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[Iadro]

Vivienne the cat lady! I love it!

 

Vivienne: "What is a 'cat lady,' dear?"

 

Inquisitor: "Someone who will ALWAYS be with her pets, even after passing on. Trust me. I've seen it happen, during the lean years at Ostwick."

[MrGDL87]

Thread reVIVal

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Just had a Vivienne/Varric banter about Varric wanting to write a book starring Vivienne as the Villain. And Vivienne approves . I also like the fact that Vivienne and Morrigan don't get along (e.g. the cockroach comment) 

 

Vivienne will be a permanent companion on all my future replays. Some would consider her a villain on the BSN and Vivienne loves it  

[raging_monkey]

Thread reVIVal

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Just had a Vivienne/Varric banter about Varric wanting to write a book starring Vivienne as the Villain. And Vivienne approves . I also like the fact that Vivienne and Morrigan don't get along (e.g. the cockroach comment) 

 
Vivienne will be a permanent companion on all my future replays. Some would consider her a villain on the BSN and Vivienne loves it

people just cant stand that she doesnt bend to their will... and shes fabulous XD

[Xilizhra]

Do any of you know Vivienne well enough to feel comfortable with co-writing party banter with an OC of mine? It's for a different Tevinter character that I thought would provide an interestingly different perspective on the events of Inquisition.

[VelvetStraitjacket]

Viv is not quite what I expected. I was expecting her to be bitchy, and oh boy did she deliver and I love that about her. But the Chantry/Anti-Mage stuff is very off-putting. My relationship with her vacillates between wanting to have a cig and a glass of wine with her while discussing beauty routines and fashion, and wanting to hit her with something. However, I do love her and I always have her in my posse. The ****** is a beast on the battlefield too, and a must-have on Nightmare.

[raging_monkey]

Do any of you know Vivienne well enough to feel comfortable with co-writing party banter with an OC of mine? It's for a different Tevinter character that I thought would provide an interestingly different perspective on the events of Inquisition.

your writing fanfiction.... PLEASE SHARE

[Xilizhra]

your writing fanfiction.... PLEASE SHARE

When it's done, but I don't trust myself to write Vivienne at all, for reasons you can likely guess. Hence an interest in someone more invested in her who could write her lines in the banter scripts.

[Eldrid]

I love how classy, witty and so confident as a woman Vivienne is. But boy, she really can annoy you sometimes especially the "yes dear" " yes darling". It sometimes felt like she's mocking me lol.  But over all she was beautifully written and to be honest a breath of fresh air among the stereotype heroines that we usually get.

 

I know she can be sometimes compared with Morrigan because of their catty and bitchy attitudes.  I find Morrigan more of a child who grew skeptical to world and sometimes act like it. She acts based on what she thinks right and ignores other people's opinion in general. She mainly relies on her powers to do what she wants.   Unlike Viviene who is more manipulative, and can openly do so w/o batting an eyelash. She uses her charm first then her magic second. She speaks with wisdom yet can spin her words to get what she wants. I find Morrigan's attitude more tolerable than Vivienne. But I appreciate how Vivienne handles herself even knowing she is not really well liked. Such a classy woman.

[Xilizhra]

I love how classy, witty and so confident as a woman Vivienne is. But boy, she really can annoy you sometimes especially the "yes dear" " yes darling". It sometimes felt like she's mocking me lol.  But over all she was beautifully written and to be honest a breath of fresh air among the stereotype heroines that we usually get.

 

I know she can be sometimes compared with Morrigan because of their catty and bitchy attitudes.  I find Morrigan more of a child who grew skeptical to world and sometimes act like it. She acts based on what she thinks right and ignores other people's opinion in general. She mainly relies on her powers to do what she wants.   Unlike Viviene who is more manipulative, and can openly do so w/o batting an eyelash. She uses her charm first then her magic second. She speaks with wisdom yet can spin her words to get what she wants. I find Morrigan's attitude more tolerable than Vivienne. But I appreciate how Vivienne handles herself even knowing she is not really well liked. Such a classy woman.

If I may ask, how classy is someone who throws out your furniture because she doesn't like your politics?

[raging_monkey]

If I may ask, how classy is someone who throws out your furniture because she doesn't like your politics?

you gotta meet my ex thats a polite gesture in comparison

When it's done, but I don't trust myself to write Vivienne at all, for reasons you can likely guess. Hence an interest in someone more invested in her who could write her lines in the banter scripts.

i look forward to reading it and to help if i can

[MrGDL87]

If I may ask, how classy is someone who throws out your furniture because she doesn't like your politics?

 

If she really does this then I like even more .

 

It may not be 'classy' but sacrifices must be made in the name of fashion!!!
 

[MrGDL87]

If I may ask, how classy is someone who throws out your furniture because she doesn't like your politics?

 

You've inspired me to do a bit of banter:

 

Vivienne: Inquisitor Darling, could you please remove that unclean, barbaric, unsafe piece of furniture. I don't know what you were thinking my dear, there are better options.

 

Inquisitor: That's Morrigan

 

Vivienne: I know!!!!

 

 (Maybe I should stick to puns)

[Alejandrawrr]

My first Inquisitor was a ruthless Trevelyan female mage (I molded her personality around The Bride from KB) who generally supported a reformed circle, and she got along with and had very high approval from Vivienne. Very different from my kinda... low maintenance, generally pro-freedom Lavellan mage male, who just got a chain of like, 3 or 4 "Vivienne GREATLY Disapproves!" in a row. I lol'd first time I saw how Vivienne greets an inquisitor at Skyhold that she doesn't like (something to the effect of "Off to another crisis? It's beginning to show..."), what a shady ******   

I also love how she and Morrigan don't get along (they had like, 3 back-and-forths in that one mission alone). Makes me sad Queen Morrigan wasn't a full companion (with an improved Shapeshifter spec), I would have loved a game full of their interactions, even if it forced me to have a 4 mage party (because who can resist Dorian  )

[raging_monkey]

You've inspired me to do a bit of banter:
 
Vivienne: Inquisitor Darling, could you please remove that unclean, barbaric, unsafe piece of furniture. I don't know what you were thinking my dear, there are better options.
 
Inquisitor: That's Morrigan
 
Vivienne: I know!!!!
 
 (Maybe I should stick to puns)

its a start haha (genuinly amused)

[ttestagr]

I was talking on another site about Vivienne and her personal quest, and what happens if you sabotage it.  After doing it, I had the theory that she was playing you to murder her lover to get closer to the relations in her bid to become Divine.  Got that after your talk with them and how she mentions she's had this planned from the beginning.

 

So the person I was talking to mentioned a comment if you sabotage her:  She said that I saw through her plan when I intentionally botched her formula, and said she had believed I was easily deceived. I don't know what she was planning to do, but keeping that man alive wasn't part of it.

 

I don't have a save around that time to check, so I was hoping for confirmation on that bit of dialogue.  214 pages of thread is a bit much to read through to see if it was brought up as well.

[VelvetStraitjacket]

I just sabotaged her cure out of curiosity, and the scene where she gives it to him is the same with the exception that she says "It should be working by now" while seeming surprised, and then he still dies.

However, when I went to talk to her after, she called me cunning, said I realized what she was doing and that she had underestimated me. Also, I got only a slight disapproval from her for my action lol.

Then when I talked to her again and asked about the duke, it played out exactly like when you give her the real heart - she seemed genuinely sad. If the sadness was just an act to trick you, why would she keep it up after you sabotage the cure and she says you saw her real intention?

 

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Oh, and her card changed to this:

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[Akkos]

I just sabotaged her cure out of curiosity, and the scene where she gives it to him is the same with the exception that she says "It should be working by now" while seeming surprised, and then he still dies.

However, when I went to talk to her after, she called me cunning, said I realized what she was doing and that she had underestimated me. Also, I got only a slight disapproval from her for my action lol.

Then when I talked to her again and asked about the duke, it played out exactly like when you give her the real heart - she seemed genuinely sad. If the sadness was just an act to trick you, why would she keep it up after you sabotage the cure and she says you saw her real intention?

 

EDIT:

Oh, and her card changed to this:

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Oh wow...... That card looks so evil wow...   Must it be the better option then? or she was just trying to make us look like we killed her duke.

[VelvetStraitjacket]

Oh wow...... That card looks so evil wow...   Must it be the better option then? or she was just trying to make us look like we killed her duke.

 

Yeah, it does...is it weird that I like it more than the other one with the emaciated old man in her arms? lol

Hm, I'm really not certain. In the other option it is implied that she has used you. In this version it's more like the Inquisitor knew what she was going to do (she said so herself) and messed up her plan, but neither her nor the Inquisitor say what plan it was exactly. However, she never implied that we killed her duke...at least not yet.

I think her plan might be left to interpretation - from that scene after the duke's death bed, it does sound like she intended to kill him, or had some other sinister intention. But then why would she still be sad (act or not) when you ask about the duke. It's odd. 

Maybe the next scene I'll have with her (the one with the duke's relatives) will shed some light on the situation. 

[daveliam]

Yeah, it does...is it weird that I like it more than the other one with the emaciated old man in her arms? lol

Hm, I'm really not certain. In the other option it is implied that she has used you. In this version it's more like the Inquisitor knew what she was going to do (she said so herself) and messed up her plan, but neither her nor the Inquisitor say what plan it was exactly. However, she never implied that we killed her duke...at least not yet.

I think her plan might be left to interpretation - from that scene after the duke's death bed, it does sound like she intended to kill him, or had some other sinister intention. But then why would she still be sad (act or not) when you ask about the duke. It's odd. 

Maybe the next scene I'll have with her (the one with the duke's relatives) will shed some light on the situation. 

 

I feel like none of this happened in my first playthrough.  I was friendly with her already.  She asked me to get her the heart.  I got her the correct one and gave it to her without prying into her plans.  Then she took me to see the Duke.  He died in her arms and she was completely sad the entire time.  Afterwards, she never insinuated that she was using me towards any nefarious ends and was emotionally open in her discussions about how much she missed the Duke.  I never got any disapproval from her; she never gave the impression she was using me; and she was consistent in her grief. 

 

Was I not paying attention to something?  I read the diary entry about her testing it out on herself first.  I read that as her trying to protect him since he was in bad health already.  Did I miss something else?

[VelvetStraitjacket]

If I remember correctly, in my first playthrough when I gave her the correct heart, the duke still died and she was sad and did say she missed him (as she said in the sabotaged version, after calling me cunning and saying I saw her true intentions) but then in the scene where the Duke's two relatives visit Skyhold, she said something along the lines that things worked out for her and she couldn't have done it without my help, implying that she did use the Inquisitor. Even the dialogue had a choice to call her out on it.

[hong]

Vivienne is not a sentimental woman. She does love the old Duke, but she's also smart and pragmatic enough to turn his demise to her own advantage. Those events couldn't have come about without your help (even if they weren't what she was originally hoping for), hence her thanking you.

I read the diary entry and found it hilarious, given the quest name ("Find me the heart of Snow White").

[Reznore57]

If I remember correctly, in my first playthrough when I gave her the correct heart, the duke still died and she was sad and did say she missed him (as she said in the sabotaged version, after calling me cunning and saying I saw her true intentions) but then in the scene where the Duke's two relatives visit Skyhold, she said something along the lines that things worked out for her and she couldn't have done it without my help, implying that she did use the Inquisitor. Even the dialogue had a choice to call her out on it.

 

I wonder if there's some content missing about Vivienne , I really do.

I think in a banter Cole can call her out , and says she had nefarious intention towards the Inquisitor and was planning to trick him/her.

 

I know she's trying to manipulate you during the Divine talk , and I feel like she mostly join the Inquisition because she knows the Inquisitor is going to be more important than the Empress , and if she manage to have things her way well...Viv has her ass on the sunburst Throne.

[MrGDL87]

I'm going to give you my interpretation of where Vivienne is coming from (this is my personal opinion but I feel like I share a lot of common ground with her such as Circles restored, Chantry restored, Templars restored and likes playing the Orlesian Game).

 

When you first meet Vivienne, the whole setting is part of The Orlesian Game because it is set at a party, everyone wearing masks and it shows how respected Vivienne is in the Game itself. Vivienne uses the party to show how important she is/can be to the inquisition (e.g. the actual physical effects as she uses magic but also her influence of creating a gathering which she is in control). I don't believe that Vivienne is truly altruistic when joining but you have just recruited a party member while playing the Game so you should expect the unexpected. All of the other party members have an ulterior motive of being in the inquisition to some extent. At this point I believe that Vivienne wants to restore order by restoring the Circle and therefore cementing her influence in the Circle and the Orleisan Court. As I am pro-chantry and pro-circle, it was clearly seen that she wants to go back to the status quo. I don't think there is any scheming involved as she says what she feels.

 

When she meets The Duke, this is another event in the Game and I believe that she went to the event with the intent of elevating her status (just a hypothesis). When she sees The Duke, Vivienne said that it was love at first sight and I believe her. I believe she was in love with the idea the power could bring and not the man himself. When Vivienne and The Duke are in a relationship, I think it was a bad relationship at the start. But as time went on, I feel Vivienne's feelings changed. I don't think it was love per se but a protectiveness over The Duke. Vivienne was protecting her reputation in the Game.

 

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In regards to Vivienne's personal quest, I gave her the real heart so I can only comment on this perspective. I have a high approval with Vivienne so I see no reason for her to lie about her circumstances. I didn't pry into too much detail and I went to get the heart. When I went back to Vivienne, she asked to go with her to The Duke and he died. Vivienne's reaction is sadness and this may be due to The Duke's death. However, I suspect it reflects more on herself because The Duke part of her life is over. Vivienne didn't mention any other motive and I don't see why she would lie to a Highly Approved Inquisitor. When The Duke's relatives arrive, Vivienne gives the inquisitor a ring which shows a warmer side to her. I didn't get any negative impressions from her during this whole quest.

 

Spoiler

When speaking to Vivienne about becoming Divine, I don't feel that she is trying to manipulate you in choosing her. In fact, my inquisitor suggested her before she even put her hat in the ring. Even at this point, I don't think Vivienne has a secret ambition of becoming Divine. Vivienne accepts the inquisitor's recommendation because there is no suitable alternative. The only secret ambition of Vivienne is that she joined the inquisition to restore what was lost.

 

This is a lot of speculation on my part and Vivienne's enjoyment of the Game makes anything possible. But at the moment I feel happy with Vivienne as a trusting companion. I also have a lot of personal bias to her as a character

[hong]

When the subject of the Divine came up, the only person mentioned was Cassandra. Viv was insistent that Cass was a good choice, and even disapproved when I suggested Leliana.

Ironically, when I finished the storyline, the new Divine ended up being... Viv. Well played, Madame De Fer, well played.

[Akkos]

I wonder if there's some content missing about Vivienne , I really do.

I think in a banter Cole can call her out , and says she had nefarious intention towards the Inquisitor and was planning to trick him/her.

 

I know she's trying to manipulate you during the Divine talk , and I feel like she mostly join the Inquisition because she knows the Inquisitor is going to be more important than the Empress , and if she manage to have things her way well...Viv has her ass on the sunburst Throne.

 

And Morrigan said Vivienne only reason to join the Inquisition  was because of "Altruism".... wish I consider still a good thing at least for the Inquisitor I guess.