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[Inquisitor Mary Sue]

As far as Biased goes, I do belive that the gaming community does have some towards the witcher series and CDprojeckt as they seem to have a golden child status simply becuase they haven't created any real DLC that they charged people for and are pretty good about patching their game.

 

Are Dragon Age fans not guilty of bias? One only need look at Deflagratio's most recent posts to see that isn't true, if anything Dragon Age fans are far quicker to bash other series for things that they would give the Dragon Age series a free pass on.

[Dutchess]

But aren't  those two Witcher screenshots from two different throne rooms - first one from Temeria, second one - from Nilfgaard? (I might be wrong, because I'm not closely following TW development but from the trailer it looked like Geralt was speaking with Emgyr Var Emreys, Emperor of Nlfgaard)

 

He was speaking with the Emperor, yes, but considering Nilfgaard has been preparing for war in TW2 and is seen conquering the North in the epilogue, it is not surprising that Temeria's throne now belongs to Emgyr as well. 

[Schreckstoff]

Are Dragon Age fans not guilty of bias? One only need look at Deflagratio's most recent posts to see that isn't true, if anything Dragon Age fans are far quicker to bash other series for things that they would give the Dragon Age series a free pass on.

Everyone's biased it's the very nature of humans not to be objective, that said CDPR earned a lot of goodwill and they haven't yet done anything to lose it.

Bioware on the other hand lost much of its goodwill in recent years (not mine I still love you guys) and has much negative bias to overcome.

[godModeAlpha]

Well, I'm not too familiar with Bioware's development, but did they change their engine for DA:I, not that is an excuse, but it's a viable reason to their view on developing their art style for the game.  
 
And the issue of visiting an old area, it has changed over the years, no?

Yes, DAO and DA2 used the Lycuim engine (Wikipedia), while DAI uses EAs frostbite 3 engine. Same one used in battlefield 4.

I think the game would look great, and don't think they will nerf current gen or PC for the sake of last gen. Someone said the games is spread across 3-5 DVDs for Xbox 360 which means it's likely they would ship it with high res textures.

[SolVita]

He was speaking with the Emperor, yes, but considering Nilfgaard has been preparing for war in TW2 and is seen conquering the North in the epilogue, it is not surprising that Temeria's throne now belongs to Emgyr as well. 

Eh, i find it hard to believe that Nilfs will be able to conquer North so easily, after all they tried and failed two times already. Well, we will see, I suppose.

/end of off topic

[LinksOcarina]

Are Dragon Age fans not guilty of bias? One only need look at Deflagratio's most recent posts to see that isn't true, if anything Dragon Age fans are far quicker to bash other series for things that they would give the Dragon Age series a free pass on.

 

that is what bias is.

 

That said, to say both games are infallible is a gross misnomer. 

[Inquisitor Mary Sue]

Everyone's biased it's the very nature of humans not to be objective, that said CDPR earned a lot of goodwill and they haven't yet done anything to lose it.

Bioware on the other hand lost much of its goodwill in recent years (not mine I still love you guys) and has much negative bias to overcome.

 

Everyone or at least most have a favorite sure, however bias seems to indicate an unfair favoring or prejudice to one side over the other. To say that the goodwill earned by CDPR is the result of an unfair bias or to say that the only reason that their games are well received is because of all the goodwill they recieved is a bit disrespectful to the amount of work they put in and the quality of their games.

[aTigerslunch]

I don't mind changes, allows me to explore more than if it was the same place again.....DA2 is fine example of how boring a location can get if doesn't change much at all.

Though I love it and just count Varric is retelling the tale and wasn't that descriptive when retelling of areas.

 

A town, been around for centuries, within one century something major happens, war, fire and such. New replaces old, or an old building that is now a small park. It didn't take more than ten years to flatten and rebuild the husk of a building.

 

 

 

Me, myself, I found Recliffe was weak so Im going to spend next two years rebuilding the walls and outlaying area. 8 years later someone returns and says WTF?  I say to that person, I needed to fix the flaws. What flaws? they ask. The building was rampaged with a demon, it gave me a reason to see a change, anymore questions my friend? I say to them and their response, Oh, ok, but I liked the old look.  Well its my castle and I wanted to change it some, if you prefer, I can help build you one to your liking.  You giving me my own place?! Sweet!

[aTigerslunch]

Id love Witcher if it had a CC.

[Allan Schumacher]

Are Dragon Age fans not guilty of bias? One only need look at Deflagratio's most recent posts to see that isn't true, if anything Dragon Age fans are far quicker to bash other series for things that they would give the Dragon Age series a free pass on.

 

It's a matter of perspective.  People who say the things you agree with are more inclined to say things you consider well founded, logical, appropriate, and reasonable.  Those that say things you disagree with are more likely to be wrong, ill tempered, inconsiderate, and hostile.

 

My experience outside of the BioWare forum is seeing more Witcher fans trash BioWare than the other way around.  But I can't say if that's a majority perspective or anything like that.  Just that it's my experience.  I'll acknowledge that my bias is that I'm more inclined to see those posts, get frustrated, and take note of them (even if I don't respond) as another tick in the box of Witcher fans trashing on BioWare.

 

That said, if you're coming onto a BioWare message board, I wouldn't be too surprised to meet some resistance.  I'd consider it poor taste if I were to head over to CDPR's forums to talk about how much I dislike the game and how they are biased for things they otherwise give a free pass on in The Witcher games.

 

 

Which is why I said it reminds me a lot of Nintendo and Sega from when I was a kid.  As much time was spent trashing the other as building up your own, when the reality is that they both had games and both provided entertainment and, as far as I was concerned, up to the task of delivering that with a variety of entertainment.

 

Not everyone is going to like the SNES.  Not everyone is going to like the Genesis.  But I have a feeling a good number of people would have actually liked what both had to offer if they weren't entrenched in the ideological war.  As such, they give free passes to franchise they prefer, and are harder on the one they don't like as much.  The issue comes when people evangelize about it, and the dislike for the product is associated with the fanbase that represents it.

[ReadingRambo220]

Evidently we are kindred spirits (I'm hoping Planescape: Torment rounds out the list? <.<) hehehe

Of course! GoG has a great mod guide that really improves the play quality, I recently had a playthrough utilizing them and it was fantastic. Biggs widescreen mod, Ghostdogs UI mod, and several others really enhance the game, and make it playable on modern PCs. Even I find its native 640 x 480 resolution quite jarring nowadays

[Allan Schumacher]

Everyone or at least most have a favorite sure, however bias seems to indicate an unfair favoring or prejudice to one side over the other.

 

I would bet large sums of money that if the DAI footage shown said The Witcher III on it, there'd be groups of people that would like it when they scoff at it because it has BioWare's name on it.

 

I would bet the same large sums of money that if The Witcher footage was shown and it said Dragon Age on it, there'd be gruops of people that would like it when they scoff at it because it has CD Projekt's name on it.

[Setiweb]

 

But at the same time, some places in DAO and DA2 don't even respect Euclidean space very well (or at all).  So fundamentally some areas that get revisited will need to be changed because in DAO the interiors of them are actually larger than the exteriors.

Some?  I'd say most if not all.  (A really great example was Hawke's mansion.)

[Allan Schumacher]

Some?  I'd say most if not all.  (A really great example was Hawke's mansion.)

 

I just mentioned DAO.  DA2 would be more egregious.  Things like houses are the biggest culprits.  But I suspect Castle Redcliffe is a problem as well.

 

 

I understand that DAO was antiquated and some areas need to change for the better. But do those areas need to be redesigned so drastically to the point where it looks completely unrecognisable? Did Redcliffe castle really need to lose it's rounded towers for blocky ones?

 

I'm not an artist, but I wouldn't be surprised if it has a lot to do with the framing of the shot.  Do we ever see Castle Redcliffe's exterior in any meaningful way than the courtyard?  As such, it's circular and it may be seen as a more appealing aesthetic to make it rounder.  Now that it's more visible from the exterior, perhaps now the circular aesthetic makes less of an issue.  Or it's seen from the vantage point where suddenly "ugh.... these circle towers actually kind of look like crap."

[Inquisitor Mary Sue]

I would bet large sums of money that if the DAI footage shown said The Witcher III on it, there'd be groups of people that would like it when they scoff at it because it has BioWare's name on it.

 

I would bet the same large sums of money that if The Witcher footage was shown and it said Dragon Age on it, there'd be gruops of people that would like it when they scoff at it because it has CD Projekt's name on it.

 

Not sure I can recall seeing anyone unfairly bashing Inquisition's footage but perhaps I am just not looking hard enough, so far Inquisition is looking good and I would like to think that no matter whether you are a fan of Dragon Age or the Witcher you would still be able to appreciate that.

[aTigerslunch]

Two different games, hard to compare to be honest. Similarities are medieval fantasy only, stories are different gameplay is different. Characters are more engaging in Dragon age than they was in Witcher 2 to me. I got bored and stopped playing Witcher 2 at the dwarf town. Wasn't as many choices as I would of liked. More to the point, I became lost in wanting to hear party members banter,

 

Bound by Flame, couldn't get past chapter two in it as was no choices that I could find that is impactful. I have quite a list of cons I didn't like more than I did like.

 

I bet your right on those screen shot switches Allan.

 

I still own SNES, and Genesis and play Shadowrun on both. Planescape Torment is amongst my files of games I still own too.

[Osena109]

Not sure what you mean by this.

 

The series as a whole has held a consistent tone and style in art? Or the individual games adhere to their chosen style better? (Or both?)

 

 

Either way, The Witcher does have a lot of internal consistency. I just find it's look to be dreadfully boring though. The "Modern Warfare" of RPGs in terms of how bland it is visually.

 

Also, personal pet peeve in The Witcher, for a master Monster-Hunting swordsman, Geralt handles his blade in-game like an amateur. Overswinging and telegraphing way too much. Sure, in Dragon Age, you've got spinny energy bolt dagger jumpkicks, but DA:I isn't exactly trying to be taken seriously on the same level as The Witcher.

 

 

 

There's a lot I could criticize CDprojekt Red for (Clashing combat mechanics and encounter design being No1), but optimization hasn't been one... Hell, the Witcher II advanced ran amazing on Lol360 and blew every game out of the water visually on the platform.

the witcher 2  otimization was horrible  i  have friend that hade  i7 920 overcloked and gtx   580 that only got 25 fps

[Kirikou]

Even if the DA: I has about the same graphics as the Witcher 2 that's still amazing seeing as the Witcher 2 is one of the best looking games ever. 

 

I personally think the Witcher 3 will have better graphics seeing as that's one of the things they focus on but I don't really care too much about that to be honest.

[Setiweb]

I'd consider it poor taste if I were to head over to CDPR's forums to talk about how much I dislike the game and how they are biased for things they otherwise give a free pass on in The Witcher games.

 

As a BW employee you are spot on with this.  When I managed to contact two of CDPR's top dogs to get permission to port their resources over for a DAO mod they were very accommodating and IMO encouraged to see that people wanted to see their product in other games.  Hostility (foolishness really) comes from the "fans".  There is no X staff vs. Y staff war/battle/fight going on no matter how many times I see someone post something along those lines.

[Allan Schumacher]

Not sure I can recall seeing anyone unfairly bashing Inquisition's footage but perhaps I am just not looking hard enough, so far Inquisition is looking good and I would like to think that no matter whether you are a fan of Dragon Age or the Witcher you would still be able to appreciate it.

 

Oh yes, I've seen people bash Inquisitions footage.  Lots and lots of it.  When it's something you work on, it's the type of stuff that can really stick out.  On the Lead them or fall trailer page there's no shortage of scathing remarks.  I actually interacted with one of them for a bit too (Ctrl-F for Peter White).

 

 

I am getting better at being more receptive (and remembering) the feedback as a whole.  I've grown a bit, and learned to better understand what people mean when they may say some things.  I used to get really upset at the term "lazy" for instance, but it bothers me a bit less now.

[Vegeta93]

To me both series are good but witcher 2 got boring after the first run. Bioware games have a lot more replay value then witcher of course it looks better and is a good game and will get witcher 3. But DAI for me is a better game with more options in that game and more replay value and content i like in there game.

[Allan Schumacher]

As a BW employee you are spot on with this.  When I managed to contact two of CDPR's top dogs to get permission to port their resources over for a DAO mod they were very accommodating and IMO encouraged to see that people wanted to see their product in other games.  Hostility (foolishness really) comes from the "fans".  There is no X staff vs. Y staff war/battle/fight going on no matter how many times I see someone post something along those lines.

 

I don't have any issues with CDPR.  They're a bunch of game devs trying to make something that they think will be awesome.

 

I met one on the Obsidian boards, and briefly met one here (Jan, who has since moved on to other things).  Both strike me as reasonable and respectful people.

[Enigmatick]

 

 I've grown a bit, and learned to better understand what people mean when they may say some things.  I used to get really upset at the term "lazy" for instance, but it bothers me a bit less now.

What do they mean when they say lazy, then? I'll admit I lobbed that criticism a few times.

[Allan Schumacher]

What do they mean when they say lazy, then? I'll admit I lobbed that criticism a few times.

 

I used to take it literally: we didn't put something in because we simply couldn't be bothered to do it.  We'd rather sit back with our feet up doing nothing.

 

It may shift somewhat depending on the context, but it's really just a qualitative statement about the thing that they didn't like.  It came across as low enough quality that it feels unsatisfactory to them.  There may be some implicit assumption as to their perception of the difficulty of a task, but in reality they don't actually know that.  But I can't fault them necessarily for it.  I could split hairs over the semantics that they don't understand the challenges, or simply recognize that it's a criticism that says "This comes across as unfinished or unpolished, and is negatively affecting my experience."

 

 

Of course I'd prefer them to actually say that, since I'm human and get defensive.  But hey, they're probably emotional too so it behooves me to examine a critique and try to look past the method of delivery of a critique (the tone) and try to understand what the critique actually is referencing.

[Han Shot First]

Considering they only have to focus on one protagonist/voice/etc. etc. with not as many permanent companions, I'm not surprised at all.

 

You can't really compare the two, because one is single protag and the other is much more party focused. 

 

It isn't just Geralt. The Witcher 3's companion characters look better as well.

 

That being said, TW3 is fully next gen. So it isn't really a fair comparison.