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[Sjofn]

And the qunari let able fighting women be part of the Ben-Hassrath. They just have the vast majority of men as the role as soldiers.

 

Which makes Sten's "wtf ur a woman" even dumber!

[General TSAR]

It's not that they aren't disposable enough to be frontline warriors. They just see that they are not efficient as frontline warriors. Big difference. They see males more physically able then woman on the frontlines.

Wrong, the correct answer is they need to preserve their birthing vessels to bear the brunt of high causalities.

 

Thanks for playing. 

 

 

Which makes Sten's "wtf ur a woman" even dumber!

Nope.

[Sporothrix]

Which makes Sten's "wtf ur a woman" even dumber!

 

I think it was one of many things that have been retconned a bit.

[leaguer of one]

Which makes Sten's "wtf ur a woman" even dumber!

Ben-Hassrath's job is not fight. He was referaning to jobs and roles.

[leaguer of one]

 

Wrong, the correct answer is they need to preserve their birthing vessels to bear the brunt of high causalities.

 

Thanks for playing. 

 

 

 

Then women would never be able to become Ben-Hassrath. It's nothing to do with men being more disposable. It's about efficiency.

[Sporothrix]

 

Nope.

 

 

Of course it was, female character in no way fulfilled the role of "soldier" - he was referring solely to her ability to fight. And now we're learning that actually many females in Qunari society know how to fight.

[General TSAR]

Then women would never be able to become Ben-Hassrath. It's nothing to do with men being more disposable. It's about efficiency.

Religious Enforcers/Agents =/= Soldiers.

 

Not to mention the casualties rate wouldn't be remotely the same.

 

Sorry little mouse, you ran the maze with speed and intelligence but you fell into a cage. No cheese for you.

(Not an insult)

 

Of course it was, female character in no way fulfilled the role of "soldier" - he was referring solely to her ability to fight. And now we're learning that actually many females in Qunari society know how to fight.

Nope.

[Clockwork_Wings]

My point was that it's still an analogy. Reality of being the a Qunari in the Qunari nation is not identical to being a single animal.

I concur.  I just meant that the way real-life cultures find qualities of animals to be admirable, so do the qunari,  I'm sure.

[General TSAR]

Ok maybe you'll get a little cheese for your effort.

 

Qunari society is sexuality segregated because of efficiency AND need to boost reserves for another eventual high casualty battle. 

[Clockwork_Wings]

In Redcliffe Sten is actually aghast at the prospect of women not fighting when their backs are to the wall.

There's fighting professionally and then there's defending oneself.

[leaguer of one]

Religious Enforcers/Agents =/= Soldiers.

 

Not to mention the casualties rate wouldn't be remotely the same.

 

Sorry little mouse, you ran the maze with speed and intelligence but you fell into a cage. No cheese for you.

(Not an insult)

 

 

 

But they do risk their live doing their job and can die if the qun demand and allow them to...Like every qunari spy on that list Talis was after in her dlc quest.. The ariqun were going to allow all those spy's to be hunted down and killed off reguardless of role or gender. Which is my point

[leaguer of one]

Ok maybe you'll get a little cheese for your effort.

 

Qunari society is sexuality segregated because of efficiency AND need to boost reserves for another eventual high casualty battle. 

*Point at Ben-Hassrath.

Added the qun is not about military dominance.

[Sporothrix]

Ok maybe you'll get a little cheese for your effort.

 

Qunari society is sexuality segregated because of efficiency AND need to boost reserves for another eventual high casualty battle. 

 

That explanation really doesn't make much sense, since first of all, there is really no segregation needed for what you want to afford, and second of all, who would provide those next generations of warriors if only few males were left? That would lead in straight line to inbreeding.

 

And as for efficiency, such segregation actually worsens it.

[leaguer of one]

I'm curious if any fighting was part of her role in the Qun. When he meet her, she's on her own. And she's barely Qunari in the first place. More like a noob.

More like a renege.

[General TSAR]

 

*Point at Ben-Hassrath.

Added the qun is not about military dominance.

It's about religious conquest through military dominance. 

 

Nice try.

 

That explanation really doesn't make much sense, since first of all, there is really no segregation needed for what you want to afford, 

Well minus biological differences including general differences of strength, speed, and stamina.

 

(Awaiting obligatory pictures of the few exceptions)

and second of all, who would provide those next generations of warriors if only few males were left? That would lead in straight line to inbreeding.

 

And as for efficiency, such segregation actually worsens it.

 

There are males outside the military who can replenish the dwindling population if casualties can not be sustained.

[leaguer of one]

It's about religious conquest through military dominance. 

 

Nice try.

In which the taken over are then  reeducated by the Ben-Hassrath and Tamassran who turn people farmers and craftsmen.

That means it not a military dominate society

[General TSAR]

In which the taken over are then  reeducated by the Ben-Hassrath and Tamassran who turn people farmers and craftsmen.

That means it not a military dominate society

Who said anything about a military dominate society? I said religious conquest through military dominance. 

[Sporothrix]

 

Well minus biological differences including general differences of strength, speed, and stamina.

 

(Awaiting obligatory pictures of the few exceptions)

 

 

On average, women actually have better muscular endurance than men. It makes them better for example in long distance running. If I recall correctly it's connected to the size of muscles. The bigger they are, the more oxygen they burn.

 

And considering how male Qunari look, how their muscles are overgrown, it seems that their stamina is pretty weak. And I doubt if they are good runners (BTW, I recall that in relation to height, study on best runners showed that women are proportionally faster too - so, is there height difference on average between Qunari males and females?). And Qunari males probably eat really big amount of food. It all creates many problems during a war, especially in long terms, giving advantage for females. 

[General TSAR]

 

On average, women actually have better muscular endurance than men. It makes them better for example in long distance running. If I recall correctly it's connected to the size of muscles. The bigger they are, the more oxygen they burn.

Cool, now have them do the same while wearing 50 pounds of armor with sword plus shield and have them charge the awaiting enemy 200 meters away like the Athenians did at the battle of Marathon.

 

 

BTW, considering how male Qunari look, how their muscles are overgrown, it seems that their stamina is pretty weak. And I doubt if they are good runners (BTW, I recall that in relation to height, study on best runners showed that women are proportionally faster too - so, is there height difference on average between Qunari males and females?). And Qunari males probably eat really big amount of food. It all creates many problems during a war, especially in long terms, giving advantage for females. 

 

 

Yep that's why there are female Qunari Warriors serving on the frontlines....wait.

[Doominike]

About this "natural difference" debate, the only physical advantages men have is more muscle mass and taller most of the time which gives them a longer reach. Qunari women have both of these over men of all other races. Also:

 

-> Skill and coordination are more important than raw strenght and they're both genderblind

 

-> Given the same level of fitness stamina is also genderblind

 

-> Weapon swings are not exactly like punches or kicks but still similar enough for this to matter: most of the momentum actually comes from the abdomen and hips, and guess what ? Abs and hip strength develop faster in women, plus wider hips actually improve the rotating momentum

 

And for non-qunari women, being generally shorter, while it diminishes reach, lowers the center of gravity, which if you know how to position your feet properly makes you harder to topple. 

 

You can possibly, depending on context, add the psychological advantage that many men will, subconsciously or not, underestimate their opponent if she's a woman because they have the ingrained notion that women can't be dangerous