus, Kieran and Bull all seem to suggest that they've been changed or altered at some point in the past? Bull says the Kossith "probably don't look like them", Kieran mentions their "blood is not their own" and Corpyheus states they are "a mistake". Could Ghilan'nain have been involved in some fashion in how they seemingly acquired draconic blood and traits, given her seeming love of mad science and hybrid creatures?

[Qun00]

Ghilan'nain is the most mysterious elven god, really.

What do we know about her aside from a silly tale involving turning into an animal and the fact that her name is invoked when Dalish elves wish to find their way somewhere?

[Ghost Gal]

"Abelas " isn't a given name, so why would Solas be different?

In fact, it is strange to me that some people pick regular words from the elven language to name their Dalish characters. This isn't something common among elves by any means.

I find it more likely that the few exceptions we do have are people who chose it later in their lives, like Felassan.

They are elves, not Qunari.

 

Eh... to be fair, most names in any culture are based on common words from their language and time.

 

It's easy for us to forget because many so-called "Western" names are from former languages we no longer use, like biblical names (Hebrew), names based on ancient Greek and Latin words, Old English, Celtic, etc. But most of those old names were given words in their own language at their own time, and were names back when people still spoke that language. For example, the names "Bianca/Blanche/Blanca" are rooted in the Latin word for "White" (Blancus), and it was a given name in ancient times even before the language fell out of use.

 

Even today, many so-called "Western" names are words from our everyday vocabulary like Brooke, Iris, Ash, Red, Robin, etc. (It's especially common to name girls after precious stones and flowers; Ruby, Daisy, Fern, etc.) Most people don't really think about a lump of coal when they meet a person named "Cole" or think, "Wow, it's really dehumanizing to name a kid after a lump of compressed carbon," so why should the elves think that when they choose an elven word to name their kid?

 

If all names are derived from everyday words, it makes sense for a people who are holding onto their dying language and culture to give their kids names based on their own elven words and mythical figures, rather than accept names based on human words.

 

(I personally thought the character name "Fenarel" was a nice touch. Just like in real life, it's a corruption of a word from a character from their mythology. They don't directly name him "Fen'Harel," but they give him a name that sounds similar to tie him to elven culture, without being an uninspired copy.)

[CapricornSun]

Art post.

 

Solas in the Avvar armor, with the rain having washed all the mud off of him by nipuni. 

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Source: http://nipuni.tumblr...d-off-the-avvar

 

 

Male Lavellan being all flustered and adorable around Solas. 

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Source: http://destinyaposta...eysales-mahanon

 

 

Beautiful artwork (2 versions) of Solas and Lavellan dancing at Halamshiral. (The colors. )

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Source: http://slayersangel....you-were-in-the

 

 

 

Solas in the Grey Warden armor and a smug look on his face. (Also, I really love that pose btw.) 

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Source: http://destinyaposta...mor-amirite-ref

 

 

A funny comic in which Lavellan keeps chickens as pets, with Solas being a little jealous of them.

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Source: http://eggsquisite-d...-solas-specific

 

[Qun00]

Pray tell, what part of the elven vocabulary contains Tamlen, Feynriel, Merril, Mihris and such?

It isn't a simple matter of coming off as weird. It simply isn't Dalish tradition to name their children that way, aside from rare exceptions.

But since you brought it up, I am aware that it is rather common for Americans to do this, with Kim Kardashian's kid being the funniest example. That doesn't mean the same is true for other countries.

There is also a clear difference between having your name derive from "forest" and being a guy called Forest.

[Uirebhiril]

A funny comic in which Lavellan keeps chickens as pets, with Solas being a little jealous of them.

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Source: http://eggsquisite-d...-solas-specific

 

 

 

All right, that's it, I'm done.

[Sifr]

A funny comic in which Lavellan keeps chickens as pets, with Solas being a little jealous of them.

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Source: http://eggsquisite-d...-solas-specific

 

 

I guess that the Chicken does come before the Egg...

 

 

[midnight tea]

Pray tell, what part of the elven vocabulary contains Tamlen, Feynriel, Merril, Mihris and such?

 

Elvhen isn't even a full language and we haven't got that many examples of it in the game, so how do you know they aren't part of elvhen vocabulary?

 

We know "Telana", for example, is a shorter form of "Telanadas" ('nothing is inevitable'), so it's a question of how many names are sort of cobbled together words that began living their own life as names alongside names like Solas or Abelas. I mean, it's not like it has to be one or the other.

 

In my own language we have both names that sort of don't sound like any words since they're based on those that fell out of use (like Kazimierz) and then we have names like Jagoda (literally: berry), Bogusława ("glory to god") or Bożydar ("god's gift")

[Janic99]

a new small video of the song Faded lol

 

 

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

 others falling to their deaths or simply infinitely falling.  

Well... that's a new source of nightmare fuel for me, then. 

 

 Then again he's named himself Pride, thereby declaring himself corrupted--whatever his original identity or perceived purpose was.

He tells us that "I was Solas first." As in before he was ever called "Fen'Harel". I don't think he necessarily considers himself corrupted now, but he almost definitely didn't before the whole Slave Rebellion thing. Perhaps he was simply a pride spirit? Theoretically, Pride can be a good emotion, pride in yourself, your community, your accomplishments, etc. Maybe there was a way for a spirit of Pride to exist back before the veil. 

 

Or maybe the word "Solas" came to mean "Pride" over the years b/c it was his name, not the other way around.

 

I believe at that point, Solas was already awake.  "I woke a year before I joined you," he tells you in Trespasser.  We arrive at Halamshiral probably much less than a year after the events in the novel take place--repairs are just begun on the Winter Palace after Gaspard's attack.  I don't think Solas had yet joined the Inquisition during that plot--but I might be wrong.  He could very well have killed Felassan in a dream while working with the Inquisition early on.  My suspicion is that he woke Felassan to aid him, or Felassan woke and then woke Solas.  Because Solas is a dreamer, Felassan wasn't able to hide his treachery from Solas.

 

Breach would have been mentioned in TME if it was a thing at the time. So Solas wasn't in the Inquisition. And I don't think Gaspard had actually attacked the Winter Palace and damaged it in TME (though I might be wrong), so that had to happen in the interim. TME is concurrent with Asunder, which is the start of the Mage/Templar war. I think the conclave happened over a year after that? 

 

 

I guess that the Chicken does come before the Egg...

 

 

Ok, yeah, that one was worthy of Horatio Caine. Bravo, Sifr, bravo.

[ladyiolanthe]

*snip*

 

He tells us that "I was Solas first." As in before he was ever called "Fen'Harel". I don't think he necessarily considers himself corrupted now, but he almost definitely didn't before the whole Slave Rebellion thing. Perhaps he was simply a pride spirit? Theoretically, Pride can be a good emotion, pride in yourself, your community, your accomplishments, etc. Maybe there was a way for a spirit of Pride to exist back before the veil. 

 

*snip*

 

Yes, this. I've been thinking about this a lot lately, too. Everything in moderation, right? A little bit of pride is a good thing, but when it becomes overweening, it's bad. A moderate amount of faith or hope is also a good thing, but too much can lead to stupidity or ignorance. I think the spirit / demon dichotomy in Dragon Age might actually be a huge oversimplification perpetuated mainly by the Chantry but also by the Dalish, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if that comes out in the lore as we (hopefully) learn more about the ancient Elvhen. Solas does say that "Nothing about the Fade or spirits is simple," after all.

[CapricornSun]

Art post.

 

"Ar lath ma, vhenan." Solas and Lavellan kissing. (NSFW-ish for nudity.)

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Source: http://theodoraxkx.t...oor-excuse-of-a

 

 

Solas the Mind and Blackwall the Resolve.

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Source: http://chengeling.tu...-da-fanarts-and

 

 

Solas and the Dread Wolf WIP.

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Source: http://rosedraws.tum...s-print-tonight

 

 

Sera trolling Solas by putting cling wrap over the Eluvian.

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Source: http://everkings.tum...ng-how-funny-it

 

[Elessara]

Ghilan'nain is the most mysterious elven god, really.

What do we know about her aside from a silly tale involving turning into an animal and the fact that her name is invoked when Dalish elves wish to find their way somewhere?

 

To be honest, I would say June is the most mysterious.  We know next to nothing about him, even less than a silly tale about turning into an animal.  For Ghilan'nain we at least have that codex from the Temple of Mythal.  I don't think we received a codex about June at all.  Not that I'm trying to turn this into a contest or anything.  I hope we get more information about all of the elven gods in future games.

[midnight tea]

To be honest, I would say June is the most mysterious.  We know next to nothing about him, even less than a silly tale about turning into an animal.  For Ghilan'nain we at least have that codex from the Temple of Mythal.  I don't think we received a codex about June at all.  Not that I'm trying to turn this into a contest or anything.  I hope we get more information about all of the elven gods in future games.

 

I think it's sort of a given. I don't see them backing away from delving full-on into exploring elvhen pantheon and what exactly happened during times of Elvenhan that led to Solas rebelling and creating the Veil now that the wolf is out of sheep's skin.

 

We can reasonably suspect that we're going to Tevinter in next game and we know from recent interview with Weekes that Tevinter is pretty much literally built on top of Elvenhan; with people swooping in and inhabiting past elvhhen settlements and cities and basically appropriating everything.

[Qun00]

Tell me, is Solas still called an elven servant in the Winter Palace when you're playing as Lavellan?

Hard to believe that the Orlesians would look at an elf and think "she must have an elven servant". In their minds, both Lavellan and Solas should be sweeping floors.

To be honest, I would say June is the most mysterious. We know next to nothing about him, even less than a silly tale about turning into an animal. For Ghilan'nain we at least have that codex from the Temple of Mythal. I don't think we received a codex about June at all. Not that I'm trying to turn this into a contest or anything. I hope we get more information about all of the elven gods in future games.

June is responsible for almost everything pertaining to the Dalish way of life. What they wear, what they use to hunt and general objects used on a daily basis.

Well, or so they think anyway. Naturally, none of the Evanuris ever had any contact with the early elves of the Dales.

[Addictress]

Tell me, is Solas still called an elven servant in the Winter Palace when you're playing as Lavellan?

 

Yeah *sigh*

[Qun00]

An elven servant that serves another elf. Don't let anyone say Orlesians aren't open-minded.

[Elessara]

Tell me, is Solas still called an elven servant in the Winter Palace when you're playing as Lavellan?

Hard to believe that the Orlesians would look at an elf and think "she must have an elven servant". In their minds, both Lavellan and Solas should be sweeping floors.


June is responsible for almost everything pertaining to the Dalish way of life. What they wear, what they use to hunt and general objects used on a daily basis.

Well, or so they think anyway. Naturally, none of the Evanuris ever had any contact with the early elves of the Dales.

 

But that's just it.  For Ghilan'nain we have the Dalish stories, we have the codex from the Temple of Mythal, we have those codex entries with the Ghilan'nain symbol from Trespasser (which some believe were written by her).  For each of the gods we get some kind of additional tidbits here and there but for June we have ... the Dalish stories.  And even the Dalish stories pretty much boil down to ... he makes tools yay.

 

And yes he's still called an elven servant which makes me go wtf.  But then playing a mage Lavellan and asking him to dance he says it wouldn't be a good idea to be seen dancing with an elven apostate to which I always want to just go *facepalm*.