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#4876
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@Xilizhra:  Adrian is not "complicated" at all. 

And who set these two nobodies in their positions as leaders eh?  They're not even Senior Enchanters from what I can tell (I could be wrong here)... and yet two nobodies are boosted to the positions of leaders of the two largest factions over Senior and First Enchanters.  Adrian easily makes more sense - but the Rhys thing is so "out there".
 
Rhys was backed into a corner and didn't have the spine to say no.  I say that because he was backed into the war.  He did not want it.  
 
That these two were conveniently placed into leadership roles of the two largest factions (because you're mother was a good person... WHAT?) wreaks of manipulation - my guess is from Fiona and actually... Irving, who we know to be a scheming bastard.  So they could claim non-complicit behavior and save their skins should the rebellion go south - which won't work in my Inquisition playhthrough.


Wynne is a part of why Rhys was made faction leader, but not the whole reason. His charisma (at least as compared to Adrian) is listed early on as a reason he gets along better with the Libertarians than Adrian does, even though she's more a believer in their cause. He has a habit of being present for very significant moments in the Mage/Templar conflict and the fact that he is conflicted and uncertain is used to mark him as wiser than Adrian. Or for that matter...Anders.

Oversimplifying a cause into black and white dichotomies gets you into trouble in Thedas. So does waffling over complications, but it's partially because he does so that some of the Aequetarians might see him as an Avatar for their changing mind set. It's hardly the first time Bioware has had a character launched into authority due to power of personality and a reputation for competence.

He also is a Senior Enchanter, a very powerful one.

That said, you're probably right about Irving.

#4877
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Well, it strikes me as uncalled-for to say that the Aequitarians didn't know whom they were getting; Rhys wasn't exactly an unknown figure. And given some lines in Origins about the Aequitarians moving away from the Loyalists and towards the Libertarians, I'd say it all comes together in a situation that makes sense.

 

In other words: Yes, they wanted Rhys because it'd make the move towards the libertarian side all the easier.



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I'm saying - that voting someone from outside your ranks from a different political party... is beyond suspicious, it's blatant.

 

The Libertarians would have been crushed without maneuvering someone into the ranks of the Aequatarians.

 

It's VERY suspicious that they're not First Enchanters... and that First Enchanters were obviously spearheading the voting process... because, why wouldn't they be... they're the leaders of their "once" Circles.

 

Rhys has already shown how mentally impressionable he is by being manipulated by both Cole and Adrian.  An excellent puppet as the figurehead of the Aequatarians.

 

EDIT:  Of note - I have no particular loyalty to Vivienne yet... just that what I have seen I like and her stated views are the same as my own.

 

Note #2: Niale says the Aequatarians are softening... Senior Enchanter Torrin says: "Sympathy for the position isn't the same as support.  Yet, as far as I know, most Aequatarians prefer to be allied with the Loyalists."



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Well things were different back in 9:30 it has been 10 years since then, and 3 years since the Templars cracking down. That might have made the Aequitarians lean more towards the Libertarians.


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Is it me?  Or does anyone think Viv is in a secret relationship with a noble? We can't romance her because her heart might belong to someone else. 



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Is it me?  Or does anyone think Viv is in a secret relationship with a noble? We can't romance her because her heart might belong to someone else. 

 

Nah, Viv's ambitions simply don't include romance. I can appreciate that, and in some ways relish that. DAII had the habit of making some interesting actions flirt-only, like trying to teach Fenris how to read (Teaching my close friends how to read does not mean I want to bed them, Bioware!)

 

This way, I can explore the entirety of Vivienne's story without romance getting in the way.


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Rofl, so I just watched the Vivienne trailer on youtube and totally expected her to backhand the hell outta that guy. I find it hilarious that I actually gasped in that moment. Oh Vivi, the things you do to me. XD
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i wonder if Viv wore that hat when she was little lol i also wonder if she is a KnightEnchanter and if she is one were do you learn that ability

#4884
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Couple of new vids with Vivi in...man that voice  :wub:

 

The second in particular is just AWESOME!

 

 


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#4885
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And more and more I agree with this lady -

 

I could have had a silent protagonist - looks like anything this woman says I agree with.


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Aww, why are these videos private?! :(
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#4887
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Vivienne is a star. I've never been this excited for a companion



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Is it me?  Or does anyone think Viv is in a secret relationship with a noble? We can't romance her because her heart might belong to someone else. 

I really hope not and hope this is a temporay ala 'Tali' in ME to ME2 we'll get there eventually story



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Vivenne wants no romantic relationship with the Inquisitor because he or she is a:

  • Marcher peasant
  • Midget
  • Tal-Vashoth outcast

/speculation



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Vivenne wants no romantic relationship with the Inquisitor because he or she is a:

  • Marcher peasant
  • Midget
  • Tal-Vashoth outcast

/speculation

Vivienne is also a Marcher.



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Vivenne wants no romantic relationship with the Inquisitor because he or she is a:

  • Marcher peasant
  • Midget
  • Tal-Vashoth outcast

/speculation

 

Human is a Noble Marcher, and Vivienne herself is a marcher 



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Vivenne wants no romantic relationship with the Inquisitor because he or she is a:

  • Marcher peasant
  • Midget
  • Tal-Vashoth outcast

/speculation

I think this meme summarizes the Vivienne romance.

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#4893
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Vivenne wants no romantic relationship with the Inquisitor because he or she is a:

  • Marcher peasant
  • Midget
  • Tal-Vashoth outcast

/speculation

 

Nah...true reason why she is not interested in Inquisitior or any romance in general is:

Spoiler


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#4894
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Nah...true reason why she is not interested in Inquisitior or any romance in general is:

Spoiler

Spoiler



#4895
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Vivienne is also a Marcher.

 

 

Human is a Noble Marcher, and Vivienne herself is a marcher 

Yes, thank you for pointing out things that I already know of.



#4896
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I think this meme summarizes the Vivienne romance.
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#4897
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Anyone east of Val Chevin is an uncultured pleb.  Some noble from Ostwick would probably be seen as nothing more than a glorified commoner.

 

Second, I don't believe that Vivienne would be too vocal of her Free Marcher roots when in the company of puffed-up Orlesian nobles.  It's already enough that her ancestral homeland is filled with everything that stands contrary to her adopted country.



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I thought vivienne was from Riavian?



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Anyone east of Val Chevin is an uncultured pleb.  Some noble from Ostwick would probably be seen as nothing more than a glorified commoner.

 

Second, I don't believe that Vivienne would be too vocal of her Free Marcher roots when in the company of puffed-up Orlesian nobles.  It's already enough that her ancestral homeland is filled with everything that stands contrary to her adopted country.

 

Especially when there are quite a few Orlesians in the Empire who support Gaspard's desire to reconquer former Orlesian holdings, which includes the Free Marches. As her homeland, that may lead her rivals to raise her loyalty into question, causing her to lose favour at court?



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Especially when there are quite a few Orlesians in the Empire who support Gaspard's desire to reconquer former Orlesian holdings, which includes the Free Marches. As her homeland, that may lead her rivals to raise her loyalty into question, causing her to lose favour at court?

I don't believe she holds any loyalty to the land of her birth.  Judging by what I have seen of her, she seems like the type who wanted to escape from that quagmire of a country to a place where her talents would be better suited.  Thus, she ended up being more Orlesian than most Orlesians themselves.