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[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

It's like it was in Ancient Rome. Nobody cares If you had homosexual activity as long as you played by the rule of the society meaning for a men to have a wife and children and be an "honest" pater familias (meaning a good citizens). Nobody would have judged a noble Roman for his homosexuality  with favorite slaves or other man, however in public he should have been with his wife and childrens.

 

As Tevinter is inspired by Rome and Byzantium also their view on society is similar to it. Homosexuality in ancient Greece and Rome was very different on how it is now, current way of seeing it (as a pure sexual preference) would have been unaccetable for their times where a man had to be married with children, however if society request were satisfied nobody would have judged what a man would do in his private chambers.

 

I really like how the writers gave great attention to these details.

 

Um but that's not true.

 

In rome, public relationships with men were accepted. It's only if dominance is threatened that its a bad thing.

 

Example: Nero marries a man in Tacitus' annals. The focus is not on the fact that the guy who he marries is male (no emphasis WHATSOEVER is put on that fact), it's on the fact that he wore a bridal veil and had receptive sex with him in public. For a woman having public sex is just as bad, with the exception that it at least didn't challenge their notions of masculinity and femininity.

[SolNebula]

Um but that's not true.

 

In rome, public relationships with men were accepted. It's only if dominance is threatened that its a bad thing.

 

Example: Nero marries a man in Tacitus' annals. The focus is not on the fact that the guy who he marries is male (no emphasis WHATSOEVER is put on that fact), it's on the fact that he wore a bridal veil and had receptive sex with him in public. For a woman having public sex is just as bad, with the exception that it at least didn't challenge their notions of masculinity and femininity.

 

Uhmm....no??

 

Using Nero as an example is hardly useful on what was tolerated in that time...since the poor bastard was disgraced and committed suicide and yes the fact that was publicly married with a man was a scandal. Rome had a double morality...a private one (rather liberal) and a public one (more conservative). Public relationships with men (in the sense of a traditional marriage) were not accepted by the elites. Again homosexuality in ancient times was different than what is it now. The idea of a man publicly married with another men was never accepted. Of course in their own private lives Romans did whatever they wanted but there was a public "moral" that none could change.

 

Nero and Elagabalus tried to change this system of morality of the Roman elite and it didn't end well for them but consider for example someone like Hadrian that had a relation with a favourite slave called Antinous but still managed to have power and be considered a great emperor. Why? Because he limited this to his personal life while being married publicly with Vibia Sabina. Nobody cared (everyone knew) that the Emperor was homosexual in reality as long as the public facade was standing.

 

I think that this is pretty much how Tevinter would see homosexuality in their own society well for what I understand of the Tevinter Imperium

[KainD]

Can we please not call Maevaris a man or, worse, a 'trap'? Maevaris is a transwoman. (And she is awesome and has excellent taste in husbands.)

Can we just call things what we want to call them?

[Karach_Blade]

Did we met a tevinter magister who was a trap? Mia, Mea or something? S he wasn't a pariah, s he went to balls and all.

 

As a transman, I'd appreciate it if you don't refer to Maevaris as a trap. I've been called a trap myself and I really don't appreciate that. 

[Amirit]

Hm, I had a feeling homosexuality is totally fine as long as it does not interfere with producing children of desired heritage. Meaning, a mage from a good family HAS to be married and sleep with his wife\husband enough times to get children (which can be equal to number of children, since they are mages and should be able control those thins). But the rest of the nights is totally up to mage - ******-, hetero-, bi-lovers - who cares?  

[Grieving Natashina]

As a transman, I'd appreciate it if you don't refer to Maevaris as a trap. I've been called a trap myself and I really don't appreciate that. 

Ouch, that would be harsh.  I thought I had been called some ugly things.    I'm sorry you had to go through that (and much worse I'm sure.)  <hugs>

[Lebanese Dude]

Can we just call things what we want to call them?

 

There's something called mutual respect that people need to abide by on forums. Calling someone by a "nickname" is not only disrespectful but incredibly immature.