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[metalfenix]

How is Alistair a 'good guy'? He betrays you and the cause and is wiling to abandon Fereldan and possibly the entire world to the Blight if you don't kill someone he doesn't like.

 

He's a man child.

 

You spoke the truth (pun intended )

[mikeymoonshine]

Alistair is a very popular character or at least i thought he was. Wynne gets backlash from the people who oppose the circle and the people who hate all mages. Also I think allot of people found her butting into your personal affairs and telling you what to do annoying. Despite all that I don't think she is one of the most hated characters and I really liked her tbh. I am still sad about what happened in Asunder. 

[BlueMagitek]

I haven't really seen that backlash in Dragon Age, honestly.  It's much more common a Mass Effect complaint, where it really amounts to Paragaons being rewarded much more greatly than Renegades, both in feels & by in game benefits.

 

I'm perfectly fine with 'Good' characters.

[TheKomandorShepard]

On a sidenote, I can't even tell who's "good" or "bad" in DA2.

 

Which is fine by me btw.

 

Kind of seems the case for DAI as well.

Everyone is bad in da 2 it is insanity simulator

[Mr.House]

I beg to differ.

 

No one likes Joffery, not even Lannister fans.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

This could just be BSN experience talking but I think there is a backlash against every type of character for every type of reason. Just some more than others.

[Maria Caliban]

No one likes Joffery, not even Lannister fans.

Joffery is interesting. In a series known for its complex characters, he's about as one-dimensional as you get but the fans love (hating) the character.

[frylock23]

I don't know. I've discovered over the years that I just can't play evil very well. It tends to be boring, honestly. Evil is easy. You don't have to care about anyone else except maybe yourself and you do whatever you want to achiever whatever you feel like achieving.

 

Playing good, by contrast, wound up being far more challenging in the sense that you generally had the same goals, but had to try to achieve them while trying to think of everyone else, before yourself. That can lead to bad things for yourself.

 

I'm speaking about tabletop RPGs, not video games. Both are easy in videogames where you generally get from A to B no matter how you play because that's how the game is designed.

 

I do still have a hard time making some choices though. It just doesn't make me comfortable just like there are some companions I'm not as happy with. I almost never ran with Morrigan once I had access to Wynne, for example. I got tired of Morrigan's attitude.

[Kimarous]

Honestly, unless it's a scenario where there's an unambiguous villain, there's no real case of "good guys" and "bad guys" - just "good actions", "bad actions", and "grey actions." Overall, I consider my Warden a "good guy", but not all his actions are "good" for everyone. He opted to put Bhelen on the throne of Orzammar because the caste system sucks and the casteless need uplifting - "good" as far as he's concerned. At the same time, Bhelen's policies result in the expulsion and death of many members of the nobility - is it not "bad" then?

 

What weight do individual actions hold to long-term consequences in regards to "goodness"? The problems with people like the Starks is that they hold onto honour to such an extent that it brought down the majority of their house, ignoring the long-term consequences of individual actions. Is the execution of one murderer worth losing half your army over? Is sparing one family worth the demise of your own?

 

It's a lot easier to find unambiguously "bad" people in Thedas (for example: Arl Howe) than there are to find unambiguously "good" people. Even the most well-intended actions by the most innocent minds can have devastating consequences - just look what happened at Connor's naive but heartfelt efforts to save his father.

[Karlone123]

You can still be friends with the "good guys" but that doesn't mean you necessary have to agree with their opinions. It's like what Bioware tried and did implement in some areas of DA2 with the friendship/rivalry system. While not a perfect system, it did try to show companions and Hawke did not hate each other because they didn't agree on things.

 

Despite how much I like Alistair, I tend to favour Loghain over him because I have a lot of respect for Loghain even though I knew of what he had done, but it is surprising how relationships can evolve in a sense with someone who wanted you dead.

[PsychoBlonde]

Goody two shoes characters are simply boring and or annoying most of the time.

 

 

This has more to do with quality of writing than with the characters.  I know a bunch of authors who can write eminently good, moral characters without them being boring or obnoxious.  Some can even create FASCINATING characters that are good through and through.  Sherlock Holmes comes to mind as a character with an absolute, driven code of morality, decency, and humanity.

 

Such in depth character studies aren't really functional when you have more of an ensemble cast.  If you were to have a "Sherlock Holmes" type of character in an ensemble game or movie or similar, they'd wind up coming across like a Mary Sue character who always gets the last word and always comes off looking like the Only Sane Man in every interaction.  They would quite likely upstage the PC and be spectacularly annoying for THAT reason.  I mean, do you REALLY want to play as WATSON?

 

But they can't really turn the PC into Sherlock Holmes, either, without nuking your ability to have fun options regarding the nature of your character and his/her personality etc..  You CAN have games where you play as a fully-realized character, but this isn't that type of game.  I do wish they'd quit turning you into Derpy McDerpstein, though.  It irks the crap out of me when games lead you by the nose through some OBVIOUS "he's going to betray us" setup and then the villain pulls some "hah you idiot you NEVER IMAGINED I would turn on you" shtick.  I knew you were up to no good the moment I saw you but the damn game wouldn't let me do anything about it.  It irks the CRAP out of me when the game FORCES you to act like a MORON.  Even just little things like "HI, I'm Commander Shepard the High-Ranking Military Person And I've Never Heard of Any of This Stuff--in fact, even after you, the player, dragged my butt all over the Citadel and read every goddamn lexicon entry about EVERYTHING I, Commander Derpard, STILL HAVE NEVER HEARD ABOUT ANY OF IT."

 

I really, really hope they avoid having you do anything just blatantly boneheaded like asking "dur, what's a Qunari?"  Okay, I grant you if they did actually create a background option that was something like "you've never been outside the Circle tower also you have amnesia and dyslexia and your mentor makes you wear earplugs because of a nervous disorder" all right, I'll buy it, you have no clue what a Qunari is.  DA2 was reasonably decent in this respect as far as I remember.  

[aphelion4]

I loved Wynne, Alistair and Leliana. The only cast I found annoying in DA:O was Morrigan and Sten. Morrigan because she was a bitter hag who I wanted to punch to shut her bitter ass up from time to time, and Sten because he was ignorant and a douche. (That being said I still liked Morrigan and Sten, just not as much as everyone else).

 

In DA2, I absolutely LOATHED Merril (like wow I could just punch that moron in the face). And loved the rest of the cast (until Anders did the thing at the end). I have no idea why I liked who I did...they just sort of clicked with me. Generally I will prefer the good, humorous characters with interesting backgrounds. Being a dick for the sake of being a dick will force me to search for a Slapping Mod.

[Maria Caliban]

Honestly, unless it's a scenario where there's an unambiguous villain, there's no real case of "good guys" and "bad guys"...

It depends on the series and what the author does.

Catherine Valente doesn't do villains* but has lots of good guys. Her heroes are caring, brave, smart, and interesting and it's obvious that you're not supposed to doubt their goodness. Most of their questionable actions are simply part of being overwhelmed by circumstances; a lock smith from NYC ends up in a magical world, scares off the spirit of his dead sister, and when he goes back to NYC he is so desperate to get back that he walks around NYC half-naked for a week, begging anyone he meets for help. This creeps people out and makes them uncomfortable but I wouldn't call it 'bad.'

* Off the top of my head, her antagonists are a door that follows you around and tries to force you out of a maze, a group of mute, disabled veterans trying to prevent a war, and a prince who decides he's going to marry his mother.

[Schreckstoff]

It's funny that I'm constantly annoyed by too "good" characters yet one of my favourite fantasy characters of all time couldn't be more righteous and that being born into a society that doesn't even have words for trust nor friend. Obviously talking of the one and only Drizzt Do'Urden.

[KaiserShep]

A character like Wynne can really grate on one's nerves, because that heavy-handed, self righteous duty talk gets old really quickly. The same goes for Alistair, since being a Warden is a total sh*t show, and nothing he says will ever change that.

 

The latter point is why I hope we're never forced to become a Grey Warden in these games again.

[Mukora]

Demonstration: How to take people criticizing your favorite characters too personally.

I wasn't even close to being serious.

[Chernaya]

Personally, I've never noticed a backlash against "good" characters. I adore Alistair and like Wynne, but it doesn't have much to do with their morality. It's a subjective thing, but I guess on a general scale they could both be considered "good", even though they were both a bit selfish in their own right. Alistair was naive and Wynne was judgmental but they had their reasons. I've never seen much hate towards either of them though, I see it much more with very radical characters like Anders or Fenris who can be considered good or evil based on the players own moral standards. 

[Former_Fiend]

It's funny that I'm constantly annoyed by too "good" characters yet one of my favourite fantasy characters of all time couldn't be more righteous and that being born into a society that doesn't even have words for trust nor friend. Obviously talking of the one and only Drizzt Do'Urden.

 

King Obould forever.

[Kingthlayer]

Perhaps on other sites you might see backlash against good guys but not on this site.  You ever see topics in the Mass Effect section asking Paragon or Renegade, seems a solid 70-75% are Paragon.  This website loves the good guys.