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[AlleluiaElizabeth]

Art

 

Fenris and Solas in Regency Era clothing because **** it, why not?

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http://lyonface.devi...enris-616444866

Their fashion is on point, but the sight of those two conspiring worries me. lol

[CapricornSun]

Art post.

 

Tumblr version of Solas holding a dying Lavellan. (For those who want to reblog it on Tumblr.)

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Source: http://azeneth-mor.t...r-drops-in-your

 

 

Pretty art of Solas cuddling Lavellan in bed. (NSFW because they're nude.)

 

Solas and Lavellan kissing.

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Source: http://queensoledad....-lot-these-past

 

 

Modern AU Lavellan and (Professor) Solas based on this cute Solavellan one-shot fic, How They Met. 

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Source: http://solavellangar...-redinkofshames

 

 

Tumblr version of regency era Fenris and Solas. (For those who want to reblog it on Tumblr.)

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Source: http://thelyonface.t...ms-i-love-these

 

 

An unfinished Solas artwork.

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Source: http://louminx.tumbl...st/146203306651

 

 

WIP art of bartender!Solas.

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Source: http://sketchglee.tu...ne-just-had-her

 

 

Solas tarot card.

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Source: http://fallen-king-o...tart-off-todays

 

 

Solas riding a hart.

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Source: http://wordsarethebo...etches-anyway-i

 

 

'At Least It's Not Plaideweave.'

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Source: http://championsandh...appened-way-too

 

[Feliishiiaa]

Hello Solas Thread !

I came back (well sort of, I'm still reading just not posting much) to introduce you to Solas of Elvehnan, the pretty sphynx kitten that will join my cat babies in August.

 

 

 

[NightSymphony]

Awwww......little hairless kitty!!  Thank you for sharing him. His eyes are so gorgeous! 

[Feliishiiaa]

I thought : 'Bald, blue eyed, will have a constant air of plotting something when is grown up, let's call him Solas.'

[Qun00]

It is all speculation at this point, but do you guys think DA4 is the game that will decide the future of the elves?

As in, the truth about the Evanuris and everything else will spread somehow. And then the Dalish clans will have to decide whether to maintain tradition or change it.

And maybe the city elves under Fen'harel will get the self-steem boost they needed for a mass rebellion.

These things might not happen in game, but possibly in the epilogue slides.

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

Not sure the city elves should go the "mass rebellion" route, personally. It hasn't ended well yet. I prefer the idea of them moving beyond race and identifying by nationality, instead. Its not as if Denerim's city elves are the same as Val Royeaux's or Kirkwall's. And go the Martin Luther King jr route and push for rightful equality under the law through demonstrations and nonviolent means.

[Qun00]

If not physical force, then political force certainly should be employed.

In all of mankind's history, this sort of change never happened because the rulers realized the error of their ways, but because they had no other choice due to circumstances.

[midnight tea]

It is all speculation at this point, but do you guys think DA4 is the game that will decide the future of the elves?

As in, the truth about the Evanuris and everything else will spread somehow. And then the Dalish clans will have to decide whether to maintain tradition or change it.

And maybe the city elves under Fen'harel will get the self-steem boost they needed for a mass rebellion.

These things might not happen in game, but possibly in the epilogue slides.

 

Er... considering that we'd possibly be deciding the future of entire world and all races living in it?

 

Like - I don't see how revelations from the past aren't supposed to change everything, even if just on ideological level. Even the fact that the Veil has been created by Fen'Harel shakes entire foundations of main human religion, and it's not just some minor thing that can be swept under the rug. I can see religious wars exploding all over continent over that.

 

And how the elves are going to be painted into that picture... I don't know. It depends on further reveals.

[Qun00]

How curious. You started with that "Er..." as though I had said something wrong or stupid, but then proceeded to agree with me about the potential for change prompted by these revelations.

What a rollercoast of emotions.

[CapricornSun]

Art post.

 

Lovely Solavellan doodle.

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Source: http://ryliesavage.t...ive-been-absent

 

 

Modern AU Solas with glasses from the fic, The Dinerverse College AU. 

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Source: http://destinyaposta...t-his-douchebag

 

 

Solas.

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Source: http://culrutherford...good-at-shading

 

[Ghost Gal]

It is all speculation at this point, but do you guys think DA4 is the game that will decide the future of the elves?

As in, the truth about the Evanuris and everything else will spread somehow. And then the Dalish clans will have to decide whether to maintain tradition or change it.

And maybe the city elves under Fen'harel will get the self-steem boost they needed for a mass rebellion.

These things might not happen in game, but possibly in the epilogue slides.

 

I had a discussion with a friend about this in a PM recently.

 

Honestly? I don't think the devs have any intention of changing things significantly for the elves. There's going to be a huge struggle where the elves rise up, but the elves are going to be on the opposite side of and cannon fodder for the PC in the game (like the elven Qunari converts in Act 2 DA2, soon to be agents of Fen'Harel from Trespasser, etc), then then we'll either slap them down or marginally improve their conditions for a short time before "realistically" humans will take back all the rights the elves won (The Dales, the Elven Bann for the DAO City Elf ending slide, the Hinterlands for the DAO Dalish ending slide), and they'll just go back to being slaves in all but name in every worldstate by DA5.

 

The devs seem to keep hammering home how the elves have been enslaved and oppressed through their entire history. First they were enslaved by the Evanuris, then Tevinter, then a short shot at independence in the Dales followed by oppression and subjugation by Andrastian humans. Every attempted rebellion has either failed or not lasted in the long run, and each time the narration hammers home how it's their own fault they're oppressed ("The People bend their knees too quickly," and all that garbage), so I don't think the devs have any intention of changing things now.

 

They wouldn't have the elves' entire history be one endless stream of oppression and then say it's their fault for being oppressed every single time (either because they were too meek to fight back in the case of Tevinter, or they were too violent and fought back when they shouldn't have in the case of The Dales against Orlais) if they had any intention of having things finally improve for them.

 

Not sure the city elves should go the "mass rebellion" route, personally. It hasn't ended well yet. I prefer the idea of them moving beyond race and identifying by nationality, instead. Its not as if Denerim's city elves are the same as Val Royeaux's or Kirkwall's. And go the Martin Luther King jr route and push for rightful equality under the law through demonstrations and nonviolent means.

 

... *sigh* This post physically hurts me.

 

If not physical force, then political force certainly should be employed.

 

Yeah. Too bad pretty much 100% of those with "political force" (nobles, knights, guards, Chantry priests, Templars, etc) are all humans who don't care about the plight of the elves; who dismiss them when they ask nicely for change, then crack down on them when they try to force change violently. 

 

And, of course, putting elves in political power is as easy as pulling teeth since humans literally form lynch mobs and race riots when an elf so much as buys a house in a nice neighborhood or is given a petty nobleman's title, and revolt when Leliana as Divine tries to return Shartan to the Chant of Light and allow elves (well, men and women of all genders and races) to join the Chantry; because giving an elf some power is the same as taking away power from a much more deserving human, and of course the elves should NEVER try to gain anything at the expense of any potential human.   

 

In all of mankind's history, this sort of change never happened because the rulers realized the error of their ways, but because they had no other choice due to circumstances.

 

Yup. It was actually Martin Luther King Jr. who wrote, in a letter from Birmingham Jail in 1963, "We know through painful experience that freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor; it must be demanded by the oppressed." (Although I know he argued through non-violent means.)

 

Furthermore, he wrote, "Frankly I have never yet engaged in a direct action movement that was 'well timed,' according to the timetable of those who have not suffered unduly from the disease of segregation. For years now I have heard the word 'Wait!' It rings in the ear of every [segregated minority] with a piercing familiarity. This 'wait' has almost always meant 'never.' We must come to see with the distinguished jurist of yesterday that 'justice too long delayed is justice denied.' " 

 

But sure, yeah, let's talk about how the elves bring their continued oppression completely on themselves. How when they act too violently, bitterly, or insistently they turn humans off helping them, but then ignore how the city elves as a collective people have been cooperating with the Chantry's terms for over seven hundred years (basically, "You convert to Andrasteism and serve as scut labor living in walled off ghettos in our cities, and we'll ' show mercy' ") and are still second class citizens. After seven hundred years, humans as a whole still treat them like lesser beings, resist putting Shartan back into the Chant of Light, throw a fit at the thought of allowing elves to enter the Chantry or nobility--but don't worry. If the elves wait around long enough, I'm sure any century now humans will finally get around to improving conditions for them of their own accord.

[ladyiolanthe]

Twitter silliness... Apparently, most of my tweets are about Dragon Age.

 

Creching behaviour
by ladyiolanthe

 

Is that an error or intentional?
To be Allura/the blue lion.
Bedtime story than the original.
Just because of the alliteration.

 

On world destruction, after all.
Spent in the Character Creator.
There was a plumber on call.
I'll give it to my Inquisitor.

 

Waiting for my delayed flight...
Hurt a fly, and Solas lies.
I know what I'm doing tonight!
Can help her lure new Jennies.
[my] life." Ok, sounds about right.

[Qun00]

I had a discussion with a friend about this in a PM recently.

Honestly? I don't think the devs have any intention of changing things significantly for the elves. There's going to be a huge struggle where the elves rise up, but the elves are going to be on the opposite side of and cannon fodder for the PC in the game (like the elven Qunari converts in Act 2 DA2, soon to be agents of Fen'Harel from Trespasser, etc), then then we'll either slap them down or marginally improve their conditions for a short time before "realistically" humans will take back all the rights the elves won (The Dales, the Elven Bann for the DAO City Elf ending slide, the Hinterlands for the DAO Dalish ending slide), and they'll just go back to being slaves in all but name in every worldstate by DA5.

The devs seem to keep hammering home how the elves have been enslaved and oppressed through their entire history. First they were enslaved by the Evanuris, then Tevinter, then a short shot at independence in the Dales followed by oppression and subjugation by Andrastian humans. Every attempted rebellion has either failed or not lasted in the long run, and each time the narration hammers home how it's their own fault they're oppressed ("The People bend their knees too quickly," and all that garbage), so I don't think the devs have any intention of changing things now.

They wouldn't have the elves' entire history be one endless stream of oppression and then say it's their fault for being oppressed every single time (either because they were too meek to fight back in the case of Tevinter, or they were too violent and fought back when they shouldn't have in the case of The Dales against Orlais) if they had any intention of having things finally improve for them.


... *sigh* This post physically hurts me.


Yeah. Too bad pretty much 100% of those with "political force" (nobles, knights, guards, Chantry priests, Templars, etc) are all humans who don't care about the plight of the elves; who dismiss them when they ask nicely for change, then crack down on them when they try to force change violently.

And, of course, putting elves in political power is as easy as pulling teeth since humans literally form lynch mobs and race riots when an elf so much as buys a house in a nice neighborhood or is given a petty nobleman's title, and revolt when Leliana as Divine tries to return Shartan to the Chant of Light and allow elves (well, men and women of all genders and races) to join the Chantry; because giving an elf some power is the same as taking away power from a much more deserving human, and of course the elves should NEVER try to gain anything at the expense of any potential human.


Yup. It was actually Martin Luther King Jr. who wrote, in a letter from Birmingham Jail in 1963, "We know through painful experience that freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor; it must be demanded by the oppressed." (Although I know he argued through non-violent means.)

Furthermore, he wrote, "Frankly I have never yet engaged in a direct action movement that was 'well timed,' according to the timetable of those who have not suffered unduly from the disease of segregation. For years now I have heard the word 'Wait!' It rings in the ear of every [segregated minority] with a piercing familiarity. This 'wait' has almost always meant 'never.' We must come to see with the distinguished jurist of yesterday that 'justice too long delayed is justice denied.' "

But sure, yeah, let's talk about how the elves bring their continued oppression completely on themselves. How when they act too violently, bitterly, or insistently they turn humans off helping them, but then ignore how the city elves as a collective people have been cooperating with the Chantry's terms for over seven hundred years (basically, "You convert to Andrasteism and serve as scut labor living in walled off ghettos in our cities, and we'll ' show mercy' ") and are still second class citizens. After seven hundred years, humans as a whole still treat them like lesser beings, resist putting Shartan back into the Chant of Light, throw a fit at the thought of allowing elves to enter the Chantry or nobility--but don't worry. If the elves wait around long enough, I'm sure any century now humans will finally get around to improving conditions for them of their own accord.

Personally, I don't think that the oppressed status gives you a golden medal that attests to your perfection and moral purity. It isn't inherently wrong to consider that they can be partially responsible for their situation.

This isn't a black and white subject. Some of their misery is a result of their own actions and some of it just couldn't be avoided. Ancient elves destroyed themselves through infighting (and Solas, ahem) and the Dalish made things worse at Red Crossing.

However, the city elves might be the closest to blameless in that they are born into a scenario where the most they can do is rioting with no success. And while their ancestors that surrendered may have not made the best choice, it was a peaceful way out.

What puzzles me is the notion that the oppressed must remain above criticism in order to consider their cause worthy of support. Not at all.

Regardless of how circumstances became this way, it still is undeniable that they must change. And the fact that the elves have contributed to their fate doesn't mean the humans are absolved.

As for the political power needed to back them up, there are other ways. I believe that Briala is a good start and if you've read the Masked Empire, you know her intentions are true.

[NightSymphony]

More ME:A info..

http://www.gamesrada...ign=buffer_grfb

[lynroy]

I'm redoing my first Solas romancing Inquisitor again on PC. She appears to have second thoughts about going through it again.

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[midnight tea]

More ME:A info..

http://www.gamesrada...ign=buffer_grfb

 

The more I read about it the more I think this will be "DAI in space", at least when it comes to certain mechanics, choices or character interaction...

[Almostfaceman]

The more I read about it the more I think this will be "DAI in space", at least when it comes to certain mechanics, choices or character interaction...

 

[Almostfaceman]

I'm redoing my first Solas romancing Inquisitor again on PC. She appears to have second thoughts about going through it again.

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Solas looks a little needy. 

 

[CapricornSun]

Art post.

 

'The Wayward Pawn'. (Solavellan) Wow! (Warning for blood.)

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Source: http://zhanna0717.tu...the-burden-of-a

 

 

A lovely WIP of Solas and Lavellan. (NSFW-ish because they're nude but nothing shown, for now.)

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Source: http://nikranel.tumb...st/146292499880

 

 

Solas artwork done after the artist saw a "DarthSolas" screenshot. Ooooh!

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Source: http://zhanna0717.tu...e-after-i-saw-a

 

 

A smiling Solas.

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Source: http://fairymymyu.tu...en-2-years-damn

 

 

Someone's personal canon version of Solas (with hair).

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Source: http://blightdream.t...messily-doodled

 

 

Dorian antagonizes Solas.

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Source: https://awaari.tumbl...izes-the-egg-no

 

[Ellawynn]

The more I read about it the more I think this will be "DAI in space", at least when it comes to certain mechanics, choices or character interaction...

 

Ugh, I hope not. I found Inquisition enjoyable enough, but it was still VASTLY flawed. An open-world approach might suit Mass Effect better (Especially since they kind of already did it, although as I recall most of the non-vital planets were generic copy-paste jobs.) but I do not want them to cripple the main story just to give us a backlog of boring side quests and swathes of pretty-but-empty terrain all over again.

[midnight tea]

Ugh, I hope not. I found Inquisition enjoyable enough, but it was still VASTLY flawed. An open-world approach might suit Mass Effect better (Especially since they kind of already did it, although as I recall most of the non-vital planets were generic copy-paste jobs.) but I do not want them to cripple the main story just to give us a backlog of boring side quests and swathes of pretty-but-empty terrain all over again.

 

Lol, why the assumption that everything is going to be the exact same? And nobody said that they're not going to improve on what was introduced in Inquisition (and later improve further for new IP and DA4). DAI in many respects was a pioneering title for them - not only they haven't yet done an open'ish world like that, they've had to convert to Forstbite and actually had to create a lot of new tech and modules for it that are now further improved for future games. Plus, they aren't hampered by old-gen anymore, 

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

... *sigh* This post physically hurts me.

 

Am I wrong in thinking Martin Luther King Jr. did not support violent uprising, instead leading a largely nonviolent movement that focused on civil disobedience and bringing public attention and pressure on lawmakers for legal and social change?

 

Or was it my suggestion that the city elves in the various nations go the nonviolent route that annoyed you? As far as I can tell, that's the only thing they haven't tried, yet. Can it really hurt at this point? Doing the exact same thing as MLK and others might not work, cus in most countries there's no legislative body to pressure/appeal to (ironically, Tevinter is the only one I can think of in the lore. Fereldan sort of counts with the Bannorn maybe.), but some nonviolent methods and attempts to appeal to the rulers or demonstrations/strikes that show how integral the CEs are to city economies in terms of labor force or something might work. Maybe get the merchant class on their side. Worth a shot.

[Arshes Nei]

I'm redoing my first Solas romancing Inquisitor again on PC. She appears to have second thoughts about going through it again.

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lol Your Inquisitor has an expression of 'I'm going to get you for this....'

[Qun00]

I'm redoing my first Solas romancing Inquisitor again on PC. She appears to have second thoughts about going through it again.

Spoiler

"You know nothing, Dread Wolf".