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[TheJediSaint]

I wonder if Vivienne could share one of her hats with Solas.  You know, to keep his brain warm when it gets cold out.

[revan11exile]

I wonder if Viv is an KE will she wield a sword or conjure a sword like in Skyrim?

[The Elder King]

I wonder if Viv is an KE will she wield a sword or conjure a sword like in Skyrim?

I don't think KE will wield a real sword.

[mikeymoonshine]

So I was in the Iron Bulls thread and I noticed this. 

 

 

It's by  ollybollywolly

 

I remember comparing Orlesian fashion to Alexander McQueen ages so it's interesting to see that others had the same idea. 

 

The outfit Vivienne is wearing is one of my favorite garments by him. 

[Nyeredzi]

I was led to believe Vivienne was black, and I gotta say I am conflicted about her eye color change. Black people, even Asians, don't posses blue eyes. Only white people have those.

 

Can we just have a true black character, not something twisted and white washed to appeal to you-know-who.

 

I'f you don't want black people in the game don't put them there. I would have no problem with that decision. Just no half-baked fakes.

[mikeymoonshine]

I was led to believe Vivienne was black, and I gotta say I am conflicted about her eye color change. Black people, even Asians, don't posses blue eyes. Only white people have those.

 

Can we just have a true black character, not something twisted and white washed to appeal to you-know-who.

 

I'f you don't want black people in the game don't put them there. I would have no problem with that decision. Just no half-baked fakes.

 

Black people can have blue eyes but it is very rare. Cortez from ME3 had blue eyes so it has been done before by bioware. I prefer Vivienne's brown eyes and it would annoy me a bit if they have changed them but I am not sure if they have. She had brown in the companion trailer shown at E3 and in all her promo shots and the Character kit. 

 

It could be a glitch because Leliana's eye colour change was apparently a glitch and it is apparently happening to other characters, or it could be a story thing. 

[The Elder King]

I was led to believe Vivienne was black, and I gotta say I am conflicted about her eye color change. Black people, even Asians, don't posses blue eyes. Only white people have those.
 
Can we just have a true black character, not something twisted and white washed to appeal to you-know-who.
 
I'f you don't want black people in the game don't put them there. I would have no problem with that decision. Just no half-baked fakes.

Really? I searched online and find Photos of both common and famous black people with blue eyes.

[Potato Cat]

I was led to believe Vivienne was black, and I gotta say I am conflicted about her eye color change. Black people, even Asians, don't posses blue eyes. Only white people have those.
 
Can we just have a true black character, not something twisted and white washed to appeal to you-know-who.
 
I'f you don't want black people in the game don't put them there. I would have no problem with that decision. Just no half-baked fakes.

Off the top of my head, Vanessa Williams is a black woman with blue eyes.

Not that I don't prefer the brown eyes. The blue eyes lack subtlety, screaming the whole ice queen thing. And both the Game and Vivienne are all about subtlety. Not to mention that I think she looks better with the brown. But at the end of the day, every picture she's appeared in showed her with brown eyes, and just one trailer where she had blue. Cassandra appeared in a trailer with white hair for DA2, and we all know it didn't mean she had white hair in the game. So I'm more than optimistic for a brown eyed Vivienne.

[Nyeredzi]

Those people you are talking about have fake eyes. They got them through surgery, or they are eye contacts. They are not natural.

 

Black people are not born with blue eyes.

[DaySeeker]

Magic.  Fashion.  Magical fashion.  

[Fizzie Panda]

I was led to believe Vivienne was black, and I gotta say I am conflicted about her eye color change. Black people, even Asians, don't posses blue eyes. Only white people have those.

 

Can we just have a true black character, not something twisted and white washed to appeal to you-know-who.

 

I'f you don't want black people in the game don't put them there. I would have no problem with that decision. Just no half-baked fakes.

The thing is, what if she was possessed or something? Like what if that is her "true agenda" as stated in the Companion trailer. *shivers*

[AresKeith]

Those people you are talking about have fake eyes. They got them through surgery, or they are eye contacts. They are not natural.

 

Black people are not born with blue eyes at all.

 

It could also be that bug

[The Elder King]

Those people you are talking about have fake eyes. They got them through surgery, or they are eye contacts. They are not natural.
 
Black people are not born with blue eyes at all.

http://www.arogundad...hazel-eyes.html
http://afritorial.co...with-blue-eyes/
Yeah, I think you're wrong.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Vivienne is an interesting character. From her fashion to her position and her character, she intrigues me. 

 

As for her fashion, it is outrageous and my Inquisitors will have no problem with it as long as she does not use Inquisition funds to get fancy clothes and ornaments. i am guessing if she does that, my Inquisitors and Scribbles will have a problem with that.  In fact, her fashion-consciousness levels is quite similar to that of my mother. I tolerate it because she uses her own money to get her fancy clothes and fake jewelries and she has enough sense to actually ask the input and involve the people she drags along to shopping trips, not leave them out or treat them like human shopping cart. If Vivienne is like this when it comes to her fashion, my Inquisitors will tolerate her just fine. 

 

As for her stance, this is where things really get interesting for me. Is Vivienne pro-Circle, against the mage-templar war and presumably against the Orlesian Civil War because she wants and craves the power she wields ? Is her stance derivative or her inability to change or to let go of her position of power and not because she cares for mages? If you look at the information we have so far on her, it is very clear that she is very fond of her position as a mage courtier in the Orlesian court. She also evidently self declared and continues to declare herself as a First Enchanter despite the fact that the Circles of Magi is effectively dissolved with the annulment of the Nevarran Accord, which means the position of First Enchanter has next to no meaning. 

 

Then there is the trailer which mentions that "she is ambitious and incredibly powerful but what is her true agenda ?" Couple that with her title with translates as Iron Lady. People who have the moniker of Iron Man or Iron Lady, who are ambitious tend to have no issues throwing people under the proverbial bus to get what they want. I mean, is her true agenda to help mages or to solidify her power in Orlais, in the Grand Game or to be in control over the mages themselves ? Do we as Inquisitors have to treat her as someone who plays the Grand Game amongst the people in Inquisition ? 

 

This also raises the question of how far is she willing to go to get what she wants ? Will she pull a Merrill and consort with demons and somehow justifying it ? Or will she do something else ? 

 

I am also eager to see how she acts towards the Inquisitor. Remember the Inquisitor can be an apostate mage or a Qunari mage or a Dalish mage or a non mage. Unless some of the Inquisitor have any noble ties, it is highly possible that the Inquisitor would be someone whom Vivienne either dislikes outright (apostate) or has never dealt with before. 

 

Also, Vivienne for romance ? With her judgemental-ness on people, especially their fashion sense and her ego, she must be heavily restricted / gated. Also just imagine romancing her. Getting her to her birthday suit will take at least half and hour. At least. Not very romantic when you think about it. Unless if she pulls a Triss Merigold and uses a spell. 

 

Those are my current impressions on Vivienne. Extravagantly fashionable which is not a problem if she funds that habit herself and she has an agenda which she seems to be willing to do anything to achieve it. Which makes me wary. 

[Fizzie Panda]

Vivienne is an interesting character. From her fashion to her position and her character, she intrigues me. 

 

As for her fashion, it is outrageous and my Inquisitors will have no problem with it as long as she does not use Inquisition funds to get fancy clothes and ornaments. i am guessing if she does that, my Inquisitors and Scribbles will have a problem with that.  In fact, her fashion-consciousness levels is quite similar to that of my mother. I tolerate it because she uses her own money to get her fancy clothes and fake jewelries and she has enough sense to actually ask the input and involve the people she drags along to shopping trips, not leave them out or treat them like human shopping cart. If Vivienne is like this when it comes to her fashion, my Inquisitors will tolerate her just fine. 

 

As for her stance, this is where things really get interesting for me. Is Vivienne pro-Circle, against the mage-templar war and presumably against the Orlesian Civil War because she wants and craves the power she wields ? Is her stance derivative or her inability to change or to let go of her position of power and not because she cares for mages? If you look at the information we have so far on her, it is very clear that she is very fond of her position as a mage courtier in the Orlesian court. She also evidently self declared and continues to declare herself as a First Enchanter despite the fact that the Circles of Magi is effectively dissolved with the annulment of the Nevarran Accord, which means the position of First Enchanter has next to no meaning. 

 

Then there is the trailer which mentions that "she is ambitious and incredibly powerful but what is her true agenda ?" Couple that with her title with translates as Iron Lady. People who have the moniker of Iron Man or Iron Lady, who are ambitious tend to have no issues throwing people under the proverbial bus to get what they want. I mean, is her true agenda to help mages or to solidify her power in Orlais, in the Grand Game or to be in control over the mages themselves ? Do we as Inquisitors have to treat her as someone who plays the Grand Game amongst the people in Inquisition ? 

 

This also raises the question of how far is she willing to go to get what she wants ? Will she pull a Merrill and consort with demons and somehow justifying it ? Or will she do something else ? 

 

I am also eager to see how she acts towards the Inquisitor. Remember the Inquisitor can be an apostate mage or a Qunari mage or a Dalish mage or a non mage. Unless some of the Inquisitor have any noble ties, it is highly possible that the Inquisitor would be someone whom Vivienne either dislikes outright (apostate) or has never dealt with before. 

 

Also, Vivienne for romance ? With her judgemental-ness on people, especially their fashion sense and her ego, she must be heavily restricted / gated. Also just imagine romancing her. Getting her to her birthday suit will take at least half and hour. At least. Not very romantic when you think about it. Unless if she pulls a Triss Merigold and uses a spell. 

 

Those are my current impressions on Vivienne. Extravagantly fashionable which is not a problem if she funds that habit herself and she has an agenda which she seems to be willing to do anything to achieve it. Which makes me wary. 

I bet she is one of the best players of the Grand Game, like seriously, a MAGE with that much political power in ORLAIS the freaking capital nation of the chantry.

[Nyeredzi]

http://www.arogundad...hazel-eyes.html
http://afritorial.co...with-blue-eyes/
Yeah, I think you're wrong.

Sorry, can't see the eyes through the amount of weaves they are wearing.

 

Oh, ok. Those are mixed.

 

[The Elder King]

You haven't read the actual articles, haven't you? Blue eyes are possible for black people. Rare, but possible.
And one/two people shown being mixed don't prove your point.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

I bet she is one of the best players of the Grand Game, like seriously, a MAGE with that much political power in ORLAIS the freaking capital nation of the chantry.

 

Exactly. Which means one must be very wary of her, even the Inquisitor. From reading The Masked Empire, if there is anything I learned, it is that you do not trust anyone who plays the Grand Game. Anyone. Trust them and you get backstabbed or killed. 

 

I mean apart from Leliana, no one else on the Inquisition team plays the Grand Game and plays it so well. Unless if Scribbles turn out to be someone like that. 
 

On the other hand, her knowledge of the Grand Game will be useful for the Inquisitor for political maneuvering in Orlais. 

 

That is the thing with Vivienne. She is beautiful, she is a powerful mage,  she knows how to dress and dress extravagantly but she plays/ has played the Grand Game. I guess the term I am looking for is Femme Fatale / Rose With Thorns. 

[Sylvianus]

It's more rare with ebony folks who have a very dark skin but black people with clearer skin ( because they are different black people, as there are different white people ) I've seen quite a lot of them with hazel, grey, green eyes, etc. 

 

Like this :

[Nyeredzi]

Really? I searched online and find Photos of both common and famous black people with blue eyes.

Online photos. 

 

Sit down son, let me tell you something about the internet.

[Afro_Explosion]

This person is a troll ignore him.

[The Elder King]

Online photos. 
Sit down son, let me tell you something about the internet.

Sigh. I quoted you with articles about the possibility of black people having blue eyes. Believe what you will .

[mikeymoonshine]

Sorry, can't see the eyes through the amount of weaves they are wearing.

 

Oh, ok. Those are mixed.

 

It good to understand that race is very much a cultural thing, from an evolutionary perspective it does not exist someone's skin colour, eye colour or features are really not at all significant, they are just minor variations. It is important because of the value we put on it and because many people link their race with their ancestry and cultural heritage and so they view it as important. 

 

The genes that create dark skin, dark hair and dark eyes are generally the most dominant but not always. This is why mixed race people usually (but not always) look more black than white, this is why people are more likely to inherit darker hair and eyes over lighter. It does not always happen that way though, sometimes they do inherit the other genes. 

 

other things can affect eye colour.

 

The darker someone's skin is the more likely they will have dark eyes because they are more dominant and there will be allot more of that in their genetic history but sometimes random things can happen genetically. It could be from some ancestor ages ago or it could just be a random mutation that causes it, or some other reason. Peoples eye colour can even change after they are born. It happens allot with babies and other things can cause it to happen. 

 

So as I said I prefer Viv's brown eyes but blue eyes are not impossible. Also you should't say a mixed person is not black because black is a cultural identity and not actually a separate race, these people are as black as any other black person. 

[Sylvianus]

 

She really has a beautiful face on this pic. Look at how she looks lost. It isn't certainly the effect that Bioware want to give, but she is really " cute "there. She needs love and to be loved, for sure ! I can't wait for more screenshots. 

[mikeymoonshine]

 

As for her stance, this is where things really get interesting for me. Is Vivienne pro-Circle, against the mage-templar war and presumably against the Orlesian Civil War because she wants and craves the power she wields ? Is her stance derivative or her inability to change or to let go of her position of power and not because she cares for mages? If you look at the information we have so far on her, it is very clear that she is very fond of her position as a mage courtier in the Orlesian court. She also evidently self declared and continues to declare herself as a First Enchanter despite the fact that the Circles of Magi is effectively dissolved with the annulment of the Nevarran Accord, which means the position of First Enchanter has next to no meaning. 

 

Then there is the trailer which mentions that "she is ambitious and incredibly powerful but what is her true agenda ?" Couple that with her title with translates as Iron Lady. People who have the moniker of Iron Man or Iron Lady, who are ambitious tend to have no issues throwing people under the proverbial bus to get what they want. I mean, is her true agenda to help mages or to solidify her power in Orlais, in the Grand Game or to be in control over the mages themselves ? Do we as Inquisitors have to treat her as someone who plays the Grand Game amongst the people in Inquisition ? 

 

 

 

This is the question tbh. Bioware is being deliberately vague with her intent. Viv apparently joins the Inquisition to help her fellow mages and to restore order but these may not be her true reasons. As you said she is a First Enchanter but at present that title is not technically real, I speculated that she gets it when a first enchanter dies (probably at the summit). If the Inquisition did restore the circles and managed to stay on the right side of the chantry and the Empress Vivienne would benefit from that. She would be a First Enchanter who helped stop the mage/Templar war and save Thedas from Demons. She could probably rise to the position of Grand Enchanter with a reputation like that. A Grand Enchanter with ties to the Empress would be an incredibly powerful position to hold it also involves advising the Devine. 

 

So maybe she is doing it for her own ends or maybe she truly wants to help. It could also be both and I guess we will find out in the game. 

 

 

 

This also raises the question of how far is she willing to go to get what she wants ? Will she pull a Merrill and consort with demons and somehow justifying it ? Or will she do something else ? 

 

Well she apparently wants Cole banished. I don't know what she is capable of when pushed but I doubt she would be working with demons or spirit's at all. I think it's something she will be against.