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Fiona left the Grey Wardens and became the Grand Enchanter at some point.  I think she was part of the Monstimmard Circle at one point but don't know if she was ever the First Enchanter there.

 

You have to be a First Enchanter to be a Grand Enchanter but her being First Enchanter at Montsimmard is just an assumption based on the fact that this was the circle she was originally part of. 



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But Gwindeline isn't French. How could she be the VA of Vivienne?

 

Viv's VA in the demo wasn't french and we don't know where Viv is originally from. She's just described as Orlesian. We also don't know if everyone from Orlais will have a french accent or not. 



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Viv's VA in the demo wasn't french and we don't know where Viv is originally from. She's just described as Orlesian. We also don't know if everyone from Orlais will have a french accent or not. 

But if she is described as Orlesian, doesn't make her Orlesian? 



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You have to be a First Enchanter to be a Grand Enchanter but her being First Enchanter at Montsimmard is just an assumption based on the fact that this was the circle she was originally part of.


Her being First Enchanter at Montsimmard is an assumption based on Mary saying she was the First Enchanter at Montsimmard.
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But if she is described as Orlesian, doesn't make her Orlesian? 

 

Yes but it doesn't mean that is where she is origionally from or that it will be the accent she has. Leliana identifies as Ferelden for example. 



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Her being First Enchanter at Montsimmard is an assumption based on Mary saying she was the First Enchanter at Montsimmard.

 

I'm talking about Fiona. 



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I literally read 'Fiona' as 'Vivienne.' Wow.
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#283
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Leliana is Ferelden by blood, vivienne is orlesian by culture



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I literally read 'Fiona' as 'Vivienne.' Wow.

 

:P well I was talking about them both so confusion is understandable. 

 

Does anyone know If a First Enchanter retains their First Enchanter status when they become Grand Enchanter? 



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You have to be a First Enchanter to be a Grand Enchanter but her being First Enchanter at Montsimmard is just an assumption based on the fact that this was the circle she was originally part of. 

 

I agree that Grand Enchanters are appointed from First Enchanter's but I'm not sure if Fiona was a special case.  I skimmed through Asunder and couldn't find anything specific.

 

I'm also not sure if Grand Enchanter's give up their position as First Enchanter of Circle X.  Fiona could have been First Enchanter of Montsimmard and Vivienne took over after Fiona was promoted to Grand Enchanter.  This might be something Vivienne will talk about in game.



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Viv's VA in the demo wasn't french and we don't know where Viv is originally from. She's just described as Orlesian. We also don't know if everyone from Orlais will have a french accent or not. 

I don't think everyone in Orlais will have an Orlesian accent. I think Vivienne is more Orlesian by culture. Looking at the E3 2013 demo, she sounded British, not really French.



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I agree that Grand Enchanters are appointed from First Enchanter's but I'm not sure if Fiona was a special case.  I skimmed through Asunder and couldn't find anything specific.

 

Yeah I need to reread Asunder too tbh I have no idea about Fiona but I just assumed she became a First Enchanter before becoming Grand Enchanter. 

 

 

 

 

I'm also not sure if Grand Enchanter's give up their position as First Enchanter of Circle X.  Fiona could have been First Enchanter of Montsimmard and Vivienne took over after Fiona was promoted to Grand Enchanter.  This might be something Vivienne will talk about in game.

 

According to the Wiki it seems like they live in Cumberland so I guess that would be evidence against them keeping their old title. 

 

It's just a theory anyway. 

 

Coz they said she was next in line to become a First Enchanter and now Mary is saying she is one. Something like that would make both statements true, she technically would be one when you meet her but isn't one prior to the game. 



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I don't think everyone in Orlais will have an Orlesian accent. I think Vivienne is more Orlesian by culture. Looking at the E3 2013 demo, she sounded British, not really French.

 

True but that might not be the voice she ends up with in game.  ;)


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True but that might not be the voice she ends up with in game.  ;)


I think it was said none of the voices you heard in the demo were placeholders. (Or at least intended as such)

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If Madame ends up with a French accent, I expect the complaints about her will double.

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I think it was said none of the voices you heard in the demo were placeholders. (Or at least intended as such)

 

Oh good, I liked her demo voice. 



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Oh good, I liked her demo voice.


As did I. I think the fact that she doesn't have a French accent adds a nice layer to her that we can speculate about, something that I also hope is properly addressed in game.

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Coz they said she was next in line to become a First Enchanter and now Mary is saying she is one. 

 

Yeah, that's what's throwing me off as well.  I think the 'next in line' info comes from the Game Informer article from last September.  They could be mistaken or misheard something the devs said about Vivienne.


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I thought they were Italy. Or more specifically, old Venitian Italy.

 

Antiva itself is supposed to be similar to a medieval city-state  like Venice, but Antivans speak with Spanish accents and even use Spanish dialect, including Zevran and Feynriel's father. For example, Zevran tells his love interest, "Si amor?", while Vincento exclaims, "Maldición" in Kirkwall.

 

I've actually crafted my previous two canon protagonists as ethnically Antivan (although they are culturally Fereldan), and I plan to do the same with my canon Inquisitor.


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Well, hello to you, too, Madame.    :wub:



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Weird, I haven't been able to like anything because I ran out but it just let me like that fan art and now I can't like again.  :blink:



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True but that might not be the voice she ends up with in game.  ;)

Also true! :)



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Weird, I haven't been able to like anything because I ran out but it just let me like that fan art and now I can't like again.  :blink:


I believe each like is on some sort of timer. Roughly 24 hours I think.
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So is Vivienne like a switched Leliana?