Interesting. The only things I did differently than you were were keep the Wardens around and put Gaspard on the throne. I did all her quests along with the War Table Operation.
Please can you make screenshots of all her armor variations? I am extracting her armor.
I genuinely don't understand some of the posts about Vivienne plotting/poisoning The Duke. It's as though I am playing in a parallel universe. I didn't get any nefarious undertones when completing her quest. I don't see the benefit of Vivienne lying to a high approved inquisitor. The only explanation I can think of is that sabotaging the cure takes you down a different route altogether.
Maybe I am just naïve
as far as I am concerned it was a fetch quest which I delivered. It's up to Vivienne how much information to disclose about a private matter. I still treat Vivienne as a trusting companion.
if you have a low approval with her, it is very heavily implied after the dukes relatives leave that she poisoned him, she also mocks you by telling you that you carried yourself well infront of his relatives in spite of yourself, then she gleefully tells you that she used you and that you played your part well. She will tell you that now that the duke is gone, she has solidified a positive impression to the council of heralds and the chantry, of the inquisition because of your part in "helping" the duke, thus giving herself importance and weight by being included in it, and even more òf herself by taking care of the funeral and being the "good samaritan" after his death. She then goes on to say that she now has strong connections to the council of heralds (the dukes son is a member of the council) and highest levels of the chantry. She will also tell you that she is willing to do whatever it takes to get ahead in the game.
My first human mage got along very well with her and she seemed warmer and a bit less scheming, even though i always knew she had an agenda, but my canon elven mage is anti-chantry, and relatively pro-mage freedom. We didnt get along very well at all, the only thing we agreed on is that magic can be dangerous and needs to be supervised to some extent. Anyway i decided to do her quest because i wanted to do every inner circle quest, but once i got that scene with the relatives, i regretted helping the cow so much that i reloaded a save 6 hours earlier. I brought her a common wyvern heart (just to get the cutscene with her out of the way and tell her to go f herself) and then told her i wouldnt give it to her unless she told me what she intended to do with it, which she refused and ended up telling me she would find some other way to get it. Im happy to see that the quest is no longer available.
I dont care that she killed some pompous noble, but i do care that she ended up getting ahead in the "game" and that she used me to do it. Heh basically the only way you ever find out Viviennes true intentions is if she dislikes you. I think the sadness she feels when poisoning him is because she genuinely had feelings for him, but in the end, garnering power has always been the most important thing to her. To some extent she also probably justified to herself that he was going to die anyway, so she might as well hasten the process. Im thinking that the snowy wyvern heart might give him a chance to speak and make the death less painful, and maybe thats why she wanted you to get that instead of a common heart. isnt it convenient how he dies moments after drinking her potion...?
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if you have a low approval with her, it is very heavily implied after the dukes relatives leave that she poisoned him, she also mocks you by telling you that you carried yourself well infront of his relatives in spite of yourself, then she gleefully tells you that she used you and that you played your part well. She will tell you that now that the duke is gone, she has solified a positive impression to the council of heralds and the chantry, of the inquisition because of your part in "helping" the duke, thus giving herself importance and weight by being included in it, and even more òf herself by taking care of the funeral and being the "good samaritan" after his death. She then goes on to say that she now has strong connections to the council of heralds (the dukes son is a member of the council) and highest level of chantry. She will also tell you that she is willing to do whatever it takes to get ahead in the game.
My first human mage got along very well with her and she seemed warmer and a bit less scheming, even though i always knew she had an agenda, but my canon elven mage is anti-chantry, and relatively pro-mage freedom. We didnt get along very much at all, the only thing we agreed on is that magic can be dangerous and needs to be supervised to some extent. Anyway i decided to do her quest because i wanted to do every inner circle quest, but once i got that scene with the relatives, i regreted helping the cow so much that i reloaded a save 6 hours earlier. I brought her a common wyvern heart (just to get the cutscene with her out of the way and tell her to go f herself) and then told her i wouldnt give it to her unless she told me what she intended to do with it, which she refused and ended up telling me she would find some other way to get it. Im happy to see that the quest is no longer available.
I dont care that she killed some pompous noble, but i do care that she ended up getting ahead in the "game" and that she used me to do it. Heh basically the only way you ever find out Viviennes true intentions is if she dislikes you. I think the sadness she feels when poisoning him is because she genuinely had feelings for him, but in the end, garnering power has always been the most important thing to her. To some extent she also probably justified to herself that he was going to die anyway, so she might as well hasten the process. Im thinking that the snowy wyvern heart might give him a chance to speak and make the death less painful, and maybe thats why she wanted you to get that instead of a common heart. isnt it convenient how he dies moments after drinking her potion...?
Video or it didn't happen. I can't play 'FREEDOM FOR ALL MAGES WILLIAM WALLACE!!' in this game like I could the last two (which is a testament to it's writing or lack thereof in the particular case of Leliana's ending). So this is something I'll likely never see.
Video or it didn't happen. I can't play 'FREEDOM FOR ALL MAGES WILLIAM WALLACE!!' in this game like I could the last two (which is a testament to it's writing or lack thereof in the particular case of Leliana's ending). So this is something I'll likely never see.
you dont have to play freedom for all mages all the time, there are other ways to gain a lot of disapproval with her. For example conscripting the templars instead of making them allies will give you disapproval, you dont have to be pro-mage or free the mages during that quest, just disagree with her and make her dislike you, you can do this just through conversations with her
you can also make the templars allies, but it was just an example of a way to gain disapproval with her during that portion of the story 
Would anyone happen to have a video of the low approval and high approval post Bastien's death scenes? Not to sound skeptical, but I'd love to see how different they are with my own eyes.
if you have a low approval with her, it is very heavily implied after the dukes relatives leave that she poisoned him, she also mocks you by telling you that you carried yourself well infront of his relatives in spite of yourself, then she gleefully tells you that she used you and that you played your part well. She will tell you that now that the duke is gone, she has solidified a positive impression to the council of heralds and the chantry, of the inquisition because of your part in "helping" the duke, thus giving herself importance and weight by being included in it, and even more òf herself by taking care of the funeral and being the "good samaritan" after his death. She then goes on to say that she now has strong connections to the council of heralds (the dukes son is a member of the council) and highest levels of the chantry. She will also tell you that she is willing to do whatever it takes to get ahead in the game.
My first human mage got along very well with her and she seemed warmer and a bit less scheming, even though i always knew she had an agenda, but my canon elven mage is anti-chantry, and relatively pro-mage freedom. We didnt get along very well at all, the only thing we agreed on is that magic can be dangerous and needs to be supervised to some extent. Anyway i decided to do her quest because i wanted to do every inner circle quest, but once i got that scene with the relatives, i regretted helping the cow so much that i reloaded a save 6 hours earlier. I brought her a common wyvern heart (just to get the cutscene with her out of the way and tell her to go f herself) and then told her i wouldnt give it to her unless she told me what she intended to do with it, which she refused and ended up telling me she would find some other way to get it. Im happy to see that the quest is no longer available.
I dont care that she killed some pompous noble, but i do care that she ended up getting ahead in the "game" and that she used me to do it. Heh basically the only way you ever find out Viviennes true intentions is if she dislikes you. I think the sadness she feels when poisoning him is because she genuinely had feelings for him, but in the end, garnering power has always been the most important thing to her. To some extent she also probably justified to herself that he was going to die anyway, so she might as well hasten the process. Im thinking that the snowy wyvern heart might give him a chance to speak and make the death less painful, and maybe thats why she wanted you to get that instead of a common heart. isnt it convenient how he dies moments after drinking her potion...?
It's as though Vivienne is a different person altogether when the inquisitor dislikes her.
I'm still not convinced about the poisoning theory because there would be easier options to kill the Duke other than getting ingredients for a potion. It doesn't surprise me that Vivienne needs to manipulate an inquisitor who she distrusts but not someone who is a supporter of her ideals.
If anyone can post this scene about 'playing' the inquisitor, it would be appreciated because I will probably never see this (I just can't play an inquisitor who hates Vivienne)
Very sorry coming in and derailing from the current conversation at hand just wanted to say a little something about Vivienne, I am actually quite surprised at how my opinion of her greatly rose after one conversation I had with her during my current run about Mages being dangerous now she could just be saying it and not really mean it but her not acting like shes above all other mages cause reasons and she as at the same risks they are really got some respect for me. Though I do have the damnedest time staying on her good side its like she bugs out and doesn't like me much anyway despite usually siding with the templars and what not. That's all I wished to say, sorry to have interrupted.
Video or it didn't happen. I can't play 'FREEDOM FOR ALL MAGES WILLIAM WALLACE!!' in this game like I could the last two (which is a testament to it's writing or lack thereof in the particular case of Leliana's ending). So this is something I'll likely never see.
What do you guys think happens to Vivi if Leliana becomes Divine? I have my theory of what I want to happen but I rather not say for specific reasona.
Probably goes back to being Imperial Court Mage or something. Now with added credentials of helping stop the Breach & stuff (+ possibly having knowledge of ancient elven magic unknown to circles and such).
What do you guys think happens to Vivi if Leliana becomes Divine? I have my theory of what I want to happen but I rather not say for specific reasona.
Just a thought, is there a collective name for Vivienne supporters yet (I know the Anti-Vivienne camp would probably have a field day with this 
). I can think of Vivi-Nation or Vivi-Section but I find these to be uninspired.
So did anyone else take Viv to blackwalls personal quest and get surprised by her reaction? She seems so pro-avenging people whenever I find corpses but her facial expression was so sad when that public hanging was happening. "I thought we were more civilized than this" indeed.
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I still laugh about giving her the ordinary Wyvern heart. More so because it was an accident... wasn't paying enough attention. 
I have come up with a poetical verse (as an excuse to revive the thread). So here goes:
There once was lady called Vivienne,
who was advisor to Empress Celene,
A mistress to the Duke,
armed with anti-circle rebuke,
That ends in divinehood, Amen.
To be honest, I don't know if this is good or bad as a first attempt
I would gladly make Leliana Divine if it werent for her freeing the mages and then uniting everyone peacefully without any resistence. It just feels too unreal and too easy.
I would gladly make Leliana Divine if it weren't for her freeing the mages and uniting everyone through the murder of dissidents and rivals. She be crazy.
(More seriously- if it helps you, remember the key word in that epilogue slide- 'for the moment.' Later, no doubt, reality ensues.)
I would gladly make Leliana Divine if it weren't for her freeing the mages and uniting everyone through the murder of dissidents and rivals. She be crazy.
(More seriously- if it helps you, remember the key word in that epilogue slide- 'for the moment.' Later, no doubt, reality ensues.)
Question: does Vivi become the new grand enchanter if the circles are re-established under cass, assuming you go templar and kill fiona? Because honestly that is what I thought would happen but my epilogue didn't really mention what happens to the circles as I sided with the templars.
Ah, I was wondering whether she killed the duke. My elf knew exactly where he stood with Viv it would seem. I wish we could outright ask her though. Anyway I think her affection for the duke was real but he was dying and she saw a way to profit from it and she wasn't going to let that slip away. I really like Vivienne, I don't trust her at all but she's raw, ruthless personal ambition and there's something... impressive about that. And sexy. Playing the Game with/against her would thrilling.
Vivienne VS Littlefinger and go!
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This actually explains what is going on. If she just wanted to poison him she could have used simpler means instead of having a squad mate look for a particularly rare, traceable item. She also wouldn't have wanted any witnesses.
I also think that had the cure work, her lover waking up see the quizzie there would also be part of Vivi's machinations in 'the game'. Since it didn't, plan b.
I am in love with how many Disney Villain references Vivienne has in the story line.
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Just a thought, is there a collective name for Vivienne supporters yet (I know the Anti-Vivienne camp would probably have a field day with this
The "darlings" or "dears"?
And I quite liked that poetical verse ^^.
The "darlings" or "dears"?
And I quite liked that poetical verse ^^.
My Darling Vivs,
Vivi's dears,
Viv'vers,
Vivienners....
MaliViviennes
Also since there are Anti-Vivs, not aware of that..
Pro-Vivs works too..
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So, after Bastien's death, who else here had no words to say? 
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I think it might also depend on you characters general attitude towards the Chantry, mages, etc. which you can express at different times during the game.
I know Vivienne has a conversation or two along those lines.
I expressed pro-Circle sympathies when conversing with her.
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